Thread: Kraom's Workbook

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Hi Kraom,

Just stumbled upon your DJ and I'm impressed. You apparently did the SSILD technique very effectively! One thing I'd like to comment on is those instances where you had difficulty falling back to sleep and then afterward repeatedly woke up -- this is a sign of false awakenings induced by SSILD. SSILD is very good at creating these ultra realistic FAs which make you try to fall asleep while you are already sleeping! Therefore, you will want to pay attention to this kind of situations, and once you learn to identify these FAs your chance to succeed will increase a lot! Have fun!

Thanks for the info, I have noticed that I've had an increased amount of FAs all of them seeming really realistic. I've started trying to identify my FAs now and I can recognize some now.

Well said CosmicIron.. FA's are like a golden ticket to lucidity, once you are able to identify them and remember how they feel. I used to have them all the time, and I would get so frustrated by them, until I learned how to turn them into DEILDs.

Well last night I did not sleep well at all, I can't recall any dreams I had. I'm pretty sure that I was awake or in a half-awake state of delirium more than I actually slept, which is probably why I can't recall any dreams. All I remember is a recurring theme of thinking something about crystals and knights and kingdoms but instead of dreams I just had grayish visions accompany them that were cloudy at best.

Aww I'm sorry you didn't sleep well last night. Stress or what?

Anyway, hopefully tonight you'll sleep even better since you had a lack of it the night before.

Alright well I slept a lot better last night and I did end up becoming lucid, but I don't really count it because although I did realize I was dreaming I made a critical mistake, I thought about my waking body that was sleeping.. So immediately the dream started fading out and next thing I know I was back awake. I remember another instance of being lucid this morning as well except this one I'm not sure how it started and I only remember bits of it. I remember driving a car and being lucid and my younger brother was in the seat next to me and he was asking me something like aren't we dreaming and I told him not to think about it. Anyways I don't count any of this it's more like partial lucids for me.

That's interesting. I've had a few dreams where I thought about my sleeping body, but my dream didn't become unstable. I'll admit that I got confused as to whether I was moving my dream body or my real body, but that was more because I wasn't completely rational in my dreams. But as always, different results for different people.

Good job kraom, so many semi-lucids! Okay, I think I've decided on your title now. Dave's first part of his title related to his dreaming experiences, so yours has to also. You'll be the Semi-Lucid Matchmaker. Or the semi-lucid jack of all trades. Do either of those sound acceptable to you, dapper Mr. Kraom?

Originally Posted by Caenis

That's interesting. I've had a few dreams where I thought about my sleeping body, but my dream didn't become unstable. I'll admit that I got confused as to whether I was moving my dream body or my real body, but that was more because I wasn't completely rational in my dreams. But as always, different results for different people.

Good job kraom, so many semi-lucids! Okay, I think I've decided on your title now. Dave's first part of his title related to his dreaming experiences, so yours has to also. You'll be the Semi-Lucid Matchmaker. Or the semi-lucid jack of all trades. Do either of those sound acceptable to you, dapper Mr. Kraom?

Yea, I think that I didn't actually wake up but I went into a false awakening, I was moving my dream body and then the next thing I knew I was moving my real body although I'm fairly certain it was still a dream body. Anyways, hopefully I don't ruin my future full-lucids instead of having semi-lucids. Oh and just to clarify, I meant that I consider last night partial lucids. By "any of this" I was only referring to last night/this morning.

And I think I'd prefer my title to be The Semi-lucid Renaissance Man. (jack of all trades is too many words for my liking haha)

Originally Posted by Kraom

Yea, I think that I didn't actually wake up but I went into a false awakening, I was moving my dream body and then the next thing I knew I was moving my real body although I'm fairly certain it was still a dream body. Anyways, hopefully I don't ruin my future full-lucids instead of having semi-lucids. Oh and just to clarify, I meant that I consider last night partial lucids. By "any of this" I was only referring to last night/this morning.

