The Secret

**Spartiate** · 08-31-2010 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by PXUmais

I beg to differ, all you're doing is making yourself sound arrogant... Just because a person prefers not to argue with someone to prove his point of view it does not mean that point of view is any more improbable than the point of view of the person that does want to argue..

The reason I chose not to argue, was not because of my lack of evidence, but instead because when you argue it's just that.. An argument..

Why would I want to get on the wrong side of someone, when I don't even know who the person is?...

P.S. Your answer to this, may be that an argument doesn't have to divide people.. But in the majority of, arguments/debates (if you will) that I have witnessed, people have crossed the line.. And more often that not; the term: "no hard feelings" just doesn't cut it.. So if you want, take my hostility towards arguments, just as a precaution...

An example: In my last post I made my point against Xei's point.. Which IMO correctly addressed all of his issues.. I then made sure I told him, I appreciated his comment, so we wouldn't leave on the wrong terms..

THEN, I told him I would appreciate it if we didn't discuss this any further.. Because I knew what the consequences of carrying on a debate abut a very fragile subject could lead to..

Your comment was at the very least, extremely presumptuous and slightly condescending.. No offence; but please don't make such narrow minded comments in the future...

Making an outlandish claim then saying that you refuse to debate it is the internet equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalalala". Also don't be so afraid of offending people, you'll never be able to please everybody. Assert yourself, people have a lot of respect for those who stand by their beliefs. So long as you don't make any personal attacks, there's no reason anyone should be offended in a debate. If you absolutely MUST avoid any arguments, then just don't post in the thread, because making a hit and run post just puts a huge bulls-eye on your back...

Edit: Damnit Xei you stole my example

**Xei** · 08-31-2010 10:12 PM

We are fucking great minds.

**PXUmais** · 09-01-2010 01:09 AM

Please read my posts again.. Oh god here I go again...

Spartiate asked a question.. I answered...

Xei, you then made a point and I simply replied...

I never once actually said something that needed a person to retort... Both of those posts were directed at me and that's why I replied..

I like most people suffer from pride, and so chose to reply to the post that was directed because I knew that most people would think of me in this way, as Spartiate so accurately described it:
"Exactly, I love how some who hold an irrational theory will beg not to be debated or challenged... If your beliefs made sense, they wouldn't be hard at all to debate."..

If I had simply stated I'd appreciate it if nobody discussed this any further than me, I would probably seem exactly like the person that Spartiate described in his post.. So, I have a sense of pride.. Sue me..

But, even after this.. I understood that you two would probably feel the same way.. THAT'S why I asked so nicely.. So even if you didn't reply, people would GET why...

A hit and run would be a GREAT analogy.. if I was the one who actually targeted a point at someone in the first place...

At this point you might be thinking that my retort simply deserved a retort aswell.. EXACTLY.. THIS is why I nicely asked if we ended the topic...

If you really wanted to carry on this discussion, it could've been retort after retort after retort.. Ergo, my reason for stopping anyone discussing this with me in the first place..

"then just don't post in the thread".. I hate the fact that people make the purpose of threads like this solely for arguments.. I just wanted to state my opinion, If knew that there were people that can't stand just looking at an opinion and respecting it.. I wouldn't of done it in the first place..

Originally Posted by spockman

If you want to end a discussion or debate, that's one thing. End it by admitting the discussion has run it's course and admitting you don't feel like talking about it anymore. But making an argument that gives counter points to your opponents last post, (or worse, bringing up entirely new points,) and then saying "But I am not going to debate it anymore so bye" is just immature.

No offence, but if you didn't want to argue, yet you had perfect counter points against the person that made a point to BEGIN with.. AND you realised that quite a lot of people have Spartiate opinion on Debates.. Would you really not return a point... Would you REALLY want to seem like someone who can't make make a point against it, while you know you have a retort but it just goes against the fact that you don't want to argue about that subject? Would you?

If wanting to keep your dignity and not being humiliated is being immature.. I'm afraid, I'm as immature as you can get..

Originally Posted by Xei

I was going to say the same thing when I first read that post but I decided at the time I just wasn't bothered and he did kind of ask nicely.

