Charlie sheening from 2 and a half man

You might get temporary happiness from things like drugs and meaningless sex. You aren't going to get fulfillment.

Charlie Sheen probably gets his fullfilment from being an extremely succesful actor in movies and on telivision. If he wants to party I don't see what the problem is or why people really give a damn at all. I respect the man for fighting for his right to partay.

And I can understand why he said charlie sheen is a drug, many of his best roles in films are when he plays himself. He's pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by ninja9578

If a devine power talked to you before you were born and gave you the choice between a man who teaches at a high school for 50 years, is in a long happy marriage, or a multimillionaire celebrity, who does all the drugs he want, has sex with hundreds of beautiful women, and has fun every minute and everyone loves you, but would die at 50. Which would u choose? Tough call.

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A long, happy life spent married to someone you love sounds pretty damn good. Being a multimillionaire, having sex with a plethora of women you really dont care for (other than their poonani), fluctuating from drug highs and lows, and then dying at 50 sounds alright too but I can't say that it'd be as fulfilling or satisfying as the former. Not for me at least. Huh, that wasn't a very tough call at all. Too each his own I guess; maybe I "just dont get it." =/

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Originally Posted by tommo

I agree completely with Ninja. Everyone who says he needs help is fucking jealous.
He is HAPPY! <<<<
You are pissed off that he is rich and happy and has taken tonnes of drugs, fucked probably hundreds of beautiful women and suffered no bad consequences. You are annoyed and jealous because it doesn't fit your view of the world.

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Robert Pickton had a jolly ol' time as he brutally savaged 50 or so women. He had fun setting a high score. Shit, he probably had sex with many of them too since a bunch of his victims were in the sex trade (and I doubt he had a problem with rape). On top of that, he was pretty wealthy. He didn't suffer any consequences (at least not for two decades) either. But boy, did he have a good time.

Probably not the most appropriate example but my point is that being happy doesn't make everything alright. Charlie's hurting the people close to him, whether or not he intends to. He may not be trying to be a bad father but I'd be surprised if his antics haven't had a negative impact on his kids.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Immoral? Immoral!??
How is it immoral to die early. You have to die one day.
That's just absurd. Sure, you may be able to live a few years longer. Big fucking deal.

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By immoral, Spock meant Sheen was knowingly hurting those close to him.
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I don't really care about Charlie but I find it slightly disconcerting that he's getting so much attention for this. Why does the world (well, America mainly) think the ramblings of this drug addict are any more important than those of the junkie living on the corner of 143rd? Why is it that some people are ok with a celebrity behaving like this but not an average citizen? Or better yet, why is it that people want to "help" him so damn much but don't give a damn about the boatloads of other people in the same situation?

@ "news" stations: He's an addict and he doesn't intend on changing any time soon; you did your job and reported on it, now move on. If you want to help him like you claim, then stop creating and adding on to the hype that only ends up encouraging him. If you simply don't give a shit, all the more reason to stop reporting on him 24/7.

Something people should keep in mind, this guy was an abusive husband and a crappy father... I'm all for partying but he's not a college kid, he has (had) a family and thus should show a minimum level of responsibility. If you want to party yourself to death then don't have kids.

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Originally Posted by GavinGill

Probably not the most appropriate example but my point is that being happy doesn't make everything alright. Charlie's hurting the people close to him, whether or not he intends to. He may not be trying to be a bad father but I'd be surprised if his antics haven't had a negative impact on his kids.

By immoral, Spock meant Sheen was knowingly hurting those close to him.

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I know that's what you meant. But it doesn't matter. The reality is that it doesn't matter.
Show me a kid who thinks his or her parents raised them correctly and I'll show you an adult with zero emotional problems.

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Originally Posted by GavinGill

I don't really care about Charlie but I find it slightly disconcerting that he's getting so much attention for this. Why does the world (well, America mainly) think the ramblings of this drug addict are any more important than those of the junkie living on the corner of 143rd? Why is it that some people are ok with a celebrity behaving like this but not an average citizen? Or better yet, why is it that people want to "help" him so damn much but don't give a damn about the boatloads of other people in the same situation?

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Yeah people don't give a shit, they pretend they do. They also assume he is hurting people close to him, but they don't know that.

News stations want controversy, that's all.

