Thread: Rant and Rave, Cry and Complain

Originally Posted by dave1701

Turkey Vulture? Dog? Raccoon?

Yea that is weird that only the head would be gone.

EDIT: BEGIN RANT

How can some people be so optimistic and happy all the time? I go to school and see all these people who look like they are having fun socializing and stuff. I'm sure they get mad but they just seem to never be in shy, depressed, highly intellectual modes like I get into almost every day. I need to snap out of this shit. It's pissing me off. I'm in a fog half my day. I have no social life. I have no real friends. I have things that I am supposed to do but all I end up doing is things like sitting on DV complaining about my inadequacies. There is a difference between being shy and what I am. I don't know how I got into this cycle of loneliness and solidarity in public, but it needs to stop. I hate it. Isn't that weird? I am a very solitary/boring person who seems to choose not to participate yet I need others more than I thought.

I know I can become an interesting, entertaining and fun person to talk to- I've done it before. I just can't seem to do it. I go out in public and talk to people and stuff and my brain just stops working. I come off as dumb and boring. I don't know if it is a confidence issue, whatever the hell you want to call it, it is really pissing me off these days. I feel like I would be better off just forcing myself to be outgoing and loud and shit- but that's not the person I am either. And this rant didn't clear up my mind either.... Maybe a good nights sleep will. I admire anyone who bothered reading this

My cheese-aging refrigerator is NOT for your beer! > : |

I have to respond to this. I'm not entirely pro-government and I'm certainly not against marijuana but I have to respond.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

I'll believe that when I see it. People all over the world smoke weed daily for decades without any reports of these problems ever showing up.

People also smoke cigarettes daily for decades and show no ill effects. But if weed-smokers were to smoke 20-60 joints a day(like a cigarette smoker) I bet many would die out simply because they forgot what they were doing on the way to get food when they got the munchies, let alone other ill-effects.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

This one is just blatantly wrong. I've never met anyone who had daily coughing problems or anything like that from smoking weed, and like I said there are never reports of lung diseases from it. But I could've told you that, you don't really need to read past ".gov".

Just because YOU haven't met anyone with problems doesn't mean they don't exist. I never knew anyone with cancer until I was older. I had never dated anyone who died until I was older. Sometimes you have to expand your circle of influence before you encounter people with issues. As for reports of lung disease, see above. People don't smoke weed nearly as heavily as cigarettes, and you would have to be very naive to think that increased inhalation of particulate matter isn't going to do any damage. It doesn't matter if you're smoking pot, standing next to a campfire, or inhaling incense smoke. If you concentrate the smoke and particulate matter enough it will cause lung damage.

I did a search for "marijuana and lung disease" and found plenty of credible sources to back up my point, of which none were from our government (meaning I had no trouble finding credible sources from around the world). The study to PROVE the issue has not been done on a large enough statistical basis.

My father has smoked pot since he was 20, heavily, and he is now 69. But his amount of smoke and the quality of his northern-Cali smoke don't even remotely compare to people I know who smoke 20 to 40 cigarettes a day. Even as experienced with weed as he is, if he were to smoke 20 joints or more a day he wouldn't be very useful, and his lung quality would change a lot faster. Those tiny particulates DO block cells in your lung from transporting oxygen, no matter how great marijuana feels or how good a quality paper product it produces. It is not a wonder drug that has zero-effect. There is no such thing. To lie to yourself and say it does nothing is just silly.

Originally Posted by Alyzarin

The DEA published a paper to make Salvia look bad (it's also physically completely harmless) by saying its active chemical, salvinorin A, was related to THC (it's not, and also wouldn't help their claim that it's harmful) because they're both nitrogenous thujone derivatives (neither them are even remotely related to thujone nor do they contain nitrogen ). The government doesn't care about the truth.

I mentioned nothing about Salvia nor would I attempt to speak about it without research and/or experience. It is funny watching someone smoke it as if it was marijuana and see them unable to even get up off the floor. It sounds like another substance that would be hard to smoke enough of to cause serious issues, though to say it is physically completely harmless again sounds like a naive way of thinking.

