Thread: Charlie sheening from 2 and a half man

It's obvious the guy has a mental illness. It's clinical.

Ok I didn't know any of that stuff about his personal life. I really don't care that much.
But where does this idea come from that we have to take responsibility for the people we know?
You're basically telling people to make their own life more boring to make other people's lives better. Who should do the dulling of their own lives for the sake of other people, and who should let other people help them?
It doesn't make sense, this placing of blame thing.

Maybe Charlie's parents didn't raise him well which is why he is how he is.
But then that's his parents parents fault. Ad infinitum.

And also, being treated like shit by some people, or ignored or whatever, will make you appreciate people who are nice to you a lot more. So his kids will probably be very happy with their mother and whoever she decides to marry, if she does decide to.

Basically this judgmental bullshit and sureness of being correct about what is better for someone, is stupid. Stop doing it.

Originally Posted by tommo

Basically this judgmental bullshit and sureness of being correct about what is better for someone, is stupid. Stop doing it.

I don't understand, you were just arguing with spockman about what type of lifestyle is more fulfilling. You were judging him based on his own values, and then proceeded to tell him that he'd live a boring life and live to be 70 years old, the last 30 of which his body would be decaying

Originally Posted by tommo

If your life is filled with drug fueled ecstasy, you will be happy your whole life.

Ok, that's cool that you respect Charlie Sheen's lifestyle and hope to live like that someday, but when you start calling people out on how their lives are boring compared to his, then that really contradicts what you said in that above quote ^

Not only that, but you can't comprehend that someone may have a different set of values than you, because earlier in this thread you claimed that the people criticizing Charlie are just "pissed" and "jealous" of him because of what you perceive as great lifestyle in which he has "suffered no consequences" (which is highly debatable).

Originally Posted by tommo

Whatever the definition you want to give success, none of it will matter after you die.

Nothing is gained in the long term. You're always going to die.

Therefore, success is illogical.

I don't know how to address this, because I'm not sure I even understand what you meant by it. Your idea of success is banging 7 gram rocks and sleeping with whores, is that illogical to you? Do you find anything fulfilling in that lifestyle?

Originally Posted by Raphael

I don't understand, you were just arguing with spockman about what type of lifestyle is more fulfilling. You were judging him based on his own values, and then proceeded to tell him that he'd live a boring life and live to be 70 years old, the last 30 of which his body w....

I was saying that Charlie's lifestyle isn't boring. And was basically saying that having a "safe" lifestyle is boring. If you wanna live perfectly healthily and do right by everyone you know and get a respectable job, buy all the new products. Your life is going to be boring and wasted.
BUT, I am not telling any of you to change your lifestyle, or that you're doing it wrong. Your choice is your choice. If you wanna live as long as possible, with the last several years spent in pain and discomfort and having everybody look after you 24 hours a day, go ahead.

Originally Posted by Raphael

I don't know how to address this, because I'm not sure I even understand what you meant by it. Your idea of success is banging 7 gram rocks and sleeping with whores, is that illogical to you? Do you find anything fulfilling in that lifestyle?

I clearly said there is no such thing as success.
You picked a certain part of my post out and said it doesn't make sense.
Read the whole thing.
There is basically two definitions of success that people have.
One is "lots of money, a respectable job etc". The other is "a job you like, which brings you happiness, or just being happy".

I then deconstructed these two definitions: (I'll add a bit, I realised it was a bit vague)
Money, respectable job etc.

You get a great job, your family and friends think you're smart, but you will hardly ever see them most likely. You'll retire at 60 or so when you're too old to do all the things you were waiting to do already.

You will die. Nothing is gained in the long term. You're always going to die.

What does it matter whether you're a lawyer or a doctor and work your ass off all your life?
Unless you really, really enjoy it and that's how you want to spend 50% of your life.

Happiness = all that matters

The only thing that matters is being happy, or being sad if you wanna be sad, whatever you want to do, that is what you should do.
Or if you want to play the game of being sad and saying "poor little me, everything's gone wrong in my life, the world sucks etc."
you do things, or think things which make you feel that way.

BUT

The experience of happiness is a chemical reaction in the brain. However you gain this, it still leads to feeling happy and fulfilled.

I can take MDMA and feel better than anyone who has not taken it will ever feel in their entire life.
Why isn't that also success?
One feels happy and fulfilled, everything feels great, everyone else loves the person coz they're happy and calm and friendly.

So, Why isn't that also success?
It has all the elements of success.
Because, success is meaningless.

"Success" does not mean anything and does not factor in to any equations.

Originally Posted by Captain Frapo

It's obvious the guy has a mental illness. It's clinical.

What?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

He was married three times. His first wife left him after he accidentally shot her. His second wife (Denise Richards, total hotty) left him because of "alcohol and drug abuse and threats of violence". He divorced his most recent wife after being sentenced to rehab and probation. I remember reading that he recently lost custody of all his kids as well. So yeah, crappy husband crappy father.

If he's no longer taking care of the kids his actions shouldn't really be anyone;s concern other than the people who care about him. Lotsa people have shitty parents, many of them are shittier than charlie sheen even if he did bang both 7 gram rocks and hookers in front of them.

Originally Posted by Captain Frapo

It's obvious the guy has a mental illness. It's clinical.

most celebrities are [crazy] more or less. You kinda have to be to work in that kind of environment. I assume that he's always done this sort of thing. On the one hand you can call it an illness, a defect, but it certainly seems to work for him. He's famous and I assume he enjoys acting and working in the environment he's in.


I don't know if people are still arguing over whether or not his life is succesful or whatever, but isn't there much more to charlie sheen than just coke and hookers? He has an edgy personality, he uses this in his humor. I think he likes that side of things, even if it isn;t as nice and pretty. But it's directly related to everything he does, he wouldn't be the same without it. It;s like saying Jimmi shouldn't have done drugs because then he would have lived longer and could have made more music. But if hadn't done drugs no one would have ever heard of his music.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I don't know if people are still arguing over whether or not his life is succesful or whatever, but isn't there much more to charlie sheen than just coke and hookers? He has an edgy personality, he uses this in his humor. I think he likes that side of things, even if it isn;t as nice and pretty. But it's directly related to everything he does, he wouldn't be the same without it. It;s like saying Jimmi shouldn't have done drugs because then he would have lived longer and could have made more music. But if hadn't done drugs no one would have ever heard of his music.

That's what I was saying when I said "he is his fame" or whatever I said, can't remember exactly. You put it better though.