Thread: Just a little something i'd like to put forward to all humans.

Hey, if you're so hellbent on making this world a better place, why don't you go give donations to every charity that supports those causes?

Not too big on it now, eh?

Every charity? I help in my own way. Obviously i cant afford to give to EVERY charity but together, everyone could thats why i need the help of as many other people as i can.
This is the trouble with starting something, people don't listen to 1 15 year old high schooler but if everyone else was doing it... wouldn't you?

If not, it's people like you who are too damn lazy to do anything about it.

Sorry for being pessimistic and all but i just need to get my points across.

I agree with you but try worrying about some real problems, not trendy Hollywood problems.

I was going to type a list but I can't be arsed.

How'd you mean?

I mean that many of the problems you listed are really a smoke screen for far graver problems that get no media attention. People are always worrying about the symbolic problems like 'human rights' and ignoring the issues that threaten the very foundation of our civilisation.

Ahh... gotcha.

These are such cliché problems to 'worry' about. My guess is that you don't even care particularly that much, but that you want people to think you do.

I help in my own way

As well as presenting it all in a gratingly pious manner:

In my opinion, we have left it too late and everything should have been sorted out when it started.

Unfortunately there are just too many disadvantages to solving these problems. using poverty as an example, where would all the extra food come from?

How about global warming? Ideally we would all use hydrogen-cell cars, but they use fossil fuel energy to extract the hydrogen.


My advise for solving some of these problems? Pour massive amounts of funding into nuclear fusion.

Global warming is the very paragon of trendy cliche smokescreen problems. The whole thing is a greenie's marijuana trip. I'm not going to argue about that point though because we'll be here all year.

Third world poverty is a good example of people misinterpreting a genuine problem. The issue is not a food shortage per se; it is why poor countries never progress towards being able to produce enough food. Looking at the sort of governments in power in these countries gives a clue.

I should probably write what I believe the real problems are. I'll do it tomorrow if I can be bothered.*

*Procrastination should probably be on the list

Originally Posted by paragon

Third world poverty is a good example of people misinterpreting a genuine problem. The issue is not a food shortage per se; it is why poor countries never progress towards being able to produce enough food. Looking at the sort of governments in power in these countries gives a clue.

This is true. I retract my previous statement concerning poverty.

I have a question. Not that I don't love animals (I really, really do), but...

How would certain species going extinct harm future generations? I mean yes if all the mosquitoes died then we would eventually be screwed, but I'm talking about endangered animals that we all love but whose existence probably wouldn't make a difference. Like pandas, or the hybrid spider monkey or whatever.

Meh maybe I should make a separate thread...

Exactly. Like many environmentalist arguments, it’s purely emotional. I think extinctions are rather sad; as is deforestation – but it’s hardly on the list of humanity’s most pressing concerns. It’s not in the same category as the popularity of Coldplay, for example.

Why would you care about the future of the planet? It's not like you're gonna be here when shit hits the fan fatally.

Also, I agree with Goldney. If we can get to control fusion, we will have more energy than we'll ever need.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Why would you care about the future of the planet? It's not like you're gonna be here when shit hits the fan fatally.

Well. Because maybe he cares about more than just himself... ?

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Well. Because maybe he cares about more than just himself... ?

Who on earth has a personality trait like that?

Not many people these days, which is a big reason why we got into this mess in the first place.

That'd be on my list.

Yes, let's make people start giving a damn about people other than themselves. *coughchristianitybuddhismcough*

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

Yes, let's make people start giving a damn about people other than themselves. *coughchristianitybuddhismcough*

Wait wat?

Sarcasm. Religion isn't a good long-term motivator to get people to be aware of themselves and the world around them, and attempt to better everything even at the cost of some of their own pleasures in life...

Let's throw a party instead. Humans love to party.

I heard mass-suicide is a good get-together activity.

Paragon could you please list what you think the REAL world issues are? I'm curious.