But yeah. It's a bit like ending an argument with 'you're wrong!' and then putting your fingers in your ears and shouting 'lalalala!'.

A BIT like.. It was nothing like ending an argument that way... It was simply like: ME stating an opinion.. You looking at that opinion and thinking it's reason to debate.. THEN me making a respectable retort and NICELY asking that I would appreciate it, if we stopped...

Notice that "LALALALA" and "YOUR WRONG" is not exactly a great substitute.. For someone making a point and basically saying "Please"..

Slightly ironic that I'm forcing myself to do the one thing I didn't want to do.. It always ends out this way,

**Spartiate** · 09-01-2010 01:18 AM

For the record, my original statement was referring to this guy:

Originally Posted by Creation X

move this to religious debate prease...I hate seeing people think that the LoA doesn't exist, but a magical bearded man in the sky does...
Not getting into any debates, so don't try it. I think that the Law of Attracting could most likely be simple placebo, just like prayer. They are the same thing in my mind.

**Xei** · 09-01-2010 01:26 AM

The point is if you want people to stop replying then you should have stopped replying. If you led by example there wouldn't have been a problem. You didn't though, you wanted the ability to respond. Perhaps I wanted the ability to respond too? Surely you can see how this is a bit hypocritical and selfish.

**PXUmais** · 09-01-2010 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Exactly, I love how some who hold an irrational theory will beg not to be debated or challenged... If your beliefs made sense, they wouldn't be hard at all to debate.

LOL, You said "I love how some who hold an irrational theory will beg not to be debated or challenged..."... Which is kinda directed at anyone who doesn't want to be debated/challenged..

So it's pretty much not possible, for your original statement.. to JUST be referring to him..

And also, if you were talking to him at the same time, you weirdly declared that his theory was also irrational.. Although I'm sure you don't have the right amount of knowledge, to just confirm that a theory is "irrational" or improbable...

**PXUmais** · 09-01-2010 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

The point is if you want people to stop replying then you should have stopped replying. If you led by example there wouldn't have been a problem. You didn't though, you wanted the ability to respond. Perhaps I wanted the ability to respond too? Surely you can see how this is a bit hypocritical and selfish.

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Originally Posted by PXUmais

If I had simply stated I'd appreciate it if nobody discussed this any further than me, I would probably seem exactly like the person that Spartiate described in his post.. So, I have a sense of pride.. Sue me..

But, even after this.. I understood that you two would probably feel the same way.. THAT'S why I asked so nicely.. So even if you didn't reply, people would GET why...

Did you actually read my post?

**PXUmais** · 09-01-2010 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

We are fucking great minds.

.. WOW, Vain much?

**Spartiate** · 09-01-2010 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by PXUmais

LOL, You said "I love how some who hold an irrational theory will beg not to be debated or challenged..."... Which is kinda directed at anyone who doesn't want to be debated/challenged..

So it's pretty much not possible, for your original statement.. to JUST be referring to him..

And also, if you were talking to him at the same time, you weirdly declared that his theory was also irrational.. Although I'm sure you don't have the right amount of knowledge, to just confirm that a theory is "irrational" or improbable...

I deliberately left the target of my comment vague because it applies to a bunch of people, but what prompted me was his post. I thought it would be obvious since I backed up Spockman's post that had quoted him...

**Xei** · 09-01-2010 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by PXUmais

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Did you actually read my post?

...ya.

.. WOW, Vain much?

They call it a 'joke'.

'Great minds think alike'..? Never heard that one before?

**PXUmais** · 09-01-2010 02:10 AM

Alright, I've made my points.. I doubt I'm going to post again on this thread after this..

(no-name... Hmph)

**Spartiate** · 09-01-2010 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Xei

They call it a 'joke'.

'Great minds think alike'..? Never heard that one before?

My greatness is no joke!

**spockman** · 09-01-2010 02:22 AM

What you just did was a good way to bow out of a discussion. To prevent being misunderstood, what I was saying is that the mature way to prematurely end a debate is not achieved by getting in the last word. And this...

Originally Posted by Xei

We are fucking great minds.

Can be interpreted as an adjective or a verb. Just saying.