Thread: Drug use?

I've always been interested in dreams but I've just recently started researching lucid dreaming, and now I want to attempt to gain control of myself whilst dreaming. Question though, if one goes to sleep under the influence of drugs could this change things? I smoke some ganja on occasion, though I doubt this minor of a drug would affect anything...opinions? thanks

Yeah there are many many, drugs might not be the right word, maybe chemicals or herbs.
There's the dream herb (look it up on Wikipedia).
I've had success remembering dreams better with green tea, I think there one called Gelemaine or something like that.
Choline Bitartrate helps dream recall, remembering your dreams better.
Apple juice, or orange juice wakes your mind up and makes it more conscious.
Nutmeg I have heard is also good (though only in small doses too much can get you in a horrible high like being ill or even kill you, so like only a teaspoon I think).
Any more you remember or find out just tell me about them.

I've had a few lucid dreams when I was drunk. Marijauna will kill your dream recall, so does most mind altering substances.

I agree marijuana will kill your dream recall because it destroys your memory, not saying to use it to relax just use it in moderation, but drunk lucid dreaming that's weird.

Originally Posted by littlesamurai

I agree marijuana will kill your dream recall because it destroys your memory, not saying to use it to relax just use it in moderation, but drunk lucid dreaming that's weird.

FALSE!
Marijuana doesn't destroy you memory. it just blocks it for a while. THC is also used for old people who cannot remember much!!!!
Alcohol does destroy your memory!

yeah drunk dreaming is wweeeiird

I thought it did, oh well I guess I haven't researched up on it much, but you know stoned dreaming then would inhibit dream recall because when you're high or stoned you forget this very easily. I should try drunk dreaming, whats it like?

Originally Posted by Flo

FALSE!
Marijuana doesn't destroy you memory. it just blocks it for a while. THC is also used for old people who cannot remember much!!!!
Alcohol does destroy your memory!

yeah drunk dreaming is wweeeiird

Actually, the reason they use it to help old people remember is because it reduces your short term memory but increases your long term memory and seeing as they honestly have neither; the lack of one for the aid of another is surely a just cause.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I've had a few lucid dreams when I was drunk. Marijauna will kill your dream recall, so does most mind altering substances.

Speak for yourself. My memory and dream recall are not adversely affected by Marijuana.

i dont know about illegal drugs but theres this tea called kavakava tea i take sometimes its like a natural high drug and i always have crazy dreams when i have some to night before

tell more about this teas please, i think ive heard of it before
or was that kratom, either way if you coudl provide some background i woudl appreciate it

Originally Posted by pfister691

I've always been interested in dreams but I've just recently started researching lucid dreaming, and now I want to attempt to gain control of myself whilst dreaming. Question though, if one goes to sleep under the influence of drugs could this change things? I smoke some ganja on occasion, though I doubt this minor of a drug would affect anything...opinions? thanks

Well obviously

Drugs which affect the brain affect the dreams.

I have tried LDing under the influence of MARIJUANA

Before.


It made my dreams less vivid.

This is obviously personal, to whoever the user is. From what I've heard, it doesn't help usually.

That is all.



(I suggest trying it, and seeing how it works for you. But don't be expectant of great things.)

i highley reccomend kava kava tea for anyone looking to have a better chance in lds it makes my dreams very vivid and if u read on it thats one of its side effects take some a hour or 2 before you go to bed its really cheap and its a natural root !

I heard kava kava can be dangerous, is this true?

-in my experience- drugs will inhibit your abilities to have lucid dreams.

kava kava isnt dangerous aslong as you dont take to much of it at once.. i mean alot of one time! there been times where people have actually got dui`s from taking kava kava tea, it also can be dangerous if u take kava with alcohol. Aslong as you have it with no other drug (especially alcohol) and about 2 tea spoons of it there is no danger with kava it`s a natural root.

Originally Posted by Flo

it's hard to describe what it is like. my "drunk dreams" are like trashy splatter-movies with a lot of cuts and a weird plot
the dream makes absolutely no sense and it changes from one second to the other from comedy to horror and back again, if you know what i mean.

LOL, great description, spot on with my drunk dreams.

Originally Posted by Narttram

Be careful with Kratom, it may not be that harmful but even though its legal you can get physically addicted pretty fast.

A good thing to heed. Treat kratom with respect. Moderating a drug-related forum has shown me a lot of people start taking it since it's mainly legal, but have a very difficult time stopping.
I recently stopped using kratom for a week to make sure I wasn't getting too addicted and had withdrawal symptoms the whole time. Not fun.

I don't ever recall kava having much much impact on my dream life but I didn't experiment much with it, so perhaps I'll give it another try.

I have found that salvia divinorum has a big impact on dreams, creating more lucidity and recall, but I don't recommend people use the plant as it's extremely powerful and even seasoned acid-heads can have a very tough time with this plant. If an individual does feel inclined to try, I recommend a tincture or quid method as opposed to smoking as it's much more subtle, rather than tearing your reality and ego-sense apart like a bear ripping into some small fuzzy animal.

I have also frequently heard that Calea zacatechichi is good for enhancing dreaming.

Salvia did not give me particlarly better recall. I smoked almost half a gram of 20x. My experience was interesting and very worthwhile though. Everyone's body reacts differently to substances and no general rule can be made about anything. Calea has helped some people with lucid dreams to the point of being able to re-enter a lucid dream after being awake for a considerable amount of time, while it did nothing for others.

Kava kava in a pill form failed too to increase my dream recall but I too have heard that freshly ground roots contain significantly more of the active chemical. Some people report that kava kava effects are not felt the first few times of usage, similar to marijuana. Although that too, is subjective to your own body chemistry.

Salvia is one of the few drugs that I would say I can "recommend" I took a lot of different things, still do and won't regret but with salvia you can be sure it wont hurt you and you wont get addicted, although I did not experience any improve in my recall...

Originally Posted by pfister691

I've always been interested in dreams but I've just recently started researching lucid dreaming, and now I want to attempt to gain control of myself whilst dreaming. Question though, if one goes to sleep under the influence of drugs could this change things? I smoke some ganja on occasion, though I doubt this minor of a drug would affect anything...opinions? thanks

Which do you want more: the natural high of Lucid Dreams or the effects of a drug which will have bad side effects? If you get so that you can regularly have Lucid Dreams, which has no bad side effects, why ruin it? Skip the drugs.

Initially I thought you were asking if there were a drug which would actually help you have LDs. Even if there were a drug which would help me have Lucid Dreams, I wouldn't take it because then I would be dependent upon it to do what I want. Screw that! Lucid Dreaming is a natural capability, that no one can make illegal. Start attaching drugs to it and you lose control of it if someone decides to ban your substance.

I rather suspect that most drugs would interfere with this, a natural ability. Better to live a healthful lifestyle. Try the "drugs" of regular sleep, eating a balanced diet, regular exercise, etc, and you will do better.

I am all for legalizing all drugs to take the profit motive out it them; if people want to take drugs, they should be able to do whatever they want--so long as they are not driving. But I would never advise anybody to take "recreational" drugs for any reason; they are mostly destructive. Man hasn't evolved for millions of years to be one way only to have some chemist (or farmer) make or grow something that will improve the way we are: I do not trust the laboratory to make something safe for me to take unless it has been tested as long as we've been evolving. (I do make an exception for vaccines.)

So to answer your question, I'd avoid the drugs even if there were one which could help induce Lucid Dreams. That would be like riding a bike with training wheels: you could never ride without them; learn to ride without the training wheels. Don't depend on drugs for anything.