Thread: ~ * Ask me about Picking Up Women * ~

Originally Posted by Jorge

I have 20 billion points! I used a cheat code though..you?

I assume the art of picking up women to the underground pua community was still being referred to as a "game" considering the technology, techniques, and tactics being used, are adjusted and refined on a regular basis. Therefore a point equivocates to "one" woman you have bedded. In order to be discreet pua's refer to it as a "point system" instead of being outwardly blunt which could be offensive to some. I assumed you knew this...

Originally Posted by Jorge

Actually Mystery's show is completely BS, I believe it's all fake. TV is so percise on what is allowed on national television and there are so many strange things that are in that show.

Another negative about the show is that Mystery is using the same old material he's came up with 5 years ago. From that show it looks like he hasn't improved his material whatsoever. There's so much more new information that are more powerful than his. The only thing I see in his shows (which is still old info) is his openers he makes his students use.

" Can I ask your opinion? " "What do you girls think...." <---Same old information from years ago.


I can't believe he doesn't have more new and better information it dissapoints me. Mystery is great, no doubt. But he is still using his same old techniques, I wish he'd come up with some new stuff.

Either way, he's a great pick up artist.

I think a man whose bedded over 1,000 women has a lot of useful information to still give. If it ain't broke why fix it? Mystery's methods DO work. Simple duplication is the key. He teaches losers how to do what he does and it works. They still get the girls at the end of the day so why try and change a system that's working pretty damn good already? Besides, Mystery holds workshops which losers pay handsomely to attend...THAT is where he shelves out new diamonds and gems. It would be stupid to give the material out that people pay well into the thousands for over the television for free. He created a simple system to pickup and bed women that works nearly 100&#37; of the time...that doesn't need fixing. Revamping the system isn't necessary but changing up openers etc. are needed every so often (which he does). With that being said, I'm more of a Style's fan myself. He combines things he personally learned from the worlds greatest mPua's into what he does.

Cool opinion.

I see mystery as trying to make copys of himself, where I believe to have that person keep his same good traits and improve his not good traits to become a natural in the game.


Actually what you said about the pua community referring to the point system as in bedding how many girls you have is not 100&#37; true. I am apart of another great forums, that I think you'd like, but that's not the point. We actually have a Point system but doesn't involve with how many woman you've bedded.

It's a system that is a push and pull technique, when a girl does something good for you, you can reward her by giving her points. For example, " Hey you opened the door for me, you just got 5 points! " Playfully of course and you can tell her that once she gets a certain amount of points...she can redeem a prize. A kiss, hug, etc..

It's a pretty good technique actually, put's you in the leading position and builds attraction if done right. And also she can lose points, if she does something you don't like, etc..

All this done in a fun, playfull way. So take note of that one guys, it's pretty powerful.

Originally Posted by High Hunter

Good luck! Get lucky!

Ooo High Hunter! You're still here! I thought you left.

Originally Posted by Jorge

Cool opinion.

I see mystery as trying to make copys of himself, where I believe to have that person keep his same good traits and improve his not good traits to become a natural in the game.


Actually what you said about the pua community referring to the point system as in bedding how many girls you have is not 100&#37; true. I am apart of another great forums, that I think you'd like, but that's not the point. We actually have a Point system but doesn't involve with how many woman you've bedded.

It's a system that is a push and pull technique, when a girl does something good for you, you can reward her by giving her points. For example, " Hey you opened the door for me, you just got 5 points! " Playfully of course and you can tell her that once she gets a certain amount of points...she can redeem a prize. A kiss, hug, etc..

It's a pretty good technique actually, put's you in the leading position and builds attraction if done right. And also she can lose points, if she does something you don't like, etc..

All this done in a fun, playfull way. So take note of that one guys, it's pretty powerful.

Nice bro. The push and pull technique is phenomenal. I use it on targets 70 - 80% of the time. I also like the art of edification. I and my cousins used this while on vacation a couple of years ago and found out first hand how powerful it is. I'll share two storees.

