Thread: Christanity and Lucidicity?

Well i told my mom that i tried to make my body fall asleep and that it felt like i was out of my body. She told me not to mess around with out of body experiences because it could cause things. I told her it was just my body falling asleep. Anybody else have Christian parents who are skeptic about this?

If she gives you grief you could tell her the first written account of a lucid dream came from St. Augustine of Hippo. He said nothing against them, but merely recounted the experience. St. Thomas Aquinas also mentioned them in passing with no condemnation. But be understanding of her - being a Catholic myself, it took me a while to become convinced that they were safe, too.

As a Christian, I understand the arguments against attempting lucidity and other dream-related activities. Regardless what anyone might think, dreams are a gift from God and we can appreciate them for what they are and learn from them, or we can listen to those who believe demons can influence us when we sleep. During non-lucid dreams, we are not in control over what takes place, but by what takes place, we can learn more about ourselves and get a different perspective on what's going on in our lives that we might otherwise not be aware of.

During lucid dreams, we have choices to make. We can choose to make decisions that honor God and follow His direction, or we can take the stance that since no one is watching we can do what we want. Personally, I'm for the former.

As far as OBEs, I don't know where I stand on that. When you start to get into more of the theoretical or philosophical aspects of dreaming, just tread carefully. I believe that we can still be influenced for better or for worse through our dreams and we have to make sure that we are not inviting something into our lives which could potentially harm us.

*goes back and reads again* Oh. If you're trying to WILD and are practicing falling asleep while maintaining aware, that's just another part of lucid dreaming. You're not doing anything satanic or hypocritical. You're just going through a natural body process, only this time you're still awake while it happens. I had a dream once where at one point it felt like my soul was starting to leave my body. It was quite a unique experience!

If your mom has any doubts about lucid dreaming, I would be happy to answer questions from my experience. Feel free to PM me if you feel the need. As long as she trusts you to make good decisions, there shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, I still wonder about oobies too - but since there's no verifiable evidence that they're anything other than a different form of LD, I'm not really bothered about them anymore. When I thought they were real they freaked the heck out of me.

I devote my time to my faith and I find nothing wrong with it as long as I don't break my morals such as what I follow in every day life... such as murder or rape.

OBE's on the other hand... If they are real I wouldn't do them because it is "mystic". You can choose what to believe on that.


"God gives some dreams meaning if you are lucid you will miss them" Do you not think God, the all powerful cannot change our lucid dream or make us lose lucidity?

As Ame said, Sleep paralysis is perfectly natural and happens every night so we don't act out our dreams. But when you wild you can observe it happening. Note: You can WILD without it. You just will experience it sometimes

Whats and OBE?

If she seems genuinely interested in what you're doing, explain that what you're doing is different the OBE's. You're not trying to leave your body nor welcoming any sort of spiritual being- you're merely trying to trigger a certain stage of sleep.
A lot of people- Christians especially, are scared of Sleep Paralysis because so many people experience demonic type hallucinations. Try explaining to her what the true mechanics are but don't dismiss her concerns because sometimes (in my opinion) demonic entities ARE involved, but rarely.

But if she's really not interested or it makes her too uncomfortable, try holding your tongue about such subjects.
My kids, for example, are extremely interested in witchcraft, alchemy (the sort depicted in cartoons lol) and the likes. Even though I used to be a solitary practicioner of Wicca, I'm now a devout Christian and they've come to realize that talking about certain things will get them nowhere and we'll only butt heads on certain subjects. They now only mention their spiritual interests if they truly want my opinion and education (which involves spiritual subjects that keep me talking for hours lol).

**Edit**
No- Sleep Paralysis is not the same as on OBE. An OBE is where you try to have either your spirit or your consciousness leave your body to experience certain things. Think of near death experiences where people believe they leave their body and are aware of things that are going on even though they're unconscious.

I like knowing that it's possible to be Christian, or religious in any sort of way, and lucid dream. I feared it was sacreligous (sp?) or something.

Hmm...

I don't believe religion has anything to do with OBE's or lucid dreaming. I have astral projected many times before I started getting into ld's and It never messed me up...just gave me wonderful experiences and feelings

I'm a Hindu but I don't let that play a role in this part of my spiritual life.

Lucid dreamers can actually be quite skeptical. Many beleive that so called OBE's/Astral Travelling are no more than a variation of lucid dreaming.

Interestingly enough, many of the arguments used by Astral Travellers on Lucid Dreamers to "prove" their assertions are very similar to those that the religious use on athiests.

Make of that what you will.

Originally Posted by Sorox

Well i told my mom that i tried to make my body fall asleep and that it felt like i was out of my body. She told me not to mess around with out of body experiences because it could cause things. I told her it was just my body falling asleep. Anybody else have Christian parents who are skeptic about this?

Out of Body experiences aren't out of body in the literal sense, I mean, where would you be recieving nervous input from if not your body via your nervous system?

I know the feeling, though, when you relax, you can trick yourself into feeling something you aren't actually experiencing, i.e. falling backwards while you're laying flat. It's nothing to be worried about-- That's just why they call it "falling" asleep.

Anyway, you're mother's just being pedantic.