I'm new,. What is OOB?

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Originally Posted by jjstubbs

So I had a few LD's last night and there are 2 that I remember very clearly. The first one I realized that I was dreaming and constructed my bedroom in my dream, I then imagined my body floating down and lying on my bed - where I knew I was sleeping. I thought to myself 'right I'm going get out of my body' and attempted to 'sit up', all that happened was I actually sat up in my bed and woke up.
I lay down and went back to sleep,. In my next LD I decided I would try the 'roll over' technique, I then tried to roll over and actually dreamt that it worked and I was astral projecting,. I know that it was an LD Cuz I could still control/craft my reality.

Still nothing on the OBE front...

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Good job! You actually got quite far. Well, further than me :P
Im still strugling with the easy things. Keep it up ;) Eventually, you'll make it!

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Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

Good job! You actually got quite far. Well, further than me :P
Im still strugling with the easy things. Keep it up ;) Eventually, you'll make it!

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How are your efforts going?,. What have you experienced?

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Originally Posted by jjstubbs

How are your efforts going?,. What have you experienced?

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Today I have had my first LD after a couple of years. I think im getting it :)
Check out my DJ. I want to learn lucid dreaming before OOB. Also FILD may result in OOB. I hope I can achieve it with that technique.

Ah ok,. I keep seeing these acronyms around the forum but aren't yet well read up on them. 'leaving my body' whilst in a lucid dream is starting to seem like a bust so I'll look into the techniques that ppl are suggesting,. the experiment goes on :)

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Originally Posted by Hackfleisch

Today I have had my first LD after a couple of years. I think im getting it :)
Check out my DJ. I want to learn lucid dreaming before OOB. Also FILD may result in OOB. I hope I can achieve it with that technique.

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also,. congrats on the LD :) Tebrikler!

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Originally Posted by jjstubbs

Tebrikler!

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Sağol :D

I THINK I DID IT!

So 6 hours after going to sleep last night I woke up, I then stayed awake for a while (I've read about WILD). When I was completely awake I turned the lights off and went back to bed, with the intention of maintaining complete awareness. I fell asleep! lol

Here's where it gets a little strange, I wasnt Lucid dreaming, however I knew that I wanted to have an OBE so (in my dream) I closed my eyes, looked up and tried to leave my body, at which point I became completely lucid and it felt like I was leaving my physical body. This was accompanied by incredible vibrations that I felt running up and down my body (felt kind of like my bones tingling), I could see the sky and I was rising higher and higher in it.
I wanted to prove to myself that this was somehow more than a dream so I 'projected' myself to my house, floated through my back door and the through the ceiling into my room where I found myself sleeping in bed, RIIIGGGHHHTTTTTTTT!!! :D,. I floated at ceiling hight looking at my body asleep in bed but as I tried to get closer to my body I kind of got 'sucked back in' and felt myself back in my physical body, at which point I woke up.

I was really exited and lay down to try and have another OBE, at which point I found myself again floating in my room looking at my body, but I felt a dark presence in the room which scared the hell out of me - I mean really really scared me, so I scrambled back into my body and woke up. I thought this was a pretty successful attempt but was to scared to try again.

The 2nd attempt was pretty terrifying but I'm still so exiting as I think I have now officially had OBE's :),. I can still remember the entire thing as clearly as anything.

I am so freking jealous. It works for you after a few weeks. I have been practising for years yet is doest work!!!

Its been a couple of months now but ye :),. I think I had a bit of a head start in that I've been lucid dreaming for as long as I can remember. One thing I will say is that I think all of the guides and stuff that I read online didn't really help,. what I experienced wasn't really what I expected. What I've learned is that its just about will, if you try to define what an OBE is before you do it youl probably fail because youl be trying to create that explicit experience.
The issue for me is now facing the questions that this raises in my own mind about our existence and the universe and stuff :/

Keep me updated on how you get on cuz the whole thing is really starting to blow my mind!,. and I'll let you know if something else happens,. :)

Okay. I have got a really good technique but in order to do that I need to be awake. I found an awesome app in google play called 'Alarm Clock Plus'. It starts making noises on the time you want and it and the the volume increases every ten second until you turn it off. I put it on everynight. I wake up to the alarm but my mind doesn't want to get f**king conciouss. If I only could get consciouss.

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Originally Posted by jjstubbs

So this is like astral projection? The thing is,. I'm not yet sure that I believe in that, however I'm 100% committed to trying to achieve it. Does the book you suggested discuss how to go from a lucid dream to an ap? As everywhere on line people seem to be talking about vibrating and stuff I have no clue about.

I think this is going to be really interesting because as I said I'm skeptical but a regular lucid dreamer so I see this as a great opportunity to un-biasly test the idea of astral projection.

Sorry for waffling :)

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This might have been answered but...

OBE and Astral Projection not the same... it is at some degree, but it is not in terms of energy.

