Thread: ~ * Ask me about Picking Up Women * ~

My Purpose

Now first things first. I am here to help men achieve success with women. The type of men that are nervous approaching, nervous to have a convo. Think women are godly and should be on a pedestal. I'm here to help men that have no idea how to get a women and have a relationship if they desire..

I believe any man can pick-up women, looks do not matter as much as someone thinks. It's only about 10% on your game, that I am sure of. Neither is being fat, or short, or anything you believe is a obstacle that you think keeps you from getting women you want..

I want to help all men willing to help themselves in the things I advise them to do..




Questions can deal with anything..

1. Approaching
2. Interest
3. Attraction
4. Comfort
5. Escalation
6. Close

I have been studying the art of seduction for many years, and I've become quite good at it. I want to help any guy willing to try and help himself with women. So now it just comes down to...

What's your problem?

My problem is that I have a deep-seated fear of rejection. I think that if one rejects me, they all will and that there's something wrong with me. This fear kept me from pursuing anyone and now I'm paying the price for the lack of emotional depth in my life that I would otherwise have with a woman.

So, my question is, how do I get over this mentality? Is it true that some people are just not meant to date?

How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

How do I pick up a girl when I'm there with another and have to take her home?

That came out wrong. She's my best friend, not a date

Originally Posted by ninja9578

How do I pick up a girl when I'm there with another and have to take her home?

That came out wrong. She's my best friend, not a date

Ok, your questions was major confusing --->

So your asking, How can you pick up a girl, when another girl is present and you have to take one of the girls home?


Ok, first thing you gotta do is make sure her friend is friends with you. Because once you start gaming, or she will definatly be a cockblock. When making friends with her friends, and you give them a "Fun" vibe they will talk good about you most times, when your not around. So that's step 1.

Actually before I got any furthur, I just re-read the part where you say "She's my best friend, not a date" she's your best friend you want to spit game at? If so, my friend you are in a bad spot. If she's your best friend then she already classifies you as a friend and not a possible partner. Let me know me know more about your "Friend Relationship"

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

Is the info you contain for learning to pick up a women to have sex with whenever I want starting from night 1?

If not, this is not the thread for me.

Maybe I'll find one that fits soon.

With the knowledge I'm sharing with you..yes. It can be used to pick-up girls like that. I'm sure you mean your at the club/bar, party and you want to spit some of your game and at the end of the night (w/o her being drunk) want her to want to ' bump uglies ' with you, then yes. This information will satisfy your desire.

Originally Posted by mini0991

My problem is that I have a deep-seated fear of rejection. I think that if one rejects me, they all will and that there's something wrong with me. This fear kept me from pursuing anyone and now I'm paying the price for the lack of emotional depth in my life that I would otherwise have with a woman.

So, my question is, how do I get over this mentality? Is it true that some people are just not meant to date?

NO! Your last question is 100% completely fasle! Any Internal Fear you have can be distinguished as water thrown over fire, that I can gurantee. It is, however up to you to do what I advise you to to get rid of you Approach Anxiety.

Do you think your willing to overcome your Fear of Approaching? Are you ready to actually go and approach a women regardless of how she looks, makes you feel? Are you ready to improve yourself and become who you truly want to be? <---Before you answer this, know in your own head that you are willing to change.

Originally Posted by suttsman

How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

Ok, this is quite easy actually. You might not like the answer though. Also, whatever you do DON'T ask her if she likes you. That will drive her away as quick as you can ask her that.There's 2 positions a girl can put you in...

The Friend Zone..and..The Possible Relationship Position

Obviously you do NOT want to be in the friend zone. The good news is that if you are, it can be changed but will take some time.

Let me ask you a question when you guys talk do these things happen?

• Does she Lead the Conversation?
• Does she talk to you about her ex-bf?
• Does she say "your such a good friend"
• Does she talk to you about her problems?

If she does, I am sorry but you are in The Friend Zone, once she classifies you as a friend. It will be awkward and weird when you try to game her. Not only will it break the friendship, but she will feel awkward whenever she's around you. So my friend..are you in the friend zone? If you are, then No she doesn't like you.

i tried to pick up a woman once... she was too heavy.