Originally posted by Chuck Palahniuk For thousands of years, human beings had screwed up and trashed and crapped on this planet, and now history expected me to clean up after everyone. I have to wash out and flatten my soup cans. And account for every drop of used motor oil. And I have to foot the bill for nuclear waste and buried gasoline tanks and landfilled toxic sludge dumped a generation before I was born... We wanted to blast the world free of history.... picture yourself planting radishes and seed potatoes on the fifteenth green of a forgotten golf course. You'll hunt elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center, and dig clams next to the skeleton of the Space Needle leaning at a forty-five degree angle. We'll paint the skyscrapers with huge totem faces and goblin tikis, and every evening what's left of mankind will retreat to empty zoos and lock itself in cages as protection against the bears and big cats and wolves that pace and watch us from outside the cage bars at night. Imagine stalking elk past department store windows and stinking racks of beautiful rotting dresses and tuxedos on hangers; you'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life, and you'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. Jack and the beanstalk, you'll climb up through the dripping forest canopy and the air will be so clean you'll see tiny figures pounding corn and laying strips of venison to dry in the empty car pool lane of an abandoned superhighway stretching eight-lanes-wide and August-hot for a thousand miles. No. Recycling and speed limits are bull.

I just thought I'd post that. Not that I neccessarily agree with it, but just that it kind of goes along with what people are saying.

Originally Posted by CrescentFox

Paragon could you please list what you think the REAL world issues are? I'm curious.

Someone is interested in anything I have to say?

I'm working on it.

DD, I really don't know what you're on about...Can't tell when you're being sarcastic and when you're aren't.*

*By the way, I was being sarcastic

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

Who on earth has a personality trait like that?

Everyone who is not a psychopath by definition, I suppose.

One of the biggest problem present on this planet in my opinion, is ignorance.

Sure, I understand how broad that sounds, but here's my perspective:

First, I believe everybody needs to realize how precious of a planet we inhabit. We are lucky enough to be part of this phenomenal experience we call Life, and to have such a beautiful ground to live on. I don't know how many of you believe in evolution, but either way, this planet was here before us. It's more than our mother, it's our creator. We definitely owe it a LOT of respect.

By believing that the self is the only worthy aspect to care for, it is inevitable to care for the earth as well, for all the necessary nutrients and resources needed come from it. It is ignorant to believe that what happens after death is meaningless. Unfortunately, this is what a large percent of earth's inhabitants believe. Why exactly is it so? Where does this ignorance root from?

Problems like third world country famines, deforestation, and the extinction of many species all root from that very ignorance. The lack of respect we treat the earth, and ourselves with. Famines happen because we focus on each country individually instead of looking at things from a wider perspective. This problem applies on a self-fulfilling scale as well. We have enough food for everybody on the planet, we just don't know how to distribute it evenly.
Deforestation may seem completely irrelevant, for we personally don't realize the consequences. It is not just the deforestation itself that hurts, it's the constant exploitation of resources. Taking without giving.
Animal extinctions sure is emotional. But even more, it's the death of a co-existing organism that is just as important as we are. We may be super animals, but we are animals too. Just because we can build fancy MP3 players, and manipulate our neighbor's mind and persuading him that he *needs* it, doesn't make us gods. It makes us smart, yet immoral and selfish organisms.

Ok so...sure, now we understand that we are, in fact, a selfish and destructive bunch. What do we do now? How do we change the state of the earth? By changing ourselves, individually, first. It certainly is a tough challenge, and it may not be very motivating for it may seem almost impossible, but change happens one step at a time. Now this may sound contradictory to what I previously said, but if you think you don't leave a mark, well you do. As the OP mentioned, we all need to work together to attain a clear solution. We're all in this together, to separate ourselves from the group, the flow, is to give up and to coward from the problem. It is very easy to only care about ourselves, oh yes...it is so reassuring.

Well here's my challenge folks. Why don't you empower the purity of yourselves by abolishing ignorance in your own lives, and learn to look at things from a space high perspective. It is extremely motivating to work for a greater purpose than self, and life becomes a thousand times more interesting. Doors you didn't even know existed will open themselves and clarity will prevail.


By the way...don't worry. I also am a very selfish character, I can't help it. But I work hard at trying to overlook the ignorance, and I think it did me a lot of good so far. You all have it in you...open yourself to it. For with such a pure foundation, nothing but good, productive, and problem solving ideas will abound from our minds.

Good luck!