Thread: Galantamine, B6 and melatonin IT JUST WORKS !!!! prepare to be AmaZeD

yesterday i had the most intense experience in years in waking or dreaming life. And here is the real story:
After watching Maleficent with my family , i decided to try combining 8 mg galantamine 3mg melatonin, 200mg b6 and 200mg b12 , i tried each of them separably with some success but nothing could be compared to what happened when i combined them. I took the melatonin and slept for 4 hours to wake up and take the rest of the combo, after about an hour I heard the sound of my reality check app in the background of my half asleep state and decided its my best chance to induce a WILD (all my lucid dreams so far were DILDS) and wilds was just a concept for me , i did enter a dream but for some reason i forgot that i actually induced it with the intention of lucid dreaming, nevertheless the dream i had was pure thrill and action , the theme of the dream was that of a place were people go to get THRILLED , the show started and if i was to describe it in detail it would take 10 pages , in short the level of creativity and detail and emotion and sensation was astronomical , remember when you were a kid and your emotion was 100X your emotion now, thats how it felt, at some point in the show things got out of control , instead of being spectators we became part of the show , wolfs would suddenly surface from under the pool and jump on people while doing a backflip, we would go to an elevator and each level would hold a surprise . when the dream ended i waked up and looked at my wristwatch and found it 11 am and my alarm clock was set for 8 am ??? i checked the mobile phone watch again and found it was also 11 but reading the numbers wasn't that easy , I wondered how i closed my 4 alarms while asleep (critical thinking) but attributed that to the intensity of the dream and didn't make a reality check (big mistake ) realizing am too late to go to college i decided to go back to sleep, i woke up shortly afterwards checked the clock , and it was 6:47 am ??????? , I realized then that i had a typical FALSE AWAKENING , and decided to wake up to write this post , and it took sometime to convince my self this wasn't a dream since it felt the same (hope am not writing all this post to find its a dream lol ). My final thoughts is that the combo i took increased my lucid dreams chances by at least 10 times , with the biggest contribution being made by the 200 mg b6 followed by the galantamine ,then the melatonin , then the b12 then the reality check app . I had several more dreams (actually after taking the combo i was basically dreaming all the time ) they were very heavily affected by the events and thoughts i had on the previous day only they were on steroids, had i watched a comedy or romance movie , the theme would have been different. As for artificially inducing a lucid dream , i dont necessarily advocate that but the way i look at it is that guess what the cinema is an artificial way of entertainment , the laptop your using is artificial , the car your using is an artificial way of transportation , the phone your using is an artificial way of communication . Am not trying to downgrade the natural lucid dream experience and in time when lucid dreaming become a habit for me i will stop all artificial aids, ive seen a video were some lucid dreaming figure said that using aids for lucid dreaming is like using stabilizers to learn how to ride a bicycle you can remove them once you learned cycling. More over in my country going to the movies would cost you 50 units of the local currency while artificially inducing lucid dreaming would cost you only 14 (although the galantamine costed 12 per pill and the b6 only 0.5) at the end that was my experience , and hope to hear about yours . VIVA lucid dreaming

what lucid aids do you think I should buy ? im really close to getting Lucid in a dream and would like a little boost. As you said, once we learned the skill to Lucid dream at will, we will stop using Lucid Aids.

Shit so is it when ever I'm in ANY dream it'll play music and make me notice I'm dreaming?? Awesome kinda liuke inception!

Originally Posted by PierceHerVeil

Shit so is it when ever I'm in ANY dream it'll play music and make me notice I'm dreaming?? Awesome kinda liuke inception!

Yup thats what it "should" do also the feature that could make it worthwhile is that it will have an open api source so that anyone could make an app that works on it , which will guarantee a number of apps that will definitely be cool ,the product is still not released but will be soon , but off coarse it will not guarantee a lucid dream , only make it easier , also there are lucid dream masks like nova dreamer , and the new and cheap Remee that could also help .

I think it's best to avoid supplements until you have a good amount of experience in natural dreaming. For one thing, unless you're already familiar with the feeling of lucidity and the feeling of the dream, supplements may not get you lucid -- they may produce vivid dreams (if you're lucky, and if you can get back to sleep).

