Thread: Supplements or Natural?

Originally Posted by Nfri

Why not both? It works synergic.

I agree....its always best to be able to do ANYTHING naturally, but I won't knock a supplement if it helped me in some way. I dont think anyone should develop a dependency on supplements. But of course I think we all feel that way.
For me to say something that hasnt been said in this thread, let me say this...


I have had just about every supplement for lucid dreaming aids that you can think of.....i've gone lucid with and without supplements.....
my personal opinion is that, the only thing that really TRULY sparks lucidity is WBTB.

Every supplement, Galantamine, Choline, Yohimbe, L-Dopa, B vitamins, etc, they all get introduced during a WBTB......
Induction methods or Incubation techniques rely heavily on WBTB.......
MILDS, WILDS, FILDS, etc.......WBTB....

My point is that, with the proper mindset, WBTB works by ITSELF.

I've had nights where i supressed my REM by taking 200 mg of 5-HTP.....then waking up after 4 hours and taking galantamine/choline bitartrate.....and practiced the MILD technique.....only to fall asleep and wake up with ZERO RECALL. And mind you, this is after spending much time with a mindful, sporadic awareness mindset, meditation 3 times a day, breathing meditation, visualization meditation, and single point dream yoga meditation, reality checks, journaling...u-get-the-picture......

Then ive had nights where i didnt take a goddamn thing and just went to sleep.....woke up in the middle of the night to take a leak...got back in bed....and had the most EPIC, VIVID LUCIDs a human being can imagine.......i mean getting a lap dance from Michelle Obama while having a power lunch with Bill Gates for-crying-out-loud.........

Now, dont get me wrong, im not knocking any technique, or method. If you find something that works for you, please, by all means, use it but try to not get dependent on it.....the same goes for any supplement.....
cus personally.......lucid dreaming is one of those things where u can do everything "right" and get nothing.....then not even try really and get amazing results....
its definitely a mind thing.....
we all dream every night.....its just a matter of "catching" it......

Originally Posted by FOATL

my personal opinion is that, the only thing that really TRULY sparks lucidity is WBTB.

Every supplement, Galantamine, Choline, Yohimbe, L-Dopa, B vitamins, etc, they all get introduced during a WBTB......
Induction methods or Incubation techniques rely heavily on WBTB.......
MILDS, WILDS, FILDS, etc.......WBTB....

My point is that, with the proper mindset, WBTB works by ITSELF.

It's interesting that you write this. I reached exactly the same conclusion last year. After a few dozen attempts with galantamine and choline with rarely getting back to sleep within 3 (or even 5) hours, (but yet sometimes having really amazing lucids, even 7 hours after taking the supps, supposedly beyond their effective time period), I started to wonder: was it the supplements, or was it all the hours spent awake intensely thinking about lucid dreaming? I created a thread, "supplements: does it all come down to WBTB in the end?" where not everyone agreed with me .

I think there is no doubt that galantamine + choline has an effect: I can feel it, I have HI like fireworks going off before my eyelids on that combination. But I think just as important is the combination of WBTB + the strong expectation of "just knowing" that you'll be lucid.