Thread: Calling all Musicians...

Making people enthusiastic about and coöperate on experimenting with new methods to induce Lucid and Vidid Dreams seems near impossible on this site nowadays.
I remember better times on DreamViews where people would come with ideas to induce LDs and coöperate and focus on it untill a conclusion can be reached.

Nowadays I see new topics every day being burried under piles of new topics the very next day. And to be honost most topics in this board aren't at all sensible or contributing to attaining lucidity.

How hard can it be to get a couple of people to work together to develop an idea into a practical LD induction technique? How hard can it be to get a couple of Lucid Dreamers to co-createLucid Dream MP3s?

I have a didgeridoo track on my myspace and a few other demo songs
http://www.myspace.com/wildlettucemusic listen to Australia(for didgeridoo) Middle Eastern ( Freestyle for Guitar and percussion)
Only demo songs on there but if you guys are interested i can get the full version ones i made and better quality.

I made many tracks lately. 2 of them are somewhat suitable for Lucid Dream guidance.
I tried putting them on my Myspace now; 1 is up. The other track appears to be too large.
Here's my MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/skallonmusic

Does no one here know of a free, simple site whereto I can upload MP3s downloadable for others?

Thanx Clyde. That was what I was looking for.

Reinhardt did you play the guitar and percussion yourself? I really like it. It's really good.

I uploaded a track I recently made. 10 minutes and 40 seconds. It's very relaxing and entrancing. Easy to fall asleep to.
Meant to play on repeat while falling asleep.
You can download it here to try:
http://www.upurload.com/file.php?nam...ffd0da7a8e.mp3

I read the OP, but don't have the time to read all the replies so I'm not sure exactly what's going on.

I make Multi-stage Isochronic Tracks, which for me are very effective at increasing dream recall and vividness of dreams. Listening to them from a fully awake and alert state causes some hypnogagic imagery while calming the body. I'd be happy to contribute some I've already made, or make some new ones if you're looking for something different.

I also compose of guitar and piano, however I'm currently pretty terrible at singing... but I'm getting there.

As far as resources, I have a boss multi-effects pedal, decent mic, piano, two spanish guitars, two acoustic guitars, two electrics guitars, two ukeleles, two bongo sets, a violin, harmonica in C, G, and B.

So, if someone wants to update me on what's going down and how this'll work I'd be happy to contribute in any ways possible.

Mindwanderer. In a nutshell the purpose of this topic is to develop and share tracks that, in whatever way, can help induce lucid dreams. Either by certain constant high pitched sounds(to keep awareness high) or by ambient tracks with every now and then a slightly "disturbing"/alarming sound to keep you from falling asleep unconscious. Be creative and try to work together. This thread is all about developping the perfect music/ambience/noise to induce lucid dreams.

Feel free to download my track(s) and edit them to your likings and reupload them.
Keep in mind that it has to be awakening yet subtile/subdued enough to allow you to fall asleep on it.

The purpose of this Topic is simply to make tracks that induce vivid, more aware, hopefully lucid, dreams.
It can be Ambient, Music, Noise.
It will have to have something that raises/focusses awareness like high pitched sounds, Entrancing drummer, Subsonic constant tones, bells..etc,
but at the same time it will have to be calm and subdued enough to allow you to fall asleep on it.

Also I encourage people to work together. Feel free to download my track, import it into Audacity, Qbase, Cooledit or whatever Soundrecording/editing program you may use, and record your own sounds/music/whatever over it.
Then you could reupload it and post the link to download it here. Other people may then try it as a Lucid Dream Aid and then add something they find it still needs to it.

This way I hope we can develop the perfect MP3 tracks for inducing highly aware, lucid dreams.

Originally Posted by SKA

The purpose of this Topic is simply to make tracks that induce vivid, more aware, hopefully lucid, dreams.
It can be Ambient, Music, Noise.
It will have to have something that raises/focusses awareness like high pitched sounds, Entrancing drummer, Subsonic constant tones, bells..etc,
but at the same time it will have to be calm and subdued enough to allow you to fall asleep on it.