On an OBE, you see your physical body and you are pretty much a ghost. A medium can sense you and you can interact at some degree with the physical plane. OBE occurs in the physical plane/real time plane/near to the Veil. Astral Projection is a higher state and you might not see your body at all nor interact with this plane, you can travel far (check my signature) and interact with higher beings. Sure, it is pretty much the same, but AP is a higher level.

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Originally Posted by jjstubbs

Its been a couple of months now but ye :),. I think I had a bit of a head start in that I've been lucid dreaming for as long as I can remember. One thing I will say is that I think all of the guides and stuff that I read online didn't really help,. what I experienced wasn't really what I expected. What I've learned is that its just about will, if you try to define what an OBE is before you do it youl probably fail because youl be trying to create that explicit experience.
The issue for me is now facing the questions that this raises in my own mind about our existence and the universe and stuff :/

Keep me updated on how you get on cuz the whole thing is really starting to blow my mind!,. and I'll let you know if something else happens,. :)

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Our reality is a joke... trust me... nothing is real, only we perceive it to be real. Even God or whatever way you call it is just a "Border' as there is much more beyond God/Source.... we are a spec of a spec of a spec of a whole infinite that is just another spec from something much greater and this to the infinite...

This is not much, but it might help a bit inspire... I have written some experiences on higher planes:

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...ojection-9512/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...d-dream-17807/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...-so-far-17199/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...jection-16672/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...aration-16222/

http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/perc...istence-15930/

Thank you!

Ah thanks man, I'll definitely read them. So in your opinion is astral projection much harder than OBE? it does make sense to me that they are different because when I was out of my body I had no 'astral body', I expected that I would have some sort of 'ghost body' or something because of all of the guides I've read on climbing, rolling and floating out of my body but it really was just 'remote viewing' i could see clearly and move my conciousness wherever I chose through will but there was literally nothing to me. Should I have some sort of 'astral body' when having an OBE, or is this right?

I would not say it is harder. When someone gets started, it usually means getting OBEs, but once you are able to last longer out of your body, it becomes simple. Physical life is a challenge and requires physical effort to do everything (whether or not is tired of you, if you need to walk, your muscles have to work, etc.) In a lucid dream, you still have some challenges (dream control, prevention of awakening, etc.) On an OBE/Astral Projection it is just a thought what moves you, that's it. At first you will always experience an OBE, but once out, it is as easy as demand and visualize your vibrations increasing, light entering your body and your body turning into light.. that will push you to higher realms of expensive, hence Astral Projection.

I forgot to post one of my best AP experiences:

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Originally Posted by Percylucid's Dream Journal

27.01.2013

Reaching the Pleiades through Astral Projection (Non-lucid)

NON-DREAM Astral Projection LUCID

I was laying down in bed, ready to fall asleep. Many nights, I focus on Astral Projection as I go to sleep or if I awake in the middle of the night, but I was not thinking about it this time. I started to hear some strong buzzing sounds, that I knew that they were not external sounds. As a child, usually when I heard these sounds, it was very possible I was going to have a nightmare. I was not afraid because I would enter my Nightmare fully lucid (I would be aware that I was dreaming, and that it was not real) However, I did not feel like nightmares, so I tried to awaken myself, but of course, I was not able due sleep paralysis (A harmful phenomena that happens when we fall asleep, so we do not act out our dreams, but you feel paralyzed if your mind is awake and your body asleep) Suddenly, I asked myself, "Buzzing sounds go related with Astral Projection, it is very possible that separation is about to occurr." I did not feel any vibrations (during a conscious Astral Projection, most of the times you feel vibrations, like if your body shakes, but do not worry, this is normal, it is just your Astral Body separating from your Physical Body)

I visualized myself floating and very light. Very soon I felt I was floating, I was weightless and was liberated of the limits that a physical body has. I had no sigh (this happens sometimes) but I knew I was in the Astral Plane. I protected myself and asked to be taken to the Pleiades Star System. I gained Astral Sight almost immediately, and I started to float higher, at an extreme speed. I felt I was traveling at a huge speed and I saw our planet Earth left behind almost instantaneous.Space moved around me extremely faster, faster than the speed of Light (but not with that funny effect that Science Fiction movies create) I saw the Pleiades Star System in front of me and I entered one of the planets.

I found myself in a rocky planet. The sky was a very intense blue (way more than our's here in Earth) and also the Light was way more bright than a sunny day here at Earth. It was very possible that more than one sun illuminated this planet. I was next to a rocky Obelisk, that it appeared to be a building, but nothing even close to what a building looks like here. It was shaped as an Obelisk. I visualized this point as Point number 1 (in order to have good memory recall on an Astral Prokection, is crucial to "mark points" like "I was here" in order for your mind to recall the experience easier and clearer. You use these points of reference once back in the body and you can record your experience in "blocks")

Once this was done, I decided to travel to the closest planet to the one I was in. I visualized this happening, but as soon as I started to move, I felt my physical body and I was back in bed, fully consciously awake. (During an Astral Projection, you have limited Energy, like a "battery" of energy that is transferred to your astral body. Once you run out of Energy, you return to your body. The more you Astral Project, the stronger you become, and more "battery power" you have. Traveling long distances consume a lot of Energy, so for those who are getting started, I recommend "staying home" and traveling around your city or country. With time, practice and patience, you will get whever you desire)


And this was my experience. I had a lot of travels, but this is one of the farthest travels I had experienced so far. It was a very intense experience that will be hard to forget (not that I want to forget it anyway!) I hope you enjoyed my experience. And for those who are adventuring in the Astral Realm, keep working on it, you know how rewarding is. If you have any questions, I will be happy to help out!.

