Because rape's hawt duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
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Because rape's hawt duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
You may think you're being funny or clever, but tell that to victims of rape. It's not something to be taken lightly, so quit being a jackass. I'm all for porn as long as it clearly involves consent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seroquel
Deery, if you'd like something more artistic, you should go to either Redtube or Pornhub (I forget which one has it, maybe both) and type "x-art" or "x art" into the search. The actual website for X-Art makes you pay, of course, but one or both of the sites I mentioned has a few of the full videos for free. :cookiemonster:
If I get an infraction for naming porn sites, IT WAS WORTH IT. But all I did was name them, not link them, so I should be okay, right?
You do know how to stir things up, don't you? :shadewink:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
You're misunderstanding the meaning of pornographic. You seem to be talking about hardcore. There's also soft porn. I re-post the definition: "pornography: creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire. "Quote:
LOL. Sure, they're cute to oggle over on that thread, but I can't imagine ever "getting off" on that thread. You'd have to add nude, explicit pics to make it pornographic.
Remember, the thread is about looking at porn, not masturbating. Well ok, the OP did say watch, which implies video, but porn also includes still images and written material (I originally wrote literature but thought better of it). And what you have to take into consideration is the main purpose - what the creators were aiming for when they decided to produce it. To be considered art it generally needs to be some form of commentary on society, the human condition, or on art itself (which is what modern art is). While there certainly is creativity put into making commercials and pornography, that's secondary to its main intent. I don't believe anybody ever produced porn because they had a burning need to make artistic statements with it. Same for commercials - though of course plenty of artists have worked commercially producing commercials, those don't won't be going into their portfolio (unless it's a commercial portfolio of course) or onto gallery walls. And porn isn't going to be shown alongside artistic films or photography - again, unless it's not so much an artistic venue as a pop culture or "low art" one. Man candy (or sexy hawt female) photography would work as commercial photography, but not as art.
**Added note -- often artistic photography is done using nude or semi-nude models. What makes it art rather than porn is whether the artist is making a statement, which in photography often means concentrating on the formal elements of art - composition, line, texture, form etc. Again, there's a lot of overlap here between the two, hard to draw a definitive line. **
None of this is a value judgment.
I think that's also a misreading of the definition. It didn't say low, and it didn't say with no artistic value at all, but "no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire. As I said above, there is often some artistry associated with the shooting or the story or whatever, but usually as an afterthought, and it's the main purpose of the piece that needs to be considered. Was it made to turn people on? Or to make an actual artistic statement? If the latter, then it really doesn't qualify as pornography (though the moral majority would try like hell to make it) but probably as erotic film or literature.Quote:
the idea that porn isn't legitimate to make, just a "low" production with no artistic value
There is a fairly wide gray zone here... a lot of movies that can be hard to classify - especially if they're made in Europe or the 70's. In some cases a director may have intended to make art and failed, and in some he may have only been shooting for porn and somehow accidentally made an actual relevant statement that makes it art. But if there are extensive long scenes of nothing but sex that do nothing to advance a plot or idea other than said sex, then it's porn.
I guess this convo could also include the genre known as torture porn - like the Saw movies. Same definition, but substitute torture for sex.
Dammit Deery, you posted this just to make me reveal my embarrassingly extensive knowledge on the subject, didn't you? :paranoid:
:3 I'll never look at you the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tara
since greenhavocs posts have been deleted, someone should delete deery's post which quotes the site :/
Done. No more links guys. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarflare
:pfft:
Like you really need DV members to tell you where the good stuff is at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solarflare
There is nothing wrong to it. Sometimes I just watch it with no intention to do anything else. Although, I don't actually like the idea of porn so much. I want to think that everytime I see a woman naked and have sex with her, it is special.
Ron Jeremy once said that he has hard time to have hard on nowadays. He has seen it all. It dulls your instincts.
I think masturbation is quite essential. It is having fun with your own self, for your own satisfaction. It is more interacting with your own mind than with emotional ties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
I don't like to confuse sex with emotions that much. Sure they can be together and it is wonderful then, but they can as well be separated and still be very wonderful. Besides, I think the main reason ( at least for men ) is very much psychological. It is more about getting laid than the actual act sometimes. This is also the one reason I don't like.. too easy chicks. It is not just that fun, even if they are amazing looking.
Weird, my ex loves gay porn. I wonder sometimes if gay porn will ever become the fetish it is as lesbian porn is for men. :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
Congrats on your 100th post. And, your ex is awesome.
Yep, I agree with this. Not out of principle; it's simply not attractive. Mainstream porn is like a horny twelve-year-old's conception of sex or something... it's either repulsive or laughably puerile.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer
What would make porn better though?
They've tried various approaches - adding a story and "acting", making it all sensitive and romantic, and generally those just detract from it's real purpose. I mean, it ain't supposed to be Masterpiece Theatre! I guess people who are disgusted by it are expressing disgust for the nature of the male sex drive - because when it hits it turns us into horny 12 year olds!!
I'm not disgusted by the male sex drive; neither am I disgusted by the female sex drive. But sex drive is not the same thing as a desire to objectify, degrade, and domineer, yet that's really what mainstream porn caters to.
You must be watching the really nasty stuff!! :lol:
If two (or more) people are having sex and enjoying it (or pretending to), is one of them being dominated degraded and objectified? And which one? Both perhaps?
It's not just extreme physical stuff; that basic mentality in various degrees is basically what most porn seems to me to be about. The women are normally semi-retarded. They never represent anything more than a body.
Like I said though, that's only half of it. The other half is just how stupid and fake and superficial it all is. It's like a caricature really. It doesn't resemble actual sex in any way, except in the basic inny-outy details.
Personally when I'm all horny and whatnot I'd rather not sit down and listen to two real women's intellectual conversations. Its like a movie, you don't watch it because its 100% relate able and real, you watch it to be entertained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
I guess that's because the people who become porn stars generally were raped or molested as kids, and they have issues. I think they honestly love that type of behavior - and I say if a woman wants to be spit on and slapped around, then that's fine. Let them do what they enjoy and are good at, so those of us who unfortunately suffer from opposite issues (ie not getting laid) can also enjoy it.
I don't know, I think if I saw a movie with people actually respecting each other and being all intimate and loving, I'd feel like I was invading their privacy and get embarrassed. :oops: And not turned on at all. When I'm looking to roll one out I want to see wild creative sex by people who are really good at it - and those are gonna tend to be the girls with the daddy issues. Just my take on it.
Sure. I'm just saying that that's how most porn is. And personally it doesn't do anything for me, I just find it unpleasant or funny.
Ok - fair enough.
not even really sensual lesbian porn :(?
Well that wouldn't really fit into the categories I was talking about. ;V
I agree. I hold sentimental values in high regards, so there's zero satisfactory without a partner. As for porn - never watched it before; seems like a complete waste of my time. I get mental satisfaction from intellectual pursuits and physical satisfaction from sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Thank You! And not really, I was dumped hardcore. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by mooseantlers
Wow that's a different take on it. I always thought that porn stars were just really bad actors who thought they could act but really couldn't, and thus resorted to being a pornographic actor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
What about a third category?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePieMan
Sexual Satisfaction: Porn / Sex