Okay, rant over. Time to make dinner. Tacos, stoner food. Yum.

I tried to drink tequila last night and found myself incapable. It was far too strong and even the scent had me gagging. I fear that the hangover after drinking hard liquor last time (months ago) has traumatized me for life and rendered me incapable of taking shots. So, I've decided that tomorrow night I will make margaritas with the tequila that Alyzarin kindly forced me to buy. Maybe some good will come of it. I've never before attempted to make a drink.

YAYAYAYAY Tommo!! So glad your boy's alive and apparently fine

Ophelia, is your kitty in heat? In my experience, cats that let out a very echo-ish meow are either looking for a mate or their kittens. I've never had a cat play the staring game with me though lol
She may just be bored. One thing my cats love/hate is rubbing their back right at the base of their tail. They'll swat at me, run in circles trying to catch my hand, eventually tire out and go away

I am sad today because I learned that my bio-dad passed away last October. We weren't close but we got along wonderfully. Making time for each other was the hardest thing and I'm sad I didn't try to have more of a relationship with him. I searched for him until my early 20's when I finally located a relative who put us in touch with each other. We had a great relationship for about 3 years after I moved to WV, but then I moved to another town and neither of us were phone people.
His wife contacted my hubby's answering service, asking them to have me call her. Hubby worried it was something to do with my brother, so he called her and they spoke for a long time... he told me the news.
I'm going to call her tomorrow. I'll probably call my mom shortly and let her know (not that she'd care).

Originally Posted by melanieb

People also smoke cigarettes daily for decades and show no ill effects. But if weed-smokers were to smoke 20-60 joints a day(like a cigarette smoker) I bet many would die out simply because they forgot what they were doing on the way to get food when they got the munchies, let alone other ill-effects.

The nice thing about weed is there is virtually no toxins in it. It's quiet literally THC and the actual plant matter. As compared to a cigarette, where it's full of toxins. Like Nicotine, cyanide, tar and the likes. Weed has nothing that sticks to your lungs long term, as compared to cigarettes, it sticks to your lungs and takes a very very very long time to go away. Also, saying that they will die because they forgot what they were doing is not an argument.

Originally Posted by OldSparta

The nice thing about weed is there is virtually no toxins in it. It's quiet literally THC and the actual plant matter. As compared to a cigarette, where it's full of toxins. Like Nicotine, cyanide, tar and the likes. Weed has nothing that sticks to your lungs long term, as compared to cigarettes, it sticks to your lungs and takes a very very very long time to go away. Also, saying that they will die because they forgot what they were doing is not an argument.

Plus ~60 other Cannabinoids. But they're all harmless.
Plus that argument (But if weed-smokers were to smoke 20-60 joints a day) is like saying "YEAH!.... well, water may not be harmless.... but if you drink 60 cups in one go YOU WILL DIE!"
It's a null argument. It literally means nothing.
And it means even LESS in this argument because Cannabis is COMPLETELY non-toxic. It's probably the only thing that is completely non-toxic.
You can't ingest enough to kill yourself.

Link - Just wanted to say, you may not have to choose between study and women. You could always find a girl that likes you that also
wants to study with you. It will help you retain information MUCH more easily if you're discussing the subject with another person.
Obviously if you're doing actual assignments, it is better to do it alone. But if you just want to study some topic, talking about it will
solidify that shit in your mind lol
Plus it won't even feel so much like study, more like just a conversation.

Zhaylin - Why did it take them so long to tell you?
I'm sorry to hear that. Make sure you have someone to talk to. If not, just stay on DV

So my glasses were starting to get kind freaky (the left arm thing was getting loose (the thing that extends and goes around my ear) [which it has broken off in the past]) then today, randomly, it just fell off. I can put it back in but soon it falls out. Meanwhile I've been looking at new glasses anyways, but today I went to the place, and the insurance place wasn't answering, they couldn't find my prescriptions, blah blah. So I dunno, and it would take 10 days anyway for them to fill the prescription. bah hum bug

Pic when you get new glasses?

