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June 7 11:30am chat

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[11:31:42] Channel topic is: lucid dreaming
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[11:31:48] <linschoppingh> i got a lucid today n___n
[11:31:50] <linschoppingh> hai OpheliaBlue
[11:31:53] <Caenis> Good timing as always, Ophelia!
[11:31:54] <paigeyemps> hello OpheliaBlue
[11:31:54] <RareCola> Haha, we were getting worried you forgot!
[11:32:00] <paigeyemps> congrats cookie!
[11:32:00] <@OpheliaBlue> morning guys!
[11:32:10] <DawgBone> Afternoon!
[11:32:18] <Idionym> herro
[11:32:28] <@OpheliaBlue> talk about a last minute lucid.. I set my alarm for 11:15, then snooze for 5 minutes, and I had an FA and a lucid in those 5 minutes
[11:32:30] <paigeyemps> midnight!
[11:32:35] <linschoppingh> D:
[11:32:37] <Caenis> Congrats, linschoppingh! Did you RC and stabilize in the LD?
[11:32:39] <paigeyemps> ig buce
[11:32:42] <paigeyemps> **oh nice
[11:32:43] <paigeyemps>
[11:32:51] <RareCola> I tend to have moments like that a lot. It's nice.
[11:32:52] <linschoppingh> i didnt stabilize though -___-
[11:33:03] <linschoppingh> that's probably why it faded away
[11:33:21] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis: I did! I also came up with a technique to remember several back to back dreams and it worked, but I'll tell all about it later
[11:33:26] <paigeyemps> mine didn't last long either
[11:33:33] <@OpheliaBlue> first off
[11:33:42] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +h Caenis
[11:33:47] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +h RareCola
[11:33:49] <%Caenis> Sounds exciting, OpheliaBlue.
[11:34:00] <@OpheliaBlue> ok RareCola what was that set topic thing you were talking about before?
[11:34:17] <%RareCola> I think we'll be fine for today with fewer people
[11:34:34] <%RareCola> It's mainly when the chat gets impossible to keep up with
[11:34:40] <@OpheliaBlue> ok cool... if it gets out of hand later, like in 30 minutes for people who didn't realise this class was early
[11:34:52] <DawgBone> Last time was rather crowded
[11:35:01] <paigeyemps> when it gets unruly, you can mute it and tell the topic
[11:35:02] <paigeyemps>
[11:35:06] <linschoppingh> ye
[11:35:12] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I have a topic I REALLY want to talk about, remembering several dreams in a night
[11:35:26] <@OpheliaBlue> I think Caenis asked this before, and I mentioned something gab did
[11:35:34] <DawgBone> Are these chained dreams?
[11:35:40] <@OpheliaBlue> yes
[11:35:58] <@OpheliaBlue> or even just if yuo have several non lucids in a night but want to remember them all for your journal
[11:36:03] <%RareCola> I need to get my dream recall back. Ever since my immense work stress last week I've had issues even remembering 1-2 dreams whereas before I was easily remembering 3+ per night.
[11:36:32] <paigeyemps> i remember several dreams a night, but i hate it when i tell myself to write it later so i can dreamchain, then when i wake up later, i forget
[11:36:32] <@OpheliaBlue> well you know when you wake up from a dream but don't want to wake up too* much by getting up and journaling them?
[11:36:43] <paigeyemps> exactly
[11:36:45] <@OpheliaBlue> yes exactly
[11:36:45] <paigeyemps> D:
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[11:36:51] <DawgBone> right
[11:36:53] <paigeyemps> hi RommiH|Away
[11:36:55] <%Caenis> Hey RommiH.
[11:37:00] <RommiH|Away> Hey!
[11:37:08] <@OpheliaBlue> well this is what I did last night, because I woke up at 8am and remembered 4 dreams, but didn't want to write them yet, but didn't want to forget
[11:37:12] <RommiH|Away> how late am I?
[11:37:13] <@OpheliaBlue> hey RommiH|Away
[11:37:18] <linschoppingh> 7 minutes
[11:37:25] <paigeyemps> we're talking about dream chaining RommiH|Away
[11:37:34] <linschoppingh> actually, 5 minutes
[11:37:35] <@OpheliaBlue> I assigned each dream or dream fragment an image, based o nthe subject of the dream
[11:37:52] <RommiH|Away> ohthanks for the update paigey
[11:38:00] <paigeyemps> np
[11:38:05] <paigeyemps> ooh nice idea oph
[11:38:06] <@OpheliaBlue> for example, there was one abotu a vacuum, a photograph, eating noodles, a funeral, my boss, a dress and Rammstein
[11:38:10] <@OpheliaBlue> THEN
[11:38:30] <@OpheliaBlue> I assigned a beginning image to help start the memory process.. I chose "w" for wednesday
[11:38:55] <DawgBone> interesting
[11:39:07] <@OpheliaBlue> then I mentally wrapped the vacuum cord around the W, the picture to the vacuum, noodles on the picture, my boss holding the noodles etc
[11:39:26] <@OpheliaBlue> get the idea? I took a minute to do that in bed, remembered them all this morning
[11:39:29] <@OpheliaBlue> boom!
[11:39:30] <paigeyemps> i use numbers for mine though, so i also remember the number of dreams, since i forget really easily when i use objects :'(
[11:39:34] <%RareCola> I've just been having issues lately where I get hypnagogic imagery of journalling my dream when I really haven't. Quite annoying
[11:39:44] <paigeyemps> but mostly because im better at numbers than visuals
[11:39:54] <linschoppingh> paigeyemps: asian ;D
[11:39:57] <DawgBone> Hooking things together like that is a memory technique
[11:40:00] <paigeyemps> lol
[11:40:04] <@OpheliaBlue> hey whatever works... I'm just glad I remembered without actually moving out of bed and writing
[11:40:04] <paigeyemps> ;D
[11:40:06] <%Caenis> Huh. That's a really interesting technique, Ophelia. I'll have to remember that! Usually I just try to remember a few key events, and that sometimes works.
[11:40:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I used to do that for homework in college, why I didn't think of it earlier I dunno
[11:40:40] <@OpheliaBlue> attaching them together is really the key
[11:40:46] <@OpheliaBlue> the vacuum dream was so gross too
[11:40:53] <paigeyemps> hahaha
[11:40:58] <DawgBone> lol
[11:41:44] <@OpheliaBlue> it was used to suck eyeballs out of dead animal's skulls at a meat fabrication plant
[11:41:51] <paigeyemps> O_________O
[11:41:54] <%RareCola> wut
[11:41:57] <linschoppingh> o___o
[11:41:59] <%Caenis> Huh. That's...creative?
[11:42:00] <DawgBone> yuck
[11:42:11] <paigeyemps> now we know what THAT girl's into
[11:42:14] <paigeyemps> hahaha ;D
[11:42:14] <@OpheliaBlue> I know, I would have hated it if I forgot that one, and it was the first one
[11:42:20] <linschoppingh> lol paige
[11:42:21] <@OpheliaBlue> lol paigeyemps
[11:42:24] <paigeyemps> <4
[11:42:42] <@OpheliaBlue> ok so what else is on the table
[11:43:10] <DawgBone> Ophelia: How still do you have to be for DEILD to work? Any suggestions?
[11:43:14] <%RareCola> Haven't got much to talk about I'm afraid, dry spell is still crippling me
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[11:43:39] <@OpheliaBlue> DawgBone: the stillness is different for everyone.. I toss and turn a tiny bit
[11:43:43] <@OpheliaBlue> hey guys
[11:43:43] <DaveTheJoker> oh there it goes
[11:43:48] <%RareCola> DawgBone: I've found, the more you think about being still the less likely it is to work.
[11:43:49] <paigeyemps> hello exo and dave
[11:43:50] <%Caenis> Well, linschoppingh and paigeyemps had lucids last night too. Care to share what you two dreamed about?
[11:43:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I called them in here
[11:43:57] <DaveTheJoker> hi all
[11:44:04] <DawgBone> RareCola: interesting
[11:44:04] <Idionym> hey
[11:44:09] <@OpheliaBlue> yes, share (I gotta let the dogs in real quick)
[11:44:15] <paigeyemps> i had this red convertible, but for some reason i had to pedal to make it move
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[11:44:45] <paigeyemps> then i got lucid and i noseplugged, rubbed hands, and tried that arm-licking thing i heard about
[11:44:46] <paigeyemps> haha
[11:44:55] <%RareCola> arm licking?
[11:44:58] <%RareCola> that's a new one
[11:45:01] <DawgBone> arm licking?
[11:45:12] <paigeyemps> i heard something about licking your arm, and it wont be wet
[11:45:13] <Idionym> sounds hot
[11:45:16] <paigeyemps>
[11:45:16] <%Caenis> Huh. Tasting and feeling at the same time. Creative!
[11:45:18] <paigeyemps> lol
[11:45:20] <Idionym> =P
[11:45:24] <paigeyemps> it was really weird
[11:45:26] <DaveTheJoker> I am not sleeping right anymore I dont think
[11:45:26] <paigeyemps> oh and also
[11:45:41] <%Caenis> How so, DaveTheJoker?
[11:45:43] <DawgBone> I don't think arm licking is legal in my state ...
[11:45:44] <%RareCola> Haha join the club DaveTheJoker
[11:45:45] <paigeyemps> i paid much attention to the noseplug and took like 15 seconds doing it
[11:45:53] <paigeyemps> and it was amazing
[11:45:54] <DaveTheJoker> I wake up feeling uncomfortable
[11:45:57] <paigeyemps> x)
[11:46:02] <DaveTheJoker> and I dont sleep in late anymore
[11:46:08] <paigeyemps> lol DawgBone
[11:46:17] <RommiH|Away> !back
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[11:46:54] <paigeyemps> wb
[11:47:17] <paigeyemps> silence in the classroom!
[11:47:18] <RommiH> thunks
[11:47:24] <TheElusiveHobo> I was shooting monsters on somebody's porch in Arizona and got my hand bit by some kind of land barracuda with one giant 25cm tooth.