While in a shoe store I and my cousin (whose a rising mPua) saw a very sexy latin woman who worked in the department, she was helping us try shoes on. I began discussing with my cousin (in a subtle semi-discreet way) of how he could invest the million dollars hee just made last year and he began suggesting ways I invest my 7 figure earnings as well (We had no millions.) He started coming up with suggestions and we noticed how her demeanor seemed to change. While she was putting the shoes on our feet, we discreetly watched her expressions as we continued chatting amongst ourselves. Her eyebrows raised a few times, her face blushed and a few smiles passed across her face. Though we were not talking to her or about ourselves directly to her, we were edifying each other through the subject matter of our conversation. She slipped me her number before we left without me saying a word to her. Keep in mind this is before I ever heard of the game or knew what pua's were or any techniques and tactics were that pua's use. The techniques he and I were having fun with were just simple things I learned in marketing workshops (like the art of edification).

My cousin's father bought him an iphone and gave him $500.00 bucks to buy clothes and other junk at the mall so we figure we'd use that next. We went into another store (hat/clothes store) and saw perfect tens at the cash register. He found some clothes and approached the register (he was 14 at the time and I was 17, I'm 20 now). I stood beside him and he took out his roll of 20's as the girls rang him up. He then told me (audibly enough so that they could hear him)..."Go pick up a couple hats, don't pick out anything less than 50 dollars". I picked one out and brought it back to the counter and the bill was like $200 something. I started whispering (but audibly enough to where they could hear it) about how we're late and the private jet might take off without us to which he responded something like "The record label knows I'm on vacation right now so they'll understand." We started walking away and the girls were smiling and staring at us. As my cousin walked off I then told the girls behind the register that he (my cousin) just got signed to G-unit as their youngest up and coming artist. Her jaw dropped and the other girl smiled and winked as we left.

Edification has one rule: You can edify anyone, anywhere, at anytime except yourself.

Anyway edification is extremely powerful, though unbeknown to me at the time...wingmen not only use it, but rely on it.

I'm not sure why I disclosed all that information...I suppose if there's anyone really interested in this besides ranma then there ya go. But yeah that's what catapulted us into the community. You said you're on a pua forum, pm me the details if you want. Don't discuss it here though.

Lol that's fuckin hilarious! Ga Ga Ga Ga GA GA G-Unit!


Great story dude, this edification reminds me of something called Status and Social Proof, ever heard of it? It's basically this edification thing you were explaing.

Reason why it works is because you can create your image anywhere. While you and your wingman teamed up to create an image of massive social proof. Basically *Proof* That your *Sociable* there's ton more on that subject, but I'll only mention it here.

That is what's apart of creating Interest and Attraction in a Woman.

Having many friends is Social Proof.

Everybody in the party knows you and tells you " Hey! What's Up!? " is Social Proof.

Being able to hold a conversation and creat a fun one, is Social Proof.


So I know exactly your technique, that's great. Although, I wouldn't lie to that extremes because saying...

" The record label knows I'm on vacation right now so they'll understand. "

..is too much in my opinion haha, but whatever your style is great, stay up!

Thanks, and yeah I wouldn't do that again (maybe) but that was almost 4 years ago. What'sup with the link in your sig btw?

The Crash Course & The New Breed link in my signature is an e-book that I want to share with everybody. I wouldn't it call advertising, because it's completely free no strings attached, well if you call entering your e-mail a string..then I guess.

It's more of a encyclopedia, all your questions on learning and becoming really good at picking up are in that book. I'll tell you right now honestly, if your thinking about purchasing an e-book, get The Crash Course first. Most other books they charge you for, are not even as good as that free book in my link. Believe it or not, see for yourself.

You'd be surprised.

