DV Times: Issue 1 - Have your Say: Discussion Thread

[Adrenaline Junkie]

This is the discussion and voting thread for the "Have your Say" section in the DV Times newsletter. If you have not already read the article, please go to the Have your Say section of the DV Times Newsletter: Issue 1 and read this months article. Please keep this discussion civil and mature. If any members forcefully try to ruin this discussion thread then there will be consequences. This thread is for discussion of the issue being raised, that means the discussion of the forum itself, not any particular belief system. Lets keep this on topic and get some good discussion from this raised issue.

[Xox]

My article is at the top of the community section, I am so proud. I think that goes here - http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=61053

[♥Mark]

On topic is boring. We need all of our off topic sections, just not all the people who post there.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

My article is at the top of the community section, I am so proud. Wrong thread. Stay on topic to the R&S article please.

[Snowy Egypt]

Why bother? It's pointless trying to beat our different beliefs into each others head. It's a waste of energy, and it proves that not many of us can get along. The civilized topics get turned into crap. The crap topics become even worse. So again, why bother?

[Keitorin]

I don't think having an R/S thread is a bad thing, it's the part where we can't all get along that's bad. If that could be dealt with somehow, it might work. Then again, it's a lot of work 'keeping people in line', so it might be easier just to say no to it.

[Marvo]

What the fuck.

[Sornaensis]

Anyone and everyone who is whining about R/S might as well apply their silly argument, to, say, S/B. It is literally a spam forum and has no central theme. But that's okay, because there's a hodge-podge of controverstial garbage in their rather than just religious controversial junk. But I have a better idea: While were removing R/S we can ban people from having opinions and make everyone think the same way. I shall call it: Con-Asher.

[psychology student]

Anyone and everyone who is whining about R/S might as well apply their silly argument, to, say, S/B. It is literally a spam forum and has no central theme. But that's okay, because there's a hodge-podge of controverstial garbage in their rather than just religious controversial junk. But I have a better idea: While were removing R/S we can ban people from having opinions and make everyone think the same way. I shall call it: Con-Asher. The R/S forum de facto exists to make people think the same way: theists post, atheists deconstruct, and challenge their beliefs. This can only make people think in one direction.

[CoLd BlooDed]

It should be there to contain the Religious debates that would otherwise plague the rest of the forum. And we wouldn't want that now, would we.

[psychology student]

It should be there to contain the Religious debates that would otherwise plague the rest of the forum. And we wouldn't want that now, would we. Ah, but you must see that it doesn't contain the debates in entirety. People form grudges against one another within the confines of R/S, and bring those grudges to other parts of the forum.

[seeker28]

I think the R/S section serves an important function: to protect the rest of the forum from off-topic blather. Plus, it is occasionally fun to go there and poke the angry beasts just for shits and giggles.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

I think the R/S section serves an important function: to protect the rest of the forum from off-topic blather. Plus, it is occasionally fun to go there and poke the angry beasts just for shits and giggles. I do not think that it should act as a deterrent to off topic blather as you say. If a forum exists it should exist for its made purpose, the discussion of religion and spirituality. Though i would agree that there is some good discussion coming from R&S, there is a lot of hate coming from there also. This is a good community and it seems to be one of the down sides and is causing a lot of arguments and more. Why keep something that allows that to happen? Instead of moving the problem, why not face it head on. Say the forum is removed, people seem to believe that the arguments will move to the other forums. Maybe they will, but that does not mean that it can be prevented. If you tackle the problem head on it can be fixed, that's if things begin to spread, nobody knows what will happen until it is tried.