[11:47:32] <linschoppingh> ohwaitwat
[11:47:36] <@OpheliaBlue> back.. sorry dogs had muddy feet. damn rain
[11:47:38] <paigeyemps> ooooooooooooh barracuda
[11:47:41] <RommiH> i was cloned in last nights dream
[11:47:44] <paigeyemps> D:
[11:47:46] <@OpheliaBlue> haha weird
[11:47:49] <linschoppingh> i dreamed of being at home with misplaced furniture
[11:47:55] <linschoppingh> and it was christmas time -__-
[11:47:56] <%Caenis> Huh. That's weird. Did something change DaveTheJoker? Did you start sleeping different hours? Has something in your bed changed?
[11:48:02] <linschoppingh> and it was night
[11:48:02] <@OpheliaBlue> I had an interesting stabilization thing this time
[11:48:04] <DaveTheJoker> I am going to bed later
[11:48:09] <DaveTheJoker> but not that much later
[11:48:12] Exotiraan DILDed this morning, then FA'd twice. His favorite anonymous sexy aggressor also made an appearance between the DILD and first FA.
[11:48:13] <RommiH> for some reason i had to be cloned so we could start the grill
[11:48:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I was blind for a very long time while I was walking down the hall
[11:48:14] <paigeyemps> christmas :#
[11:48:20] <paigeyemps> D:
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[11:48:28] <paigeyemps> hello oreo
[11:48:35] <@OpheliaBlue> I just kept clapping and waving my hands in front of me until the scene changed and I could see again
[11:48:36] <%Oreoboy1996> there's a class right now?
[11:48:39] <%Caenis> Hm. =/ I guess just see if it persists. It might be temporary.
[11:48:41] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Oreoboy1996
[11:48:42] <Idionym> ya
[11:48:50] <paigeyemps> nahh this is music class
[11:48:50] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I started it early for Appe but he didn't show up
[11:48:54] <RommiH> hello Oreoboy
[11:48:55] <paigeyemps> lalalaa
[11:48:56] <linschoppingh> paigeyemps: i sure hope christmas isnt a dream sign, that would suck imo o__o
[11:49:00] <%Oreoboy1996> hello
[11:49:01] <paigeyemps> LOL
[11:49:03] <paigeyemps> ya
[11:49:05] <%RareCola> I'm beginning to think the small time difference in going to bed is actually a problem, DaveTheJoker. I've got in the habit of going to bed just 15-20 minutes later since I've been busy and my dreams aren't liking the change.
[11:49:06] <%Caenis> =D Good job, Exotiraan! You've had two lucids this week, right?
[11:49:16] Exotiraan nods.
[11:49:23] <paigeyemps> congrats exo!
[11:49:32] <@OpheliaBlue> well done exo
[11:49:38] <DaveTheJoker> I think I will try going to be earlier
[11:49:41] <linschoppingh> congrats!!
[11:49:47] <DaveTheJoker> and maybe going for a walk or something right before bed
[11:50:04] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: hey are you waking up more than once in the night by the way?
[11:50:04] <TheElusiveHobo> I think I'm starting to get a handle on recall.
[11:50:05] <Exotiraan> I think being back to my usual split-sleeping schedule is helping.
[11:50:24] <%RareCola> Not as much as I used to, and when I do I'm not remembering as much if anything at the moment.
[11:50:54] <@OpheliaBlue> do you at least remember when you briefly wake up then forget later? or just don't remember as much period.
[11:50:55] <%Caenis> Split sleeping schedule? Like bi-phasic sleep? Or whatever the title is.
[11:51:35] <%RareCola> Sometimes I remember briefly, then as soon as I move to write it down I forget it. Other times I don't remember at all.
[11:51:45] <%RareCola> I just need to figure out what's causing the dry spell, I think
[11:51:54] <DawgBone> Exotiraan: By split, do you mean WBTB?
[11:51:56] <%RareCola> I don't think my frustration is helping
[11:52:04] <Idionym> !brb
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[11:52:17] <Exotiraan> DawgBone: Pre'much, 'cause I get forced awake on weekdays.
[11:52:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I know, frustration is such a dream killer
[11:52:35] <Exotiraan> Then I stay up for a while and normally go back to bed.
[11:52:36] <@OpheliaBlue> that and trying too hard
[11:52:39] <DawgBone> RareCola: LDing is largely a head game.
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[11:52:51] <Idionym|BRB> !back
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[11:52:54] <Lunatide> Class? D:
[11:52:57] <paigeyemps> hi luna <4
[11:52:59] <@OpheliaBlue> it so is... like as soon as I hit snooze for the last time and gave up, I had a lucid lmao
[11:53:09] <%RareCola> Haha
[11:53:34] <@OpheliaBlue> though the nonlucids before that were way more interesting
[11:53:47] <@OpheliaBlue> who doesn't RC when a vacuum is sucking eyeballs
[11:53:49] <@OpheliaBlue> honestly
[11:53:56] <%Oreoboy1996> O_O
[11:53:57] <%RareCola> I think my problem at the moment is my first month was such a success that when I finally got really busy I wasn't prepared to deal with a dry spell.
[11:54:00] <DawgBone> Ha!
[11:54:08] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I got a big baby for you oreo, have to wait til I post it
[11:54:18] <Lunatide> I'm off, I have nothing to do
[11:54:20] <Lunatide> Have fun guys
[11:54:21] <Lunatide>
[11:54:25] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya luna
[11:54:25] <%Oreoboy1996> heh?
[11:54:25] <linschoppingh> bai Lunatide
[11:54:27] <TheElusiveHobo> See ya.
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[11:54:47] <Appe96> hi sorry im late :S
[11:54:50] <@OpheliaBlue> there he is!
[11:54:59] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I woke up early JUST FOR YOU
[11:55:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i thought it was still early
[11:55:16] <%RareCola> It was 30 minutes earlier today
[11:55:20] <Appe96> Did'nt watch the clock untill now :/
[11:55:20] <Idionym> how was work yesterday Ophelia?
[11:55:21] <@OpheliaBlue> JUST FOR YOU
[11:55:27] <@OpheliaBlue> that's ok
[11:55:42] <Idionym> nice
[11:55:43] <@OpheliaBlue> work was ridiculously long, but I talked to a coworker about LDing
[11:55:49] <Idionym> XD
[11:56:06] <Appe96> had a speech about ld today
[11:56:13] <@OpheliaBlue> really?
[11:56:16] <Appe96> yes
[11:56:38] <@OpheliaBlue> how did an LD speech work its way into your class/work?
[11:56:54] <%RareCola> I'd love to give a speech about lucid dreaming
[11:57:02] <Appe96> yeah it was for or swedish project
[11:57:02] <%RareCola> I feel like people would get bored though, I'd talk far too long
[11:57:08] <Appe96> so i had speech for the class
[11:57:21] <Appe96> and i mentioned dv
[11:57:24] <%Caenis> RareCola: That's what YouTube is for. Make a speech and post it there!
[11:57:32] <%RareCola> Haha
[11:57:42] <linschoppingh> my class would be way too childish to understand something like that -__-
[11:57:45] <@OpheliaBlue> we would so not get bored.. and definitely youtube
[11:57:55] <@OpheliaBlue> your english accent would seal the deal
[11:58:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm serious
[11:58:07] <Appe96> a lot of people got interested in mine
[11:58:13] <linschoppingh> lool
[11:58:45] <%RareCola> I was thinking of writing a tutorial on my whole night time routine concept actually. I've been getting asked a lot about it
[11:58:49] <@OpheliaBlue> hey, apprentices have to make a youtube video speech in order to graduate
[11:58:57] <linschoppingh> hahah
[11:59:03] <paigeyemps> loool
[11:59:04] <linschoppingh> ..i make sure i never become one o__o
[11:59:05] <%Caenis> Ha, I guess I won't be graduating then.
[11:59:10] <@OpheliaBlue> awwwww
[11:59:11] <paigeyemps> x)
[11:59:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis you could bring Bricklesworth, or whatever his name is
[11:59:37] <RommiH> whoa guys! the song im listening to right now has this part at the end where this guy just talks about dreaming
[11:59:49] <linschoppingh> RommiH: what song?
[11:59:51] <RommiH> first time I heard the song. just downloaded it now
[11:59:52] <linschoppingh> link!
[11:59:52] <paigeyemps> what song is that
[12:00:06] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I like the idea of you makign that tutorial. Nighttime routines are so overlooked in general
[12:00:15] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't like speeches
[12:00:21] <paigeyemps> lol
[12:00:27] <RommiH> I Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Am S/H(im)e[r] As You Are Me And We Am I And I Are All Our Together: Our Collective Consciousness‚ Psyc
[12:00:28] <%Oreoboy1996> or talking actually
[12:00:32] <RommiH> name of song^
[12:00:34] <%Caenis> XD D'Brickashaw. He'd certainly attract more folks to watch me talk.
[12:00:36] <Appe96> it depends on what you talk about i guess
[12:00:41] <@OpheliaBlue> you can write the speech but have someone not shy (cough cough) read it and post it in youtube
[12:00:42] <paigeyemps> whuuut
[12:00:43] <linschoppingh> wish i could be more like my brother, he is great with speeches
[12:00:44] <paigeyemps> RommiH:
[12:00:47] <paigeyemps>
[12:00:59] <paigeyemps> loool
[12:01:02] <paigeyemps> im confus
[12:01:09] <linschoppingh> copy it and google
[12:01:22] <Appe96> anyone who got tips for a WILD attempt tonight?
[12:01:30] <%RareCola> Haha, I'm fine with speeches as long as I have someone to talk to. I'm awkward as hell talking to a camera.
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[12:01:40] <paigeyemps> im still learning WILD
[12:01:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Appe96: have you read a WILD tutorial yet?
[12:01:53] <Xyvoch> Hey
[12:01:54] <paigeyemps> the WILD class hasn't gotten to the actual WILDing yet
[12:01:54] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Xyvoch
[12:01:55] <paigeyemps>
[12:01:58] <Appe96> yes ophelia
[12:02:02] <%Oreoboy1996> Appe96: my tip is don't overthink things or worry too much
[12:02:09] <%RareCola> How are you doing with this whole schema thing btw, Paige?