Weren't you having semi-lucids earlier too? I remember you mentioning them, or maybe you just woke up really quickly and that's why you didn't count them.
I DID have a LD where I woke up moving my real body. So it's possible you did wake up. I guess I concentrated too hard on becoming focused and aware in the dream, and woke myself up in the process. I was hoping it was a FA, but alas, I RC'd and concluded I was awake. But most of the times where I was confused about moving my dream vs. real body, I was definitely asleep and not at risk of moving.

Originally Posted by kraom

And I think I'd prefer my title to be The Semi-lucid Renaissance Man. (jack of all trades is too many words for my liking haha)

That does sound much better! I knew there was another term I liked from when we were chatting, but I couldn't remember what it was. That was it, Renaissance Man. I also considered FA/SSILD being part of your title, but I couldn't think of any creative way to incorporate those. ...Not that semi-lucid is any better, but oh well. I never claimed to be a creative person.

How about the The Quasi-Lucid Renaissance Man, because quasi sounds leagues better than semi

Originally Posted by Banned

How about the The Quasi-Lucid Renaissance Man, because quasi sounds leagues better than semi

That's it right there...

Been trying out SSILDS as well! haven't had much luck yet, but i feel like i'm getting closer. Seems like you've had lots of progress with them(: when you wake up in the morning is it due to an alarm? and after you wake up do you go straight to doing your SSILD or do you try and become more awake first? any tips on them would help me a bunch, thanks!

Originally Posted by SirCronus

Been trying out SSILDS as well! haven't had much luck yet, but i feel like i'm getting closer. Seems like you've had lots of progress with them(: when you wake up in the morning is it due to an alarm? and after you wake up do you go straight to doing your SSILD or do you try and become more awake first? any tips on them would help me a bunch, thanks!

I wake up after around five to five and a half hours of sleep naturally and do my SSILD reps. And after I wake up I check my phones time, after that I go straight into my SSILD reps, the idea being that you want to do it sleepily but not to the extent that you'll fall back asleep while doing the reps, you want to do four. So my tips would be do as if it were a WBTB time-wise but don't actually stay awake for long, unless you fall asleep easily. (For me I tend to stay awake too long if I'm awake doing it for too long.) And my last tip is that I don't use this as a method to go straight into a lucid dream but as an aid for the mindset of lucid dreaming. Like it says in the actual thread for SSILD, it influences future lucid dreams, which essentially it puts you in the right mindset for lucid dreaming. Oh and also once you start doing SSILD you might notice yourself having FAs, I have had an extreme increase in false awakenings ever since starting this, like CosmicIron said above SSILD is good at creating ultra-realistic FAs. So make sure you reality check when you wake up, and best of luck to you.

Nothing really to report this morning no lucids, sub-par recall, and didn't do any induction methods. So I guess I'll update my dream goals since I've been meaning to.


Lucid dreaming tasks Updated!!
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(X) Stabilize my dreams better
-I can definitely stabilize now without doing verbal or physical things.
(X) Fly again
-Yep, I flew..
( ) Be a vampire
( ) Ride a unicorn
(/) Drive a car
-Drove a motorcycle which was probably cooler.. idk.
(/) Have a conversation with a dream character
-Does it count as a / if I tried and they disappeared haha.
( ) Control an element
( ) Use the internet
( ) Task of the month- Drink magical potion
( ) Spawn a DC as a dream companion
( ) Attempt respawning previous DC companion
(/) Telekinesis
-Tried it but it didn't work, pretty sure I know why.
( ) Time dilation
( ) Meet my dream guide

A motorcycle is way cooler

So this quasi-lucid stuff, it's because you suddenly become too aware of your real life body? I was just wondering if that was it specifically, because the times I worried about that in the past, I was worried about the same thing. For example, one time I wanted to yell "More Lucidity!" but I was afraid my real life voice would say it too, waking up my boyfriend and then I'd be really embarrassed haha. I ended up just going for it and he said he didn't hear anything. Another time, I was afraid to "get up out of my bed" in a newly formed LD, because I was afraid my real body would move, waking me up. I finally reached the point again where I said EFF IT and moved anyway, but I stayed lucid. I don't know if this is the same thing that you're experiencing or not, but it's something to think about. Oh, and also, I've experienced this at the end of a LD too, which sometimes wakes me up, but sometimes doesn't.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