[GestaltAlteration]

Even if R/S isn't removed (which it won't be though a man can dream) I believe something must be done. Be it MUCH more havily moderated or limited access. This isn't about silencing logic. It's about stopping stupidity. You know something is amiss when a forum with a serious topic is being called the second senseless banter.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Even if R/S isn't removed (which it won't be though a man can dream) I believe something must be done. Be it MUCH more havily moderated or limited access. This isn't about silencing logic. It's about stopping stupidity. You know something is amiss when a forum with a serious topic is being called the second senseless banter. As contradictory as this may sound, i am all for the approach you suggest, i really am. But the reason i bring forth my view of having the forum removed is because i do not believe that it is something that the mods would want to remain consistent on. This is a lucid dreaming forum and i know that there is rarely any bad blood in the on topic sections but i would think that their primary role is to keep any eye on those sections as opposed to the off topic sections. I think it would require a lot of effort to clean this up plus very time consuming to make sure that there are no outbreaks of arguments and hate on a full time basis. There will always be disagreements and there will always be arguments over who is right and wrong and though removing the forum may seem like a bad move, it would likely be an under appreciated effort by the mod team to keep it clean, then you have to consider the mods personal views and beliefs, getting involved and knowing where to draw the line on a belief level can be difficult when in a position of authority and it could become quite biased. Obviously you can draw the line when it comes to hateful posts or what not, but i personally think that it would require a lot of time to clean it all up and keep it clean, i think this then raises the question, would it be worth all that effort just to keep one small part of the community happy?

[Xaqaria]

One has to take the good with the bad unless they want to become the oppressor they are trying to destroy. So far, everyone has made an "I hate such and such about R/S" thread, but at least most of us did it openly and still gave anyone who wanted it the chance to contradict and accepted the consequences. All this anonymity and talk of restrictions makes you sound like you are the one who refuses to be questioned (directed at no 'you' in particular). Either way, if its done away with, I'll meet you all in philosophy; I hear thats where those types of threads used to go anyway. If you can't talk about a subject, then you are surely wrong about it.

[Sornaensis]

Btw: If you don't like a forum, don't post there. The R/S forum de facto exists to make people think the same way: theists post, atheists deconstruct, and challenge their beliefs. This can only make people think in one direction. Well I don't see logic or reason stopping Ne-Yo from being stupid and illogical.

[Dreamhope11]

I don't think we need it because its just a place where everyone can have never ending arguments.

[Schmaven]

I enjoy the religion / spirituality forum. Although a lot of people seem to get into fights over some of the topics, I think there are other people who don't take it as personally and like the discussions. People need to lighten up and remember that an attack on your beliefs is not an attack on you. And there's always going to be someone who believes the opposite as you. The world would be quite boring if people's beliefs didn't vary.

[Scatterbrain]

While debates do get heated in the R/S forum, it's not like we start throwing insults left and right. To reach the point of voting on whether or not to remove the forum is what I'd call a storm of epic proportions in a tiny little cup. In the end it shouldn't really matter because no one is forced to visit the forum, if you don't like to be challenged then just don't enter.

[NostalgicHoney]

Is there any new views on this? It seems like a really popular forum, it's just too bad it's such a source for fighting. Opinions aren't a problem, can't stop people from having them. I guess as long as it doesn't just come down to people crowding in the side lines to watch the cross-spitting competitions in the rest of the forums!

[Rakjavik]

I think the tech talk forum should be removed as well. It is not relevant to LDs and someone disagreed with me about operating systems. /sarcasm

[Needcatscan]

I think the tech talk forum should be removed as well. It is not relevant to LDs and someone disagreed with me about operating systems. /sarcasm Exactly. If R/S is being voted on, it's time to vote on all the other off topic forums as well, especially the ones I don't post in so I can vote a "no" on those, or the ones where almost everyone disagrees with me about, I'll vote those "no" too. Give me a break. I'll agree with one point, which is the ad-hominems are thrown out more often, and much sooner, than they should be on many occasions by a certain select people. Other than that, if you don't want your beliefs questioned, don't come.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

I find it funny how serious some of you are taking this. Talk about being overprotective over a forum

[Rakjavik]

I find it funny how serious some of you are taking this. Talk about being overprotective over a forum For some of us, it's our favorite forum