[12:02:11] <%RareCola> It's really interesting
[12:02:13] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Xyvoch
[12:02:16] <paigeyemps> ooh
[12:02:25] <paigeyemps> yea it really is
[12:02:31] <paigeyemps> i've been doing that for a while now
[12:02:37] <paigeyemps> since forceez told me about it
[12:02:42] <%RareCola> It's interesting to engage your brain like that and notice how it works
[12:02:46] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I'd say join the WILD class Appe96.. this class is more about beginner stuff, and isn't really focused on one particular technique
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[12:02:59] <@OpheliaBlue> unless it's DEILD or DILD because they seem to be the concensus areound here
[12:03:10] <Idionym> or CAT
[12:03:13] <Appe96> I will still lurk on this, and at the same time join WILD class i guess
[12:03:20] <paigeyemps> yay
[12:03:22] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah you can do both
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[12:03:37] <%RareCola> WILD class is really under-appreciated, I feel sorry for Sageous
[12:03:37] <%Oreoboy1996> people know a lot about DILD and DEILD because they're common and generally easy techniques
[12:03:39] <Appe96> the I sign up after this session
[12:03:43] <@OpheliaBlue> so I would still like to know about all your experiences with FAs
[12:03:45] <Appe96> *then
[12:03:52] <@OpheliaBlue> and yes to what Oreoboy1996 said
[12:03:55] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Mine or his?
[12:04:04] <@OpheliaBlue> Everyone's FA Experiences
[12:04:22] <Idionym> oh
[12:04:22] <%Oreoboy1996> last false awakening i had...
[12:04:23] <Idionym> i had 1
[12:04:28] <Idionym> like 2 nights ago
[12:04:33] <%Oreoboy1996> i saw my sister and her boy friend in the room talking
[12:04:33] <@OpheliaBlue> they're such a great way to induce lucidity, and RCs can be performed during your wake up routines
[12:04:44] <%RareCola> Any idea how to deal with FAs that aren't really FAs but just hypnagogic imagery, Ophelia?
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[12:04:46] <%Oreoboy1996> and i became lucid because i knew they were supposed to be 1000 miles away from home
[12:04:49] <TheElusiveHobo> I had a mild one this morning.
[12:04:55] <RommiH> lost connection...
[12:04:56] <%Oreoboy1996> and then i made jelly toast and went back to sleep
[12:04:56] <linschoppingh> the lucid i had on 16th of may. didn't know it was one til i saw the second set of headphones..
[12:05:11] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm talking about actual FAs, where you think you woke up and got up and started your day, but really didn't
[12:05:20] <linschoppingh> nope.
[12:05:21] <Idionym> ya
[12:05:22] <Idionym> i did
[12:05:28] <paigeyemps> ohhh
[12:05:32] <paigeyemps> the very first lucid i had
[12:05:33] <%Caenis> TheElusiveHobo: How did you have a mild FA? Care to explain?
[12:05:35] <%Oreoboy1996> well it was an actual FA, but i turned it lucid
[12:05:40] <paigeyemps> was a very very vivid and long FA
[12:05:55] <@OpheliaBlue> for example: I got up, went to the mirror, and there was a gap between my front teeth. I thought, damn, I must have chipped it, now I'll have to get it fixed. Then it went away.
[12:06:09] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: oh I was directign that at Romm
[12:06:12] <paigeyemps> i woke up, went to class until lunchtime!! i didnt notice til a deceased teacher sat next to me and whispered "you're dreaming"
[12:06:14] <paigeyemps>
[12:06:18] <%Oreoboy1996> oh
[12:06:20] <DawgBone> I can only remember having 1 FA. I wonder if there is a way to induce them ...
[12:06:45] <linschoppingh> paigeyemps: o__O
[12:06:55] <@OpheliaBlue> I think FAs happen alot with me if I hit snooze alot
[12:06:57] <%Oreoboy1996> not sure why you would want to induce an FA
[12:07:00] <TheElusiveHobo> Well, not really an FA. I just dreamed that my mother was calling me, and it took me a while to figure out that what she said made no sense.
[12:07:02] <RommiH> I am s/h(im)e[r] as you am s/h(im)e[r] - YouTube
[12:07:04] <Appe96> I have never had a FA, but i remember dreaming about, going to bed and not be able to sleep
[12:07:08] <RommiH> 7:00
[12:07:12] <paigeyemps> and it was really weird because it felt like the whole morning had gone by, but not really literally, it may have been just a few minutes but it was like a movie, you know? where it's only 2 hours but the timeline is long
[12:07:13] <paigeyemps> or something
[12:07:25] <@OpheliaBlue> wow that's cool paigeyemps
[12:07:30] <paigeyemps> god i suck at explaining haha
[12:07:31] Exotiraan after he realized he was dreaming "woke up," but everything was dark in the room. He closed his eyes again, then the sexy thing happened, and he "woke up," read the note on his mirror, then did a hand-check and saw white stuff growing.
[12:07:32] <paigeyemps> sorreh x)
[12:07:46] <paigeyemps> O__o
[12:07:48] <%RareCola> I've had that a few times, Paige. Really frustrating to play out your entire morning for it to just be fake
[12:08:01] <%RareCola> I haven't had an FA where I haven't become lucid for a while though, I seem to always notice it now
[12:08:03] <@OpheliaBlue> in mine, I just kinda, wiped the gap away with mu finger, then thought, hey this must be a FA, then I looked at my eyes and they were mily green with no pupil. Boom
[12:08:04] <paigeyemps> yea haha it was very interesting, it really drove me to LD
[12:08:19] <paigeyemps> noice noice
[12:08:46] <Exotiraan> That kind of freaked me out and I got up and looked in the bathroom mirror. My face looked a bit like I was having a stroke.
[12:08:47] <@OpheliaBlue> I was just going to mention, that if you have alot of FAs like I do, there's things you can practice to help get lucid
[12:08:55] <paigeyemps> oohh like what
[12:09:01] <@OpheliaBlue> like looking in the mirror alot i nthe morning in rael life, lookign for oddities
[12:09:06] <paigeyemps> exo wut D:
[12:09:15] <@OpheliaBlue> lol exo
[12:09:24] <paigeyemps> ahh im gonna practice it i guess ;
[12:09:26] <paigeyemps> ;D
[12:09:34] <paigeyemps> i rarely catch FAs
[12:09:42] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, you notice stuff on yourself more than say, in your room or whatever
[12:09:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't have many FAs
[12:09:59] <RommiH> i get plenty of FAs during the week when I have school
[12:10:05] <@OpheliaBlue> hard for a mirror reflection to be perfect in a dream, so that can induce lucidity if you pay attention to your reflection in real life
[12:10:07] <linschoppingh> i cant even remember having any fa's
[12:10:18] <RommiH> I always wake up around 6 then fall back asleep into a FA
[12:10:18] <@OpheliaBlue> like a big RC in the mirror
[12:10:19] <Appe96> yay im not alon
[12:10:30] <Appe96> *alone
[12:10:33] <linschoppingh> hehe
[12:10:45] <@OpheliaBlue> RommiH: what usually happens in the FA?
[12:11:04] <RommiH> just me getting ready for school
[12:11:08] <Idionym> me too
[12:11:09] <@OpheliaBlue> paigeyemps: I catch them alot because, like I said before, I'm a chronic snooze button hitter
[12:11:10] <RommiH> !brb
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[12:11:20] Exotiraan still grins when he thinks about the sexy part because he hasn't had that happen in such a long while.
[12:11:26] <@OpheliaBlue> oo I have a question for you RommiH|BRB for when you get back
[12:11:26] <linschoppingh> xD
[12:11:57] <%RareCola> It's my "reverse FAs" that are ruining me. I wake up and then get imagery that I'm journalling or doing my WBTB routine and then never realise that I didn't actually do them until I properly wake up. Nobody seems to know how to deal with it :/
[12:12:04] <%Oreoboy1996> it was easy for me to become lucid in my dream last night because everything was messed up
[12:12:20] <paigeyemps> ahh
[12:12:23] <DaveTheJoker> I only had a few sentances of recall last night
[12:12:30] <%Oreoboy1996> like my cat gave birth to aquatic cats
[12:12:34] <linschoppingh> O__o
[12:12:34] <paigeyemps> lol
[12:12:36] <Appe96> lool
[12:12:43] <%Oreoboy1996> and he's a male cat
[12:12:44] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: oh yeah I used to do something similar when I had my computer by my bed.. I would get up, get on DV, type my dream, chat with DV members, but it was all fake
[12:12:44] <linschoppingh> loool
[12:12:44] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[12:12:54] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Oreoboy1996
[12:13:21] <Idionym> i remembered a chunk of my a dream last night
[12:13:31] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't know, maybe perform a special RC just prior to journaling? Like making sure your pen or pencil is the right color, size etc
[12:14:05] <paigeyemps> good idea!
[12:14:06] <@OpheliaBlue> brb one sec
[12:14:07] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
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[12:14:08] <%RareCola> It's always so realistic though, I even go through writing out the entire dream.
[12:14:31] <%Caenis> Why not do a text RC?
[12:14:32] <%Oreoboy1996> oh and apparently in my dream scientists discovered that humans have a hidden 6th finger that when pulled, will make you fly really fast through water
[12:14:40] <Appe96> lol can tou remember your dream dream?
[12:14:45] <%RareCola> Doesn't work Caenis, because it's not really a dream
[12:14:46] <Appe96> *you
[12:14:48] <linschoppingh> what lol Oreoboy1996
[12:14:56] <paigeyemps> looool oreo
[12:15:01] <%Oreoboy1996> and then i asked Claire to help me pull my finger
[12:15:06] <%Caenis> Huh. Never mind.
[12:15:09] <%RareCola> That's the point, it's hypnagogic imagery and I'm not actually a sleep, rather just on the brink of sleep. RCs just don't seem to work.
[12:15:10] <paigeyemps> 6th finger... fly in water...seems legit
[12:15:11] <Idionym> i gots a question
[12:15:11] <paigeyemps> ;D
[12:15:13] <%Oreoboy1996> and she slapped me in the back of the head
[12:15:20] <%RareCola> asleep*
[12:15:28] <paigeyemps> go for it Idionym
[12:15:36] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
[12:15:36] OpheliaBlue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[12:15:37] <Idionym> i saw this thing were if you have an alarm go off every 90 mins
[12:15:44] <Idionym> u can remember more dreams
[12:15:50] <linschoppingh> paigeyemps: this IS legit. didn't your parents ever tell you?