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Originally Posted by spockman

You might get temporary happiness from things like drugs and meaningless sex. You aren't going to get fulfillment.

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Who says?

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Originally Posted by Spartiate

Something people should keep in mind, this guy was an abusive husband and a crappy father

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That's all anecdotal.

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Originally Posted by no-Name

that's kinda what Tommo's saying isn't it
this is what Sheen wants
I very much doubt that he would do all this if he didn't want to
so it doesn't suck, to him

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Cocaine addiction works in mysterious ways.

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Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

Cocaine addiction works in mysterious ways.

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alright, that was silly of me. lemme try again.
I don't think he'd be this ecstatic about his position in life if he didn't enjoy it.
this thread still sucks, by the way

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Originally Posted by tommo

Show me a kid who thinks his or her parents raised them correctly and I'll show you an adult with zero emotional problems.

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If I had a camera within arm's reach, I'd post my pic. They aren't cookie-cutter perfect but they did a well enough job.

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Originally Posted by tommo

They also assume he is hurting people close to him, but they don't know that.

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His wife sure seems to know. =/

I didn't realize that he wasn't treating his kids well, I'd never heard that. If his family doesn't like him his wife should just leave him and raise the kids herslef. He's rich as hell, she'd have no problem doing this. If she thinks they need a father figure she can re-marry. These people are adults, they can and will do what they want. If she wants to give him an ultimatum then go for it.

I like him as an actor, and quite honestly I think his personal life is his own business.

From what i've observed his ex wive is already gone and they share custody . He now lives with 2 girlfriends and charlie himself and the girlfriends say they live a normal happy life. no partying no banging stranger pornstars just a good life with loads of love.

Seriously, i didn't expect this discussion if his drug abuse is good or bad. He doesnt even do drugs he's taking regular drug tests and they all come out NEGATIVE.

Yeah, it's his own business what he wants to do. On the other hand his non private work hes been doing (outside of acting) has relevance to his personal life.
Because if you believe someone is a irresponsible junkie you rightfully assume their opinions are probably invalid
If the same information comes from say a well respected scientist you tend to weigh their opinions higher..

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Originally Posted by stonedape

I didn't realize that he wasn't treating his kids well, I'd never heard that. If his family doesn't like him his wife should just leave him and raise the kids herslef. He's rich as hell, she'd have no problem doing this. If she thinks they need a father figure she can re-marry. These people are adults, they can and will do what they want. If she wants to give him an ultimatum then go for it.

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He was married three times. His first wife left him after he accidentally shot her. His second wife (Denise Richards, total hotty) left him because of "alcohol and drug abuse and threats of violence". He divorced his most recent wife after being sentenced to rehab and probation. I remember reading that he recently lost custody of all his kids as well. So yeah, crappy husband crappy father.

It's obvious the guy has a mental illness. It's clinical.

Ok I didn't know any of that stuff about his personal life. I really don't care that much.
But where does this idea come from that we have to take responsibility for the people we know?
You're basically telling people to make their own life more boring to make other people's lives better. Who should do the dulling of their own lives for the sake of other people, and who should let other people help them?
It doesn't make sense, this placing of blame thing.

Maybe Charlie's parents didn't raise him well which is why he is how he is.
But then that's his parents parents fault. Ad infinitum.

And also, being treated like shit by some people, or ignored or whatever, will make you appreciate people who are nice to you a lot more. So his kids will probably be very happy with their mother and whoever she decides to marry, if she does decide to.

Basically this judgmental bullshit and sureness of being correct about what is better for someone, is stupid. Stop doing it.

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Originally Posted by tommo

Basically this judgmental bullshit and sureness of being correct about what is better for someone, is stupid. Stop doing it.

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I don't understand, you were just arguing with spockman about what type of lifestyle is more fulfilling. You were judging him based on his own values, and then proceeded to tell him that he'd live a boring life and live to be 70 years old, the last 30 of which his body would be decaying :P

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Originally Posted by tommo

If your life is filled with drug fueled ecstasy, you will be happy your whole life.

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Ok, that's cool that you respect Charlie Sheen's lifestyle and hope to live like that someday, but when you start calling people out on how their lives are boring compared to his, then that really contradicts what you said in that above quote ^

Not only that, but you can't comprehend that someone may have a different set of values than you, because earlier in this thread you claimed that the people criticizing Charlie are just "pissed" and "jealous" of him because of what you perceive as great lifestyle in which he has "suffered no consequences" (which is highly debatable).

