Thread: Codename N2D2: NovaDreamer 2 incoming.

But now, if LaBerge gets a lot of applications for beta-testers, then bites his lip and actually sends a bunch out, he might be able to get some real data to be able to say more decisively how the N2D2 might effect the dreams of someone already doing substantial day work.

Couldn't help but picture LaBerge like this xD

(I hope he's not reading this thread )

Originally Posted by Zoth

(I hope he's not reading this thread )

I hope he is, personally. I also think he would smile broadly at your post!

Hi Archvenom - thought I'd try and get back to you - if you have any more questions but sure to let me know!

Do you have a rough idea of your REM cycles and setup your alert times around this? How many times a night does the cue go off? Do you tend to activate after a WBTB or just after x hrs of sleep? Sorry for all the questions I'm just very interested.

Ok - when I first thought about doing this I wondered if there was much point trying just a countdowner timer to hit a REM period. I hadn't been keeping an eye on LD'ing when the Remee was released but by most accounts this got a bad press as being pretty ineffective and I think one of the reasons used to explain this was because it didn't use any REM detection technology (to be fair if you are going to name your device using the term REMee its pretty misleading if it DOESN'T have rem detection! ). So I wondered if there was any point.....so I went looking for some research.


And acting as a good counterbalance to the Remee argument was the stuff coming from the DIELD guys using alarm clocks

- this is an excellent and pretty recent thread on DV's that I used so at the time - so thanks to all the people who started and contributed to it - http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...-lucidity.html I think this shows what a useful and valuable resource DV's is, as it is this information that helped me to think it was worthwhile trying this technique in the way I do.

Basically these DIELD'ers WERE using countdown alarm clocks to hit an REM period and wake themselves up after which they could DIELD - and reporting some pretty successful results without any REM detection required (at the time I figured if I couldn't get a signal incorporated into a dream with the vibrating Invisible clock I figured I could still use it to DIELD).

Some of them recommended repeat timers going off after 15-30mins, I tried 21mins and it worked so I've stuck with that. Its a totally random number but it seems to hit REM periods often enough for me to continue with it (and it SOUNDS precise which gives me a psychological boost ) - any shorter and I'd get woken up after I set it before returning to sleep (there is no delay on the Invisible Clock II I use for the repeat countdown mode).

I do a very brief wbtb - I don't actually get out of bed I just wake up (I use the same Invisible Clock on a vibrating alarm to wake me up) after 5 hours. I chose 5 hours because this gives me enough uninterupted sleep to go to work on the next day but enough sleep left to maybe get 5-8 vibes in to try and hit an REM period (on a typical night, I'd try to aim for bed at 11.00, wbtb at 4.00am, set the clock for 21min intervals and get up at 6.30). I only stay awake for maybe 3-5mins doing a sort of MILD around the vibe signal then set the clock and return to sleep. If its a weekend I might stay awake longer to try and 'psych' myself up more to do some WILDing/DEILDing as well which complements well with the vibes going off. So the mental parts to lucid dreaming certainly complement what I'm trying to do.

I found just setting the vibe to go off at the start of the night (without a wbtb) didn't work at all. The highest likelyhood of a vibe getting incorporated into a dream is around 1 hour after I return to sleep - my feeling is that this is as much about habituation/desensitization to the signal as the timing. In otherwords after a few times of the signal going off my sleeping body/brain starts to expect and tune out the signal (although I have still have the signal incorporated 2 hours after a wbtb it seems more common 1 hour after). I think some of the DIELD'ers mention a similar thing - though obviously they can set their alarm clocks at a higher threshold because they are aiming to wake up.

Hope this is helpful! I should say as well that this is early days with the device but I'll keep posting results in my workbook if you are interested - cheers and happy weekend everyone!