[12:15:54] <linschoppingh> ;D
[12:15:57] <paigeyemps> D:
[12:16:03] <Idionym> so like after 5 hours of sleeping
[12:16:08] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I see what you mean
[12:16:16] <@OpheliaBlue> it never becomes a full fledged dream
[12:16:18] <Idionym> you can just wake up, right down what you remember, and then go to sleep
[12:16:19] <@OpheliaBlue> hrmm...
[12:16:25] <Idionym> think that will work?
[12:16:48] <@OpheliaBlue> never tried it Idionym, experiment and see! I'd love to know the results
[12:16:49] <RommiH|BRB> !back
[12:16:49] RommiH|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as RommiH
[12:16:51] <%RareCola> Yea, it's when I'm laying in bed recalling and then I slip into the hypnagogic imagery state by accident and think I'm writing my dream or doing my WBTB routine as I plan to do and then... I just go back to sleep.
[12:16:57] <RommiH> yes opheliablue?
[12:17:03] <@OpheliaBlue> hey RommiH.. what do yuo normally do when you get ready for school?
[12:17:12] <Idionym> but do u think it will mess up my CAT?
[12:17:29] <@OpheliaBlue> I don't see how?
[12:17:35] <Idionym> ok
[12:17:37] <RommiH> nothing much wash up get dressed eat if i have time
[12:17:53] <@OpheliaBlue> do you look in the mirror at all when you wash up?
[12:18:00] <RommiH> in the FAs i only make it till me getting dressed
[12:18:07] <RommiH> yeah
[12:18:08] <@OpheliaBlue> I bring up mirrors alot because they're an excellent tool, and easy to use for an RC
[12:18:37] <RommiH> I hope I become lucid next time and complete the TOTM
[12:18:51] <%RareCola> That's my goal too Romm
[12:19:01] <paigeyemps> ^^
[12:19:05] <%Oreoboy1996> weird things happen when you go through mirrors
[12:19:08] <%Oreoboy1996> at least for me
[12:19:15] <linschoppingh> i need to go through one as well..
[12:19:25] <Appe96> what happend oreo?
[12:19:27] <@OpheliaBlue> OH that reminds me Oreoboy1996 I need your opinion
[12:19:31] <@OpheliaBlue> all your opinions actually
[12:19:32] <paigeyemps> i hope my LD will last longer
[12:19:51] <@OpheliaBlue> someone posted a dream in TOTM where they just put their head through the mirror and saw a mirror tunnel thing
[12:20:05] <@OpheliaBlue> everyones' opinions* I meant
[12:20:11] <@OpheliaBlue> does that dream count for the TOTM?
[12:20:14] <%RareCola> I think that would count, the task was just to see what was on the other side, right?
[12:20:17] <@OpheliaBlue> just the head and not the whole body
[12:20:17] <%Oreoboy1996> Appe96: i became a 2d image and everything i could see that was 3d became distorted and warped into a new image
[12:20:25] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: my thought exactly
[12:20:29] <Appe96> lol
[12:20:53] <linschoppingh> i think it counts
[12:20:54] <%Oreoboy1996> the goal was to walk through a mirror and see what's on the other side
[12:21:09] <%Oreoboy1996> if more focus was put towards walking through a mirror it wouldn't count
[12:21:18] <%Oreoboy1996> if the point was just to see the other side then it would count
[12:21:42] <%Caenis> Yeah, that's a tough call.
[12:21:52] <paigeyemps> she/he gets half a wing
[12:21:53] <paigeyemps> ;D
[12:21:57] <%Oreoboy1996> seeing as he phased through it and saw the other side
[12:21:58] <linschoppingh> lol
[12:22:01] <paigeyemps> i mean one wing
[12:22:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i think it might as well count
[12:22:05] <paigeyemps> on the left side
[12:22:06] <paigeyemps> hahahah
[12:22:07] <@OpheliaBlue> ok thanks guys
[12:22:25] <@OpheliaBlue> because yeah, the focus WAS to see the other side. You only need your head for that
[12:22:27] <paigeyemps> OHHHH I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING
[12:22:30] <@OpheliaBlue> WHAAT
[12:22:35] <Idionym> !!!!
[12:22:41] <@OpheliaBlue>
[12:22:53] <paigeyemps> in one of my dreams earlier..i was apparently a slipper
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[12:22:54] <paigeyemps>
[12:22:57] <%Oreoboy1996> ;
[12:22:58] <%RareCola> interesting
[12:22:58] <linschoppingh> o__o
[12:22:59] <%Oreoboy1996>
[12:23:00] <@OpheliaBlue> like, a shoe?
[12:23:03] <paigeyemps> i cant quite explain
[12:23:03] <paigeyemps> yes
[12:23:06] <linschoppingh> lololol
[12:23:07] <paigeyemps> like a fluffy slipper
[12:23:08] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao
[12:23:14] <Appe96> rofl
[12:23:15] <paigeyemps> and this old lady was angry and threw me at her son
[12:23:17] <paigeyemps> loooool
[12:23:19] <paigeyemps> it was so weird
[12:23:19] <@OpheliaBlue> what triggered that memory?
[12:23:22] <%Oreoboy1996> O_O
[12:23:23] <DawgBone> left or right?
[12:23:26] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:23:27] <paigeyemps> YES
[12:23:28] <paigeyemps> LEFT
[12:23:29] <RommiH> my friend was a video on youtube a few nights ago
[12:23:32] <paigeyemps> that triggered it
[12:23:34] <paigeyemps> haahaha
[12:23:54] <paigeyemps> it was so weird, like i could feel the lady taking me from her left foot
[12:23:57] <paigeyemps> and stuff
[12:24:00] <RommiH> lol
[12:24:09] <Appe96> awesome dream
[12:24:12] <%RareCola> Speaking of remembering things, does anyone ever get deja vu but know that the deja vu was from a dream, but can't really remember what happened?
[12:24:13] <@OpheliaBlue> that is nuts
[12:24:14] <paigeyemps> x)
[12:24:31] <Appe96> all the time rare
[12:24:33] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: oh yeah that happens to me occasionally, but the feeling usually passes
[12:25:11] <paigeyemps> yesterday i had a dream where i talked to a DC about this old dream i had, and i flashed back to it, and it was exactly the same dream as 3 years ago
[12:25:21] <paigeyemps> it was amazing how i still had that memory buried somewhere
[12:25:22] <@OpheliaBlue> it makes me feel like it was never a dream, rather just a temporary brain fart that triggered the memory center of the brain
[12:25:27] <%Caenis> That sometimes happens to me RareCola. Takes me a moment sometimes to remember the dream fragment.
[12:25:28] <paigeyemps> brain fart
[12:25:29] <paigeyemps> nice
[12:25:36] <%RareCola> I was making breakfast this morning and knew that I had a dream where I was in my kitchen but it was incredibly fuzzy, like a deja vu feeling.
[12:26:16] <%Oreoboy1996> i had deja vu when i woke up in the morning and found at the task of the month was to ride a train >.>
[12:27:10] <@OpheliaBlue> well any last question y'all? almost time for my breakfast
[12:27:45] <%RareCola> May write up that guide later and get your opinion before I post it, Ophelia
[12:27:53] <@OpheliaBlue> that would be awesome
[12:28:11] <@OpheliaBlue> and RareCola and/or Caenis.. let me know if y'all have time later to chat one-on-one
[12:28:24] <paigeyemps> WOAHHHHHH
[12:28:25] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll be around allll day
[12:28:31] <%Oreoboy1996> yay lol
[12:28:33] <%RareCola> Should do, I'm trying not to do much today to reduce these stress levels
[12:28:41] <%Oreoboy1996> what is it dragonborn paigey?
[12:28:43] <paigeyemps> one hour has passed already?! if only my real life classes were like this
[12:28:44] <@OpheliaBlue> fair enough, do what you gotta do
[12:28:44] <paigeyemps>
[12:28:50] <%Caenis> Sure, I'll try to think of a time. Probably not today though, I have a quasi-date.
[12:28:54] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah or work too paigeyemps
[12:28:58] <paigeyemps>
[12:29:04] <%RareCola> What time were you thinking, Ophelia?
[12:29:07] <@OpheliaBlue> a quasi date.. with your fiance I hope
[12:29:22] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: just whenever you get the tutorial typed up
[12:29:33] <%Caenis> Nope. >.> My fiancee knows the girl though, so it's okay. =p We'll just be eating and gaming and flirting.
[12:29:42] <@OpheliaBlue> ohhhhh..
[12:29:43] <@OpheliaBlue> k.
[12:29:46] <DawgBone> Sure
[12:29:54] <@OpheliaBlue> bring brickerbracker as a chaperone
[12:30:01] <%RareCola> Alright, I'll PM you later when I'm free
[12:30:11] <@OpheliaBlue> ok cool
[12:30:18] <%Oreoboy1996> not sure what i'm going to do today
[12:30:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Ents!
[12:30:26] <%Caenis> XD The girl wants to see D'Brickashaw, so he'll be a very good chaperone. My family will be around anyway, no funny business.
[12:30:34] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:30:39] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:30:50] <%RareCola> You sound very suspicious, Caenis!
[12:30:51] <%RareCola> haha
[12:30:53] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I said Ents because I just remembered to finish reading Jason's Ent dream
[12:31:05] <%RareCola>
[12:31:07] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah Caenis has a naughty streak me thinks
[12:31:10] <%RareCola> That was incredibly weird
[12:31:15] <%Caenis> I see no problem in admiring other people. =p
[12:31:25] <@OpheliaBlue> no, not at all...
[12:31:46] <@OpheliaBlue> like looking at a dessert menu when you're on a diet
[12:31:49] <@OpheliaBlue>
[12:31:53] <paigeyemps>
[12:32:07] <%Caenis> Haha, I guess that's one way of thinking about it, yeah.
[12:32:08] <@OpheliaBlue> I do that at work alot, there's this one guy in Dairy that makes my mouth water
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[12:32:17] <@OpheliaBlue> but he's stupid
[12:32:18] <%RareCola> Or buying a dessert and eating it when you're on a diet. Or is that just me?
[12:32:40] <@OpheliaBlue> haha well, just don't tell your girlfriend
[12:32:57] <linschoppingh> loool RareCola
[12:33:08] <paigeyemps> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[12:33:10] <paigeyemps> x)
[12:33:14] <%RareCola> Luckily for me I'm forever alone.
