Thread: Wild Vivid Dreams-pill

Originally Posted by Jimmie

Ephedrine taken in quantities exceeding 100mg (I'm not sure what the likely effects of taking less would be as I've never done it) does cause very vivid and long lasting dreams, the stimulant properties of the medication also seem to make it difficult to enter a deep sleep, prolonging the amount of time you're likely to spend in REM. Unfortunately this drug has been banned in the USA by the FDA and I have no personal experience with it's less stimulating counter part psuedoephedrine. Just thought I'd add my two cents.
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hmm, i havent taken more than 48grams at a time, and i dont think thats very good for the heart

it probably isn't. . . that's why the medication was banned by the FDA. It was causing some pretty nasty side effects.

The recommended dose was usually 50mg. . . the maximum daily dose was 150mg. I'm not a doctor and I don't recommend anyone take a drug that the FDA has deemed unsuitable. I just wanted to toss my two cents in regarding this herbal supplement.

Originally Posted by Jimmie

it probably isn't. . . that's why the medication was banned by the FDA. It was causing some pretty nasty side effects.

The recommended dose was usually 50mg. . . the maximum daily dose was 150mg. I'm not a doctor and I don't recommend anyone take a drug that the FDA has deemed unsuitable. I just wanted to toss my two cents in regarding this herbal supplement.
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oh i definitely aint against it, and its good that its not fully banned sometimes health should stop you from pursuing some things, thats all.

ive read in a few different places that dxm can induce lucid dreaming but theres no proof that those sites are reliable and dxm is not something to be taken lightly

I tried some dxm back in the day (it wasn't called dxm back, then it was just robo-tripping. . . cause you get dxm out of robbitussin cough syryp ) and I've slept on it but it didn't induce lucid dreaming. . . from what I remember of it, dxm makes you very very stupid. . . so much so that you might not even be able to tell if you're awake let alone asleep . . . it makes you so unaware of your surroundings I would think it would make it much harder to LD as well. . . plus it's hard to keep a train of thought so it would increase the likelihood of you forgeting you're dreaming. . . It also messes with your time perception so laying in bed trying to sleep for 10 minutes could feel like hours. . .

Just a few reasons why I wouldn't try it. . . oh and also dxm makes people throw up very frequently even with the required pint of orange juice you need to fix the ph balance of your stomach.

Originally Posted by Jimmie

oh and also dxm makes people throw up very frequently even with the required pint of orange juice you need to fix the ph balance of your stomach.[/b]

Um, that stuff about fixing the pH balance of your stomach is pure baloney. In all of my research and personal experience with DXM I have never heard of such a thing. I've also personally never seen anyone vomit after taking DXM (although I've read that it does have a tendency to happen sometimes), so it was probably all that orange juice that made you and your friends puke so much . Who told you that anyway?

I would also like to add that I agree with your stance on DXM not being conducive to lucid dreaming. That sounds even more ridiculous to me .

if you take alot of dxm or tussin whatever you want to call it then it will make you throw up, and no it doesnt seem like it would help with lucid dreaming but ive read it on multiple websites wether they are reliable or not i dont know

Originally Posted by DuB

Um, that stuff about fixing the pH balance of your stomach is pure baloney. In all of my research and personal experience with DXM I have never heard of such a thing. I've also personally never seen anyone vomit after taking DXM (although I've read that it does have a tendency to happen sometimes), so it was probably all that orange juice that made you and your friends puke so much . Who told you that anyway?

I would also like to add that I agree with your stance on DXM not being conducive to lucid dreaming. That sounds even more ridiculous to me .
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I'm not a chemistry major but it has to do with the base/acid content of your stomach . . . dxm is a base which means it is alkaline, your stomach is an acidic environment. Acids and bases cancel each other out and you get a ph balance close to that of water, neither a base nor an acid. (like when trying to add chlorine to a pool. . . it doesn't take much to throw the whole thing out of whack) If you disturb the acidity of your stomach too much . . . well. . . it gets pissed and you vomit. That is why people throw up when they take dxm and that is why you should drink orange juice. Orange juice is acidic. . . and it restores the natural ph balance of your stomach.

orange juice it is then if i ever get enough courage to try dxm again, last time at first i was morphing into my friends stripped shirt but then my friend started freakin out which caused me to freak out and it seemed like time would slow down to where seconds became minutes, it was terrible

there are way stronger otc drugs now anyways.

oh i gotcha now

i say mushrooms only

Small update:

last night I swallowed 5 Vitamin B-complex pills around 03:30 and went to sleep some 10 minutes later. I don't know how long it took me to actually fall asleep but it seemed like well over an hour.

