Thread: I'm new,. What is OOB?

Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

OOB is something real, not like a lucid dream. What you experience in a OOB takes place in the reality. If you want to stalk someone you can go ahead. You can even switch to "other dimensions" and see creatures. I recommend you to read Journeys Out of the Body bu Robert A. Monroe.

So this is like astral projection? The thing is,. I'm not yet sure that I believe in that, however I'm 100% committed to trying to achieve it. Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap? As everywhere on line people seem to be talking about vibrating and stuff I have no clue about.

I think this is going to be really interesting because as I said I'm skeptical but a regular lucid dreamer so I see this as a great opportunity to un-biasly test the idea of astral projection.

Sorry for waffling

Originally Posted by jjstubbs

Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap?

No it doesn't. It has a WILD technique like tutorial on how to do a successfull OBB.

Spoiler for Monroe's Technique:

Step one:

Relax the body. According to Monroe, "the ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself" to having an OBE. (out of body experience) This includes both physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a method of attaining this relaxation, although Progressive Muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3.... until 50 or 100) are known to work well.

Step two:

Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnagogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any method of doing this. One way is to hold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition A.

Step three:

Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe calls Condition C-- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts.

The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap.

Step Four:

Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one.

For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions:

1. Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin.

2. Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light.

3. Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north.

4. Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable.

5. Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.

6. Enter a state of relaxation

7. Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times.

8. Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth.

9. As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you.

10. Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet.

11. Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body.

Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them.

Step five:

Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command. Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body.

Step six:

Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you to lose control of the state.

Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body". Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full separation.

Step seven:

Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point.

Another method is the "Rotation method" or "roll-out" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. /do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body.
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Try to leave the lucid dream but dont move at all. Just skip to step 3!

Ooo,. Ok thanks a lot. I'll give that a try.
Do you think my skepticism will be a barrier to me achieving anything beyond a lucid dream?

Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

Spoiler for Monroe's Technique:

Step one:


Step Four:

Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague. Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one.

I just want to start out saying that I believe that OBE and AP are just dreams, but it's interesting you should mention electricity because a couple of years ago when I was trying to WILD (incorrectly) by meditating and I felt like I had been shocked and I freaked out, jumped out of bed and ended up taking sedatives so I could forget about it and just pass out. Shit freaked me out - this was (obviously) before I read your post and I know nothing about those kind of experiences so it definitely wasn't placebo or an illusion and like I said I don't even believe in those experiences and have no knowledge of how to supposedly induce one.

I apologize if I offended anyone with alternate viewpoints regarding these things. This is a really freaky coincidence I may do some reading on this stuff.

Originally Posted by jjstubbs

So this is like astral projection? The thing is,. I'm not yet sure that I believe in that, however I'm 100% committed to trying to achieve it. Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap? As everywhere on line people seem to be talking about vibrating and stuff I have no clue about.

I think this is going to be really interesting because as I said I'm skeptical but a regular lucid dreamer so I see this as a great opportunity to un-biasly test the idea of astral projection.

Sorry for waffling

This might have been answered but...

OBE and Astral Projection not the same... it is at some degree, but it is not in terms of energy.

On an OBE, you see your physical body and you are pretty much a ghost. A medium can sense you and you can interact at some degree with the physical plane. OBE occurs in the physical plane/real time plane/near to the Veil. Astral Projection is a higher state and you might not see your body at all nor interact with this plane, you can travel far (check my signature) and interact with higher beings. Sure, it is pretty much the same, but AP is a higher level.

Originally Posted by jjstubbs

Its been a couple of months now but ye ,. I think I had a bit of a head start in that I've been lucid dreaming for as long as I can remember. One thing I will say is that I think all of the guides and stuff that I read online didn't really help,. what I experienced wasn't really what I expected. What I've learned is that its just about will, if you try to define what an OBE is before you do it youl probably fail because youl be trying to create that explicit experience.
The issue for me is now facing the questions that this raises in my own mind about our existence and the universe and stuff :/

Keep me updated on how you get on cuz the whole thing is really starting to blow my mind!,. and I'll let you know if something else happens,.

Our reality is a joke... trust me... nothing is real, only we perceive it to be real. Even God or whatever way you call it is just a "Border' as there is much more beyond God/Source.... we are a spec of a spec of a spec of a whole infinite that is just another spec from something much greater and this to the infinite...

This is not much, but it might help a bit inspire... I have written some experiences on higher planes:

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...ojection-9512/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...d-dream-17807/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...-so-far-17199/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...jection-16672/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...aration-16222/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...istence-15930/

Thank you!

Ah thanks man, I'll definitely read them. So in your opinion is astral projection much harder than OBE? it does make sense to me that they are different because when I was out of my body I had no 'astral body', I expected that I would have some sort of 'ghost body' or something because of all of the guides I've read on climbing, rolling and floating out of my body but it really was just 'remote viewing' i could see clearly and move my conciousness wherever I chose through will but there was literally nothing to me. Should I have some sort of 'astral body' when having an OBE, or is this right?

I've studied astral projection/Out of body experiences. You may be correct but I am just going to share my input on this anyway.

Have you ever really considered that it might as-well just be the same? Don't answer that it's a rhetorical question. The reason I am saying this is because us as physical beings we tend to basically Label things? We use these so called thing "Labels" to see the different things in life, As you would know everything in this world is categoric in order to make sense. So, Since it's a Label, it meant different to each and every Individual on this planet, So, Merely you make it what it is made out to be. Now, saying that, I am not saying you call it anything you want, Of course it's going to be related to what everyone else is saying but you will have your own twist to it, You never know someone might agree with you on what you're actually saying. I can see the difference between astral projection and Out of body experiences, For me out of body experiences can be your consciousness/astral body/spirit/essence leaving your body and entering different realms. As for Astral project, well this states all. You're setting your intention to travel to the astral plane, but what if you astral project and you decided to come to the Etheric plane(Parallel to our existence)? would that still count as Astral project? This is why I stated above I can tell the difference between the both of them, But also they are very much a like. I hope this makes sense, if it does not. Please let me know and I will re-phrase it in better words.

EDIT: Sorry for the long reply., Again, Either way a LD, Out of body Experience, or astral projection they all fall under the category of "Projections" so they can all be said to be apart of the same world?

~Josh