[12:33:20] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[12:33:24] <Idionym> ^^
[12:33:27] <@OpheliaBlue> ah, confirmed bachelors
[12:33:28] <paigeyemps> ^^^
[12:33:32] <paigeyemps> dang
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[12:33:35] <%RareCola> Haha
[12:33:36] <Idionym> ha
[12:34:07] <@OpheliaBlue> well good, more time for me with y'all then, no gf's getting in my way
[12:34:13] <paigeyemps> lol
[12:34:14] <paigeyemps> x)
[12:34:14] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:34:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean in terms of the class, not other stuff
[12:34:29] <@OpheliaBlue> Danny would kill everyone
[12:34:30] <%RareCola> Glad you clarified
[12:34:34] <linschoppingh> hahaha
[12:34:44] <%Caenis> Haha, I think we all knew what you meant.
[12:35:00] paigeyemps pervsmiles
[12:35:02] <paigeyemps> waitwhat
[12:35:08] <paigeyemps> ;D
[12:35:08] <Idionym> lol
[12:35:10] <%Oreoboy1996> nothing
[12:35:11] RareCola pervwinks
[12:35:13] Oreoboy1996 pervsmiles
[12:35:14] <@OpheliaBlue> on THAT note
[12:35:29] linschoppingh derps.
[12:35:32] OpheliaBlue pervposts this chat in the log thread
[12:35:39] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
[12:35:40] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away

Next #DVA Chat Times:

• Friday, June 8th, at 12noon CST
• Friday, June 8th, at 8pm CST
• Monday, June 11th, TBA
• Tuesday, June 12th, TBA

June 7th, 8pmCST chat class (thank you SO MUCH RareCola for taking over the last 15 minutes plus for me, and thanks to oreoboy for saving all the logs when I got booted.. seriously, could a girl ask for better coworkers? I think not!):

Spoiler for #DVA:

[20:51:35] <@OpheliaBlue> hey
[20:51:39] <Idionym> heyy
[20:51:44] Exotiraan is actually early, for once.
[20:52:19] <Mindraker> Hi
[20:52:19] <Idionym> lol
[20:52:20] <Idionym> gj
[20:52:25] <Idionym> HEY
[20:52:26] <@OpheliaBlue> hey hey
[20:52:28] <%RareCola> heyyy
[20:52:36] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Jason
[20:52:41] <@OpheliaBlue> how awake are you?
[20:52:49] <%RareCola> As awake as always
[20:53:03] <Mindraker> lol, I look at my hand when you ask me that question
[20:53:06] <Mindraker> dangit
[20:53:22] <Idionym> does having a fever do anything to ur lucid chances?
[20:53:23] <Mindraker> It's become a habit
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[20:54:20] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> Idionym: i've heard that sometimes people have higher lucidity when sick
[20:54:24] <@OpheliaBlue> Idionym: it could
[20:54:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah ecactly
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[20:54:31] <Idionym> =D
[20:54:34] <Idionym> well
[20:54:38] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> not quite sure what the reason is
[20:54:43] <Idionym> u sleep more\
[20:54:46] <Idionym> probably
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[20:54:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I don;t know either, but changing things up in any way has helped me, like the hotel room thing
[20:55:00] <yomi> Was the opposite for me.…
[20:55:04] <@OpheliaBlue> hey hobo
[20:55:10] <TheElusiveHobo> Hey Ophelia.
[20:55:35] <yomi> So tired…I'm do other things…
[20:55:41] <@OpheliaBlue> hey I want y'all to look a ta link while we wait for more students
[20:55:42] <yomi> Slightly important things…
[20:55:53] <yomi> Sure.
[20:55:54] <Idionym> sure
[20:56:10] <@OpheliaBlue> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/night-...cidity-132655/
[20:56:18] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola wrote this and I think he's on to something here
[20:56:19] <Idionym> im already on it XD
[20:56:27] <@OpheliaBlue> haha cool
[20:56:31] <Idionym> havent read it tho
[20:57:38] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> !back
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[20:58:02] <@OpheliaBlue> wb oreo
[20:58:09] <%Oreoboy1996> thanks
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[20:59:55] <Coolb3rt> sup
[20:59:58] <Exotiraan> I guess that means I need to stop programming on the crapbook in bed.
[21:00:00] <%RareCola> supp
[21:00:19] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Coolb3rt
[21:00:34] <%RareCola> Yes probably Exotiraan
[21:00:35] <Coolb3rt> hello OpheliaBlue
[21:00:35] <TheElusiveHobo> Made another entry in my workbook.
[21:00:37] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Coolb3rt
[21:00:40] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: well I think so
[21:00:43] <Coolb3rt> hello Oreoboy1996
[21:00:49] <@OpheliaBlue> people go to sleep with too many distractions
[21:00:49] <TheElusiveHobo> Just now.
[21:00:56] <%Oreoboy1996> prepare to get learned Coolb3rt
[21:01:09] <@OpheliaBlue> and don't put their minds in a place that's conducive to lucid dreaming
[21:01:13] <Mindraker> Yeah I need to stop watching TV on the bed... that's taking a *LOT* of discipline.
[21:01:26] <Coolb3rt> I better be learned
[21:01:30] <Coolb3rt> what do you think I'l paying you for
[21:01:54] <@OpheliaBlue> or I dunno, if you don't want to be super orthodoxed about his technique, then at least stop early enough to do the relaxations and incubations
[21:02:02] <%Oreoboy1996> i actually need distractions to sleep
[21:02:05] <@OpheliaBlue> still, if you're going to try a technique, really go for it
[21:02:17] <%Oreoboy1996> so i fall asleep with the tv on and daydream :/
[21:02:30] <linschoppingh> o__o
[21:02:36] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, but you're extra special with your ways oreo
[21:02:37] <Coolb3rt> Oreoboy1996: here's the deal, I bet you a dollar that you can't get past my base defenses
[21:02:42] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[21:02:42] <Coolb3rt> in my shared drema
[21:02:52] <linschoppingh> lool
[21:02:56] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll just walk in Coolb3rt
[21:03:29] <Coolb3rt> you'll be blown into dragonbites
[21:03:41] Exotiraan giggles.
[21:04:02] <Idionym> i want to shared dran =/
[21:04:05] <Idionym> dream*\
[21:04:30] Exotiraan stops giggling when he re-reads that. That wouldn't be good!
[21:04:31] <@OpheliaBlue> so Idionym, what was your dream about?
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[21:04:40] <Idionym> being at a hotel
[21:04:40] <@OpheliaBlue> you said you remembered a "dream chunk"
[21:04:47] <@OpheliaBlue> hey mydera!
[21:04:49] <Idionym> and some crazy flying train thing
[21:04:49] <%Oreoboy1996> hello mydera
[21:04:52] <Idionym> it was kinda werid
[21:04:53] <Idionym> lol
[21:04:55] <mydera> Hey everyone ^_^
[21:05:12] <%RareCola> Hey mydera!
[21:05:15] <@OpheliaBlue> mydera: I still have a tab open to yuor most recent textwall entry in your workbook
[21:05:23] <@OpheliaBlue> Idionym: what happened in it
[21:05:29] <Idionym> well
[21:05:38] <Idionym> i was going to see if a room was empty
[21:05:41] <Idionym> for me to sleep in
[21:05:50] <Idionym> and some werid old guy was like almost naked
[21:05:52] <mydera> LOL, Sorry it's so long! It's catching up for the three days I haven't posted
[21:05:57] <Idionym> so i was like "wtf" and left
[21:06:06] <@OpheliaBlue> I figured mydera
[21:06:14] <Idionym> then I got on the elvetor, which was this huge flying train thing
[21:06:16] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[21:06:24] <Idionym> and thats basiclly all i remember
[21:06:52] <@OpheliaBlue> ever dream about hotels on a regular basis Idionym?
[21:07:04] <Idionym> i dont think so
[21:07:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i think the last time i had a dream i was in a hotel
[21:07:17] <%Oreoboy1996> my grandmother was eaten by a giant spider
[21:07:21] <Idionym> lol
[21:07:21] <%Oreoboy1996>
[21:07:36] <Exotiraan> Idionym: Isn't riding on a train one of the tasks this month?
[21:07:41] <%Oreoboy1996> yep
[21:07:45] <%Oreoboy1996> it's the advanced task
[21:07:47] <Idionym> it wasnt a train tho
[21:07:51] <Idionym> it was a werid flying train
[21:07:58] <@OpheliaBlue> elevator-train
[21:08:01] <Idionym> ya
[21:08:04] <Exotiraan> Still a train.
[21:08:12] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that would have been bad ass if you got lucid
[21:08:24] <Idionym> i agree
[21:08:26] <%RareCola> I have a lot of moments where I wish I had become lucid in a dream
[21:08:42] <Idionym> every moment i wish i become lucid XD
[21:08:50] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[21:08:54] <Idionym> i want to talk to my sub more then have fun atm
[21:08:58] <Idionym> i want to learn
[21:09:00] <mydera> I agree to that WIshing every moment was lucid
[21:09:03] <Idionym> then have fun
[21:09:05] <Exotiraan> Idionym: You're a dom?
[21:09:13] <Idionym> a dom?
[21:09:18] <Coolb3rt> advanced?
[21:09:21] <Coolb3rt> riding on a train
[21:09:26] <Coolb3rt> seems pretty easy to me
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[21:09:32] <%Oreoboy1996> standing on top of a speeding train Coolb3rt
[21:09:40] <%RareCola> Not if you whack your face on a tunnel
[21:09:47] <Coolb3rt> meh about twice as hard as riding in one
[21:09:52] <Coolb3rt> which is easy
[21:09:52] <Idionym> can u feel pain in a dream?
[21:09:57] <Coolb3rt> you can if you can
[21:09:58] Exotiraan does not think he knows if Idionym's word 'sub' is what he is thinking of 'sub.'
[21:10:00] <%RareCola> Of course
[21:10:01] <Coolb3rt> that makes sense trust me
[21:10:06] <%Oreoboy1996> Basic Task - Walk through a mirror and see what's on the other side. Advanced Task - Jump on top of a speeding train and stay on for a while.