And I'm back again with another amazing article:

Personal Space

You need to give your girl space, let her do whatever she wants and have the attitude like you don't really care what it is. You may feel the need to fall into the mind state of wanting to always keep your girl around you so that you don't have to worry about her getting hit on while your not there, or even worse her cheating on you... but in reality if she is the type of girl that cheats then you don't want to be a LTR with her anyway, so her cheating on you is a good thing because it let's you know she's not worthy and allows you to end the relationship before you get in too deep.

Also, if you allow your girl to do what she wants then there is always the possibility that she might cheat... but if you keep her on lock down then in the end she will almost surely cheat when she gets the chance, because by doing that you are displaying insecure, needy traits and when a real alpha male comes along she will jump at the chance to get with him.

Here is how AFCs and Alphas think about this differently : When an AFC's girl is out with her friends he thinks "What is she doing? Is she getting hit on by other guys? Is she having fun without me?"... his mind is constantly on HER. When an Alpha's girl goes out he thinks "Nice! Now I'M free to go have some fun as well"... his mind is on HIM.

However, even though you should allow your girl to do as she wishes, DO NOT let her do it at your expense. Meaning that when she goes out alone do not let her take YOUR car and spend YOUR money... if she wants to go off on her own then it should be just that, on her OWN. Being successful in a LTR is all about maintaining your alpha status and not letting her turn you into a nice guy, and a part of that is not letting her take advantage of you by using your stuff for things that do not involve you. Girls always say that they want a nice guy, but what they really want is a bad boy that they can turn into a nice guy. Don't let it happen to you, because as soon as it does you WILL lose her.

Gift Giving

NEVER buy random gifts for your girl, this is a urban myth that most men follow simply because they think that in order to keep their girl they need to grab the occasional dozen roses on the way over to her place. Women will say "Awww your so sweet" but they are really thinking that you are a push-over and that they've got you whipped and primed to be taken advantage of. They will then proceed to milk you for everything that you'll dish out until some confident guy comes along ready to treat them like shit, then they'll leave you for him.

Even on holidays where gift giving is mandatory, you shouldn't make an extreme effort to please her. That means don't go all out buying her 15 different little things and then one expensive big ticket item, buy her one small thing and be done with it. The best method for these situations it to make her gift something that you can benefit from as well, for example I like to take my girl to concerts, theme parks, comedy shows, or small vacations for her birthday... so I can have some fun too.

In The Bedroom

If you want to keep any decent girl for a long period of time you will need to be at least fairly skilled at laying the pipe. Many men get ditched or cheated on by their girlfriends because of their inability to satisfy them in the sack, so don't let yourself be added to that list. Training yourself to be good at sex is a great skill to have for not only LTRs but for general dating as well, because when you are dating random women and not looking for a LTR being a great lover will guarantee that you will get return sex often and also help you maintain your booty calls for as long as you wish.

During a long term relationships is the BEST time for you to practice your sexual techniques, because both you and your partner will be totally comfortable with each other and will have a greater level of sexual communication than you would with a stranger or a girl you only have sex with occasionally. I recommend getting in as much "practice" as you can You should also experiment as much as possible with your LTR lover and try as many freaky things as possible, this also adds spice to your sex life and helps to keep the relationship healthy. Roleplaying and video taping also spices up your bedroom antics and adds a fun element as well.

If you need some good tips on becoming better at sex you should read my "How To Make A Girl Orgasm" article.

The LTR Alpha Male

Want to know the absolute BEST trick to maintaining your alphaness while in a LTR? Do exactly the opposite of what normal LTR guys do. Stare at other women while your girl is next to you, you can even make comments. Almost every day I'll be with my girl and I'll make comments on other women, whether negative or positive "Look, she's got a nice ass", "She's got a nice body but the face is ugly", "Wow that chick's got a pretty face". Don't be scared to say stuff like that. If you've got some hefty balls you can even talk to some other babes in front of your girl, a little jealousy is good for a relationship and it keeps you in total control.