Also I encourage people to work together. Feel free to download my track, import it into Audacity, Qbase, Cooledit or whatever Soundrecording/editing program you may use, and record your own sounds/music/whatever over it.
Then you could reupload it and post the link to download it here. Other people may then try it as a Lucid Dream Aid and then add something they find it still needs to it.

This way I hope we can develop the perfect MP3 tracks for inducing highly aware, lucid dreams.

Well.... not to burst any bubbles... but my understanding is that the single most effective way to induce vivid dreams, with high recall and high chance for lucidity is simply raw unaccompanied isochronic tones. They're the most powerful method for increasing dream recall, vividness, and lucidness (outside of your own potential at least).

You can beat around the bush all you like, but Isochronic beats are most effective when used alone...

However... if you were to use ambience/nature/calming sounds to lul a person to sleep, then after about 30 mins (roughly how long it takes to fall asleep) start an Isochronic tracks that starts around 8 or 9hz (right outside of theta waves) and then works it's way to around 5 or 6hz (deep sleep) then it would take a much shorter time to reach rem/deep sleep. Then once the isochronic track is over, simply play a third track with either mantras, or sometype of sound that is loud enough to be heard, but not wake you... so that it's heard in your dream and you gain lucidity.

The downside with that Idea is that it'd be around 2 and a half hours long, or longer... and you'd need a way of listening to it while sleeping.

edit:

I'm not sure if someone has brought this up yet... but you can't truely believe that there is a perfect mp3 track to induce LDs can you? Brain chemistry, general sleep patterns, sleep rhythms, how familiar you are with lucids, reality checks etc.

You will never.... and I mean NEVER find the perfect LD inducing track. It might work for 4 people... but it won't work for another 6. Human beings are so incredibly complex on the large and small scales that to think you could find something that works reliably 50% of the time with everybody is silly.

A perfect LD inducing track would be one that is made by, made for, and tested by the person intending to use it. Nobody else knows you, how you sleep, when you sleep, you patterns etc.

I've never heard of Isochronic tones before. It sounds alot like the BrainWave generator, where certain sound vibrations played into each ear seperately was supposed to adjust brainwaves and induce certain states of mind. Is it like that?
Could you please explain what Isochronic tones are and could you let me hear some of them?


And I don't see how that would burtst my bubble. It seems it could only make it a bigger bubble.
If Isochronic tones are really that effective, then they may be added to ambience/music/noise tracks for them to become more awakening.

I meant the 'burst your bubble part' as being that no one track is perfect... and that's it's unrealistic to believe such a thing.
Isochronic tones however, have been shown in several tests to be up to 50% effective in people with little or no previous training in lucid dreaming!

Originally Posted by SKA

I've never heard of Isochronic tones before. It sounds alot like the BrainWave generator, where certain sound vibrations played into each ear seperately was supposed to adjust brainwaves and induce certain states of mind. Is it like that?
Could you please explain what Isochronic tones are and could you let me hear some of them?


And I don't see how that would burtst my bubble. It seems it could only make it a bigger bubble.
If Isochronic tones are really that effective, then they may be added to ambience/music/noise tracks for them to become more awakening.

Isochronic tones are the newest thing in brainwave entrainment. It way easier to make than bin/monaural beats... and it's WAAAAAAY more effective.
Also, they don't have to be played through stereo headphones, or any headphones. Of course, it's more effective if your taking in the tones at your fullest capacity without any outside noise... but it'll work none the less.
Isochronic tones are scientifically studied and proven to work, and have been praised by Stephen Laberge... the "Father" of lucid dreaming.

They're quite simple... and the science behind it can be put into layman's terms.

A carrier frequency (the pitch) is play a certain number of times a second (hz) in which the brain then taking in this powerful stimuli does it's darndest to switch up a Sodium/Potassium pump here and there to switch up the polar charge of neural clumps in the brain effectively 'entraining' the brain to which ever frequency (hz) is being played.