Galantamine and b6 just keep me awake. I will try again at some point with some more melatonin perhaps. But pretty much all supplements have been a disappointment (galantamine + choline mixes, b6, mugwort, peppermint, wormwood, various protein powder blends, 5-HTP). About the only one entirely reliable is melatonin, and just for getting to sleep, although I have had occasional REM-rebound-like effects with it. I have felt different with the galantamine, b6, and wormwood, but the way it effects me usually is just keeping me awake for hours.

By far my best dreams have been all-natural.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I think it's best to avoid supplements until you have a good amount of experience in natural dreaming. For one thing, unless you're already familiar with the feeling of lucidity and the feeling of the dream, supplements may not get you lucid -- they may produce vivid dreams (if you're lucky, and if you can get back to sleep).

Galantamine and b6 just keep me awake. I will try again at some point with some more melatonin perhaps. But pretty much all supplements have been a disappointment (galantamine + choline mixes, b6, mugwort, peppermint, wormwood, various protein powder blends, 5-HTP). About the only one entirely reliable is melatonin, and just for getting to sleep, although I have had occasional REM-rebound-like effects with it. I have felt different with the galantamine, b6, and wormwood, but the way it effects me usually is just keeping me awake for hours.

By far my best dreams have been all-natural.

since you cant sleep when you take galantamine , sleep for 4 hours (normal sleep) and then wake up and take 3 mg melatonin an 8mg galantamine together this way you will be able to sleep even with the galantamine in your system ,even if your a natural lucid dreamer galantamine will significantly affect your dream lengh , good luck .

Originally Posted by PierceHerVeil

what lucid aids do you think I should buy ? im really close to getting Lucid in a dream and would like a little boost. As you said, once we learned the skill to Lucid dream at will, we will stop using Lucid Aids.

I highly recommend b6 (above 100 mg) i take 200 mg its cheap and effective melatonin is more than a sleep aid than a lucid aid i take it only to fall asleep , galantamine is good but its bad for your wallet , and there is a new lucid dream head band (first head band all the previous lucid dream aid machines had been masks ) called aurora , its monitors your eye movements and eeg and once your in a lucid dream it plays a visual and audio que that you can notice while dreaming and become lucid , check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s_sRYlvYL0 i would be happy to hear your results, good luck

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

since you cant sleep when you take galantamine , sleep for 4 hours (normal sleep) and then wake up and take 3 mg melatonin an 8mg galantamine together this way you will be able to sleep even with the galantamine in your system ,even if your a natural lucid dreamer galantamine will significantly affect your dream lengh , good luck .

Well I tried something close to this last night. I took 1mg melatonin at bed time, set the alarm for 4am, (I was in the middle of a dream when it hit), took 2x 4mg Galantamind (8mg galantamine total, plus some choline and some B5), and 300mg AlphaGPC, and 1mg melatonin more, but one hour later I was still awake, so I took 2mg melatonin more. Didn't help, couldn't sleep. Got up around 7:30am, ate, skype chatted about dreaming, around 9am was feeling really tired so went back to sleep, tons and tons of dreamlets, sort of hard to sleep because of them, but I did eventually fall asleep and OH MY GOD the dreams I had....two lucids, one short where I woke up rubbing my hands in bed while I was trying to stabilize the LD (this may have been a FA, not sure).

And an aboslute monster LD that I don't remember the beginning of, where I teleported (first time, only made it into the void but still cool), flew (started flying while still in the void, then the dream came to me) through a city (somehow I was stuck turning to the left, but it was still awesome), then I had I think a FA transition into a dream that felt so real that I kept nose pinching and almost not believing the result that showed dreaming: I dreamt that I was in my own house (fake memory house), that I must have fallen asleep while working at my desk during the day time, and I walked around the house, interacted with my family, even heard an argument between my wife and my children that I thought was seeping through into the dream from waking life (and I wondered if they came into my room if in the dream I told them to be quiet since I was still sleeping, whether or not I would speak in "real life"), took a shower, tried to summon a beautiful DC, failed, then a little later one wandered into the room, and I "got with" her, and transformed her (her facial skin was covered by very bad acne, I willed he skin to be clear, and *POOF* the acne all faded away!). It was awesome.