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Many times, not having a body is okay. Pure consciousness is what we really are. If you think of your Astral Body, one will appear. There are higher planes were a thought becomes reality as soon as it forms in your mind (hence the advice to AP when in good mood, no holding fear, etc.)

I've studied astral projection/Out of body experiences. You may be correct but I am just going to share my input on this anyway.

Have you ever really considered that it might as-well just be the same? Don't answer that it's a rhetorical question. The reason I am saying this is because us as physical beings we tend to basically Label things? We use these so called thing "Labels" to see the different things in life, As you would know everything in this world is categoric in order to make sense. So, Since it's a Label, it meant different to each and every Individual on this planet, So, Merely you make it what it is made out to be. Now, saying that, I am not saying you call it anything you want, Of course it's going to be related to what everyone else is saying but you will have your own twist to it, You never know someone might agree with you on what you're actually saying. I can see the difference between astral projection and Out of body experiences, For me out of body experiences can be your consciousness/astral body/spirit/essence leaving your body and entering different realms. As for Astral project, well this states all. You're setting your intention to travel to the astral plane, but what if you astral project and you decided to come to the Etheric plane(Parallel to our existence)? would that still count as Astral project? This is why I stated above I can tell the difference between the both of them, But also they are very much a like. I hope this makes sense, if it does not. Please let me know and I will re-phrase it in better words.

EDIT: Sorry for the long reply., Again, Either way a LD, Out of body Experience, or astral projection they all fall under the category of "Projections" so they can all be said to be apart of the same world?

~Josh

Everytime I read about OBE's I get goosebumps. I mean you go anywhere. Somewhere you can never imagine would exist. Like an other exo planet. You can go to the gold reserves. You could visit your family far somewhere else. I mean it's so awesome. I can't imagine it. I really wanna do an OBE because I feel 'Traped' in here. I want to go outside of my skin and fly far far away with knowing Im safe and that what im seeing is completly real and not a product of my mind. I feel sooo jealous about everyone who can do it and has done it. Wish me luck :(

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Everytime I read about OBE's I get goosebumps. I mean you go anywhere. Somewhere you can never imagine would exist. Like an other exo planet. You can go to the gold reserves. You could visit your family far somewhere else. I mean it's so awesome. I can't imagine it. I really wanna do an OBE because I feel 'Traped' in here. I want to go outside of my skin and fly far far away with knowing Im safe and that what im seeing is completly real and not a product of my mind. I feel sooo jealous about everyone who can do it and has done it. Wish me luck :(

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Practice practice practice, Do not try to force it to happen. it will happen when you're ready.

Ah,. good luck man! :)

That's why I was so exited about my OBE because unlike a LD i knew what I was seeing was real,. I have really really exiting dreams but I always know that there dreams wheres when I was in my room floating around i knew that I was exploring the 'real world' in a sort of limitless way,. that reeeeallllyyyyy exited me :D,. just hope I can keep it up now,.

Amazing projection story aswell :)

Okay. I FINALLY managed to get up to my alarm clock. I was tired as hell so I thought it would be good to try the Finger Induced Lucid Dream (FILD). I lovered my head on the pillow. Then my brain started talking. It wouldn't shut the hell up. So I woke up more and more till It got awake and couldn't get back to sleep. I was so close tho.

Yeeaaa man!:)!!!!

So did you fall asleep?

After 2 hours of insomnia, yes!

Ah no!,. Im sorry mate,. thats sucks,. I really wanna give you advise but I'm not qualified lol

Had another/semi OBE last night,. I basically did exactly what I did to achieve the first couple of OBE's I had,. I went to bed early(ish) and set my alarm for 6 hours later,.
Turns out I didnt need it because 6 hours into my sleep I just woke up (my body always seems to wake me up a couple mins before my alarms go off). I got up turned the lights on and had a walk around the house, then when it felt right I turned the lights of and went back to bed with the intention of APing.
I slipped straight into a LD in which I though,. right time to leave my body and I visualised my conciousness leaving my physical body,. BOOM the vibrations started and I could see my room as my conciousness was exiting vertically out of my body. This only lasted for a few secconds (I think I got distracted) and I snapped back into my body with such a thud that it woke me up.

It's pretty exiting cuz even though I didnt really 'get out' last night,. I proved to myself that the system I've got works,.and I know how to induce an OBE,. So I'm just gonna keep doing it :D

Wow.. So awesome. Still no results from me. This is making me very angry and frustated.