Thread: Calea Zacatechichi (and some questions on salvia)

Originally Posted by little android man

Hey guys i just bought an ounce of calea foilage. Made tea with it, tasted rancid and did absolutely nothing for me. I'm gunna try smoking it tonight before i sleep. any suggestions on a good amount to smoke to get the effect? (i know it's the foilage and not the concentrate so it won't be as strong)

And also, i'm interested in trying the salvia, but would the plain dried leaf have much of an effect or is it not worth it?

the calea will taste just as bad when ya smoke it unfortunately
for me calea was worthless, imo there are many better dream aids.

when I use salvia to help lding I take some big hits of regular leaf before bed, just enough to feel weird and have some visual distortions.

if you wanna know about using salvia to break directly into an ld type experience, here is a recent thread discussing this: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=55692

I actually don't recommend attempting it though.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

the calea will taste just as bad when ya smoke it unfortunately
for me calea was worthless, imo there are many better dream aids.

when I use salvia to help lding I take some big hits of regular leaf before bed, just enough to feel weird and have some visual distortions.

if you wanna know about using salvia to break directly into an ld type experience, here is a recent thread discussing this: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=55692

I actually don't recommend attempting it though.

Totally agree.
All you may ever get is your bodies reaction to the bitter taste.
Same as drinking a glass of grapefruit juice before bed.

I've had some decent experiences with Calea. I think it's something that you have to be really committed to because obviously it's not the greatest tasting substance in the world. However, smoking it is a lot more manageable in than the tea.

Here's what's worked for me:

WBTB method. About five hours of sleep at least. I smoke a pre-rolled joint of the Calea and then take two B6 tablets. I'm not sure if you have to take them together, but that's what I usually do. Then I use whatever method to go back to sleep. Usually, it's just a MILD, but if you're more comfortable with WILDs, try that too.

Hope that helps!

Originally Posted by kaeraz

I've had some decent experiences with Calea. I think it's something that you have to be really committed to because obviously it's not the greatest tasting substance in the world. However, smoking it is a lot more manageable in than the tea.

Here's what's worked for me:

WBTB method. About five hours of sleep at least. I smoke a pre-rolled joint of the Calea and then take two B6 tablets. I'm not sure if you have to take them together, but that's what I usually do. Then I use whatever method to go back to sleep. Usually, it's just a MILD, but if you're more comfortable with WILDs, try that too.

Hope that helps!

Wow. I don't smoke but get up after 5 hours (like 4am or 5am) and smoke a Calea joint? Then try to go back to sleep?
You are one in a million. Hard for me to even think of doing that.

Thanks for the help guys. I smoked some calea before going to bed and had a pretty trippy dream.. but then i tried again the last 2 nights and it failed me. but when i smoke it during the day it does mellow me out a lot and relax me so it's good for that too.

Originally Posted by lucid4sho

when I use salvia to help lding I take some big hits of regular leaf before bed, just enough to feel weird and have some visual distortions.

So is the plain leaf worth it or no?

and if i smoked enough of it, would i get the same effect as like a 5x?

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Wow. I don't smoke but get up after 5 hours (like 4am or 5am) and smoke a Calea joint? Then try to go back to sleep?
You are one in a million. Hard for me to even think of doing that.

Really? LOL. I really don't think smoking it is that bad. Probably because I smoke other stuff, too...

Lungs of steel!

Originally Posted by kaeraz

Really? LOL. I really don't think smoking it is that bad. Probably because I smoke other stuff, too...

Lungs of steel!

No problem, I have smoked before and smoked some strong hash and cigars.
I was talking about the bitterness that early in the morning.

bump for an answer to my question.