[21:10:16] <Coolb3rt> I've walked through a mirror
[21:10:29] <Coolb3rt> one dream I walked through like 50 mirrors
[21:10:32] <%Oreoboy1996> Idionym: yes you can feel pain in a dream
[21:10:37] <Idionym> ok
[21:10:40] <Mindraker> ONCE I've felt the "stinging" of someone throwing rocks at my face in a dream, but it turned out that a mosquito was biting my face in real life.
[21:10:41] <%Oreoboy1996> i've even felt pain in places that don't exist, like my wing
[21:10:52] <Idionym> haha
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[21:11:13] <Mindraker> Wow Oreoboy1996
[21:11:24] <Exotiraan> The last time I felt pain is when I was lucid a long while ago (before the apartment move) and tried to jump through a "portal" I drew on a wall with a Sharpie.
[21:11:34] <Exotiraan> Concrete hurts.
[21:11:37] <%RareCola> LOL
[21:11:41] <mydera> LOL
[21:11:55] <%RareCola> Sharpie isn't portal material
[21:12:02] <%RareCola> Should have tried magic markers
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[21:12:07] <%Oreoboy1996> hello syth406
[21:12:11] <%RareCola> hey syth406
[21:12:25] <syth406> Hey guise
[21:12:32] <mydera> lol cola, "magic" markers, because the magic part makes all the difference right?
[21:12:41] <%RareCola> of course!
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[21:12:44] <mydera> Hey syth!
[21:12:49] <%RareCola> Welcome back
[21:12:51] <@OpheliaBlue> barf
[21:12:51] <mydera> welcome back ophelia
[21:13:00] <syth406> Hey mydera
[21:13:04] <%Oreoboy1996> magic markers have great potential for dream control
[21:13:04] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry, I have had this problem the last 2 nights
[21:13:13] <syth406> Hey ophelia
[21:13:16] <%Oreoboy1996> draw whatever you want and make it come to life
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[21:14:23] <mydera> I tried to use a magic wand in a dream once, but it kept turning into other stuff
[21:14:30] <@OpheliaBlue> haha mydera
[21:14:41] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah that's the problem with props
[21:14:47] <%RareCola> I tend to find dreams like trolling you
[21:14:51] <syth406> Bananna wand
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[21:15:34] <mydera> AT least if a bananna wand didn't work, you could eat it and say that you accomplished something in a dream, tasting food
[21:15:35] <%RareCola> Lots of people coming and going today
[21:16:02] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I don't get it
[21:16:12] <%Oreoboy1996> my dreams troll me sometimes too
[21:16:12] <@OpheliaBlue> hope they're not all getting booted too
[21:16:17] <syth406> I'd just tell myself that the banana will give me wizard powers if I eat it.
[21:16:23] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[21:16:34] <mydera> Good idea
[21:16:34] <%RareCola> That'd probably work actually
[21:16:50] <%RareCola> Gotta love those magic bananas
[21:16:55] <mydera> , Wonders what a magic banan would taste like anyways
[21:16:57] <@OpheliaBlue> oh like in Alice in Wonderland
[21:17:07] <@OpheliaBlue> find something that says "Eat Me" and see what powers you get
[21:17:15] <Mindraker> OK I've got a question... how does "space" behave in your dreams? Is it a rigid feature, or is it something bendable and malleable?
[21:17:20] <%Oreoboy1996> new task of the month?
[21:17:27] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I was just htinking that haha
[21:17:35] <syth406> My brain comes up with the randiest shot a few days ago I dreamt about my English teacher giving me a 6 inch cast wire.
[21:17:38] <Idionym> what happens if u die in a lucid
[21:17:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i had a similar suggestion to find a potion and drink it
[21:17:49] <%Oreoboy1996> Idionym: normally i wake up when i die
[21:17:50] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: mine is usually rigid, but can lose clarity
[21:17:56] <Idionym> oh
[21:17:58] <%RareCola> Space as in, the environment?
[21:18:16] <Mindraker> Well, both space, and objects in space which normally are rigid.
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[21:18:22] <%Oreoboy1996> sometimes i'll be in some sort of ghost mode where i view the dream like a movie instead though
[21:18:24] <Mindraker> Space time
[21:18:27] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm sure it can become malleable if you will it so
[21:18:34] <syth406> I heard that when you jump, u sometimes just float down
[21:18:56] <%Oreoboy1996> Mindraker: i think it's something you can interact with
[21:18:58] <mydera> also wondering what you mean by space... most of my dreams start in strange rooms. When I'm lucid though I can just walk through them or break holes in them that open up somewhere else
[21:19:05] <%RareCola> Generally my dreams are pretty sturdy, only real warped dream I've had is one of my recent lucids, where the world was bent around a fish eye lens
[21:19:07] <Mindraker> Because I had something which normally was *supposed* to be rigid become malleable in my hands in a dream the other day.
[21:19:07] Exotiraan only experiences with dream-dying either resulted in getting put back at whatever point the dream started from or, only once, going into SP.
[21:19:13] <%Oreoboy1996> i once grabbed the fabric of spacetime in a dream and ripped a hole in it to wake up
[21:19:15] <Exotiraan> Except not the sexy kind.
[21:19:21] <mydera> SO it's like space is infinite, I can break through as many walls as I want, theres nothing keeping me from making more spaces
[21:19:31] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: really? do tell..
[21:19:35] <Exotiraan> But the "holy shit, complete emptiness" kind.
[21:20:18] <@OpheliaBlue> I got shot in a dream once, and I fell back slowly, and i could see the silhouette(?) of my mom over me, trying to help me
[21:20:40] <@OpheliaBlue> I felt as if my life was pouring out from the bullet hole, but no pain.. then darkness then I woke up
[21:20:42] <Exotiraan> The one that ended in SP happened when I blew myself up
[21:20:46] <Mindraker> Well, I was having a "save the world" dream, I don't remember much about it (it was the second dream of the night) and I was looking at the TARDIS door -- but apparently I hadn't actually completed the mission. And the TARDIS door wouldn't let me back in. So the door just turned into a big cloth zipper.
[21:20:47] <%RareCola> I never make it to death in dreams, I'm have a pretty reoccurring thing where I'm being stabbed though.
[21:21:00] <@OpheliaBlue> eww really?
[21:21:05] <@OpheliaBlue> who's stabbing you
[21:21:08] <Mindraker> and the door just folded and peeled back into my hand
[21:21:20] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't think my dream deaths are very vivid and graphic
[21:21:30] <%RareCola> Just whoever, an angry shopkeeper, my friend, my mum
[21:21:38] <@OpheliaBlue> what is this TARDIS thing I keep hearing about?
[21:21:38] <%RareCola> always stabbing my arm specifically though
[21:21:41] <%Oreoboy1996> but when i die my focus is usually put elsewhere
[21:21:51] <%RareCola> the TARDIS is from a British TV show, Doctor Who
[21:22:00] Exotiraan adds on for the sake of any NSA agents listening in the channel that blowing-up was a fault of going through menus too fast on a device he had found somewhere and selecting the wrong thing.
[21:22:02] <Mindraker> Ah, the TARDIS is a teleportation device from a sci fi show... back from the 1980s
[21:22:13] <@OpheliaBlue> ahh ok
[21:22:27] <mydera> This death thing reminds me of a dream I had once where I was shot in the neck, and in the dream I could feel my blood gurgling out through the hole as I fell backwards...
[21:22:48] <mydera> ... then I woke up when my body hit the ground and my neck was twitching in the spot I was shot in teh dream
[21:22:49] <@OpheliaBlue> wow
[21:22:52] <syth406> I wanna have a doctor who dream some time. I should try dream incubation but it would be so awesome to have David Tennant as a drea
[21:23:00] <mydera> Did the dream cause the twitch? Or did the twitch cause the dream?
[21:23:05] <syth406> Dream teacher
[21:23:13] <@OpheliaBlue> goood question mydera
[21:23:37] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm sure we've all experienced external sensations that have entered our dreams
[21:23:38] Exotiraan has learned to not tell doctors about the dreaming.
[21:23:45] <Idionym> oh
[21:23:47] <Idionym> why*
[21:23:52] <Idionym> idk how i said oh
[21:23:53] <Mindraker> I agree Exotiraan
[21:23:56] <%Oreoboy1996> most likely the dream caused the twitch if you ask me
[21:24:03] <%RareCola> I agree with Oreo
[21:24:05] <@OpheliaBlue> and I was talking to a coworker last night who had a draem that someone pointed a gun to her head, right on her forehead, and she woke up still feeling that spot on her head
[21:24:21] <%RareCola> I get that a lot, actually
[21:24:29] <%Oreoboy1996> like if you fall in a dream and wake up, your body kind of jumps
[21:24:33] <@OpheliaBlue> me too, the second one of course
[21:24:33] <Exotiraan> The last time I did that when I went to a doctor because of panic disorder, she tried to put me on anti-convulsives for temporal lobe epilepsy.
[21:25:03] <@OpheliaBlue> I get bit on the hand alot, and I can feel it when I wake up
[21:25:18] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: that's... something
[21:25:24] <%RareCola> It's really quite surprising how many people don't understand dreaming
[21:25:24] <Idionym> ^
[21:25:29] <%RareCola> or think you're insane if you tell them about lucidity
[21:25:44] <Exotiraan> She thought I was having waking hallucinations.
[21:25:46] <Mindraker> My goodness, Exotiraan, that's kind of a little overreactive of your doctor!
[21:26:00] <@OpheliaBlue> I've been fortunate when I talk to people about it... orthey think I'm crazy but are too nice about it
[21:26:05] <%RareCola> Haha imagine if you told her about sleep paralysis!
[21:26:05] <Exotiraan> Changed doctors after that.
[21:26:36] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: oh fuck I thought you were describing a dream!
[21:26:38] <mydera> lol, don't blame you
[21:26:41] <linschoppingh> LOL
[21:27:10] <@OpheliaBlue> hey cookieh!
[21:27:17] <Exotiraan> She made the second doctor (in my lifetime) to blame something on temporal lobe epilepsy.
[21:27:19] <linschoppingh> every time i try explaining it to mom for example, it seems like i am crazy xD
[21:27:22] <linschoppingh> hi OpheliaBlue
[21:28:00] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm lucky there too, because my mom and my brother both lucid dream. They DEILD actually, before I ever learned how to, they could reenter dreams at will with full control
[21:28:11] <Mindraker> Well, doctors... you have to find the right balance. Either they are going to be too scared to make the wrong diagnosis (for legal reasons) or they are nutty nuts and they will be overprescribing everything in the book to make money.