These God Damned Mormons added a new tax to everything they aren't allowed to do. Not just drinking and smoking, they even made coffee and tea more expensive... the fuck kind of game are they running here? They can't use it but it's okay to drain more profit from it? Just because they need more money to pay more school administrators to waste money and they figure since non-Mormons are a minority they can get away with it. Not that I expect a Mormon to understand the first thing about ethics, but doesn't it seem intrinsically wrong to use the profit from something you deem immoral in order to sustain your system?

Thanks Tommo. I'm really okay though. I hadn't spoken to him for at least 5 years (when they called to let me know my half-brother died in an ATV accident). I really suck at keeping in touch with people
It took them about as long to let me know about my brother. At first I thought they (step-mom) were lashing out because it took me a long time to tell them my grams died. But this time they had a legit reason. I have no telephone. She probably felt a little bitter- it seems I don't care so why should she. But she finally did reach out and I am grateful. But, I'm dreading out phone call tomorrow...

Oh yeah... Link, my son said to read the Manga and all your questions (and then some) will be answered...

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

Oh yeah... Link, my son said to read the Manga and all your questions (and then some) will be answered...

I don't think the Manga revealed anything yet, I just know that it's probably a Zetsu variant of who Madara is, but maybe I should look at the manga again to make sure.

Tell your son I said Thanks!

Zhaylin: Sofie is fixed. And I meant to dictate her meow as not one of those deep, guttural I'M HORNY meows, but rather one of those quick, sharp "purrCOW" just like in this youtube: The two talking cats - YouTube

But anyway, that is really really sad about your biological father. I bet he was glad though, for the time he had with you before he died. I'm so sorry for the bad news though Zhaylin.

Originally Posted by Linkzelda41

I never cried so much for an anime. I remember reading the manga of Naruto Shippuden when Minato and Kushina gave their lives to protect Naruto, and I was crying at the things they said before their death.

Now I watch the anime episode 248 249, it just made it more emotional. I never thought that an anime like that would make you cry...people always want action in an anime, and don't even bother to understand the story, the emotions, to experience all of these, and to relate them with their lives.

Those were good tears, but I feel weak now

That's not at all what I'd expect out of Naruto.
If you want to cry some more, Angel Beats! is really sad near the end.

Originally Posted by dave1701

Turkey Vulture? Dog? Raccoon?

I think it was a turkey vulture. Today there was nothing there but a pile of feathers. My mom was talking about how she's been seeing turkey vultures around a lot lately, one was even eating a dead cat on our driveway. Ok, I should stop talking about dead things now.

Originally Posted by OldSparta

The nice thing about weed is there is virtually no toxins in it. It's quiet literally THC and the actual plant matter. As compared to a cigarette, where it's full of toxins. Like Nicotine, cyanide, tar and the likes. Weed has nothing that sticks to your lungs long term, as compared to cigarettes, it sticks to your lungs and takes a very very very long time to go away. Also, saying that they will die because they forgot what they were doing is not an argument.

Originally Posted by tommo

Plus ~60 other Cannabinoids. But they're all harmless.
Plus that argument (But if weed-smokers were to smoke 20-60 joints a day) is like saying "YEAH!.... well, water may not be harmless.... but if you drink 60 cups in one go YOU WILL DIE!"
It's a null argument. It literally means nothing.
And it means even LESS in this argument because Cannabis is COMPLETELY non-toxic. It's probably the only thing that is completely non-toxic.
You can't ingest enough to kill yourself.

I don't know where you both get your ideas but you haven't based either argument on fact. For the record, I'm totally pro-marijuana use, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore truth. Oh, and let me state that nothing in my argument here is personal, simply a debate of an issue.

Donald P. Tashkin, MD, Director of the Pulmonary Function Laboratories at the University of California, Los Angeles, stated in his article "Effects of Marijuana on the Lung and its Immune Defenses," published in the Mar. 1997 "Secretary's Youth Substance Abuse Prevention Initiative: Resource Papers" by the Center for Substance Abuse Prevention:

"Analysis of the smoke contents of marijuana and tobacco reveals much the same gas phase constituents, including chemicals known to be toxic to respiratory tissue. Moreover, these gas phase components are present in somewhat similar concentrations in the smoke generated from the same quantity of marijuana and tobacco.