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Originally Posted by tommo

Whatever the definition you want to give success, none of it will matter after you die.

Nothing is gained in the long term. You're always going to die.

Therefore, success is illogical.

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I don't know how to address this, because I'm not sure I even understand what you meant by it. Your idea of success is banging 7 gram rocks and sleeping with whores, is that illogical to you? Do you find anything fulfilling in that lifestyle?

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Originally Posted by Captain Frapo

It's obvious the guy has a mental illness. It's clinical.

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What? :P

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Originally Posted by Raphael

I don't understand, you were just arguing with spockman about what type of lifestyle is more fulfilling. You were judging him based on his own values, and then proceeded to tell him that he'd live a boring life and live to be 70 years old, the last 30 of which his body w....

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I was saying that Charlie's lifestyle isn't boring. And was basically saying that having a "safe" lifestyle is boring. If you wanna live perfectly healthily and do right by everyone you know and get a respectable job, buy all the new products. Your life is going to be boring and wasted.
BUT, I am not telling any of you to change your lifestyle, or that you're doing it wrong. Your choice is your choice. If you wanna live as long as possible, with the last several years spent in pain and discomfort and having everybody look after you 24 hours a day, go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Raphael

I don't know how to address this, because I'm not sure I even understand what you meant by it. Your idea of success is banging 7 gram rocks and sleeping with whores, is that illogical to you? Do you find anything fulfilling in that lifestyle?

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I clearly said there is no such thing as success.
You picked a certain part of my post out and said it doesn't make sense.
Read the whole thing.
There is basically two definitions of success that people have.
One is "lots of money, a respectable job etc". The other is "a job you like, which brings you happiness, or just being happy".

I then deconstructed these two definitions: (I'll add a bit, I realised it was a bit vague)
Money, respectable job etc.

You get a great job, your family and friends think you're smart, but you will hardly ever see them most likely. You'll retire at 60 or so when you're too old to do all the things you were waiting to do already.

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You will die. Nothing is gained in the long term. You're always going to die.

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What does it matter whether you're a lawyer or a doctor and work your ass off all your life?
Unless you really, really enjoy it and that's how you want to spend 50% of your life.

Happiness = all that matters

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The only thing that matters is being happy, or being sad if you wanna be sad, whatever you want to do, that is what you should do.
Or if you want to play the game of being sad and saying "poor little me, everything's gone wrong in my life, the world sucks etc."
you do things, or think things which make you feel that way.

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The experience of happiness is a chemical reaction in the brain. However you gain this, it still leads to feeling happy and fulfilled.

I can take MDMA and feel better than anyone who has not taken it will ever feel in their entire life.
Why isn't that also success?
One feels happy and fulfilled, everything feels great, everyone else loves the person coz they're happy and calm and friendly.

So, Why isn't that also success?
It has all the elements of success.
Because, success is meaningless.

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"Success" does not mean anything and does not factor in to any equations.

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Ok, seriously people...worry about your own lives. Is Charlie Sheen a personal friend of yours? Is it really any of your business? Why do you care so much?

And tommo...quit talking about ecstasy like it's some wonderful happiness pill...don't forget, the comedown is a bitch and it eventually makes you feel quite miserable.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

Ok, seriously people...worry about your own lives. Is Charlie Sheen a personal friend of yours? Is it really any of your business? Why do you care so much?

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Well, we're really not even arguing about him at all. More, about.... well, life really.

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Originally Posted by Aquanina

And tommo...quit talking about ecstasy like it's some wonderful happiness pill...don't forget, the comedown is a bitch and it eventually makes you feel quite miserable.

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Same thing, I wasn't specifically talking about ecstasy, it was an example of being able to feel good without "accomplishing" anything. If there were a drug which could do this constantly for your whole life....I would use that as an example, but there's not.

Spoiler for Besides the point.:

(Also, even though it's besides the point, pure MDMA doesn't give you a harsh comedown unless you take it every day, or every weekend for a few months or something i.e abuse it)

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Originally Posted by Raphael

tommo you keep contradicting yourself at every turn. It's obvious this conversation its going no where.

