Thread: Caffeine to increase success rate?

mmm, sorry for the nudge, but I'd appreciate if someone tell me what they think about my idea of covering caffeine with something to delay it's digestion, and taking it when doing WBTB.

I think it can have a great potential, if in the middle of a dream you will suddenly have a caffeine boost, that will stimulate cognitive functions, and make you realize you are dreaming.

What do you think?

Yeah I thought of it before too.

Perhaps a gelaline cap filled with caffeine surrounded by about 5 to 8 other, larger gelatine capsules to slow the melting and absorbtion process? And what about a Caffeïne Ointment? Doesn't skinabsorption take longer to reach effect than oral ingestion?

Originally Posted by SKA

Yeah I thought of it before too.

Perhaps a gelaline cap filled with caffeine surrounded by about 5 to 8 other, larger gelatine capsules to slow the melting and absorbtion process? And what about a Caffeïne Ointment? Doesn't skinabsorption take longer to reach effect than oral ingestion?

The oinment might not work well, because it will bring a gradual absorbtion of the Caffeïne. Well actauly this might be worth a try as well, but what I'm thinking of in this particular hipothesis, is that you will need a fast boost to really elevate your awareness above the theshold beyond which you will be "smart" enough to realize that the reality of the dream is odd. I think even one second of much heightened awareness might be enough to make you lucid.

The nested capsules idea is brilliant. It's even possible to test how many capsules will be needed:
You put something colorful in the capsules, and put them in warm acidic fluid, which is supposed to simulate the stomach, and see how long it takes for the color to apear in the fluid. Acid that you can buy has a standard PH level, which can be changed by adding something with high PH such as some soaps.
well I have a chemist friend so I can ask him if it's easy to conduct this experiment, or else we can simply try taking nested capsules with different number of layers and see how long it takes for the energy rush to start.

to be honest this idea seems brilliant.
So basically you'll be able to discover how long it takes for the caffeine to enter your system, meaning u shud be able to work out how mnay hours before bed to hit a rem period?

Yeah. Isn't Gelatin easy to make? If you make it yourself you could first boil it liquid and then pour it into different casts with different thickness.

All you need to make is half a capsule and then fit 2 together with Caffeïne inside.

I know you can get ready for use gelatin capsules from smartshop azarius, but I don't know what that would cost.

Originally Posted by imran_p

to be honest this idea seems brilliant.
So basically you'll be able to discover how long it takes for the caffeine to enter your system, meaning u shud be able to work out how mnay hours before bed to hit a rem period?

hmm I think I'm thinking about a different appraoch than that, heres an example of what I mean: Say you find that it takes you 30 minutes for caffein stored inside 3 nested capsules to feel the stimulating effect. You wake up after say five and a half hours of sleep, take the capsule and go back to sleep. It's not certain but there is good chance that the caffein hit you while you are dreaming. And If it wakes you up during the dream, you can reduce the amount of caffeine in the capsule, and try again.

I may sound stupid here but is taking capsules like taking tablets?
If so im gutted, as I cant take tablets. at all.

Originally Posted by SKA

Yeah. Isn't Gelatin easy to make? If you make it yourself you could first boil it liquid and then pour it into different casts with different thickness.

All you need to make is half a capsule and then fit 2 together with Caffeïne inside.

I know you can get ready for use gelatin capsules from smartshop azarius, but I don't know what that would cost.

It think it's quite cheap, and so is cellulose capsules, which I prefer because they are not made from animals.

Originally Posted by imran_p

I may sound stupid here but is taking capsules like taking tablets?
If so im gutted, as I cant take tablets. at all.

It's easier to swallow than tablets because they have a smooth surface, and also they don't melt quickly in your mouth like tablets, so if you have trouble swallowing you can try again and again.

I don't want a drug debate. If thats your thing fine with me. No problem. I'm just saying I'd rather not do it. But let us know how the hashish-coffee works.