I woke up remembering 1 part of my last dream very vividly: it was a pretty sexually driven dream in which I had sex with someone I didn't know in Waking Life. Little snippets of previous dreams lingered around but only that particulair scene stayed with me as I woke up. I found myself waking up very slowly and gradually too.

SO, I might try and do this again, but not tonight, to be sure it was or wasn't the Bcomplex that was responsible for the rather vivid and well remembered dream.

Also I would like to try ingesting about 4 or 5 Bcomplex pills in combination with another Psycho-active substance that has a positive effect on your Memory and Overall Clearity/awareness of Dreams.

Any suggestions as to what I shall combine with Vitamin B-complex pills just prior to sleep? Anyone?



And just another Idea I had. You might know www.erowid.org It's a site that gives you about as much information about almost ANY drug or Psycho-active, from Caffeïne to MDMA, from Mushrooms to DMT and Salvia Divinorum..etc It tells you basically everything: Laws, possible Healthrisks/addictionrisks, Toxicity, Moleculair structure, Chemistry, effects, Experience and Trip Reports...etc

Now I was tthinking: What If WE, as a BIG site devoted to Lucid Dreaming, could CONTACT the Administrators of Erowid.org we could ask them if they would like to work together with us in a Project I have for now called ''Dream Works''. A sort of Section in their site to which this site is linked, that discusses all sorts of psycho-active compounds, Smarts(Like vitamins N such) and herbs that may assist in altering and affecting nightly Dreams and Sleep, with an eye out for Lucid Dreams.
There's alot of people experimenting on Erowid, Mushrooms + MDMA, LSD + DMT..crazy people. But I also noticed that some tried to achieve Lucid or Vivid Dreams by Means of B-vitamins, Herbs and Plant-extracts..etc. That drew my interrest and inspired me for this Idea.

Would 't be a handy Section of Erowid? Dream Works, where people from all over the world experiment with Psycho-actives in the Field of Dreaming. Well I guess the Admins of this site would have to agree first. So I'll wait for one of them to respond to this.



PS: About there being much stronger drugs than OCT drugs: dude I know, just look below my avatar and see in what ''drug-rotten'' country I live I reckon that Magic Mushrooms take you waaaay further than XTCpills. Don't know about DXM, wanted to try it but haven't yet: I know it is a depressant with Supposed Psychedelic effects, but I also know all depressants are Dream Killers. Fun? Maybe. Good for Lucidity? NO. hell no. And since I live in this Drug Rotten Country anyways, I have just ordered 10 grams of Yopo Seeds which are about a 100 flat brown seeds that contain high doses of 3 different variations of DMT: NN,DMT, 5MeO-DMT and 5HO-DMT (a.k.a. Bufotenin/''TripToad''Venom) and appearantly doesn't need extraction for effectiveness. I'm going to make STRANGE popcorn out of them, ground that up and smoke it as soon as I get my package delivered.You can also SNIFF it, but I'm not a great fan of sniffing stuff. But I might try anywhoo to see about the effects that has and wether it's different than smoked Topo seeds in effects. It's said to HURT like hell on your Nose, and in both the case of smoking & snorting, to induce Nausae. In that case I'll be filling a bucket, emptying my stomach: better to puke that not to and to feel nausious during the entire experience. I'll have to find out. Wish me luck

I'll surely share the experience and experiments here in the Psychedelic Experience Topic I made in the Extended Discussion Board.

a little off topic but this post seems more fitting than any of the others ive seen, has anyone else noticed that when you smoke weed the hypnogagnic imagery right before you go to sleep is really intense and very beautiful, might just be me but its really cool

Originally Posted by davidsusername

a little off topic but this post seems more fitting than any of the others ive seen, has anyone else noticed that when you smoke weed the hypnogagnic imagery right before you go to sleep is really intense and very beautiful, might just be me but its really cool
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It happens to me too. But when I see the colors, it's more than just that. I feel my body moving, and pulsing with the colors. One time I layed down after smoking some really good chronic and I felt like I was spinning with the colors. Very weird, but it seems like it won't help when you WILD. I usually get too wrapped up in the images that come, and loose consciencness.

Originally Posted by Pyrox

It happens to me too. But when I see the colors, it's more than just that. I feel my body moving, and pulsing with the colors. One time I layed down after smoking some really good chronic and I felt like I was spinning with the colors. Very weird, but it seems like it won't help when you WILD. I usually get too wrapped up in the images that come, and loose consciencness.
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Yeah Marijuana is a Great herb to help increase Visual Imagination. But it's also a Depressant and it surpresses REM-sleep. So it wouldn't do any good when it comes to Dreaming.

