Sign a Greenpeace Petition!

**Ethereal** · 10-22-2009 12:50 PM

Hey guys, I don't want you to interpret this as spam. Truth be told I need to do something that benefits the community for a civics class. I know, eh?

Anyway, this is something I feel quite passionate about. I believe we need to act now and that we really need to act, not just go through the motions. Dreamviews is one of the most educated, polite forums on the net. Please, do a favour for the waking world and consider signing the following petitions.

Demand our Leader’s Lead!
Please consider contributing to the fight against climate change by signing Greenpeace’s Demand Our Leader’s Lead petition.

By signing this, you are speaking for the billions worldwide without access to the Internet, and adding your voice to the thousands of others demanding that the representatives of our countries stand together and face the dangers of climate change at the coming Copenhagen Climate Summit. Please, do your part for the world and follow the link below.
http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...climate-summit

While you’re at it…
Have you considered signing the KYOTOplus Petition for Concerned Canadians?
Canada is a developed, internationally active country that prides itself on cooperating with its fellow countries. The Government of Canada has been warned about the consequences of climate change, but its leaders still aren’t listening.
Please, lend a hand and urge Canada’s government to do it’s part in fighting global climate change by following the below link and signing the petition.
Sign Greenpeace’s KYOTOplus petition:
http://www.kyotoplus.ca/en/index.html

Envisagez s'il vous plaît de signer la pétition de KyotoPlus pour tout les Canadiennes inquiétés.
Canada est un pays développé et actif mondialement, qui s'enorgueillis de sa coopération avec la communauté internationale. D’ailleurs, le gouvernement n’écoute pas les alertes données sur le réchauffement climatique.
Pouvez-vous nous donnez un coup de mains en signant cette pétition :
Signez la pétition KYOTOplus de Greenpeace
http://www.kyotoplus.ca/fr/index.html

Thank you, and I apologize if this is in the wrong forum.

**panta-rei** · 10-22-2009 08:45 PM

I find it really awesome that no one has commented on this yet.

I'll take a look at it.

**grasshoppa** · 10-22-2009 09:40 PM

Our climate has been changing for millions of years, human affect on this change is negligible.

Greenpeace and kyoto are bullshit. OOooohhh Canada!

**panta-rei** · 10-22-2009 09:42 PM

That's extremely arguable, grasshoppa.

**grasshoppa** · 10-22-2009 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Delphinus

That's extremely arguable, grasshoppa.

oh, thanks for letting me know.

**panta-rei** · 10-22-2009 09:49 PM

Well. It's extremely ignorant to say that humans are having no effect on tempuratures worldwide.

Yes, they change significantly in millions of years, but humans are excellerating this.

I suggest we soon stop discussion before we go even more offtopic...

**O'nus** · 10-22-2009 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

Our climate has been changing for millions of years, human affect on this change is negligible.

Greenpeace and kyoto are bullshit. OOooohhh Canada!

Anthropogenic gases are definitively provable.

We can do something about it.

But... do we want to..?

Nope.

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**grasshoppa** · 10-22-2009 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Delphinus

Well. It's extremely ignorant to say that humans are having no effect on tempuratures worldwide.

Recall:

human affect on this change is negligible.

**panta-rei** · 10-22-2009 10:56 PM

Fine. I reiterate.

Humans have a substantial effect. Not negligible.

**Lëzen** · 10-23-2009 12:14 AM

^[citation needed]

Of course humans have had some effect here. But whether it's a particularly significant impact is what scientists are still debating. Of course, the scientists we see on T.V. all the time are the ones telling us that "We did this, it's time to act now, blah blah blah." But I see all that as a bunch of propaganda set up by people like Gore to try and guilt people into helping to clean up the environment.

Not that helping the environment is a bad thing. Not at all. It's just kinda...low, putting it in the guise of "see what your carelessness has done? You people have caused global warming!" Eat my ass.

The key point is that because global warming is something that would have happened even without humans fucking up the environment (with our excessive emissions and what have you), A) we're not solely responsible and B) there's nothing we can do to quote/unquote "stop" it. Stopping the progression of global warming - or even slowing it substantially, for that matter - is nothing but a pipe dream. It's gonna happen, no matter what we do or don't do. So if you recycle, drive a Prius, and buy only local produce, kudos to you for living an expensive life laden with inconveniences. Doesn't mean those who aren't doing the above are to blame for all this.

To me, it all sounds like a huge cop-out...one big excuse not to do what every other animal does when they're subjected to change: Adapt. I thought humans were resiliant and highly adaptable, but apparently not so much as I had previously thought.

**Ethereal** · 10-23-2009 12:34 AM

Point of interest; the only argument towards global warming comes from scientists hired by big oil companies.

**O'nus** · 10-26-2009 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Point of interest; the only argument towards global warming comes from scientists hired by big oil companies.

Wrong.

The biggest proponent for global warming comes from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the United Nations.

The IPCC does not own oil.

Originally Posted by Lëzen

Of course humans have had some effect here. But whether it's a particularly significant impact is what scientists are still debating. Of course, the scientists we see on T.V. all the time are the ones telling us that "We did this, it's time to act now, blah blah blah." But I see all that as a bunch of propaganda set up by people like Gore to try and guilt people into helping to clean up the environment.

Not that helping the environment is a bad thing. Not at all. It's just kinda...low, putting it in the guise of "see what your carelessness has done? You people have caused global warming!" Eat my ass.

The key point is that because global warming is something that would have happened even without humans fucking up the environment (with our excessive emissions and what have you), A) we're not solely responsible and B) there's nothing we can do to quote/unquote "stop" it. Stopping the progression of global warming - or even slowing it substantially, for that matter - is nothing but a pipe dream. It's gonna happen, no matter what we do or don't do. So if you recycle, drive a Prius, and buy only local produce, kudos to you for living an expensive life laden with inconveniences. Doesn't mean those who aren't doing the above are to blame for all this.

To me, it all sounds like a huge cop-out...one big excuse not to do what every other animal does when they're subjected to change: Adapt. I thought humans were resiliant and highly adaptable, but apparently not so much as I had previously thought.

I guess you guys do not consider evidence before you talk nonsense. Consider the following:

I hope the evidence speaks for itself and that this has been enlightening.

I would like to note that a lot of people like to deny global warming and yet I have yet to see arguments, or even citations, against the proposed evidence. Instead, it is feeble attacks at the credibility. Consider where the evidence comes from; IPCC and the UN.

~

**grasshoppa** · 10-26-2009 02:29 AM

Nice post as always O'nus.

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