And this was 7hrs or so after the initial galantamine. I think next time I will try 2 or 3 hours of sleep, and 3mg of melatonin with the galantamine. If I can have this awesome LD 6 hours after the G, I can only imagine how awesome they are within the first few hours!

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Well I tried something close to this last night. I took 1mg melatonin at bed time, set the alarm for 4am, (I was in the middle of a dream when it hit), took 2x 4mg Galantamind (8mg galantamine total, plus some choline and some B5), and 300mg AlphaGPC, and 1mg melatonin more, but one hour later I was still awake, so I took 2mg melatonin more. Didn't help, couldn't sleep. Got up around 7:30am, ate, skype chatted about dreaming, around 9am was feeling really tired so went back to sleep, tons and tons of dreamlets, sort of hard to sleep because of them, but I did eventually fall asleep and OH MY GOD the dreams I had....two lucids, one short where I woke up rubbing my hands in bed while I was trying to stabilize the LD (this may have been a FA, not sure).

And an aboslute monster LD that I don't remember the beginning of, where I teleported (first time, only made it into the void but still cool), flew (started flying while still in the void, then the dream came to me) through a city (somehow I was stuck turning to the left, but it was still awesome), then I had I think a FA transition into a dream that felt so real that I kept nose pinching and almost not believing the result that showed dreaming: I dreamt that I was in my own house (fake memory house), that I must have fallen asleep while working at my desk during the day time, and I walked around the house, interacted with my family, even heard an argument between my wife and my children that I thought was seeping through into the dream from waking life (and I wondered if they came into my room if in the dream I told them to be quiet since I was still sleeping, whether or not I would speak in "real life"), took a shower, tried to summon a beautiful DC, failed, then a little later one wandered into the room, and I "got with" her, and transformed her (her facial skin was covered by very bad acne, I willed he skin to be clear, and *POOF* the acne all faded away!). It was awesome.

And this was 7hrs or so after the initial galantamine. I think next time I will try 2 or 3 hours of sleep, and 3mg of melatonin with the galantamine. If I can have this awesome LD 6 hours after the G, I can only imagine how awesome they are within the first few hours!

Very cool , last night i dreamed that i was unpacking my foc.us tdcs device and i even asked my self how could i be doing this when i didn't order it in the first place , but failed to lucid dream !!!!!!!! , today ill try something new i was interested about the effects of melatonin on Rem , the magical thing is that it suppress rem sleep in the first half of the night and increase it in the second half , so ill try 6 mg of milatonin before i sleep tonight and see what happens .

Is there an update on the Aurora status? They're supposed to ship in June according to their schedule but I can't find a recent status update.

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

Yup thats what it "should" do also the feature that could make it worthwhile is that it will have an open api source so that anyone could make an app that works on it , which will guarantee a number of apps that will definitely be cool ,the product is still not released but will be soon , but off coarse it will not guarantee a lucid dream , only make it easier , also there are lucid dream masks like nova dreamer , and the new and cheap Remee that could also help .

I have a remee and have been using it for a month. At least one experienced lucid dreamer has found it to help him have more LDs than without it but it takes considerable (several months perhaps) customization since it's only a timer, not a REM/dream detector. Also people without a very regular sleep schedule may find REMee not effective. I have seen the lights only once in a dream and since I was "driving" in the dream and the lights "blinded" me I panicked and woke up .

REMee is probably most effective in its "nap" setting rather than the initial delay. If you get a REMee expect to spend a lot of time analysing your sleep cycles (noting what time you wake up from dreams) and adjusting the REMee timing to match them.

I can't wait for the Aurora and the NovaDreamer2, ND2 is "supposedly" going to ship this year, that would be awesome. The thing I like and don't like about the Aurora is that it is not a sleep mask: I like it because it should be more comfortable (REMee is kind of uncomfortable), and I don't like it because I need a sleep mask because my room is very bright.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Is there an update on the Aurora status? They're supposed to ship in June according to their schedule but I can't find a recent status update.



I have a remee and have been using it for a month. At least one experienced lucid dreamer has found it to help him have more LDs than without it but it takes considerable (several months perhaps) customization since it's only a timer, not a REM/dream detector. Also people without a very regular sleep schedule may find REMee not effective. I have seen the lights only once in a dream and since I was "driving" in the dream and the lights "blinded" me I panicked and woke up .