The particulate phase (tar) constituents of marijuana and tobacco smoke are also generally similar, with the major exception that marijuana contains tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and scores of other llIC-like (cannabinoid) compounds not found in tobacco, while tobacco tar contains nicotine not found in marijuana.

With regard to the carcinogenic potential of marijuana, it is noteworthy that the tar phase of marijuana smoke contains many of the same carcinogenic compounds contained in tobacco smoke, including polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, which was recently identified as a key factor promoting human lung cancer... Preliminary findings suggest that marijuana smoke activates cytochrome P4501A1, the enzyme that converts polycyclic hydrocarbons, such as benz[a]pyrene, into active carcinogens."

The Mayo Clinic stated in its Aug. 25, 2006 article "Marijuana as Medicine: Consider the Pros and Cons," published on its website:

"Marijuana contains at least 60 chemicals called cannabinoids. Researchers are evaluating how effective some of these cannabinoids might be in controlling symptoms of certain medical conditions. For example:
• THC. An abbreviation for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, THC is the main component responsible for marijuana's mind-altering effect. It also may help treat signs and symptoms such as nausea and vomiting that are associated with a number of medical conditions.

• Cannabinol and cannabidiol. These compounds have some of the properties of THC, but cause less psychoactive effects — the high.

Also, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke and has the potential to cause cancer of the lungs and respiratory tract. Marijuana smoke is commonly inhaled deeper and held longer than is tobacco smoke, increasing the lungs' exposure to carcinogens."

This article excerpt from several sources is pretty much the best I can find to something credible about why marijuana is not as harmful as tobacco and even the article I am quoting doesn't say that marijuana is harmless, merely less so.

Smoke from tobacco and cannabis contains many of the same carcinogens and tumor promoters [20,21]. However, cannabis and tobacco have additional pharmacological activities, both receptor-dependent and independent, that result in different biological endpoints. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons found in smoke are pro-carcinogens that are converted to carcinogens by the enzymatic activity of the cytochrome P4501A1 oxidase protein (CYP1A1 gene product). Benzo [a] pyrene is converted to its carcinogenic metabolite diol epoxide, which binds to specific hyper-mutable nucleotide sequences in the K-ras oncogene and p53 tumor suppressor [22]. Recent work by Roth et al. demonstrates that THC treatment of murine hepatoma cells caused a dose dependent increase in CYP1A1 gene transcription, while at the same time directly inhibiting the enzymatic activity of the gene product [23]. Thus, despite potentially higher levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons found in cannabis smoke compared to tobacco smoke (dependent on what part of the plant is smoked), the THC present in cannabis smoke should exert a protective effect against pro-carcinogens that require activation. In contrast, nicotine activates some CYP1A1 activities, thus potentially increasing the carcinogenic effects of tobacco smoke [24].

Now...back up your argument with credible sources, preferably sources that have nothing to gain from marijuana growth or usage.

And more:

Recently, Dr. Gary Huber at the University of Texas and colleagues from Harvard's School of Public Health conducted a cellular toxicity study of marijuana and tobacco smoke.8 This research group showed that passing marijuana or tobacco smoke through water, or even exposing the smoke to a wetted surface of about 48 square inches, effectively removed substances (acrolein and acetaldehyde) which are toxic to alveolar macrophages. Alveolar macrophages are one of the major defense cells of the lung and are an important component of the immune system. When the macrophages were exposed to smoke that was not water filtered, there was a marked impairment of their capacity to kill bacteria. When the smoke was water-filtered, however, there was no reduction in the bactericidal ability of the macrophages, suggesting that marijuana smoke that has been passed through sufficient water will have less impact on the immune system than marijuana smoke that has not been water-filtered. This intriguing finding would be of particular importance when treating patients with the AIDS wasting syndrome.

Thanks Ophelia
What a precious video. I would take that meow as one looking for affection (they use it a lot with new kittens). I've had a few cats who did that who would gently bite my nose or chin I called them love bites
Your kitty sounds adorable.

