Trouble WILDing

[Happiness is a Warm Gun]

I've been practicing for a while now, and the tingles and hallucinations begin almost as soon as I lie down thanks to the 61 pt relaxation technique. I frequently even feel the falling sensation or accidentally start to snore, but I don't fall asleep. Whether I use mantras, autosuggestion, daytime naps, breath focus or visualization (I usually try all of these during each attempt), 45 minutes later I'm still in bed, tingly but able to move. Eventually, I just give up and allow myself to fall unconscious. At this point, I seem to have a good degree of control in most of my dreams. I alter 'reality' to my whim, but I rarely realize that I'm dreaming, so my whim is determined by free association rather than conscious decision-making. I'm sure this phase happens to many lucid dreamers, so hopefully someone has good advice on getting past it.

[Robot_Butler]

I'm just guessing, but maybe your timing is wrong. Try doing exactly what you are doing now, but 30 minutes earlier or later. Experiment a little. (I'm assuming you do this after about 3-5 hours of sleep and a WBTB) Also, remember that you need to be relaxed enough to fall asleep. It is not traditional meditation, where you are trying to keep your mind totally alert and clear. You need some random thoughts sneaking in to drift closer and closer to sleep. I'm sure you know what I mean if you've had experience laying there for 45 minutes.

[ninja9578]

I would also suggest that you might be moving something that you aren't aware of. I would surmise that it would be your eyes, they are a dead giveaway to your body that you aren't asleep so it will delay putting you into total paralysis until those stop moving. As robot_butler said, you could also not be timing your WILDs right. You can only successfully enter a WILD if you wake up to do it during or immediately before a REM cycle.

[erik212]

Well, your eyes are kind separate from the rest of your body during sleep, since you can still move them while asleep or in SP.