REMee is probably most effective in its "nap" setting rather than the initial delay. If you get a REMee expect to spend a lot of time analysing your sleep cycles (noting what time you wake up from dreams) and adjusting the REMee timing to match them.

I can't wait for the Aurora and the NovaDreamer2, ND2 is "supposedly" going to ship this year, that would be awesome. The thing I like and don't like about the Aurora is that it is not a sleep mask: I like it because it should be more comfortable (REMee is kind of uncomfortable), and I don't like it because I need a sleep mask because my room is very bright.

Yes frying Man Aurora will start shipping in June and you can order it now for 200$ (preorder) put if you can wait for the release date i think it will only cost 175$ .
There are generations of Lucid dream machines ,the first is the sleep timer method which doesn't monitor your EEG but just play dream cues at specific times (like Remee) the seconed generation would be the aurora since will monitor your EEG and play dream cues accordingly so its not a blind approach like the Remee .
The third generation is the use of electrical stimulation for lucid dream induction with a success rate of 75% success rate (every night) and this would be awesome. Lucid dreaming can be induced by electric scalp stimulation, study finds | Life and style | The Guardian , the research has only been out from a month and this will be a major step in the history of lucid dreaming .
Currently there are no third generation Lucid induction machines but surely it will soon become a reality . As for the Novadreamer 2 the continuous delays in its release date is because of the new research that pops out every few months that makes the developers wait till they can incorporate it ,so this new discovery of electrical stimulation could further delay the release of nova dreamer 2 (although is already in beta testing ) so i think will have to wait for the Nova dreamer 3 or any developer who is fast enough to make use of this technology .
Your dreams can be controlled by electrically stimulating your brain – body hackers and chronic nightmare sufferers rejoice! | ExtremeTech

Originally Posted by lucidusorbis

Yes frying Man Aurora will start shipping in June and you can order it now for 200$ (preorder) put if you can wait for the release date i think it will only cost 175$ .
There are generations of Lucid dream machines ,the first is the sleep timer method which doesn't monitor your EEG but just play dream cues at specific times (like Remee) the seconed generation would be the aurora since will monitor your EEG and play dream cues accordingly so its not a blind approach like the Remee .
The third generation is the use of electrical stimulation for lucid dream induction with a success rate of 75% success rate (every night) and this would be awesome. Lucid dreaming can be induced by electric scalp stimulation, study finds | Life and style | The Guardian , the research has only been out from a month and this will be a major step in the history of lucid dreaming .
Currently there are no third generation Lucid induction machines but surely it will soon become a reality . As for the Novadreamer 2 the continuous delays in its release date is because of the new research that pops out every few months that makes the developers wait till they can incorporate it ,so this new discovery of electrical stimulation could further delay the release of nova dreamer 2 (although is already in beta testing ) so i think will have to wait for the Nova dreamer 3 or any developer who is fast enough to make use of this technology .
Your dreams can be controlled by electrically stimulating your brain – body hackers and chronic nightmare sufferers rejoice! | ExtremeTech

LaBerge should just ship ND2 already and continue improving the design with the ND3, ND4, etc.

Can you point me at a press release or other recent status update about the Aurora ship date?

found it on their Facebook page, current estimate October 2014, meaning probably not before early 2015 most likely is my guess.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

found it on their Facebook page, current estimate October 2014, meaning probably not before early 2015 most likely is my guess.

Yup they say there shipping date is now on October , but they say early preorders (people who supported them on kick start will receive there shipment on July/August , which means we will at least see some reviews and personal experiences in a month or so .
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As many of you have inquired, we are pushing back our ship date, now estimated for October 2014. We are now in a position where our updated PCB is working as it was with our old design, when we completed our campaign. So while we won't be mass producing Aurora until October, we are working towards having early prototypes ready for select backers to begin testing as early July/August. Today we have our sights set on a new generation of data collection and user feedback. We learned a lot from our early-gen prototypes and this knowledge is informing our new design decisions. Below is a picture of our updated project timeline as it sits today on our chalkboard.