Link, my son said he just finished reading Number 573 and it tells you who Tobi is and what his goal is. But my son admitted to being a little confused by the end of it.

As for the safety of pot... my p-doc says he doesn't recommend it because some people become extremely paranoid on it, it can be habit forming (psychologically more than physically granted) an it's a double edged sword when it comes to anxiety.
Personally, I've never cared for the stuff.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

Thanks Ophelia
What a precious video. I would take that meow as one looking for affection (they use it a lot with new kittens). I've had a few cats who did that who would gently bite my nose or chin I called them love bites
Your kitty sounds adorable.

Sofie is ridiculously sweet. She is part siamese, which accounts for the talkiness, and codependency. Also, I think the shelter gave her to me too young. They said she was 4 weeks but I don't believe it now, in retrospect. For almost 12 years she has been glued to my side. I don't hate it at all. I looooove her.

@ melanieb

I REAALLLLLLLLYYYYY don't care. lol. I put my two cents in, Which, btw there is a source out there. I just do not care enough to find it. Also, before you say I'm Ignorant about weed, please note I don't smoke weed. I just drink a lot.

I almost quit my job tonight...a meek, little rational voice called out to me "wait until you find another job". I'm so fucking tired of waiting tables...my part time job isn't consistent (I am only alloyed 16 hours a week....) it cant pay my rent. I don't know what I'm going to do. I wish I could start over as a new person. I just want to live alone in the woods with the little woodland creatures.

This is SUCH a first-world problem. But it needs to be addressed. HOW CAN PEOPLE WATCH COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE on television (produced by Chuck Lorre or Jerry Bruckheimer) when there are comedies that are layered, thought-out, have INSANELY-good writers, and can make you laugh even after watching it 5 times in a row... or dramas that have you LITERALLY on the edge of your seat and yelling at the TV?!

Instead they like mindless shows that require no "following" or no serious attention, each episode is cookie-cutter produced with the world's most predictable plot, no continuity between episodes, no story, just complete nonsense?!

And then something like Arrested Development gets cancelled, Dead Like Me gets cancelled, Community is about to get cancelled, Breaking Bad BARELY made it to its final season, and The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret ends (although that was an intentional 2-season series, but still.)

And yeah, I know Arrested Development is coming back, but it won't be the same. It's a Netflix exclusive (which I do not have.) and not the same as a full 4th season to finish off the series WELL.

AHHHH! I'm SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO WATCH THE SAME SHOW OVER AND OVER, BUT BECAUSE IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AND SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS, THEY THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT SHOW!!!! WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY D:

/rant (I haven't ranted like this in a long time. Feels kinda good. But I'm still utterly first-world-problem-pissed.)

I love the smell of weed but can't smoke it. Gives me bad headaches and the spins.

I did drink a beer. It was good.

I'll look for your source.

melanie - I'm not gonna argue it in here. You can start another thread if you want.
But I'm just going to point out that you say not to quote sources which have something to gain from promoting Cannabis, while
you simultaneously quote sources who have EVERYTHING to gain from keeping it illegal. The groups you sources your info
from will NOT EXIST if Cannabis becomes legal. Notice the biased name of the group "Secretary's Youth Substance Abuse Prevention Initiative: Resource Papers by the Center for Substance Abuse Prevention"
They're not gonna publish anything which shows Cannabis is harmless when they're trying to create an initiative to prevent youth substance abuse.

The amount of carcinogens doesn't even matter. They're all around us everyday. THC has been shown to destroy cancer cells and therefore any potential carcinogenic activity is negated.

Fuck.... so much for not arguing my point.... lol
Ok if you want to discuss it any further, create a new thread in ED.
But before you do, look here http://www.yahooka.com/health-medici...09-update.html
There was a nice website with all of them laid out, but it got taken down.
But you can look through that list for the Cancer or Lungs ones. They are in categories.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f21/chill-...L+CONVERSATION

*cough*

LOL, from what I've seen, that chill conversation thread is anything but chill conversation. So I guess it could go there.