I was more thinking about a Combination of Vitamin B-complex + Ginkgo Biloba. Ginkgo Biloba seems to positively affect The Memory and the Attention Focusing ability. I guess that would be a desirable effect to go to sleep with, Have very Conscious&Aware Dreams and wake up Recaling your Dreams.

Okay Big update:

Today I was Downtown and I went into this Herbal Shop to look for Ginkgo Biloba: A tree which it's leaves contain substances that seem to potentiate the bloodflow of the brain, Improve Memory and Concentration: Effects I thought would be helpfull while Attempting WILD or other Lucid Dream Induction Methods. Just to get you in a good Mindset to start with.

And I found it so I bought a bottle of Ginkgo Biloba Pills. 60 pills of 120 miligrams each. The dayly recommendation is 1 pill a day. I'm going to try and take 1 right before I fall asleep as my First Experiment with it. I think I've kind of got to doodle around with the Duration of effects and The Time from falling asleep to passing into the Dreamstate. If I could finetune the time of Ginkgo Biloba intake so that I know the effects of Ginkgo will ''peak''exactly as I pass into the REM-sleep, DreamState then I guess it would help my DreamRecalla and perhaps my overall awareness.

I also bought a bottle of some stuff called DL-Fenylalanine which is supposed to improve your concentration: Some effects that may be handy as an aid while attempting WILD. To concentrate and stay aware.
I'm going to do some experiemnting with these + Sleeping to see if I can synchronize the Desired effects of the Ginkgo and the DL-Fenylalanine with my REM Dreaming time.


First experiment:
1 Ginkgo Biloba Pill of 120 miligrams right before going to sleep. I hope it results in better dream recall and Clearer more aware dreams. I will post results tomorrow.

Okay resultys were:
I remembered 1 part of the dream. Can't tell if Ginkgo helped my Dream Recall cuz sometimes I wont remember any dreams in the morning and sometimes I do remember 1 (scene of a) dream. But that's abut it. So I cannot tell YET.

What I remembered dreaming was quite a Sensual/sexual Dream again. I remember laying in bed and this extremely gorgeous girl started messing around with me while I was still half asleep(in the dream) and it was extremely exciting. Yunno when you get the hots for a person in waking life and you're making out and becomming sexually and sensually close. That feeling only ''exagerated'' X 10 in my Dream. Dreams always seem to mimic and exagerate feelings & situations of waking life. kind of Dramatize reality.

So I must say. If the ginkgo worked it would have been responsible for my short vivid dream, allthough I remembered it very vaguely. the feeeling lingered and it was very intense.

I'm going to take Ginkgo Biloba again tonight. 1 Pill. But I'm wondering if I should do it the same way as I did yesterday. Take it some 30 mins/an hour before going to sleep. Or wether I should take it in a WBTB-way.

Concerning Ginkgo Biloba:
I just wanted to say that I took ginkgo standardized extract daily (60mg * 3 times a day = 180 mg/day) for about six months and I never noticed much difference in dreams or dream recall. To be honest, I didn't notice much effect whatsoever. This doesn't mean it wasn't doing anything, but it should be noted that ginkgo isn't anything like a miracle herb. Some other relevant ginkgo facts:

• They say that you have to take it daily for at least 2 months before you start to notice any effects from it.
• It is dispensed very rapidly into your bloodstream- it "peaks" about 15 minutes after ingestion (on an empty or near-empty stomach), and then it has a half-life of about 3 hours in your system. For this reason, it's recommended to take ginkgo with a meal to extend it's duration.

Originally Posted by DuB

Concerning Ginkgo Biloba:
I just wanted to say that I took ginkgo standardized extract daily (60mg * 3 times a day = 180 mg/day) for about six months and I never noticed much difference in dreams or dream recall. To be honest, I didn't notice much effect whatsoever. This doesn't mean it wasn't doing anything, but it should be noted that ginkgo isn't anything like a miracle herb. Some other relevant ginkgo facts:

• They say that you have to take it daily for at least 2 months before you start to notice any effects from it.
• It is dispensed very rapidly into your bloodstream- it "peaks" about 15 minutes after ingestion (on an empty or near-empty stomach), and then it has a half-life of about 3 hours in your system. For this reason, it's recommended to take ginkgo with a meal to extend it's duration.

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Yeah I know Ginkgo works on the Long Term. I've only taken it twice now. But could it be that besides the Long term effects there are also some Immediate effects? It's also supposed to increase bloodflow, especially in the Brain. And if it's true what you say about the quick onset of it's subtle ''effects'' then I am going to try this in a WBTB way. Maybe I'll take my Ginkgo Pill after having slept deeply for about 5 hours and then waking myself up with my cellphone alarm, take the pill and go back to sleep.