How can you tell if a girl likes you? I think this girl likes me, but I'd feel uncomfortable asking her out without knowing for sure.

this is pretty easy.
you: i like you.
her: I like you too.
or
her: oh thanks (doesn't like you)

It's pretty simple. Better to say "i like you" after you've just told her something she really likes and she's genuinely happy. you can generally feel this in your gut.

Is there a correlation between bust size and intelligence?

Originally Posted by Jorge

Ok, this is quite easy actually. You might not like the answer though. Also, whatever you do DON'T ask her if she likes you. That will drive her away as quick as you can ask her that.There's 2 positions a girl can put you in...

The Friend Zone..and..The Possible Relationship Position

Obviously you do NOT want to be in the friend zone. The good news is that if you are, it can be changed but will take some time.

Let me ask you a question when you guys talk do these things happen?

• Does she Lead the Conversation?
• Does she talk to you about her ex-bf?
• Does she say "your such a good friend"
• Does she talk to you about her problems?

If she does, I am sorry but you are in The Friend Zone, once she classifies you as a friend. It will be awkward and weird when you try to game her. Not only will it break the friendship, but she will feel awkward whenever she's around you. So my friend..are you in the friend zone? If you are, then No she doesn't like you.

Hmm... No, those things don't really happen. But that doesn't automatically mean she likes me.

By the looks of that chart, I have been in the friend zone so many times before!

And yeah, I agree, just asking her would be really bad. I know her friends, maybe I could ask them, in a less direct manner. Would that be good?

Oh, and another question: Where should I ask her out if/when I find out she likes me? Also when?

I swear, if this works out, I will owe you my soul.

Originally Posted by suttsman

Hmm... No, those things don't really happen. But that doesn't automatically mean she likes me.

By the looks of that chart, I have been in the friend zone so many times before!

And yeah, I agree, just asking her would be really bad. I know her friends, maybe I could ask them, in a less direct manner. Would that be good?

Oh, and another question: Where should I ask her out if/when I find out she likes me? Also when?

I swear, if this works out, I will owe you my soul.

First let me ask you, what age are you and the girls ?

Your right, just because the chart says your not in her friends zone, it doesn't mean she likes you as well. That chart's purpose was to see if you are in the friends zone because once your there, it's hard to get out of.


Asking her friends, is something kids do in elementary and some of highschool. That's not what you want to do. Take her on a date somewhere, I recommend that you take her to the mall. It's a fun, great atmosphere and there's so many unique ways to build attraction.

So let me introduce a unique technique to you. It's called SOE

Statement of Expectation

And what that is, is basically as the title says, make a statement of expectment. Examples:

Me: What do you prefer coffee or tea? (Indirect Question)
Girl:Coffee why?
Me:I know this little cafe' with the best imported European espresso machines, let's go you can buy me a cup.<---SOE

Another example:

Me: I really like Italian Cuisine! What's your favorite?
Girl:Mexican Food.
Me:Great there's this new Aztec restaurant that I have been dying to try we can go thursday night, I am told their Playa del Tostadas are great! SOE

Those my friends is whats called Statements of Expectation, it is so much greater than asking the typical boring:

"Would you like to go to dinner with me?"


It's works so much better, and increases your success major! You have just told her to go on a date with you in a polite and enticing way, and she will love it.


So use your own knowledge and come up with an SOE to ask her when you guys are talking, and mention where your going in a simliar fashion.

Also, don't worry about finding out if she likes, you take her to the mall. Display Leadership, and just having a great fun time. Bring positive energy when you two are there walking around. I also recommend you go in those little booths where you take pictures, and do funny poses as memories you'll both have, and have her create attraction towards you.

Have a lot of eye contact with her. Touch her on her arms, when walking that's called kino. Touch her a lot when you can. Have you ever been touched by a women and all of a sudden a sexual thought comes to mind? That's the power of kino, and it works much more stronger on women. Do it in a subtle way, and as much as you can.

Let me know if there's anything else you want to learn.

Originally Posted by Jorge

The information I contain isn't for learning to pick up a women to have sex and then leave.

Is the info you contain for learning to pick up a women to have sex with whenever I want starting from night 1?

If not, this is not the thread for me.

Maybe I'll find one that fits soon.

What if I can already pick up woman? Do I need your help?

Originally Posted by CoLd BlooDed

What if I can already pick up woman? Do I need your help?

Nope, but you can post advice here and help other guys out.