[21:28:14] <linschoppingh> D:
[21:28:15] <%RareCola> I've not really tried explaining it to anyone yet
[21:28:38] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: you are so right about that.
[21:28:53] <linschoppingh> i've mentioned it in health class once or twice and the look on the teachers face..
[21:28:54] <linschoppingh> lol
[21:28:56] <@OpheliaBlue> nowadays, they love to underperscribe I've noticed
[21:29:10] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: so DEILD runs in your family? lol
[21:29:14] <@OpheliaBlue> haha wow
[21:29:38] Exotiraan 's mom and grandmother used to both have sleep paralyis episodes often in their twenties.
[21:29:49] <Mindraker> Be careful mentioning all this in school. The last thing you need is some teacher thinking you're on drugs.
[21:29:49] <%Oreoboy1996> no one in my family really talks about their dreams so i don't know much about the genetic side of my dreams >.>
[21:30:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: it really does.. but my dad thinks it's not really lucidity. He thinks we wake up, and try to make sense of what happened, and just insert the fact that we knew we were dreaming.. since a dream only exists in memory when we wake up
[21:30:03] <Idionym> my dad has a nightmare of bears alot
[21:30:09] <@OpheliaBlue> clearly he never had an LD and is jealous
[21:30:18] <linschoppingh> i look forward to bringing my little brother to the dark si--lucid world
[21:30:24] <%Oreoboy1996> lol ophelia
[21:30:26] <linschoppingh> mwahahah
[21:30:29] <Exotiraan> Then my first SP stuffs started happening at the same age.
[21:30:40] <%RareCola> It's really quite cool to be part of a select few who control their dreams though. Quite sad how dreaming is forgotten in the majority of the world
[21:30:48] <linschoppingh> yeah..
[21:30:52] <mydera> lol, come to the lucid world, we have tasty calorie free cookies
[21:30:58] <linschoppingh> OHOH, i watched waking life before!
[21:31:00] <@OpheliaBlue> I tried to tell him that when I remember an LD in the morning, that it's the second time it's been in my mind. The first time was in real time, because I manipulated things consciously
[21:31:03] <linschoppingh> it was noiice
[21:31:10] Exotiraan does not think that is genetic, though, but because each of us in our twenties had really, really shitty sleeping habits.
[21:31:10] <%Oreoboy1996> i watched waking life earlier today
[21:31:12] <%Oreoboy1996> i didn't like it
[21:31:27] <%RareCola> Do you like anything Oreo? xD
[21:31:30] <Mindraker> lol
[21:31:36] <%Oreoboy1996> i like cookies and milk
[21:31:38] <Exotiraan> Oreoboy1996: Did you try "Science of Sleep?"
[21:31:40] <linschoppingh>
[21:31:46] <%Oreoboy1996> ;
[21:31:47] <linschoppingh> science of sleep?
[21:31:48] <Exotiraan> * "The Science of Sleep"
[21:31:48] <%Oreoboy1996>
[21:31:52] linschoppingh notes it down
[21:31:55] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I forgot to tell y'all, RareCola is going to pick up the last 15 minutes of class because I have to leave.
[21:31:56] <Exotiraan> s/try/watch/
[21:32:02] <linschoppingh> oh okay
[21:32:02] <%Oreoboy1996> no i haven't Exotiraan
[21:32:09] <%Oreoboy1996> it's probably nothing more than i already know though
[21:32:18] Exotiraan thinks Oreoboy1996 will like that movie more.
[21:32:21] <%Oreoboy1996> bye OpheliaBlue
[21:32:28] <linschoppingh> what is it about?
[21:32:32] <@OpheliaBlue> I mean, I have to leave in 15 minutes
[21:32:35] <@OpheliaBlue>
[21:32:37] <%Oreoboy1996> oh it's not the last 15 minutes yet lol
[21:32:38] <mydera>
[21:32:42] <linschoppingh> lol
[21:32:44] <@OpheliaBlue> not yet
[21:32:51] <Idionym> why no classes over the weekend?
[21:32:53] <%Oreoboy1996> i will help him
[21:33:01] <@OpheliaBlue> I work horrid hours on the weekend
[21:33:07] <Idionym> ok
[21:33:10] <Idionym> =(
[21:33:12] <Exotiraan> linschoppingh: A very vivid dreamer and love.
[21:33:15] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I know, I hate it
[21:33:16] <linschoppingh> o__o
[21:33:18] <linschoppingh> alrighty
[21:33:19] <Mindraker> Even dreamers need a life of their own, too, ya know
[21:33:22] <linschoppingh> that will be interesting
[21:33:23] <Idionym> NO
[21:33:27] <Idionym> ITS A LIE
[21:33:28] <@OpheliaBlue> this weekend I'll be gone from 5a, until 8pm both days
[21:33:34] <%RareCola> Who needs a life when you have the dream?!
[21:33:36] <linschoppingh> ahh D:
[21:33:43] <Idionym> ^^
[21:33:47] <linschoppingh> that sucks, OpheliaBlue D:
[21:34:01] <Idionym> what do u work as>
[21:34:02] <@OpheliaBlue> it's ok, because I have 4 whole days off a week to play with y'all
[21:34:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm a pastry chef
[21:34:18] Exotiraan thinks he can also add that the main character has probles differentiating between his dreams and reality
[21:34:21] <mydera> That sounds like a tasty job
[21:34:24] <%RareCola> Pastry chef? I'm jealous
[21:34:24] <Exotiraan> (without spoiling anything.)
[21:34:27] <@OpheliaBlue> it so is
[21:34:36] <Idionym> whats ur fav to make
[21:34:44] <mydera> Is that movie like online? or is it an actualy buy on DVD movie?
[21:34:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm thinking about adding one 8pm class on the weekends soon, maybe sunday night.. like once or twice a month
[21:34:52] <@OpheliaBlue> we'll see
[21:35:09] <Exotiraan> mydera: Netflix, BitTorrent...
[21:35:22] <%RareCola> what movie are we talking about?
[21:35:23] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to make cupcakes and chantilly.. you should check out the post food pics thread
[21:35:37] <mydera> Thanks I will look for it then, it sounds interesting!
[21:35:40] <@OpheliaBlue> oh stop making me go off topic
[21:35:46] <%RareCola> I fear going into that thread, it makes me hungry
[21:35:51] <%Oreoboy1996> i was about to tell you to get back on topic
[21:35:57] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[21:36:04] <@OpheliaBlue> how about a segue
[21:36:05] <Mindraker> The cake is a lie
[21:36:07] <@OpheliaBlue> lucid food
[21:36:10] <@OpheliaBlue> tried it?
[21:36:13] <Idionym> no
[21:36:17] <%RareCola> Anyone ever cooked in a lucid dream?
[21:36:20] <Idionym> no
[21:36:22] <%Oreoboy1996> i eat lucid food very frequently now it seems
[21:36:29] <%Oreoboy1996> i baked banana bread once
[21:36:30] <Idionym> why?
[21:36:36] <mydera> Cooking in a lucid sounds dangerous
[21:36:40] <%RareCola> Or just a dream in general
[21:36:44] <Exotiraan> RareCola: Yes. Seveal moons ago. I kept hallucinating.
[21:36:46] <@OpheliaBlue> I ate a bagel and cream cheese twice.. both times were nearly flavorless, but the second time, I got alomst a sour cream taste from the cream cheese
[21:36:52] <Exotiraan> I was trying to make a cake.
[21:36:53] <@OpheliaBlue> but the textures both times were spot on
[21:36:57] <Idionym> whats so good about eating food in a dream?
[21:37:02] <%Oreoboy1996> the other night i made jelly toast
[21:37:03] <%RareCola> I remember being in a baking contest once, baking cakes which induced lucid dreaming
[21:37:07] <@OpheliaBlue> it's just an interesting experiment
[21:37:13] <Idionym> hm
[21:37:24] <@OpheliaBlue> and I didn't cook in the dream, I willed it to appear in my hand
[21:37:30] <linschoppingh> lool
[21:37:35] <@OpheliaBlue> easier and less time/clean-up
[21:37:38] <linschoppingh> CHEAT!
[21:37:41] <%RareCola> Yes well, we can't all be fancy!
[21:37:43] Exotiraan thinks that dream might actually be in his DV DJ.
[21:37:45] <Mindraker> Hm, that's an interesting idea! I'll have to try it. I'll know it's a reality check, because if I'm *actually* cooking something worthwhile, it *has* to be a dream!
[21:38:00] <mydera> I ate one of those rock crystal candy sticks in a dream, but I had dropped in on the ground so it tasted like grass... but then I told myself over and over again there's no grass on it, it can't taste like grass! and it tasted right after that
[21:38:03] <syth406> Anyone made music in a dream?
[21:38:11] <Idionym> no
[21:38:14] <@OpheliaBlue> cool mydera
[21:38:15] <linschoppingh> i've played guitar
[21:38:27] <%Oreoboy1996> cookieh, it isn't cheating, the process of willing it to appear involves highly advanced and accelerated cooking beyond our comprehension
[21:38:28] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[21:38:33] <@OpheliaBlue> I played piano once, but in a nonlucid
[21:38:33] <linschoppingh> lool
[21:38:41] <mydera> lol
[21:38:42] <@OpheliaBlue> haha oreo
[21:38:51] <%Oreoboy1996> oh that reminds me
[21:38:56] <@OpheliaBlue> actually the first few times, a plain circle appeared on my hand
[21:39:05] <%Oreoboy1996> there was i dream i had last night where this girl was singing
[21:39:06] Exotiraan found it.
[21:39:08] <%Oreoboy1996> was weird
[21:39:10] <@OpheliaBlue> took a few times to manifest itself into an actual toasted bagel with cream cheese
[21:39:12] <linschoppingh> o__o
[21:39:13] <Exotiraan> <ssh:screenshot-upload@iandrio> screenshot-upload: http://wintervenom.brandonw.net/screenshot.png
[21:39:15] <%RareCola> At least you weren't attacked by what you were trying to conjure ¬_¬
[21:39:16] <%Oreoboy1996> and i think she said something about being someone elses dream guide
[21:39:22] <syth406> That would probably be the ultimate lucid experience for me
[21:39:36] <linschoppingh> Oreoboy1996: what was she like?