Here's my 'Lucid Dream Induction V2.0' for download as a wav file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?tzjig1lenjn

And here's my 'sine wave tone ld2' file in mp3
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ymeljuicywl/Sine Wave Tone LD2.mp3

The LD induction V2.0 track is a transitional track... used to gently and gradually transition your brain from a waking frequency (anywhere from 15 to 40hz) all the way down through deep relaxion (10hz) to deep sleep brain waves (4 to 7hz). The sine wave tone ld2 track is a track that is the same frequency (5hz) all the way through. And if listened to without being extremely relaxed or having listened to the LD induction V2.0 track, it can cause dizziness, nausea, and general unpleasentness. Nothing permanent though...

So best bet is to only listen to Lucid Dream Induction V2.0 right before bed, and then try for a WILD... and then if that fails wake up at night (WBTB) and listen to the Sine wave tone ld2 track before falling back asleep.

My LD Induction V2.0 track has worked wonders for me, and I've had some positive feedback from others who have tryed it... the feedback ranged from having lucid dreams after listening to the track, to simply being very relaxed and 'chill' if listened to during the day... like after work and stuff.

Anyways, try it out tonight and get back to me with as detailed feedback as possible. If you can, make mental notes while you're listening to it of any sensations you might have during certain parts, or if you think that a certain frequency is played for too long/short.

By the way, there are parts of silence in there (5-10seconds) so just because it's quiet doesn't mean the track is over... the LD induction V2.0 track is about 15 minutes long!

I should also make clear, this is a 'prototype' track... also brain wave entrainment is a somewhat iffy thing, because during dreaming while some parts of the brain are at a low frequency, others may be at a higher frequency. But regardless, isochronic tones definately can work... just need to try.

Originally Posted by mindwanderer

I meant the 'burst your bubble part' as being that no one track is perfect... and that's it's unrealistic to believe such a thing.
Isochronic tones however, have been shown in several tests to be up to 50% effective in people with little or no previous training in lucid dreaming!

Really? May I see the aforementioned study that proved it? I looked into isochronic tones before but never went far with them - I'd like to learn a little more about their effectiveness.

I'm not fantastic at it, but I compose sometimes in Garageband or I write sheet music in Sibelius.

I have a pretty good voice, and I can do some overtones, or any mantra you like. I can go slightly low, and pretty high. Just send me a PM, asking me to do whatev, and I'll do it, and send you the mp3 over email or something, and let me know if it works for you. Namaste
~Moto

I wish I could, but I don't keep track of my sources. I've read this stat in several places online, from a range of resources. Though, of course, like any experiment, even a 'scientifically' obtained result isn't 100% true for everyone, as there are biases and many variables including participant sample, sample size, lifestyle, use etc.

For me, they have been 100% effective. And that's after a long dry streak, and without having been practicing dream recall and reality checks for the last while.

I'm sure with some searching the sources could be found, but unfortunately I don't have the time to look for them. As such, I wouldn't blame you for taking my statement as no more than a grain of sand... I'd do the same. But if you search around you'll find it.

What I think would be best, however, is that we... as Lucid Veterans (some of us at least) do our own experiment on these forums.

Also, I've already explained the jist of isochronic tones several times in this thread... so if you just go back a page or two and look for my posts you'll find the explanation.

Thanks for the response, mindwanderer. I know what they are and generally how they work, so if I ever find a need to tell someone of them, I'll refer them here.

I made a SoundCloud on which I put some of my Tracks.
Some of them are for Lucid Dream induction: These will be downloadable as opposed to the rest.

Here it is: skallonmusic - Tracks - SoundCloud

Binaural beats induce me into concious sleep in this order delta, delta, theta, alpha, then quickly back into theta states you can download the at jetcity orange.com

I was inspired by a National Geographic documentairy about Ultrasound(As heard in the roar of Tigers and Lions). So I tried to create some really deep, mostly subsonic, but subtile tones in Reason 4, my music program.

