Thread: Salvia Divinorum

I'm surprised no one has written a thread on this subject, none that I can find anyway. So here goes ...

Salvia is a very powerful vision inducing herb. The subject of salvia should be well understood before
one even thinks about trying it. I would suggest the users guide at www.sagewisdom.org as the optimal
source of info related to usage and safety. This site as well as erowid have an abundance of user experiences
documented - so I refer the interested reader to those sites

It's legality varies, though it's still legal in most states in the US. The previous site has a summary on that
subject as well. It's not physically addictive. It's questionable as to whether there would be a propensity
toward psycological addiction - though I would personally doubt it. It's not that kind of high.

I think there is tremendous opportunity to use this herb for a variety of Lucid dream related endeavors -
from autosuggestion, to practice staying lucid in a temporary dream like state, to practice slipping from
full conscious awareness to a visionary state (much like in a WILD).

I use Salvia a few times per week. For me, one hit of a standardized 20X extract is plenty enough.
While I have only been practicing lucid dreaming since last June, I have managed to rack up over 60 LD's so
far. Combined with WBTB, I have LD's about 50% of the time when I try (i.e. - I have time to sleep 7-8 hours
and do a WBTB).

I believe my use of salvia has helped significantly. Why? ...

Simply put, the short trip induced by a hit or two of good salvia extract provides a forum in which to practice
lucidity in a visionary state.

Rather than be overwhelmed by the experience, focus on making observations in this state. Try your best to remain
lucid - and concentrate on remembering all aspects of the visions that ensue. Watch as the visions begin and then
ultimately twist around you and fade away. The better you get at negotiating this powerful visionary state, the better you
will get at negotiating your natural dream state.

As for the optimal time to do this relative to sleep, I don't have an opinion. Though I can easily think of a whole
bunch of strategies that might make sense.

Seriously though - if you choose to try this, do it safely. Salvia has had enough bad publicity lately. Don't ruin it
for everyone by screwing yourself up in some way and generating more negative publicity.

Well you have to understand that No one has any idea what Salvanorin A (the Main ingredient found in Salvia Divinorium) Does to the mind so This could actually benefit the helping of Dreams Its something that with proper research could probably benefit Lucid Dreaming

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...alvia+Divinorum

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...5&hl=salvia

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...4&hl=salvia


Here are a few other references.
The last one was one of my experiences.

I have yet to have a "break through"

To StephTheG's point, yes I think there is tremendous opportunity for formal or informal research
in this area.

I personally have a few ideas. The Dr title is for real by the way - though my reserach was in a radically
different area.

If there are any members of this forum genuinely interested in applying reasonable scientific methods
to qualify potential benefits of this herb in relation to Lucid Dreaming - we should talk.

In our Friday news paper there is an article on the front page.
A Rather long article. I'll just point out some interesting points.
Salvia Divinorum
It is a perennial herb in the mint family, related to common garden sage.
It is not a controlled substance in the United states, however the FDEA has listed it as - "a drug of concern"

Common names:
Diviner's mint, dinner's sage, leaves of the virgin Shepherdess. uuh OK.

Mexican plant that has already been banned in Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Delaware.

The US Food and Drug Administration, law enforcement and the scientific community differ on opinions for its use.

Mr.Dr.Technical, I will heed your call to perform controlled scientific research on said substance formely named salvia divinorum. Please put forth an acceptable testing outline as per formal standard operating procedures.

Thanks for the info. I've been wanting to try this for a while. I've heard it said that most can't even remeber even taking the hit of salvia after they start the hallucinations. How can one keep their cool in such chaos and whilst beeing so scared?I think it would be a frightening experience if I couldn't even remember that I had even did the salvia and I started seeing unreal shit. I even saw one of the users say that they were told by their "sitter" that they had taken salvia and still didn't believe or comprehend it. Nevertheless the person also said it was a good experience for him, but then again I've heard scary stuff about it too (well sort of). Even alot of the people who said they learned good things from it and had fun with it said they would never do it again. Why is that? Then there are others say that it did nothing for them. One of my neighbors is convinced it's another type of cannibis or something (despite what I told her) and said it only made her laugh alot. I'm sorry about bombarding you with questions, but I'm really anxious to try this before it becomes illegal. I think since I've had lucid dreams and stuff I might be better equipped to handle such an experience than one who had never had lucid dreams. Of course I don't know. Would it just seem like another lucid? LOL, sorry I'm just really scared about it. I'll hush now.