Also, if your just here bullshitting about nothing, then don't come here. This is a serious thread meant for serious people who want some help. Don't post if your not going to try and contribute or ask a question. It floods my thread and is really annoying.

Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Well there's this girl who I am interested in, but I have never spoken to her, and I changed schools before I worked up the courage. I almost worked up the courage, but I just couldn't handle the pressure due to the fact I had been informed it was only 3 days before I changed schools. I'm friends with her brother who is two years older than both of us and a senior. Any advice as to how I should go about making contact? The only two ways I can think of are running into her if I visit her brother or making friends with her friends who are my acquaintances.

You have never spoken to her? Good. You have better chances than the rest of the guys here. Because...

A. you are not her friend and
B. she has no idea how you are and what you are bringing to the table as you go and work your magic on her.




Ok I'm going to tell you this, you expect the girl to have the whole package. So that means "you" must have the whole package as well. You must know how to lead a conversation so you can show her that "you" are the man she desires.

I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.

Are you that guy?

If yes then congratulations you are that much closer to having this girl have massive attraction towards you.

If not, then you must work on yourself first. You must first have the whole package yourself. I believe you can achieve this if you put effort into your character and become a real man.

I am here for you whenever you feel you can't pass an obsticale whether it's Internal or External. Whatever you have a problem with I will help you out dude, that's why I am here. I want you to become the "Whole Package" women want. So I will teach you to become just that. So the question is..



Are you ready to become a man that a women desires?

Jorge's advice is sound and I think the hostility towards him and his method comes from overwhelming pressure to conform to feminist ideals as well as a complete misunderstanding of what he is trying to communicate.

Originally Posted by Jorge

I'll tell you right now, a woman wants a man who is a Real Man, a man who is not scared of anything, a man who strives to achieve his life's goal. A man who is living life on his own terms. A man who is outgoing, and a guy that can make any boring situation into a fun one.

Well, I'm not afraid of many things, I do have great ambitions, and I do live life on my own terms (it was my decision to change schools for my own reasons despite the fact that all my friends were still at my old school). I do not think I am very outgoing, however. I do feel I am quite an enjoyable person when I'm around people I'm comfortable with, but I'm not comfortable with too many people at once. Looks like I've got some working to do. Heck, I've got 2 4/6 years of highschool left, I can do it.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Ok, I got her to my house. Now how do I get her to stop screaming for help?

LOLZff

Originally Posted by Jorge

I believe any man can pick-up women, looks do not matter as much as someone thinks. It's only about 10% on your game, that I can gurantee you.

Disagree...

Carry on.

Originally Posted by Adam

Disagree...

Carry on.

I wish you would have brought more in your post. Why is it that you disagree? Do you know from experience? Let me post an Article a close friend of mine has written. Read it and let me know your thoughts.



Here's the Article:

Not Good Looking? Who Cares!


by The Player

Before we begin let me start off with a brief analogy...



By now I’m sure that you must have read about body language on this site, so you should know that even though most people spend a large majority of their lives talking... roughly 90% of the communication done between two people is actually non-verbal. With that said I can now move on to the main subject at hand, because in theory the game of dating and seduction as a whole works in a very similar fashion.



Allow me to explain :



Even though the modern world that we live in may place a huge emphasis on the way people look... in actuality your looks can only be given credit for about 10% of your ability to pick up women.



If that is the case, then what makes up the other 90%? Read on...



In reality, the only thing that good looks can do for a man is get visual attention from women... meaning that if you look like a male model women will most likely notice you faster than other men, which might seem like a good thing, but that is not always the case.

Throughout the history of human beings the males have been granted the role of the predator, and in turn females would take on the role of the prey. This is why women are naturally inclined to sit back and let the men come to them and express their interest, then make the decision to pursue a relationship or not. I’m sure you are familiar with this concept, so with that in mind why would the way you look mean much at all? It’s not like you will have women approaching you no matter how good you look, because that is the MAN’S role.

Master seducers know this, and that is why they do not waste their time worrying about if they look perfect, because that is the WOMAN’S role. Plus, a real player knows that he has the ability and skill to get any woman that he wants... all he needs to do is approach them and begin flirting. It does not matter if the girl is attracted to him at first sight or not, because he knows that he will get her regardless once the conversation ensues.