It can be listened and downloaded from this link:
skallonmusic - IWishWellInTheWishingWell - SoundCloud

The deep rumble somehow has a calming and clearing effect on me. I added some ambient sounds like crickets, birds and woodland creeking sounds.
Half the track is with the deep rumbling tones, half of the track is only birds and crickets and a subtle synth chord, with the deep rumbling tones being absent.
This way I won't get too used to the rumble to notice it.

The track, if downloaded, is meant to be played on repeat all night while sleeping, on a volume low enough to not keep you from falling asleep. Adjust to your own needs.

I have yet to try this, because I don't have anything to play music with in my bedroom and my PC is downstairs. Need to fix this soon.

I made another ambient track yesterday. It's ambient Celtic music I composed in reason.
skallonmusic - Celtic Deities - SoundCloud

It can be downloaded as well. Meant to be played in an endless loop throughout the night on a low volume.


Now that I've made several shorter ambient tracks I'm thinking of using Audacity or a similair audio editing program to merge them together in 1 really long ambient track.
Perhaps a track of 90 minutes, having variations in excitement & tranquility, Mayor & Minor, uptempo & downtempo.
In between the several melodic loops I can place silence with occasional sounds of waterdrops, birds, crickets, rain, storm, synthesizer sounds, bells, chimes and choirs.

This to create a sound scape that pulses from tranquil/subtile voids of near-silence to slightly excited/more intense melodic loops. Perhaps these short exciting melodic loops can cause short awakenings or near-awakenings throughout the night, putting one in a state from which it is alot easier to acces a dream lucidly.

What ever came of this idea? I have a guitar and am looking into getting a synth. I'd love to contribute to a Dreamviews ambient album somehow. Just tell me what you want me to do

I really need to buy a decent soundsystem for in my bedroom.
I bet I can fix a free, old PC to serve as a music/library/player so I can play Music and Lucid Dream/Meditative tracks near my bed.
I suppose it would be nice to place an upward facing subwoofer under my bed, at the height of my heart chakra. And then place the smaller, high frequency speakers on each side of the bed.

Then I can do experiments with very low pitched, deep, bassy sounds, very high pitched, flat, beeping sounds and all possible sounds in between.
Sleeping on different sounds I may find out which sounds have an awakening effect, by being slightly uncomfortable/stressing and which sounds have a calming/hypnotic effect, by being slightly sedative/apeacing/boring.
Then, when the desired sounds are created, you can carefully mix Calming sounds with Stressing sounds in various Ratios into various Calmth/Stress-Tracks and try sleeping on all those tracks.

We know that certain sounds overstimulate our brains and will not allow us to fall asleep. We know that certain sounds & melodies are very calming/apeacing and sedative on the human mind.
Playing with them, finetuning them to induce a wakefull, but calm/entranced state of being is what I'm trying to achieve, together with Dreamview-peoples with this Topic.

Originally Posted by SKA

I was hoping there are some musicians on these boards.
I thought perhaps together we could record and compose an entrancing Lucid Dream aid Track.


I Play a great deal of guitar and some Piano and I like creating mysterious melodies. Now if you can play anything: Percussions would be very nice, piano, Bass, Trumpet, Didgeridoo...anything you think may be a good sound to add to an Ambient Lucid Dream aid MP3.

You can record beat/melody-samples with simple free downloadable programs like:
AudaCity which is what I use.
Perhaps some of you can create ambient sounds with Cubase or Reason or such programs. We could work together in making something very ambient by sending eachother our recorded samples and recording something over it on another track.

Perhaps some people here can add Bineary beats and Theta waves and such.


My idea is to make entrancing music that really calms and clears your mind and keeps you focussed and undisturbed when you close your eyes and listen to it.
So if you can play something mellow and entrancing on your Djembe or Bongo.or whatever... Let me know if you're interrested to compose an ambient track with it.

Did someone say.... didjeridoo?

OneiroMonster (click)

I have some advice for musicians who don't know how to make mysterious music.
The whole tone scale is perfect for mysterious stuff.
It's used in the movies where someone would recall a memory.