Originally Posted by ;415925

I've heard it said that most can't even remeber even taking the hit of salvia after they start the hallucinations. How can one keep their cool in such chaos and whilst beeing so scared?[/b]

Well, as far as I know, the strength of the Salvia experience depends on the dose. Only on higher doses you may forget that you took it, or your sense of self break down, and you become 'non lucid'. ( But remeber that each person has a different sensitivity to it, so you need to 'caliberate' the dose for yourself )
So in theory, it may be possible to start from a low dose, and increases it gradually each time.
Each time you can try to remain lucid, and ( again in theory ) this may help you practice to stay lucid in dreams.
I also thought about this exact idea lately. The problem with being lucid in dreams is that you fall right into the deep waters, there is normally no in-between state in which you can practice lucidity, and Salvia may help to achieve this state, and even control the level of the state by setting the dose.
The advantages of experimenting with Salvia for this purpose are that has a delusional effect, in that it can make you believe the experience is reality ( non-lucidity ), it's legal in most places, it's not toxic like other delirium drugs, and it affects you for a short time.

has anyone considered taking salvia in a more drawn out dosage BEFORE sleep/attempting a WILD? While i dont have much experience with salvia myself, i know that the leaves brewed asd a tea or ingested have longer but more low key high. I dont have any salvia right now myself, but i can get it fairly easily (haight is a short trip over the golden gate away). Just wondering if any of you guys have tryed/are willing to try experimenting with the tinctures or tea with salvia and LD's.

Salvinorin A is not successfully absorbed by the stomach. Yes, you can use it sublingually to get a
more gentle, longer lasting result. However, bear in mind that it does have a stimulant effect. I think
there could be benefit to using it after 5-6 hours of sleep if you get up to do a WILD, but it would
depend greatly on how you responded to the stimulant effect. I think a lot of people would not
be able to fall back asleep so readily.

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

Salvinorin A is not successfully absorbed by the stomach. Yes, you can use it sublingually to get a
more gentle, longer lasting result. However, bear in mind that it does have a stimulant effect. I think
there could be benefit to using it after 5-6 hours of sleep if you get up to do a WILD, but it would
depend greatly on how you responded to the stimulant effect. I think a lot of people would not
be able to fall back asleep so readily.[/b]

Too bad smoking Salvia extract 3 times hasn't done anything for me yet. Can you, Mister Salvia prophet, tell me what I might have done wrong? I'm, willing to try taking it sublingually again some day, but I'd first have to find a supplier of dried salvia leaf: I believbe azarius MIGHT have those. I know they have extracts.

As for the stimulant effect: How instant is the Stimulant effect? does it synchronize completely with the psychedcelic effects? Or does it come later on? Maybe one could try chewing Salvia leafs and administering it Sublingually while having just awakened, then spit it out eventually and fall back asleep. Would you happen to know iof this allows you enough time to fall asleep before the onsert of the Stimulant effects?

The stimulant effect will hang in about 30-60 minutes after the peak effect subsides.
If you intend to use this sublingually, I would strongly suggest an alcohol based tincture.
I personally have never used the traditional method of using leaves rolled into a quid - but
I believe that's going to be the most difficult method to get results. It's strongly dependent
on the quality of the raw product.

An alcohol based tincture that has a standardized amount of salvinorin A is going to yield
a preditcable result.

Final note - an undiluted alcohol based tincture will burn the tissues of your mouth some.
You'll generate a lot of saliva very quickly which will reduce that effect. But be prepared to
deal with 30-45 seconds of pain (sorry for reporting the bad side). You might also kill off some
tissue. The alcohol however is required for efficient absorbtion of the active ingredient.

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

Final note - an undiluted alcohol based tincture will burn the tissues of your mouth some.
You'll generate a lot of saliva very quickly which will reduce that effect. But be prepared to
deal with 30-45 seconds of pain (sorry for reporting the bad side). You might also kill off some
tissue. The alcohol however is required for efficient absorbtion of the active ingredient.[/b]

You can dilute it a little with a few drops of hot water to reduce the burning effect of alcohol.