I don't know about the foliage, but I've purchased Calea extract from shamanic-extracts.com. I find the smoke to be somewhat flavorful but i tend to throw just a pinch of rolling tobacco. Anyhow, a joint of about .5 grams definitely gets me "high" in a similar way i feel as if i just woke up. my mind seemed clearer in my dreams, more linear and with more flow to it. it definitely works.

mmm about salvia, I have tried it before and I could say that for LD It won't help you at all. Salvia is one of the most potent psychodelic/hallucinogens in the world, be carefull what dosis you take 10x up to 120x. you are going to go bye bye for about 5 to12 minutes your are going to be in another reality bro. my recomendations: Do it with another person you really trust (that is not going to smoke or if he/she is is going to do it some time after you have (when you are back on your 6) ), prepare yourself psycologicaly for the trip, read about it. Check out the youtube videorecored trips so you have an idea. Do it somewhere private where there is not much people ( better if it is a place where only is you and and your friends). a powerfull experience man..

so... have a nice trip.

Hopefully I'll get to try salvia soon. I don't think it's useful for LD related things at all, though.

If you're not ready for Salvia then it will not be a nice experience..

I reccommend everyone to stay away from it!

As for the Calea, I tried a whimpy portion in a joint last night for my first time with this herb and while I felt a general effect for 15 or so minutes, it had no effect on my dreams.. Tonight I'm putting in a bit more.. Will hopefully report back in the morning..

Well, looks like the Calea works!

Had my first Lucid Dream ever last night after taking a proper hit of Calea Extract in a pipe before going to bed last night..

Hoorayyy for Herbs! lol

Check this out, had an interesting Calea Experience the other night..

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...7&postcount=29

arent you supposed to drink it before bed and then smoke a ciggarette

Originally Posted by Ben_

mmm about salvia, I have tried it before and I could say that for LD It won't help you at all. Salvia is one of the most potent psychodelic/hallucinogens in the world, be carefull what dosis you take 10x up to 120x. you are going to go bye bye for about 5 to12 minutes your are going to be in another reality bro. my recomendations: Do it with another person you really trust (that is not going to smoke or if he/she is is going to do it some time after you have (when you are back on your 6) ), prepare yourself psycologicaly for the trip, read about it. Check out the youtube videorecored trips so you have an idea. Do it somewhere private where there is not much people ( better if it is a place where only is you and and your friends). a powerfull experience man..

so... have a nice trip.

I agree. I've done the 40x twice and the first time was perfect for Ld's and the second time i had a crazy trip. I thought i was a chicken in a coop and i was goin nuts! Salvia is literally like, "Instant Dream".
or better yet, it's like someone dripped a hit of acid into a bowl of marijuana and 1 hit later and you're trippin' like plane tickets.
I recommend the EXPERIENCE, but not a regular habit!

Originally Posted by dreamscaper22

arent you supposed to drink it before bed and then smoke a ciggarette

There is no 'supposed to' with Calea..

Lots of things work for lots of people..

Some prefer only smoke, some prefer only drink, some prefer variations..

I know what works for me..


PS: Salvia does not = LD's - I dont reccommend this substance to anyone. Something that can change your perception this much can NOT be good for you!

well besides the fact i just said Salvia is like a dream, if you were to consume the right amount of salvia and do it THE RIGHT WAY like burning it as an incense it can help with Lucid Dreams. If someone says Salvia doesnt help with lucid dreams, thats just like saying "oh well going to bed at __ won't work".
The first time i tried salvia i had the vision of being 5 years old again in my backyard on a trampoline. Salvia induces flashbacks, which would help with lucidity. I've experienced this myself and i really dont care if anyone says "Salvia wouldnt help", but too much Salvia DEFINITELY wouldnt.

I would suggest doing a bunch of bowls. I've heard the mexican indians (who used this in lucid dreaming shamanic practices) drink the tea (supposed to have a proper handful of leaves in it) and smoke two cigarettes worth before bed, and keep leaves under the pillow.
This may or may not work, however.

