Thread: WILD without WBTB? or meditation into a WILD

Hey could someone say meditate into a WILD on no sleep? I'm always a side/stomach sleeper so I figure if I'm sitting up at an incline on my back It'll be easy to keep from falling asleep. I know about the REM cycles and why WBTB makes it easier to WILD, I'm just wondering if it's possible since I'm probably not going to get any sleep tonight (slept too much last night ) and wanted to at least try something tonight before school.

Staying lucid and the apathetic focus of lasting through hypnagogic imagery stages of WILD seem similar to me in theory (since I'm novice). I realize it'd take alot longer but wouldn't it be a good way to practice one's ability to maintain consciousness?

well i tried having a WILD with out WBTB. And i came very close. But i chickened out as it scared me abit. But yeah i think it would be possible.

Yes to maintain focus while getting deeper and and deeper is what its all about. So to meditate a whole night instead of falling to sleep while trying i would say is better. And then you have bigger chance of success.

That sounds quite difficult. You'd have to stay aware while slipping into that lower level of coinciousness for 90 minutes, plus however long it takes for you to actually start falling asleep. Good luck and please post any results if you have any.

Originally posted by gameover
That sounds quite difficult. You'd have to stay aware while slipping into that lower level of coinciousness for 90 minutes, plus however long it takes for you to actually start falling asleep. Good luck and please post any results if you have any.

Heh yeah, this was way too intense of a task for an amateur like me. It probably wasn't just my inexperience though, it was too hot to get comfortable in my room last night. Oh well at least I tried.

Don't beat yourself up there ironlung, that is a very very difficult task to achieve. A normal WILD is hard enough, multiply it by 2 by not doing the WBTB techinque. It can be done, but the concentration needed is too great...

I kind of accidently tried this last night when I went to bed at 5.00am...

I came into a state where I started to breath heavy and eyes started to feel like they were flashing and every time I started breathing slower I felt myself conciously drifting off but then I had to breath heavy again and I went back to the heavy breathing face.

Does anyone have an idea where in the WILD I exactly was?