There are millions of men out there, right now, that are constantly worrying about how they look... and I’d be willing to bet that over half of them have no REAL skill when it comes to attracting and picking up women. They think that if they look their best the women will simply come running... but it never happens.

However, there are a select few who have taken the time to learn what really matters in the dating game, and even though they may still groom themselves properly... they understand that looks just get you to the door, while the rest is what gets you through it.

I am one of those men (but I have’nt always been), and I have dedicated my life to teaching guys just like you what I’ve learned through years of experience. If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one. However, the world is not like that and probably never will be... and up until now it has been up to guys to learn how to deal with women themselves, through trial and error.

Originally Posted by Jorge

If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one.

I totally know how he feels.

Originally Posted by Jorge

Marvo there's no need for your post in my thread, if your not going to contribue or ask a question don't even post. It's stupid why flood a thread with BS when it's purpose is to help other people out?

Because it's ridiculous and your use of font is making my eyes cry blood.

This is not SB; GTFO.

I have commented in red to your post, and added more at the end. Let me know your thoughts.

Originally Posted by Jorge

I wish you would have brought more in your post. Why is it that you disagree? Do you know from experience? Let me post an Article a close friend of mine has written. Read it and let me know your thoughts.

Here's the Article:

Not Good Looking? Who Cares!

by The Player

Before we begin let me start off with a brief analogy...

By now I’m sure that you must have read about body language on this site, so you should know that even though most people spend a large majority of their lives talking... roughly 90% of the communication done between two people is actually non-verbal. With that said I can now move on to the main subject at hand, because in theory the game of dating and seduction as a whole works in a very similar fashion.

Allow me to explain :

Even though the modern world that we live in may place a huge emphasis on the way people look... in actuality your looks can only be given credit for about 10% of your ability to pick up women. ~ hard to validate this claim. Initial attraction is surely close to 90% looks, granted this would depreciate faster than the value of the dollar as you get to know someone better, if your looks even got you far enough to be able to engage in conversation. You have to get your foot in the door, and that my friend is done on looks alone! You telling me that any guy, regardless of looks has a shot with any girl... Not buying it.

If that is the case, then what makes up the other 90%? Read on...

In reality, the only thing that good looks can do for a man is get visual attention from women... meaning that if you look like a male model women will most likely notice you faster than other men, which might seem like a good thing, but that is not always the case. ~ Don't agree, it gets you the foot in the door when first meeting a girl who you are interested in. If she spots you, you get the visual attention but she is not drawn to you, or attracted to you, game over. So by this rationale looks in fact are closer to 100% importance at outset.

Throughout the history of human beings the males have been granted the role of the predator, and in turn females would take on the role of the prey. This is why women are naturally inclined to sit back and let the men come to them and express their interest, then make the decision to pursue a relationship or not. I’m sure you are familiar with this concept, so with that in mind why would the way you look mean much at all? It’s not like you will have women approaching you no matter how good you look, because that is the MAN’S role. ~ This is about as socially unacceptable as saying it is the womans job to cook, clean and look after the man. The pertinant word here is 'history'. This is not history anymore, this is now and women have more power and respect than ever, so thinking like this is moronic and if anything, work against you. Giving the "I am man, I want..." approach I would have though would get you anywhere.

Master seducers know this, and that is why they do not waste their time worrying about if they look perfect, because that is the WOMAN’S role. Plus, a real player knows that he has the ability and skill to get any woman that he wants... all he needs to do is approach them and begin flirting. It does not matter if the girl is attracted to him at first sight or not, because he knows that he will get her regardless once the conversation ensues. ~ I don't even know where to start with this point... How shauvinist is this statement. Seducers and players?

There are millions of men out there, right now, that are constantly worrying about how they look... and I’d be willing to bet that over half of them have no REAL skill when it comes to attracting and picking up women. They think that if they look their best the women will simply come running... but it never happens.

However, there are a select few who have taken the time to learn what really matters in the dating game, and even though they may still groom themselves properly... they understand that looks just get you to the door, while the rest is what gets you through it. ~ I reiterate the point I was alluding to earlier. If looks don't get you to the door, then what good is it that you can bullshit your way into being with the girl?