Originally Posted by gwydion_calamity

I would suggest doing a bunch of bowls. I've heard the mexican indians (who used this in lucid dreaming shamanic practices) drink the tea (supposed to have a proper handful of leaves in it) and smoke two cigarettes worth before bed, and keep leaves under the pillow.
This may or may not work, however.

I would suggest not!

Experimentation starts small and only increases accordingly.. This is the right way..

Originally Posted by MrDamon

I would suggest not!

Experimentation starts small and only increases accordingly.. This is the right way..

Right, but as you said, you didn't put in enough the first time. This is just how it worked for these people, for some umpteen thousand years or whatnot. The tea is a lot less hard on your lungs, and you won't wake up with a dry throat. If you think you require the two cigs worth of calea, then by all means.
Lucidity is a state of mind, so, my guess is that it needs to be combined with whatever other techniques you have for attaining lucidity (remind yourself before you go to bed, etc.).

Have tried this two days running...first night it had the opposite effect-I remembered virtually no dreams! I smoked a joint of it and drank 3/4 cup of tea-couldn't drink any more, was too disgusting! Maybe I didn't have enough of the stuff, but I've also read it has reverse tolerance, so I tried it again last night....I didn't bother smoking it, just made the tea again-with some honey in this time to make it slightly less bitter.

I woke-up at 7a.m to drink it (drank it all-forced myself!). Then went back to bed for a couple of hours. I did have quite a vivid lucid dream, but this could've been a placebo. Also, the last week or two I've had quite a few lucid's from WBTB, so it could've just been that...I only have enough herb left for about one more tea, so I'll try it again tonight and post my results.

I know this thread is old, but I searched "salvia" so as to not make a new thread.

I unexpectedly had one of the most intense dream experiences in my lifetime with the sublingual method of using a Salvia Divinorum tincture. I wasn't aware that Salvia had this connection with dreams, I used it for spiritual/awakening purposes with the whole Shaman sort of ritual ordeal- candles, incense, native flute music. The actual Salvia experience was life-changing. But considering we are on a dream board, I'll set that aside.

The night, I had an INTENSELY vivid dream. I agree with the above posts, you have to be ready and treat this potent sacred plant respectfully. If you are not ready to have a Divinorum experience, you shouldn't toy with it. I think if in the right frame of mind, and treating it as it should be treated, you can adjust the amount of drops of tincture you want to dilute with water. This way, nothing too intense can happen without warning. Am I allowed to say a really good source to purchase it from? Anyway, I don't want to get in trouble but he is a top Divinorum researcher. Different sources of purchasing this will have different outcomes. Potent and very natural powerful substance. For the record, I lost all sense of identity with 4 diluted drops. This is intense. I can go on and on about it, sorry, I digress lol

Through my work, I am able to access some research files on tests that have been done with test subjects in regards to the effects of the species Calea zacatechichi (ternifolia)
(I am a biochemist working with plant genetics and have good relationship with universities)

Anyways, as a lucid dreamer, I was of course interested in the calea, so I read over the reports. The plant's foliage proved to be effective over placebo tests at enhancing dream vividness and recall, but no accounts of lucidity. In the test, the subjects were administered calea in capsules. I am not allowed to disclose the dose that was given, but it was probably about three leaves. Still these are good results. Another key point that was mention is that the supplement was most effective when taken regularly and had time to build up in the system.

Hope I could help you guys out. Remember, be responsible. Don't smoke it, just pack capsules. As well as getting inferior results, you will be harming your lungs. If you don't want to shell out the money, powder the foliage and roll the powder into balls with honey as the medium. This is what the chinese did.

Good luck, I will try to post an edit with a picture of one of my plants for you to get an idea of what the real deal looks

I am not going to post a picture because I have noticed that the leaves on the plant change so much. The leaves start off as a more rounded, serrated, yet still triangular shape, and then as they get older take on a more triangular shape. The difference between this one and the "non-bitter" as is commonly referenced, is that the true calea had red hues and light pigments of green.

-Borislav