In every relationship there is one dominant person and one submissive, if not then the relationship will never work. Two dominants don't mix because they will clash much too often, and two submissives won't mix because they both will feel a constant need to be dominated that is not being fulfilled. In order to be a LTR alpha you NEED to be the dominant person in your relationship. You do this by making sure that : when the two of you go out it is always to where YOU choose, when you take her to the movies you see the action or horror flick instead of the chick flick, when you have sex it is when YOU want it not just when she'll "let you", the list goes on. The bottom line is : It's your rules, your way, your the man and she knows it.

This is one of the funniest threads I've read on DV in a long while.

+1 for chauvanism.

Uggh my take on mystery. His entire game is based on convincing women you're something your not. Using magic, social proof, and demonstrating high value.

Magic tricks are just tricks. All tricks are based on fooling people. sure people get swept up in the magic but in the end they, know they've been fooled. And when the magic show is over it's time to get on with your life. In other words, that kind of stuff may get you super hot women, but for only a few nights, and emotionally they won't be high quality. They will end up resenting you because they will find out you used tricks and they will feel decieved.

Social proof mystery does by peackocking (wearing flashy clothes) and being more Alpha than the betas. he does this through ACTIVELY demonstrating high value. And the thing is, if you have to go out of your way to demonstrate your value - you don't have high value PERIOD. Mystery may get lots of $$ but his value is superficial. deep down he KNOWS he has no high value. He demonstrates this in the book "the game". when he attempts suicide after everytime a long term girl breaks up with him.

In order to have high value, you must feel yourself as high value. not demonstrating. Your social proof and high value come from Who you are. Not what you pretend to be. It comes from your general awareness of your social enviroment, and what actions you take based on that awareness. You don't have to use tricks, negs, DHV, or phases of attraction to have high value. You just have to be your genuine self. And when you are happy with being your genuine self, it shows up through your attitude in social situations.

If you don't think your genuine self is good. Find out what IS good about you and focus on that. Build up on that. and you will attract the right social situations naturally. and through experience you will instincively know how to handle them.

for example the other night at the bar i saw a guy sitting at the bar for over an hour by himself. He was staring into the crowds of people around him, but he wasn't a part of anything. So, While I was grabbing a drink i looked at him adn said "I've noticed you sitting here for over an hour. look at this room filled with people. don't sit here, go make some friends".

later on in the night he was talking to two girls that i was taking too and dancing with earlier. Did i go out alpha him like mystery would have? NO. i went up and said "good shit man, you're making friends". The girls started grabbing me and saying "see this guy's great. Not many people are like him."
And then i danced with them some more. I could have taken one home. but i didn't want to.

In fact Its hard to believe so many people dignified this thread with responses.

Ok I am so glad for this thread woohoo!
Well. As you might maybe know, I am a professional magician, a street magician, meaning I entertain random strangers at places like theme parks and parks ect.
I dont have any problems aproching or talking to girls or anything. I only have this specific problem.
So theres this girl, her name is Heidi. Shes amazing, I use to live and go to school were she went. And we use to talk all the itme and she would tell me everything visa-versa. One time in 6th grade, I asked her out, because her mom was all like "Heidi likes you alot Michael, you should ask her out" Her twin sister keep bugging me about it to. (I have a twin lol). So I did, then she said yes, then 5 mins later she dumped me I guess, she said "We are such grate friends, and I tell you everything, I dont ever want to get mad at you for anything, then dump you, and be mad at you for a long time, it would ruin us."
We always talked about moving in with each other in hollywood to pursue our careers. She is a model now, and wants to be an actor. I am a profesional hypnotist, and a semi-profesional magician, and I want to act when i get older and after I get an acting coach. So we always talked about that. She even said stuff like what she wanted our house to look like ect. But she never talked about mariage (Thank god, I was only in like 7th grade lol).
So I was not mad about the brake-up I really understood. I dont think she was just laying that on as an excuse.. Because we were both popular, and I dont think she is that shalow at all. even if she was, I dont think it would matter. But then I moved....... And now I am homeschooled. wich is so gey. And I tried to talk to her on myspace. it says she reads my messages I send her, but she never replies, unless its like a serious question, or something weirdish, like if I am comeing to her for advice.
I asked her how come she never wants to talk, and she said "My computer is messed up, I cant reply to messages." Even comments... But you can tell she talks to other people.. But she gave me her number, and when i called she was going to some buety padgent or something, and she would have to call me back, its been a month, and no call .
Now what? I wish I still lived there... I even have epic dreams about it. Like I see her in real life (In my dream) And we talk and its so amazing to hear her voice. I then always relize I am dreaming, then she gose away
so is there anything I can do? Maybe wait till I move out and move back were I use to live, with my nana. And ask her out to a lunch or something to catch up?
Please dont think I am a freak. All this has been going on over 4-5 years lol

