hello dreamers!

**roguext22** · 10-17-2007 04:18 PM

I hope there are not many Dreamers.. because im here to chat with clear minds

Im 22... i was interested some years ago in.. how to oobe...

I wish i found normal people.. with no nonsence talk, rubbish talk, or other sleeping snuzzle...
That means i talk directly, logicaly, with no ( believing ) as such...

if you believe, then you dont know... If you know, you dont need to believe...

**Oneironaut Zero** · 10-17-2007 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by roguext22

I hope there are not many Dreamers.. because im here to chat with clear minds

Im 22... i was interested some years ago in.. how to oobe...

I wish i found normal people.. with no nonsence talk, rubbish talk, or other sleeping snuzzle...
That means i talk directly, logicaly, with no ( believing ) as such...

if you believe, then you dont know... If you know, you dont need to believe...

Welcome to Dream Views.

I must say that I don't necessarily understand your opening statement. We are all dreamers here, in the literal sense. If you are talking about "people who are stuck in the mind-frame of fantasy," then I'm afraid it might contradict your premise for being here.

OOBE's are, as yet, an unproven science. At the best of common knowledge, OOBE's are dreams and/or hypnogogic imagery that consists of the vision of being outside of one's body. If you are speaking about actual Astral Travel, and the like, then I might have to argue that there is nothing more than a belief that these things exist. They have not been proven any other way than subjectively.

So, if you are hear to talk about the possibility of OOBE's existing, and hear experiences from other people, you will first have to concede that any support for their existence is, as of yet, based on belief, not objective knowledge, for the sake of keeping the discussions logical.

Hope this helps clear up any confusion. Enjoy your stay, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask around.