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Ok....

I'd party with him. I would use his full name when I spoke to him, of course. "So, Charlie Sheen...you ever going to pass that bong?"........."Lay me out a line, Charlie Sheen!"..........."No, stay away from that one, Charlie Sheen. I think it has the herpes."........ "No, Charlie Sheen, two condoms will not double protect you from the herpes!"....Good times, good times!

So I was watching Wall Street last night and was struck by how similar it is to his real life. His dad, Martin Sheen, played his dad in the film, and warned Charlie's character about the fast life and the easy money. There's one scene where Charlie snorts cocaine in the back of a limo as a chick is blowing him.

On another note...

Charlie Sheen Releasing Short Film ‘Operation Greyhound’ This Month - OK! Magazine - The First for Celebrity News

For some reason I can't see your post, I don't know if you deleted it, I couldn't see your last one either that I quoted. So.... (I got it in my e-mail though)

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Alright this is probably a bad idea, but I’m going to attempt to get you to understand just how contradictory and bigoted your comments have been, tommo. And understand that I’m doing this out of love, so please don’t get offended and immediately start composing a gigantic self-quote filled counter argument.




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I can take MDMA and feel better than anyone who has not taken it will ever feel in their entire life.

So, Why isn't that also success?
It has all the elements of success.

Because, success is meaningless.
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This literally makes no sense. Everyone has their own personal idea of success, yours would be to lead a happy life via drugs. Yet you've said many times throughout this discussion that success is meaningless. When I asked you to expand on that earlier in the thread, you responded with:


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There is basically two definitions of success that people have.
One is "lots of money, a respectable job etc". The other is "a job you like, which brings you happiness, or just being happy".
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Sure, but those aren’t the only two ideas of success. Your idea of success is clearly different from those, and that’s fine.

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Whatever the definition you want to give success, none of it will matter after you die.
Nothing is gained in the long term. You're always going to die.

Therefore, success is illogical.
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That last sentence is pretty ironic, considering you just used the worst logic I’ve ever seen. You keep bashing people because they desire what you perceive to be boring lifestyles, yet now you’re saying that no matter what lifestyle you choose to live, it’s all meaningless and “illogical” anyways. Well then why are you so passionately defending your own personal idea of success?

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I clearly said there is no such thing as success.
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Pure contradiction to everything you just said. It’s not even a coherent statement that makes any kind of sense.
Let’s review your stance on success


Success is meaningless
Success is illogical
Success doesn’t exist
Success [insert negative adjective]


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Basically this judgmental bullshit and sureness of being correct about what is better for someone, is stupid. Stop doing it.
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It’s what you’ve been doing this entire time. You’re preaching to the choir, buddy.


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I am not telling any of you to change your lifestyle, or that you're doing it wrong. Your choice is your choice.

*Could it be?!—tommo is actually being acceptive of other people’s life choices, even though they differ from his??*

If you wanna live perfectly healthily and do right by everyone you know and get a respectable job, buy all the new products. Your life is going to be boring and wasted.

If you wanna live as long as possible, with the last several years spent in pain and discomfort and having everybody look after you 24 hours a day, go ahead.

I wish you well on your boring life that may go on for 90 years, while your body decays for the last 30 of them.

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nevermind.*
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Here’s some horribly bigoted remarks that I won’t bother trying to argue against.


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Everyone who says he needs help is fucking jealous.
You are pissed off that he is rich and happy and has taken tonnes of drugs, fucked probably hundreds of beautiful women and suffered no bad consequences.
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Also spock, if you think morals exist, you are the one who is deluded.
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This literally makes no sense. Everyone has their own personal idea of success, yours would be to lead a happy life via drugs.

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Ok this just proves you have no idea what I've been saying.
I'm saying that if you say success is having a happy life, why isn't taking drugs to be happy being successful?

You also didn't really refute any of my arguments.
You say there are more definitions of success than the ones I stated, but what are they?

All I'm saying is that success doesn't exist. It's hard to explain why something doesn't exist. Which is why I may seem like I'm contradicting myself sometimes, but I'm not.

As for quoting myself, I see nothing wrong with that. I'm not going to type something again which I've already said.

I deleted my post because I'm done with this argument I don't think you understood anything I said.

Let's just leave it at that :P