Magic tricks are just tricks. All tricks are based on fooling people. sure people get swept up in the magic but in the end they, know they've been fooled. And when the magic show is over it's time to get on with your life. In other words, that kind of stuff may get you super hot women, but for only a few nights, and emotionally they won't be high quality. They will end up resenting you because they will find out you used tricks and they will feel decieved.

Geez.. Not unless your presentation is great!!!!!
You can make people think magic is real.
I like to tell people "You may look at this, and know it is fake, not real. But the fact, it looks amazing, and the fact that you are enjoying yourself is the only important part. The magic is not in my hands, the magic is in your eyes, and in your heart"

Originally Posted by magical mike

Geez.. Not unless your presentation is great!!!!!
You can make people think magic is real.
I like to tell people "You may look at this, and know it is fake, not real. But the fact, it looks amazing, and the fact that you are enjoying yourself is the only important part. The magic is not in my hands, the magic is in your eyes, and in your heart"

you missed my point entirely. If you do magic just for show and to win money, Then people don't mind being entertained or decieved.

I personally have an ethical problem with basing a personal relationship on that. I shouldn't have to use magic tricks, routines, and demonstrating high value to get into a personal relationship. I don't view women as objects for my satisfaction. I view them as human beings like me.

And i agree meeting women should be fun and enjoyable. I just choose to do it in a less deceitful way.

as for your girl problem. It sounds like she's trying to avoid you. the best advice i can give is to let her go. stop obsessing over her and find another girl. let her go. period. Remember she said being "just friends" was a way to not "lose you." if she talks to you again remind her of how that decision ruined your friendship with her. and then leave her alone.

Ok. I have asked her before if she is just avoiding me. But she said no.
I also asked her about another girl problem I had (My ex thread remember lol)
She told me "Tell her you have the most wonderful, pretiest bestist girlfirend in the world! And her name is Heidi! And I will ahndle her lol Or tell her you dont have fellins for her anymore"
So I dont think she is trying to avoid me, just maye I am not on her priority?
well. Dont make someone your priority, if you are only an option right? I still have so many strong fellings for her

Originally Posted by magical mike

Ok. I have asked her before if she is just avoiding me. But she said no.
I also asked her about another girl problem I had (My ex thread remember lol)
She told me "Tell her you have the most wonderful, pretiest bestist girlfirend in the world! And her name is Heidi! And I will ahndle her lol Or tell her you dont have fellins for her anymore"
So I dont think she is trying to avoid me, just maye I am not on her priority?
well. Dont make someone your priority, if you are only an option right? I still have so many strong fellings for her

then invite her to a party

good luck, bro!

Hey AirRick, long time no see bro

heehee, sup!!

I'm gonna hang around this thread more often, since I myself devoured pretty much every PUA e-book out there.

