Lucid dreaming supplements

Oh. You're a teenager. I would talk to your parents or guardians than. They might know more of what will work or not work on you. Herbs/medicine of any kind can be toxic if mixed. So check and see if you dont have any allergies, or health issues, or on any medications. In other words...talk to your parents about it.

Have you tried the natural approach at LDing without the suppliments? You're still young so this is a good time to get into the art of LDing from a natural means. When ya get older you'll feel good knowing you can LD at times natural and don't have to fall back on herbs/legal drugs.

I already did that... but I'm quite informed about my body, that's not the problem (no allergies, no medication, no health issues and the doctor said, my body is at the level of an 18-year old) but I'm worrying if taking drugs like Galantamine (though I would only take a very small dosage and only once a week) over a very long time (since I'm quite young, assumed I would take it for a period of 50 years) it could damage something..

(btw. sorry for bad English)

That's a question I can't answer. There's been debate about it. But...its still a fairly new market drug at least in the west. Only hit the pharmacys/perscription status in the 1990s.

I posted some warnings below on this threat that have come up about it. I know it can cause massive insomia. I can not sleep at all if I use more than 2MG of Gal. I also believe without Choline that Gal won't work as a lucid aid, but just brings more vivid recall.

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Originally Posted by beijaflor

Well, I feel quite silly asking my doctor for a prescription for LD supplements (since I'm only 15).

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Yeah, they wouldn't give you any of these drugs. But.... there may be some good news. Piracetam is being studied for more uses than just Alzheimer's.
That's pretty much the only thing you can get it for now.

From wiki:
Some sources suggests that its overall effect on lowering depression and anxiety is higher than improving memory.[45]

Piracetam is useful as a long-term treatment for clotting, coagulation, and vasospastic disorders such as Raynaud's phenomenon[42] and deep-vein thrombosis.[17][43]

Piracetam has been studied in an extensive number of clinical experiments, and has shown positive results in the treatment of post-stroke aphasia, epilepsy, cognitive decline following heart and brain surgery, dementia,[6] and myoclonus.[9][10] Its peripheral vascular effect has indicated its use for vertigo, dyslexia, and sickle cell anemia as well.[4]

So, basically.... what you could do is get it prescribed for one of those things if you have any of them.

Piracetam has been proven safe over many many years. I don't know if Galantamine is not safe, but two studies confirming each other means it could be. So why risk it when there's another alternative.

Piracetam is over the counter (I just started looking into it after your post). Amazon has it for about $20 for sixty pills. I seen another online drug store selling it for $15.00 for the same. 800MG.

I have no knowledge on this supp so I can't comment on it except I just saw some reviewer say he used it with Choline-B (like we tried Galantamine with Choline-B) and had an increase in concentration and awareness throughout the day. This is what I pulled on it myself:

"Piracetam 800 mg 60 vcaps | International Nutrition- this is a heat sensitive item and is non-returnable
Piracetam (also called 2-oxo-Pyrrolidine Acetamide, Nootropil) is a derivative of the neurotransmitter GABA (Gamma Amino Butyric Acid). Chemically related to the amino acid Pyroglutamic Acid (Pyrrolidine Carboxylic acid), which occurs in cerebrospinal fluid and plays an important role in cognitive functioning.

Neurochemical Effects

•Enhances Brain Metabolism (By increasing Glucose Utilization, Blood & Oxygen Flow) [Boosts mental energy & cerebral circulation].
•Increases Cerebral Phospholipids & Cellular Membrane Fluidity (By interacting with the polar head moieties of the phospholipid bilayer) [Supports healthy neuron communication & structure].
•Helps with Lucid Dreaming
•Supports Cognitive Receptors (By amplifying the density of the Muscarinic Cholinergic [Frontal Cortex, Striatum, & Hippocampus], NMDA (N-Methyl-D-Aspartate) [Hippocampus], & AMPA (Alpha-amino-3-hydroxy-5-Methyl-4-isoxazole-Propionic Acid) [Cerebral Cortex] Receptors) [Strengthens neurotransmitter receptors involved in memory and neuroprotection].
•Stimulates the Corpus Callosum, an area of the brain that controls communication between the left and right hemispheres (Increases communication between both hemispheres) [Involved in speech and creative thinking].
•Stimulates the Locus Coeruleus, (specialized neurons) [Involved in information processing, attention, cortical/behavioral arousal, learning and memory]"

I wouldn't do too much experimentation as a 15-year old. I know that's not what you want to hear. A good multivitamin would be good, but probably won't help you with LDing. Be careful with B6. It's good for you, but too much is bad for you (as stated above).

FYI, I never take B6 before bed without taking Melatonin. I'm not a doctor, but these two seem to be fine together. The combo has gotten me lucid, but generally it just gives me vivid dreams.

Piracetam is recommened by Thomas Yuschak as a way to counter the effects of Galantamine the morning after taking it. It is supposed to reduce the time you need to wait between doses. Personally, I have taken it and I love it. I wouldn't recommend it to a teenager because again, I'm not a doctor. It did give me massive mental alertness during the day. I wish I knew about this in college because I probably would have taken it before all my exams. I have taken it before bed and didn't see any effect on my dreams.

Well maybe Piracetam would be an alternative..
I have been taking antidepressants for a few months but I stopped taking them because they had negative effects on my lucid dreams... so maybe Piracetam could do both, lower my depression and help me to get more lucid dreams..

Piracetam is definitely NOT an alternative to Galantamine.

Piracetam is used to counter desensitization of acetylcholine receptors caused by Galantamine

Yes, that's what I heard, too (well, I read it in Thomas Yuschaks book) but maybe it could also have positive effects.

Some people do report having weird dreams on Piracetam. I am not one of those people. I just remember reading that somewhere. I think it was on this forum.

I took a second galantamine/choline on the same night because I couldn't remember if I had already taken one or not. What do I do? Vomit it up? Or sit it out?

Even if you took a double dose of 8mg of galantamine, you should be ok. Same with choline. How much did you take?

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Originally Posted by gab

Even if you took a double dose of 8mg of galantamine, you should be ok. Same with choline. How much did you take?

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Yeah thanks. Im feeling a bit better now. Just small bouts of nausea and some tingling of the limbs. I still won't make that mistake again. My advice for new users (like myself), dont rely on these supplements to actually give you a lucid dream or even do anything major. It may lead to you believing that you hadn't taken anything in the first place. Excuse me if I sound like a gronk, but I'm still a lil dizzy. Also, hehe, don't self diagnose, that only leads to the conclusion that you've overdosed and freaks you out, haha :/