So this quasi-lucid stuff, it's because you suddenly become too aware of your real life body? I was just wondering if that was it specifically, because the times I worried about that in the past, I was worried about the same thing. For example, one time I wanted to yell "More Lucidity!" but I was afraid my real life voice would say it too, waking up my boyfriend and then I'd be really embarrassed haha. I ended up just going for it and he said he didn't hear anything. Another time, I was afraid to "get up out of my bed" in a newly formed LD, because I was afraid my real body would move, waking me up. I finally reached the point again where I said EFF IT and moved anyway, but I stayed lucid. I don't know if this is the same thing that you're experiencing or not, but it's something to think about. Oh, and also, I've experienced this at the end of a LD too, which sometimes wakes me up, but sometimes doesn't.

Well the first one yes, is because not that I worried about it but I thought about my real life body in general, and I've heard that causes loss of lucidity so naturally I believed and then so it happened when I thought about it, and I didn't wake up I'm pretty sure I just went into a FA where it looked like I was moving my real body. And the other instance was just I didn't really recall the details of the lucid I just remember I was lucid and driving a car and that's all. Also, some that I count as quasi-lucid in the past were just when I would get overexcited and wake myself up or just have no stabilization.

Well, this morning was an interesting morning. I had three more Quasi-Lucid experiences (this title just gets more and more fitting) and one really long interesting non-lucid or dream I should say since we shouldn't call them non lucid haha, and then just a few other little dreams.

So let's start with the initial Quasi-Lucid, I had awoken later than I normally do but that didn't deter me from doing SSILD so I did and the went back to sleep. Alright so now I'm back asleep and in a dream. It appears that I'm at some party the party apparently for some girl who's trying to decided between which of these two men she was dating. The girl was blonde and the first man was also blonde (she seemed to like him better) and the other man was black haired (he seemed a bit jealous.) Anyways, I was watching them sitting on a couch and when I got up I saw a wall turn a polka dot pattern. I was thinking to myself that it was odd, and as I thought that as man's voice told me that I was dreaming. So now I became lucid but it was sort of hazy almost like my eyes were closed. I was saying, "Who said that? Who said that?" trying to figure out who it had been that told me I was dreaming. So, I was trying to open my eyes to get this haze away and the next thing I know my real life bodies eyes open.. Anyways, so I don't count that because I couldn't really do or see anything.. D:

Alright, on to the next! I had just awaken from my other Quasi-Lucid and decided that I would do more SSILD so I did then went back to sleep. And now I'm in a dream. So I was walking to a 7-11 with my older brother and he was talking to me about drinking asking me if I liked it. So once we were inside of the 7-11 he was asking me about if drinking was my new thing and if I liked it also at some point he used the word orgasmic to describe it. I hadn't said anything to him yet and was just kind of confused especially at his word choice. So I was about to tell him that I actually felt kind of drunk at the time we were talking, which then made me wonder how had I gotten this way.. So thinking back on it there was nothing so I came to the conclusion that I was in a dream. Then suddenly my dream just ended. So this one is even lesser then the first one didn't even get to do anything after I realized I was dreaming.

Alright final one. So I just recalled right now how this happened exactly. Was a little hazy on it. Anyways so, I had woken up from my first Quasi-Lucid stated here but I hadn't actually I was in a false awakening. So I got up and it seemed like my cousins were visiting at my house. Which I thought was a little odd but with my dream logic I decided not to question it. I remember walking down the stairs and then when I finally got to my pantry to look what was in it something made me question things I don't really recall what but something. So I became lucid yet again. And I don't remember much after that other than nothing happened.

Ok so that's all of that.. Yea interesting morning pretty sure that my lucidity was messed up because of how late in the morning it was and I would normally be awake already..
And I'll post my long interesting dream in my dream journal later after I put all the pieces of it together.