I like the gelcap idea. But it seems like a little to much trouble when all I have to do is WBTB and drink a cup of coffee. What would you actually put in it. Ground-up caffeine tablets? I may however, give it a try out of curiosity. It may actually be more effective if it kicks in during a REM cycle.

I am a little concerned about how often we should try the coffee. It would seem like our bodies would adjust to it after a while and may require more caffeine or have little to no effect. I think I will lay off it for a few nights seeing how I drank a cup last night and had no recall. Of course I could have just been way too tired.

I will, but I won't be having any THC for a while now that I'm enjoying my REM-rebound.

I have another interresting thing I might try that might work in the way coffee does.
I have Yopo seeds. These contain DMT and a number of related compounds. When properly prepared with lime and a bit of water the main active compound is 5CaO-DMT which is a very very powerfull hallucinogen. Insufflated these ground seeds deliver radical altered perception, hallucinations of incredible realism and an incredible physical rush sensation.

However many Native American tribes also used to add these seeds to their beer. This beer is called Chicha and doesn't have a Hallucinogenic effect but a Stimulating effect instead. I might try drinking some Yopo-tea some day soon. I'm interrested what the stimulating effect will do to my Dreaming.

Originally Posted by Xanous

I don't want a drug debate. If thats your thing fine with me. No problem. I'm just saying I'd rather not do it. But let us know how the hashish-coffee works.

I like the gelcap idea. But it seems like a little to much trouble when all I have to do is WBTB and drink a cup of coffee. What would you actually put in it. Ground-up caffeine tablets? I may however, give it a try out of curiosity. It may actually be more effective if it kicks in during a REM cycle.

I am a little concerned about how often we should try the coffee. It would seem like our bodies would adjust to it after a while and may require more caffeine or have little to no effect. I think I will lay off it for a few nights seeing how I drank a cup last night and had no recall. Of course I could have just been way too tired.

The problem with drinking a cup of coffee is that it may be difficult to fall alseep.

Yes, I was thinking about ground-up caffeine tablets.

Yes, for this to work it should not be tried everyday, unless if you avoid drinking any other caffein.

I'm not really a coffee person, but I'm quite sensitive to caffeine. A few nights ago I tried a WBTB and took a few sips of Coke, then tried to WILD. :'( I was awake for nearly 2 1/2 hours! And if I drink it after say 7pm I can't get to sleep for ages... but I guess I could try it again in extreme moderation for a wbtb

Originally Posted by 2Fruits

I'm not really a coffee person, but I'm quite sensitive to caffeine.

Probably the reason that you are sensitive to caffeine, is because you don't drink coffee regularly.

Originally Posted by dodobird

Probably the reason that you are sensitive to caffeine, is because you don't drink coffee regularly.

Yeah, I don't really like coffee but I LOVE the smell. Although, I think it's probably better that I don't drink coffee regularly. All my friends are addicted

Originally Posted by 2Fruits

Yeah, I don't really like coffee but I LOVE the smell. Although, I think it's probably better that I don't drink coffee regularly. All my friends are addicted

Yes, it's the substance with the largest number of addicts in the world

This topic about coffee rings a bell in my head.. I remember something, but then again I don't. Anyways I'll join the experiment and report back tomorrow. (that is if I could get my hands on coffee tonight)

Actually this makes sense to me! About a month or so ago I gave up drinking coffee and my recall/LDs have been shockingly bad!!!

I don't know if there's any correlation between the two, but would be interested to see if I started drinking again (in the name of science ) if my recall and LDs would improve again!

Originally Posted by AdamA

Actually this makes sense to me! About a month or so ago I gave up drinking coffee and my recall/LDs have been shockingly bad!!!

I don't know if there's any correlation between the two, but would be interested to see if I started drinking again (in the name of science ) if my recall and LDs would improve again!

Aha, in the name of science..

I'm posting back on my results of caffeine usage for LD. Doesn't seem to make any difference for me though. No (better) recall, etc.

why do you have to make your own tablets just buy some no-dose