I'm not gonna lie, I disagree with a lot of the stuff out there, and most of the stuff I don't begin using because:

a) I already do use them
b) I think it's bullshit

lol, AmazeO XD, you have every right to feel the way you do towards Jorge. At first, I felt the same way. (on a side note, the one thing that bothers me is how every PUA material being sold has the same format: one REALLY long vertical page full of hype, hype, hype, and then the "order now" button...followed by testimonials that may or may not be fake ~ don't worry, Jorge, I know yours is free)

but here's the deal, every kind of PUA material out there teaches various concepts:

1) be an alpha male
2) have social proof
3) don't be a wussy, never kiss a woman's ass
4) neg, push-pull technique
5) cocky/funny
6) story-telling, multiple-threading
7) etc, etc, etc

basically, it all revolves around the behaviours a certain ideal man, period.

as for the ethical dilemma, here's a clip of Dr. Phil interviewing Savoy (one of the guys who hi-jacked the Mystery Method, but whatever)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HwB2xMFvwnE

towards the end of the interview(s), some woman in the audience (who's hot) says it's really fake when guys use the method, and that they're not showing their real selves, etc.

now, Dr Phil (who surprisingly endorses pick-up) has such a way with words, and replies with something like "Well, you women had someone teach you how to attract the opposite sex when you were younger, right? they taught you how to do your hair, your make-up, how to dress...." and everybody just shut up!

the art of pick-up is not a perfect practice, and it's not like it's entirely innocent, either. now, I don't wish to play the role of moral police (nor do I want to, I think those people are annoying)

on the other hand, a guy desperate to get a girl will do sneaky things, with or without pick-up techniques, to get a girl to sleep with him.

I believe you can use PUA techniques in either an honest or deceitful way.

It's a double-edged sword.

Anything in the world can be used for either bad or good, it's just the way things work.

cool air rick. i agree with a lot of what you said. Have you ever read Jugglers material. It is by far more unique than the typical pick up thing. his approach is so natural and the less deceitfull thing out there.

I just read Juggler's stuff the other night. I didn't really know much about it, although I've heard of it from time to time, but gave it a read after you mentioned it.

It's a more comforting "method" in which it doesn't rely on routines, and emphasizes the idea that you can open with anything. On the other hand, a part of me feels like it's almost an empty calorie read. Meaning, I didn't have to read much to get the general idea, I just had to skim it. A lot of it is filler.

See here, only people without game (or are working on their game) see this as a "science." Why? Because naturals do the same things and don't even think about it. In NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) it's a popular practice to just mimic the behaviors of successful people, no matter how insignificant the behavior, in order to achieve the same kind of success they do. This includes how one breathes, walks, talks....basically, how they carry themselves.

In my experience, though, the best advice I've gotten about women is from friends who know what they are doing. Their advice usually don't reflect those of PUA techniques, surprisingly, and I see them pull in cuties left and right.

To each his own. Some get girls because of the techniques they use the stuff they read in PUA material, and some get girls because they got a lot of money (believe me, it's a legitimate "way" to get girls). I personally don't know many people at all in real life who apply PUA techniques to score, and I'm not surprised, either. Any technique sold in exchange for money has "ulterior motive" somewhere there, because you can't truly put a price on a techinque, in my opinion.

If one really wants to share the secrets to getting women, he would do it because he wants others to experience that joy of scoring, not for money.

exactly. If i ever get good I would probly host local workshops with about 3 to 500 bucks a head. If i wanted help with bills or something.

I saw the dr.phil with savoy segment. BUT. i found this guy hysterical!

Picking up woman huh?


Hm, same way you'd pick up anyone else, as long as they aren't too heavy.

So there is a technique to actuly picking up wemon!? And books and stuff like that! Please someone tell it to me! I am a noob lol.
I think I could be good at this lol.. jk..

If your goal is to get laid, this stuff might be for you, but I urge anyone here to ignore that Long term relationship bullshit. No successful lasting relationship is built around dominating, controlling, or manipulative tactics. The best you will ever achieve is a relationship with a woman who has been tricked into staying with you and will eventually regret it and learn to hate you.

well that's the thing xaq. I'm not into manipulation and bullshit. I take what i can from this skill set for good purposes. not to use and manipulate.

and BTW i've had my fair share of being used and manipulated by women. and that's something i don't put up with.

both sexes have a tendancy to use and manipulate each other.