All the while I'll continue taking Ginkgo pills, 1 a day after dinner time as is suggested on the bottle, and see what it does for my DreamRecall and DreamVividness/Clearity.

Originally Posted by SKA

But could it be that besides the Long term effects there are also some Immediate effects?[/b]

Yeah, I'm sure it does have some immediate effect. After all, I've read cases where taking WAY more than the recommended amount at once induced seizures in some people. So it's not completely inert- just mild.

It would probably be most useful in a WBTB situation, as you say. Perhaps taken with some dark chocolate.

Haven't read the whole thread but this one hasn't been mentioned yet:

Ilex guayusa

Ilex guayusa is a tree of the holly genus, native to the Ecuadorian Amazon Rainforest. It is a distant relative of both Yerba Mate and Yaupon Holly, used to make the black drink. The leaves have the highest caffeine content of any known plant.

The leaves are boiled to produce a tea; due to the high caffeine content, the same leaves are often used multiple times, sometimes for several days. Fresh leaves are used as well as dried leaves, which are dried in rolls and strung together as a wreath resembling a Hawaiian lei.

In addition to the stimulant effects, the tea is used to enhance dream recall. To achieve this effect, it is believed that the tea must be drunk consistently in the early morning, just after waking, before the sunrise. For many Ecuadorian indigenous, the morning drinking of guayusa is a social ritual.

In areas in which it grows, it is also a common admixture to the powerful entheogenic brew ayahuasca; it is added both in addition to the more common DMT containing plants as well as in the place of them. According to the Ecuadorian indigenous, it is also slightly hallucinogenic on its own, when drunk in high enough quantities.[/b]

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_guayusa

Erythroxylum catuaba (Catuaba)

Erythroxylum catuaba is a tree, native to south-America and related to the coca-plant. While little-known in the West, the tree is most famous in Brazil because of belief in its aphrodisiac properties. Indigenous people, like the Tupi in Brazil, have used the plant for generations, mainly because of it's famous aphrodisiacal properties. Preparing it as a tea, they claim it produces an immediate lifting of mood and libido. Long-term use of Catuaba is reported to stimulate erotic dreams and enhance sexual experience. In addition, catuabe is known as a general tonic and fortifier and stimulant of the nervous system. Some research on its antiviral and antibacterial properties, but research data are still scarce.[/b]

source: http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/produc...category_search

Silene capensis (African Dream Root)

This sacred plant which is used by shamans of the verdant river valleys of the eastern cape province of South Africa, has the ability to induce remarkably vivid dreams. 'This obscure flowering species is regarded by shamans of the South African region as a type of 'Ubulawu' or medicinal root that they call 'Undela Ziimhlophe,' which translates literally as 'White paths' or 'White ways.' It is suspected that this sacred plant's oneirongenic, or dream-inducing activity is likely due to triterpenoid saponins contained within its roots. Relatively small amounts of root (250 mg range) are reported to be active. The plant exerts only minimal alterations in waking consciousness, yet the effects upon the dream state can be profound.'[/b]

source: http://www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com/produc...category_search

Entada rheedii (African Dream Herb)

The seeds of this large woody climber are frequently washed up on the beaches of the east coast of southern Africa which is why they are sometimes called Sea Beans. It is a large creeper growing in most forests in central Mozambique and naturally occurs from near Durban northwards throughout tropical Africa and into India, Asia and Australia.

The extraordinarily large seeds are carried or worn on necklaces and pendants as lucky charms, but tobacco made from this seed has been used for ages to help induce vivid dreaming.

The large bean like seeds are carried and worn on necklaces and pendants as lucky charms. Tobacco made from the seed has been reported to cause vivid dreaming. The seeds have various medicinal uses, including topical applications in an ointment for the treatment of jaundice.[/b]

source: http://psychoactiveherbs.com/catalog/produ...products_id=435

I can not confirm if these plants work cause I don't have any of them except Guayusa. I've tried Guayusa only once and the circumstances were definitly not good lol... Perhaps one day I can eloborate on it's effects after experimenting with it!

Sorry if some have been posted before

thanks a bunch. I've heard of the last 2 Dream Enhancers you mentioned. I actually opened a Topic about Entada Rheedii. I have not yet been able to find a Dutch Smartshop/headshop that sells Silene capensis. It would be better for me to find a Dutch supplier so I don't have to pay rediculously hight shipping costs.

As for Entada Rheedii: My favourite Smartshop Azarius sells these beans. however they are not in stock ATM so I'll receive an Email once they are supplied with these beans again. As soon as I receive an Email that these Beans are available I will order 4 or more of them.

And thanks for the Source too. very helpfull.

maya-ethnobotanicals is dutch and a lot cheaper and better then Azarius!