 Originally Posted by Suena
Relationship wise. I don't think I have met anyone quite like myself. What I mean by that is, I don't know very many people who will openly discuss their feelings. I'm not talking about people who inappropriately do so, but I mean in general. I guess I can name a few who I perceive as pretty open and easily communicative, but the people that really matter, my fiancé, my family, some of them are pretty closed off.
It can drive someone like me insane. I'm not saying these people are not honest, but I want to clarify what I mean by honesty. I mean being real. I mean, when I ask someone what's wrong, I want to help. If it is a private issue, OK, there are ways to communicate that, with words and body language, but if a person tells me nothing, namely my fiancé, and all of his behavior points the opposite, my brain gets overloaded by all the things that I could be doing wrong. People should be more real. At least that is the type of person I want to be with and around. I want everything on the table that should be there... I understand that not all issues are something everyone should know about, but in what is supposed to be a loving relationship, whether between friends or lovers, everything should be on the table.
Generally, I am a good communicator. I listen, I understand, I respond and I explain. I'm not perfect, I have my moments. But I've always prided myself a bit in the area that I'm pretty open to understanding and finding a resolution. But why are so many people not like this? I mean, why are so many people in my life not like this?
I see where you're coming from and in general I agree that it would be a lot better if people were more honest with one another. I think most of us may be conditioned to be indirect just because that's the way we see everyone else acting. For example, when someone asks "how are you?" in most settings it's socially unacceptable to say anything other than some equivalent of "good." But that's only how people act around strangers. People closer to you should bring about more open personalities. So I think your concerns about your fiance are completely valid.
Of course this is all my opinion. To me, this isn't even as simple as you two having conflicting social attitudes. No matter how inexpressive both members are in social settings, while together they need to be able to communicate properly. It is a cliche, but I would be saying this same thing from experience even if it wasn't. And I'm not saying you don't believe the same thing, as it's obviously important to you. I'm just trying to explain why I think you're right that it is important. I don't believe a relationship is automatically doomed if there's some occasional arguing, or that both people have to be willing to talk all the time. People's moods change and it isn't a crime to sometimes wish to be alone, or to be in a mood in which you just can't think rationally enough at the time to have a serious discussion without taking everything personally.
All of this is okay, I think, as long as, periodically, the couple gets together and talks about their issues, and both people are okay with the frequency at which these talks occur. And when these talks happen, everything must be laid out on the table, as you say. Everyone's feelings need to be considered, any problems that either person is having need to be laid out, or else the issues are just going to build up until even small issues become big deals eventually. The fact that you have to write about it in this thread hints that perhaps you and your fiance don't do this at all. And if that's true, you really do need to talk about it with him. If communicating (whether at all, or more frequently) is a big deal to you, and he doesn't want to communicate his problems as much as you'd like him to, then you're going to have a big problem eventually. As should be obvious to you, since you said you've learned that over the last 5 years. Even if it seems like a relatively minor issue now, that's the type of thing that, left alone, will build up until it eventually starts slowly devouring your relationship.
 Originally Posted by Linkzelda
Not saying that all old people are like this, just the ones who brag so much about how much they lived, feeling as if they have all the right planning, all the right measures, all the right fail-safes when they still treat people as if they're just minor characters. We just end up conforming to a persona that's just an illusion on who we really are because if these people aren't putting effort in reasoning with us or confirm to us that they don't want to hear our opinion (so they can continue making a false model of who we are due to lack of communication), I guess we might as well make them feel at ease with giving them pretense about ourselves.
(This was going to be short but it turned into something else)
Old people have lived their lives, they have little potential left as they're going to die relatively soon, they've gone physically downhill, they've likely experienced more pain relative to us, ...... they generally have greater reason to be miserable. I've become pretty sure lately that this is why older people seem so eager to think themselves superior to younger people. It's all they have. Without their believed wisdom they would have no worth, so they need to believe that they do. That isn't to say that they don't. I think it's fair to say that in general an older person will be wiser than a younger person simply because he or she has been through more potential learning experiences. But in any case in which it's obvious that the older person knows less, in some way, than the younger person, but is denying it and thinks overly highly of himself... I really think it's because he has nothing else. He needs to feel superior in some way.
For this reason, I just feel sorry for them, so much that I wouldn't even argue. Feeling useless and knowing that you're going to die soon must be the worst feeling ever. Even at 23, I'm already feeling it, resentment and regret over wishing I had not done some of the things I have, and envy of younger people who still have that potential that I've wasted so far. I'm already finding myself wanting to find something wrong with them, and when I see a teenager who actually seems smart and as mature (or more mature) than I am, that feeling becomes extreme. Oddly, I remember being that age, and it was such a short time ago, and even then I feared being the age I am now. I knew then consciously that I loved being young and having potential, and thought pretty lowly of old resentful people. But now I understand why, even though I know it's wrong, would prefer not to feel that way and try to be aware of those feelings when they come up so that I can eliminate them. It's all about the fear of death, of never being remembered, of being worthless, of losing everything that's ever made you happy. It's difficult to just... not care, and not be jealous.
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