Thread: Fiddler's Green Experimentation Log

I thought it might be a good idea to put together a log where I detail my use of supplements and experiences. The supplements in the beginning that I will be using can be found in the Advanced Lucid Dreams book which many of you are familiar with. I plan to experiment with all of the supplements laid out in the book, except for L-Dopa, which seems to be the most dangerous from my perspective.

I have only been able to achieve lucidity through the use of WILD techniques and I have never used supplements for the purpose of dream manipulation before.

First Log:

The substances I used were 4mg of nicotine gum, a b-complex vitamin (which included 50 mg of choline, 110 mg b6, and various other b vitamins), and 1,500mg of L-Tryptophan.

I began the night by taking 1,500mg of L-Tryptophan for the purposes of causing REM-rebound. In the future I will be taking 5-HTP instead of the tryptophan (I'm just waiting for it to come in the mail).

I woke up after six hours of sleep and took the b-complex and began chewing the nicotine gum. I chose the gum since it absorbs faster than the patch.

I used the LudicdRemix track and my normal meditation afterwards. After falling asleep an hour after waking I did not have an LD, but I did have an extremely vivid journey/quest style dream. My dream recall was better than usual as well.

I think I failed to attain lucidity due to how groggy the L-Tryptophan made me feel, which made concentration more difficult.

Most of my logs will be done on the weekends, since that is when I can spend the most time sleeping. Please feel free to comment and leave any suggestions for supplements you would like to see me test out.

-Fiddler's Green

September 28th, 2008

Before bedtime I took 200mg of B-6, I wasn't sure if this was the right time to take it or not, but it did produce a very vivid dream at around 5:00 in the morning.

I awoke at 5:30 and proceeded to chew a piece of 4mg nicotine gum for half an hour. I had some trouble falling back to sleep, this is probably due to the nicotine increasing my heart rate.

I had two dreams after falling back to sleep, both nightmares and I almost never have nightmares. I was not able to wake up within the dream and become lucid though. The nightmares were extremely vivid and the nicotine seemed to increase my recall.

I will be trying out galantamine w/choline on Tuesday hopefully. After I attempt using it alone, I may try combining it with nicotine.

1,500 mg of L-Tryptophan? Isn't that a little bit much? You may want to ease up on it since if the L-Tryptophan isn't pure then your liver will have to filter all the impure stuff that came with it and thus it may damage your liver. Take it easy. Lucid dream is not worth getting liver damage for it.

That's good advice. I don't plan on taking the tryptophan anymore, the dosage per capsule that I have is 500mg. I plan on using 5-htp, if at all.

September 30, 2008


I took nothing the night before and woke up at 7:00. I cooked my wife breakfast and took 8mg of galantamine, 450mg of choline, and a b complex vitamin. I went back to bed at 9:00.

I had two WILDs successfully, which I was quite shocked by. When I have had WILDs without the supplements it was much harder, although this still required a decent amount of concentration. Also, I was a little surprised that the descriptions of feeling like your entire body was vibrating were quite accurate.

Unfortunately, on the first WILD I woke myself up since I heard a noise in my apartment and on the second WILD I had a false awakening and thought I was walking around my house for a while until I woke up.

I experienced no side effects.

Originally Posted by Fiddler's Green

September 30, 2008


I took nothing the night before and woke up at 7:00. I cooked my wife breakfast and took 8mg of galantamine, 450mg of choline, and a b complex vitamin. I went back to bed at 9:00.

I had two WILDs successfully, which I was quite shocked by. When I have had WILDs without the supplements it was much harder, although this still required a decent amount of concentration. Also, I was a little surprised that the descriptions of feeling like your entire body was vibrating were quite accurate.

Unfortunately, on the first WILD I woke myself up since I heard a noise in my apartment and on the second WILD I had a false awakening and thought I was walking around my house for a while until I woke up.

I experienced no side effects.

I have a question for you...how do you have this sleep paralysis?? what vitiaman do you take for it..I have lucid dreaming before but it mostly a nighmare because I have 4 mg galantamine and 200mg Choline it was made from the company call Advanced lucid Nutrition...I order the bottle for it and I have nightmares with it 3 or 4 different dream and can't wake up from it...


my goal is this Sleep Paraylsis...so what do you take for that..write back

Originally Posted by Warrior381

I have a question for you...how do you have this sleep paralysis?? what vitiaman do you take for it..I have lucid dreaming before but it mostly a nighmare because I have 4 mg galantamine and 200mg Choline it was made from the company call Advanced lucid Nutrition...I order the bottle for it and I have nightmares with it 3 or 4 different dream and can't wake up from it...


my goal is this Sleep Paraylsis...so what do you take for that..write back

I didn't notice any sleep paralysis this time, although on other occasions without supplements I have noticed it. Sleep paralysis is when you cannot move your body, but your mind is awake and is aware that it cannot move your body at that moment.

I don't think what you had last time was a full lucid dream since you described it as just a nightmare, if you were lucid you should have been able to change the dream somewhat.

Sleep paralysis really isn't the goal when taking supplements, in fact sleep paralysis is not what I would consider to be a pleasurable experience. It's sometimes quite uncomfortable. The goal is to become aware within the dream (lucid) so that one can direct it or at least be an active participant.

I suspect your nightmares had more to do with your state of mind at the time, rather than the galantamine. Perhaps you should try a higher dosage, such as 8mg?