I am one of those men (but I have’nt always been), and I have dedicated my life to teaching guys just like you what I’ve learned through years of experience. If there was a "Seduction 101" course taught in college, I would most likely be a professor at one. However, the world is not like that and probably never will be... and up until now it has been up to guys to learn how to deal with women themselves, through trial and error.

I really do think this type of attitude and arrogance will get you girls, but are they the type of girls you would want to be with? No self respecting girl is going to want to be with a player, or someone who thinks they're gods gift when they're not. Trust me when I say this, and here is living proof ((http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67391) looks are important.

I would love to welcome some thoughts from the opposite sex here. I just don't think you can expect to be with who ever you want just because you cna talk the talk. I am not saying that having a great personality and being able to talk to a girl and make her laugh is not important, not at all, I just don't think you can brush off the importance of attraction.

Cool, I respect your input on your thoughts. However respectfully I don't agree with them. It's life there's always, disagreements, issues, and problems. It's all how we deal with them. So once again thank you for that.


It will take too much time to reply to your thoughts, and a waste of time on both our part, and I'm here just to help guys that want to be helped.

However I will reply back to one of your thoughts and it's this one..

Originally Posted by Adam

I just don't think you can expect to be with who ever you want just because you Can talk the talk. I am not saying that having a great personality and being able to talk to a girl and make her laugh is not important, not at all, I just don't think you can brush off the importance of attraction.

I didn't say you can be with whoever you want just by talking. Of course there's so many parts in seduction, There's Interest, Attraction, Escaltion, and then you close. Close as in getting her number, going to an after party, getting her e-mail etc..

And those are just the 5 subjects in seduction, there's so much more to each subject and how it is supposed to be done. I am not in anyway emphasizing that you can "say this" or "say that" and you will get the girl. NO that is impossible. You must have both Inner Game and Outer Game.

When I say Game, I don't mean stupid little kid games, but real social dynamics that you must learn and improve on to get a girl attracted to you. There's so much more to learn, I'm simply giving them a quick approach to there situation, I am however going to post more information on doing a whole make-over change, because that's what it takes. Improvement in all subject necessary to be able to pick-up girls.

I just disagree with you, yes Good Looks will catch a girls eye, but if you have no game at all she will drop you like a hot fuckin potato. That I can guarantee, just because you have good looks, does not mean you will get the girl. And The Opposite effects are here too, just because your looks are not that great, doesn't mean you can't pick-up girls. It's how you are on the inside, and by inside I'm not talking about "Being Nice" "Being Kind" and saying "Your so beautiful.." NO that will get you no where!


I also wanted to comment this part as well:

[QUOTE=Adam;934250]


I really do think this type of attitude and arrogance will get you girls, but are they the type of girls you would want to be with? No self respecting girl is going to want to be with a player, or someone who thinks they're gods gift when they're not. Trust me when I say this, and here is living proof ((http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=67391) looks are important.

QUOTE]


Adam, you are taking it too far with the mindset they are trying to get across. Most men that need help are AFC's (Average Frustrated Chumps) that's where they need to move on from. They need to improve themselves, because they think of themselves lowly. Some think in there head "I'll never be able to get a girl" or "Girls just don't like me" blah blah blah BULLSHIT!

Any guy can pick up a women, but first you need to improve himself.

The word "Player" that is being used, is his style. Not what were trying to make guys become, although if they desire they can do that as well. When gaming girls, your never suppose to be Majorly Cocky. No that is bad and will drive women away because your just too cocky. Being Cocky is good so a certain point, then your just considered an asshole by the women.

Actually what we teach Adam, is to pick up a High Quality Women, so your statement is incorrect. There's plenty of men who can pick up quality women. The women that have the whole package. The women that most men will consider "Out of their League" but it's not impossible to learn, you just must know what information to learn.

A self-respecting woman, is a woman that expects a man to be a true man. When a guy walks in the club to a girl like that and he Say's "Can I buy you a drink?" She already puts him in a beta position, a lower position. she already knows she's not going home to sleep with this guy. And she will most likely quickly reject him.

What we teach at The Paragon Project, is to become a real man. A man that has high standards when gaming women. A man that goes and approaches a women he's interested in without being scared. A man that lives his life the way he wants, a man that lives life on his own terms.

We are all about improvement, and that is what my goal is here in this thread. To help other men, become Real Men with no fears on picking-up women.

This discussion is done.