Thread: Isochronic tones

Please describe what difference is

Originally Posted by citruspsyche

That was one music track playing all the Schumann resonances in succession. I was only expecting some basic calming effect, but after about 10 minutes into the track, my whole body began vibrating. Sounds like pre-SP vibrations, but they were not! I could move my hands while it was happening and I could even open my eyes! As soon as I closed them back, the vibration would keep on going. They lasted for another minute or so and then they started receding.

The vibrations are just one of the sensations you can get as you are noticing your body falling asleep. But it's not related to SP. SP is a paralysis we get after we start dreaming, so we don't act out our dreams and get hurt. That's how you were able to move. But you don't need SP to WILD, so it's all good.

I do get vibrations often, together with other sensations. They should be observed passively. It's possible that iso-tones helped you get into that stage faster, but have you tried without them? I do get them when getting up at night for restroom and comming back to bed. They start within seconds. So if your body is suficiently relaxed, it's easier to feel them.

Here is an article about Sensations and types of entry into WILD, if you interested.

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ThAtaInTmE: For binaural beats, you need stereo headphones and the produced frequency is a ghost sound produced by the brain from different inputs in different ears. I read somewhere that they can be harder on the brain as it needs to produce the sound, instead of just hearing it.

Isochronic tones are just beats of desired frequency. Some say it's more effective than binaural beats, so I'm not sure why they're less famous. I think it's because the ghost sound from binaural beats are a much more interesting phenomenon.

gab: I'm not convinced that's what the vibrations were because I wasn't that close to sleep. I was just relaxed and I hadn't reached hypnagogia! Also, I've never felt WILD related vibrations before. I've had many WBTBs and some WILDs, but nada! On the other hand, the lowest Schumann frequency (7.83Hz) IS in the theta brainwave range, so that might have caused them. It doesn't really matter though, I'll use isochronics in the future because they do seem better than binaural beats!


Tonight I will use some isochronic tracks during REM sleep. I'll allow 14 minutes for falling asleep and then start the track every 90 minutes to catch the REM. I'll set up an alarm after 3 cycles for a WBTB and I'll post the results tomorrow!

Originally Posted by citruspsyche

gab: I'm not convinced that's what the vibrations were because I wasn't that close to sleep. I was just relaxed and I hadn't reached hypnagogia! Also, I've never felt WILD related vibrations before. I've had many WBTBs and some WILDs, but nada! On the other hand, the lowest Schumann frequency (7.83Hz) IS in the theta brainwave range, so that might have caused them. It doesn't really matter though, I'll use isochronics in the future because they do seem better than binaural beats!

There is always time for a first

Vibrations start in NREM, as you are ready to go to REM. People woken up in NREM (light sleep stage) swear, they were still awake, not asleep.

I'm not saying that you are wrong. But I don't know of any other vibrations. I have not felt any untill one day I did. And I do feel them quite often since then, maybe because now I know how they feel and what to look for. (they can be quite subtle at times).

And most often I get them when trying to WILD during a nap, while still fully conscious. I feel them, while I'm thinking about what I will make for dinner and that if this takes much longer, I will need to get up, because I'm starting to get hungry. All I'm saying, you may be closer, than you think.

PS. Edit post and Reply with quote will work, if you right-click on it and chose open in new tab.

What you say does make sense. But I'm a bit reluctant to that idea since I just left the vibrations flow while relaxing and emptying my mind. Then a few minutes later, nothing else happened and I just got up. Wouldn't I expect to fall into deep sleep after such vibrations? And start a dream? Also, looking at the 4 stages of sleep:
1+2 - light sleep, NREM
3 - deep sleep, NREM
4 - REM
Stage 1 is the one that you say we can't tell if we were woken up from it. So is this where vibrations occur? Because if this is where they do occur, it would explain how I got my vibrations but not the fact that they don't happen much at all. If they occur in stage 3, then it's not what my vibrations were, but it will explain the infrequency.

Even if I don't know much about vibrations, I would think that they happen just before REM, as you said. This would make them more probable during REM rebound sleep when we fall straight into dreaming and it's easier to be conscious the whole time.

And I've looked on the forum to see why I can't edit posts. Thanks.