Wow, you had a busy morning! I know it's frustrating when you get lucid and it's right before you wake up. That still happens to me alot. One of the things that has helped me combat this is being able to sleep in as late as I want. Though most of my DEILDs occur between 8-10am or so, I like knowing that I could stay in bed as late as 12noon if I wanted to. That way there's no stress and I can comfortably go back to sleep in between each period of waking up (WBTB). Don't know if that's related to the issue your having or not, but it popped into my head. I was going to say something else too but I just forgot.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

Wow, you had a busy morning! I know it's frustrating when you get lucid and it's right before you wake up. That still happens to me alot. One of the things that has helped me combat this is being able to sleep in as late as I want. Though most of my DEILDs occur between 8-10am or so, I like knowing that I could stay in bed as late as 12noon if I wanted to. That way there's no stress and I can comfortably go back to sleep in between each period of waking up (WBTB). Don't know if that's related to the issue your having or not, but it popped into my head. I was going to say something else too but I just forgot.

Oh it was quite a busy morning, this all happened within an hour and a half of sleep and that also includes the dream I just posted in my dream journal which is a huge dream. Anyways my problem was that I think I was nearing the end of my sleep cycle since I normally would have been awake when they occurred. Although I guess it's possible that I just thought that so that is what happened, either way still a fun morning.

Yeah I love any lucids I have, or even "lucid challenged" dreams if they're vivid and I recall alot of detail.

I remembered the other thing I wanted to say: another cool thing about you getting lucid the way you do (in the middle of the dream, when "things just don't seem right"), is you can feel the difference between just going on with the dream in your merry little way, then boom you're aware that you're dreaming. So you really get the opportunity multiple times to feel the distinct differences between the two different dream states. That way in the future, you may even be able to lock on to that sensation earlier on in the dream because you've experienced the feeling so many times now.

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I remembered the other thing I wanted to say: another cool thing about you getting lucid the way you do (in the middle of the dream, when "things just don't seem right"), is you can feel the difference between just going on with the dream in your merry little way, then boom you're aware that you're dreaming. So you really get the opportunity multiple times to feel the distinct differences between the two different dream states. That way in the future, you may even be able to lock on to that sensation earlier on in the dream because you've experienced the feeling so many times now.

Yea it definitely is, I always feel different when I'm in a dream so I think that in the future It'll make it easy for me to be able to tell when I'm dreaming just from knowing the feeling from previous lucid dreams.

Alright so I had two lucid dreams this morning (not quasi-lucid!) well one lucid dream and one lucid false awakening, which was cool since that was the first time I ever actually noticed a FA without waking up. So, yea this is what happened I woke up later again at 6 AM and again said well I'll still do my SSILD reps so I did, and then go back to sleep and realize I'm dreaming. And I became lucid by just pure feeling like I just realized I wasn't awake. And although I forgot about my challenge with dave (which I could have easily done!) I did stop time in my dream, although I didn't dilate time, but then again I didn't try to. So then after my lucid I woke up into a FA, except I didn't actually wake up, my eyes were still closed. So when I was trying to open them I noticed that something was off and I actually felt lighter then I normally do while sleeping. So when I opened them I was in my room like a false awakening and I was sitting on the edge of my bed. So I was pretty much already lucid. Anyways, I walked around my room and kept the dream stable pretty much I felt confined since the door to my room was shut, like I wouldn't be able to pass through. I'll post in more detail on each of these in my dream journal. Also, I remembered that I could have had another dream like that false awakening because I felt the same way again and was working on opening my eyes when I thought about my real body which now ruins things if I think about it..

Also a message to Caenis: Haha, did your homework! I don't fail . Although I did it out of order, longer one first shorter one after..

Great job, kraom! Awesome that you were able to become lucid because of the feel of the dream, really amazing. I'll have to pay attention to what my dreams feel like, recognizing that feeling must be extremely handy. I'm proud of you man, you're getting really good at this.
Take some ridiculous looking cookies as your reward:

Originally Posted by Caenis

Great job, kraom! Awesome that you were able to become lucid because of the feel of the dream, really amazing. I'll have to pay attention to what my dreams feel like, recognizing that feeling must be extremely handy. I'm proud of you man, you're getting really good at this.

Haha, thanks I thought it was pretty fun how pretty much spot on your prediction was from last night.. And the feeling is pretty handy to recognize it's happened to me in more than one of my lucids..

Congrats on the lucids, kraom.