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Of course your opinion applies. Each persons opinion carries the same weight. It's facts that make one opinion stronger then the other nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreshBrains
Please recommend them that book, if they have even one shred of willingness to quit I can guaruntee its the best thing you can do for them as a son.
excuse me, but when this topic was posted in a public forum i assumed that i would be able to respond to it. i stated my opinion on the matter and you shot at me... so i shot back.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
i repeat my last statement... because you have just justified it. dumb. ass.
Let me guess. You are a smoker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
Smoking builds tolerance to ... well... smoke.
Nonsmokers, in a smokey bar, for even a few minutes will suffer from symptoms of smoke inhalation which will linger for two weeks. First there will be coughing. Then the lungs and the sinuses will flood as the sensitive tissues attempt to clear the particulates away. This discomfort can last for days. Then the lungs and the sinuses clear of all the wasted white blood cells that went into the fight. This is where we have all of the hawking and coughing up of phlegm. This takes the better part of another week and a half.
All from the time it takes to have one beer in a smokey bar.
When was the last time you went into a smokey bar and saw even close to an equal number of non-smokers.
The Smoking Crowd has effectively run off the Non-Smokers.
I wonder that the Really Stupid Bar Owners worry of losing business when THEY HAVE ALREADY LOST SO MUCH BUSINESS. Nowadays, Non-Smokers are in the Majority. Bars would actually do MORE business by becoming smoke free.
OK, after shaking up the tree a bit, it is time I share my smoking history
I started at 19 as the friends I hung with were all smokers who were hooked. Except for this one guy who seemed to be able to smoke a pack in a few hours and not smoke for months. I first I could not stand it but as they say, if you can't beat them join them. We had the same interests apart from smoking. The only musicians in my little rural school.
I quit three years later but started again when I started my real job. All my bosses smoked and to keep up with the business ladder, I joined them.
Most the elite engineers in most companies I worked at smoked so I kept going.
When the first laws came into effect, I quit for a year. I started again when I realized I was left behind in the engineering department as most decisions were made outside while we smoked. So I started again.
A few years later I quit for six months. I quit socialising as well as all the people around me smoked when they went out. And an ex-smoker is very much annoyed by the smoke.
I spent the night at a friend’s house where she did not have AC. I could not sleep. It was 3 AM. I needed a cigarette so bad I was shaking. I went to the 24 hour store and bought a pack. I left it in the car and smoked 1 cigarette. I slept like a baby.
Three moths later, I went out and had a few beers with my friends who missed me going out with them. Smoke goes so well with beer. Mmmm. So I got the pack out. And smoked it all.
The CEO of my new job also smoked so, I kept going, talking shop outside and knowing business details my own boss and co-workers did not know about was kinda fun, I admit. Just climbing the ladder.
I went on business in Malaysia. They smoked inside (at work) there, yuk. So I smoked inside there as well just to bare with the humid hot stench.
20 years after I started, I smoke a half a pack a day and have quit 4-5 times.
I wrote this post as someone who understands the cigarette conundrum.
People are addicted. It’s hard to quit. We should all quit. But in the meantime we have people who smoke. In my area we are fewer and fewer more in major cities. In small towns, it’s different.
What really got me going is the way smokers in hospitals are treated. You smoke, it’s your problem. Get off the property. You are a patient here? Too bad. We will not provide for your situation. They won’t give smokers anything to alleviate their addiction while staying in. If you were a drug addict, they would…. Now, take your IV and just walk off the property. What a shame.
As for bars. In a large city. Removing smokers from the establishment does not create a conflict. In small rural towns, where bar addicts alone support the establishment (not much rotating business in rural towns), they have yet to replace lost patrons (which most of them smoke). The bars are empty, except for a few smokers/heavy drinkers loyal to the establishment. You can find them outside, in the rain, between beers. They haven’t quit yet. They are joined everyday by young people who start. It will never end it seems.
For schools, well they still have smokers there too. They just walk outside the property to do it. Meanwhile, no one cleans up after recess is over. When before, the janitor did (on school property). What a mess.
In restaurants. Well, as a smoker, I enjoy eating and not having to smell cigarettes from another smoker. That is good.
As far as smoking outside being OK, as far as it is away from people and doors. That is good. But when you are not allowed to shelter from the rain, well, can you just imagine the well meaning devil who thought about his one. Crazy bugerer.
When I quit (again). I probably will, I am not that much pro-smoke (I‘ll check out the info on how to quit, again), I will still have the same thoughts about the whole situation even when I find myselft gradually hating smokers (as I did the last times I quit).
Back on track…
Cheers!
Yes, reading what ICUUD had written above, it occurs to me that I may have been a bit disingenuous, in declaring that if only the Bars would forbid Smoking then all of the Nonskoking Drunks would fill the places up.
But the truth is that there are not such an equal amount of nonskoking drunks.
It seems the vices travel together.
But when I was younger I greatly enjoyed dancing. And women find it difficult to find dates when they would like to go out dancing. So I was rather in demand as a 'date'. But in so many cases, the bands were barroom bands and the rooms filled with smoke.
And it would make me sick. Two weeks at a time.
So one of my great enjoyments was suppressed... because of Smokers.
They say Smoking Kills.
Only not quickly enough.
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Originally Posted by Leo
i never thought i would agree with you on anything... ever... but you just proved me wrong.
people are responsible for what they do. smokers are slowly killing themselves...
they aren't denying that fact... they're just rationalizing it... that still doesn't make the fact any less deadly...
plus i think there are too many people on this bit of space dust... so smoking is a good cure.
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but on that same note leo... a non-smoker standing in a smoke filled bar needs to take responsibility for what he's doing... and not blame it on the smokers. if a business finds it profitable to allow smoking... why the fuck should they listen to you?
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Originally Posted by jacobo
Yeah, one time the Conservative Columnist George Will was on one of the Sunday Morning Discussion Shows and they were talking about the Social Security Crisis. His idea that it was a huge mistake to discourage smoking, simply because of the short term medical expenses, and that, overall, the rising mortality rate of smokers dropping dead would more than pay Society back for the medical bills. .
Its against the law and unseemly to kill people outright. But if you can sell them an adictive product that does the same thing... way cool!
Anyway, the other columnists knew that such a discussion could not happen on Sunday Morning, on national TV and they quickly changed the subject.
On Sunday Morning you just don't examine all the ways that Death is a Good Thing.