[21:39:38] <@OpheliaBlue> attacked by a toasted bagel? oh yuo had something attack yuo what was it again?
[21:39:44] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't remember
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[21:39:48] <linschoppingh> gah
[21:39:50] <%Oreoboy1996> it's so blurry D:
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[21:39:54] <%RareCola> My plate developed a life of its own
[21:39:55] <@OpheliaBlue> YOU* hell.... you you you you you
[21:39:59] <@OpheliaBlue> haha oh yeah
[21:40:05] <linschoppingh> xD
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[21:40:17] <linschoppingh> O___o
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[21:40:20] <%Oreoboy1996> i've been attacked by something i've summoned before i think
[21:40:22] <@OpheliaBlue> wb syth
[21:40:36] <%Oreoboy1996> i summoned dragons a long time ago and the younger ones were kind of timid
[21:40:43] <%Oreoboy1996> so they tried biting me
[21:40:53] <syth406> I only left for 3 seconds...
[21:41:00] <mydera> If you summon something and it attacks you, can you unsummon it to get rid of it? Or do you have to fight or run away?
[21:41:01] <linschoppingh> are there 2 chat sessions tomorrow? at the same times?
[21:41:18] <Idionym> chatception
[21:41:20] <%Oreoboy1996> mydera: why wouldn't you be able to unsummon it?
[21:41:30] Exotiraan longs for the dreams he used to have as a kid.
[21:41:39] <Exotiraan> Or when I was Oreoboy1996's age.
[21:41:44] <Idionym> which is?
[21:41:44] <Idionym> lol
[21:42:00] <mydera> well you have to picture it being there to sumon it right? how do you picture it being not there? just imagine the room is empty?
[21:42:07] <%RareCola> I never really had interesting dreams as a kid
[21:42:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i suppose mydera
[21:42:20] <%Oreoboy1996> or if you're a spell user kind of like me
[21:42:28] <linschoppingh> i dont remember the dreams i had when i was younger
[21:42:30] <%Oreoboy1996> you would have to come up with a reverse summoning spell
[21:42:43] <linschoppingh> ohoh, i once remember being on a boat
[21:42:50] <mydera> Oh, ok that makes sense. If you have a spell to summon it, youd have a spell to send it away
[21:42:50] Exotiraan knew nothing of lucid dreaming, but did fantasy stuff regularly.
[21:42:53] <linschoppingh> with this scary man dressed in black
[21:42:59] <linschoppingh> and then this dog attacked me
[21:43:03] <%Oreoboy1996> i remember a few of my dreams from when i was younger
[21:43:05] <Exotiraan> I din't even have to try; it came on its own.
[21:43:05] <linschoppingh> out of nowhere
[21:43:12] <linschoppingh> i was 5 or 6 at the time
[21:43:14] <%Oreoboy1996> i remember a few of my old lucids
[21:43:20] <%RareCola> God we are having a lot of chat sessions now aren't we? Just saw the new updated post in the thread.
[21:43:20] <%RareCola> Love it
[21:43:27] <linschoppingh> <3
[21:43:33] <linschoppingh> chat sessions are the best
[21:43:39] <Idionym> i agree
[21:43:42] <mydera> Agree, Chats are fun
[21:43:55] <@OpheliaBlue>
[21:44:18] <Exotiraan> The last one big one I remember is running around in a cavern, watching two giant monsters, towering well above the outside, fight each other.
[21:44:20] <syth406> Hey I've heard about videogames enhancing dreams. What do u guys think of that?
[21:44:30] <@OpheliaBlue> it's still mostly the same, the usual monday tuesday thurs and friday, noon and 8
[21:44:31] <%RareCola> I can see that being true
[21:44:33] <@OpheliaBlue> there's just more members now
[21:44:41] <Exotiraan> I think I was fifteen or so when I had that.
[21:44:57] <Idionym> im almost 15 =P
[21:44:58] <mydera> lol syth, I always dream of stuff from video games... so I would say they make the experience better
[21:45:07] <linschoppingh> my god, i want to use harry potter spells once i start having decent lucids
[21:45:07] <%RareCola> Heh, I have dreams like that now, Exotiraan. Nothing like that when I was younger.
[21:45:31] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I gotta run.. RareCola is boss and topic-setter
[21:45:37] <Mindraker> syth406: it depends on if you're playing the same videogame doing the same repetetive task over and over again grinding & mining for days and weeks and months, or if you are doing different games...
[21:45:37] <mydera> Bye!
[21:45:39] <linschoppingh> bye teacher!
[21:45:40] <@OpheliaBlue> behave /Austin Powers
[21:45:43] <%Oreoboy1996> bye ophelia
[21:45:44] RareCola puts on hat
[21:45:53] <Idionym> bb
[21:45:54] <syth406> Lol
[21:46:22] <Mindraker> Different life experiences will be processed by your brain in your dreams.
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[21:46:46] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
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[21:46:47] <Mindraker> If you lead a boring repetetive life, then your dreams will reflect that.
[21:46:49] <%Oreoboy1996> oh syth i've read an article on it
[21:46:53] <%Oreoboy1996> let me see if i can find it
[21:47:05] <%Oreoboy1996> ahh i can probably summarize it here
[21:47:15] <%RareCola> I don't necessarily think so, Mindraker
[21:47:32] <%Oreoboy1996> it was something like those who actively play video games are known to fight back in nightmares rather than run away
[21:47:34] <syth406> Yeah I wanna know what videogames would have what affect. Generally it seems like fps games dampen emotions, minecraft helps with architectural design of dream buildings.
[21:47:37] <%Oreoboy1996> and even become lucid and take control
[21:47:45] <%RareCola> My life isn't the most exciting thing at the moment, yet my dreams have continued to be extravagant
[21:47:59] <%Oreoboy1996> this is because video games are a virtural reality that we submerse ourselves in, just like dreams
[21:48:02] <mydera> I know Assasins Creed games show up in a lot of peoples dreams
[21:48:05] <%RareCola> I think video games just help with the whole creative and roleplay side of things
[21:48:31] <Idionym> RPG FTW
[21:49:11] <syth406> Well the only game I play right now is LoL and I don't know what effect that would have if any...
[21:49:12] <mydera> I'm playing a "visual novel" type game, where you just read and select what reaction the character has to the events, and it shows up in my dreams a lot when I play it
[21:49:16] <Idionym> OMG
[21:49:18] <Idionym> NO WAY
[21:49:23] <Idionym> I PLAY LOL TOOO
[21:49:26] <Idionym> =O
[21:49:31] <Idionym> we twins bro
[21:49:34] <mydera> What's LOL?
[21:49:36] <%Oreoboy1996>
[21:49:41] <Mindraker> Yeah, what "is" lol?
[21:49:45] <syth406> So then I should get skyrim?
[21:49:47] <Idionym> league of legends
[21:49:48] <Idionym> yes
[21:49:54] <Idionym> i played all elder scrolls games
[21:49:58] <Idionym> skyrims pretty good
[21:50:07] <%RareCola> Yea, I definitely think the different types of video games would cause different affects
[21:50:19] <Idionym> i play lots of different ones
[21:50:22] <%Oreoboy1996> maybe i'll watch lotr before bed for some easier dream incubation
[21:50:36] <%RareCola> I think dreams largely just depend on the most prominent parts of your day
[21:50:36] <mydera> Orea your explanation makes sense! The more submersive a game is, would it be more likely that it carries over into your dreams?
[21:50:41] <syth406> Agh but it's so much moneys I like my cheap/free computer games...
[21:50:44] <%Oreoboy1996> yes mydera
[21:51:01] <mydera> Like, games that give you strong emotions you would be more likely to dream of
[21:51:16] <%Oreoboy1996> and the reason assassins creed or skyrim appear in so many dreams is because they are very easy games to get inside
[21:51:26] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah mydera
[21:51:44] <Idionym> cod =/
[21:51:50] <Idionym> i get so angry when i play it lol
[21:51:53] <Idionym> and Leauge
[21:51:54] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[21:51:59] <mydera> LOL, I have COD dreams too sometimes
[21:52:04] <Idionym> i dont
[21:52:06] <%Oreoboy1996> i should play spyro tomorrow
[21:52:09] <Idionym> or atleast i dont remember
[21:52:20] <%Oreoboy1996> that should affect my dreams quite nicely
[21:52:25] <%RareCola> I don't have very many video game dreams anymore
[21:52:26] <syth406> Cod is supposed to dampen your emotions but it doesn't do much for storyline
[21:52:29] <%RareCola> I used to quite frequently
[21:53:02] <mydera> I play COD with my brother, who happens to be in the military, so everytime I dream of him, we're in COD
[21:53:26] <mydera> Never played the storyline though
[21:53:30] <%RareCola> Ah that makes sense
[21:53:38] <syth406> That's cool
[21:54:21] <%RareCola> What kind of dreams do you guys usually have, more realistic or unrealistic?
[21:54:25] <%RareCola> Non-lucid, of course
[21:54:26] <%Oreoboy1996> this is pretty much the reason why i say getting really into your daydreams is good for DDA and dream incubation
[21:54:38] <%Oreoboy1996> i'd say unrealistic
[21:54:43] <%Oreoboy1996> since fireballs and usually flying everywhere
[21:54:48] <mydera> Maybe the dreams are less about the game and more about the fact that playing with my brother is the only time I see/hear from him, and he's always represented by that soldier on the screen
[21:54:56] <Mindraker> my dreams are usually pretty realistic
[21:54:56] <Idionym> iv been trying to get into a trance lately so i can hyponotis myself
[21:54:59] <%RareCola> Yea I think I have quite unrealistic dreams too. It's interesting how it seems to vary from person to person.
[21:55:03] <syth406> Hey idionym are u lvl 30?
[21:55:07] <Idionym> lol
[21:55:08] <Idionym> ya
[21:55:31] <Mindraker> I like having my feet firmly planted on the ground
[21:55:40] <mydera> also dream unrealistically
[21:55:48] <%RareCola> I was speaking to a friend the other day who mentioned her dreams are usually just almost duplicates of her waking life and the people she usually speaks to in real life
[21:55:58] <syth406> I'm only lvl 18...'
[21:56:04] <Idionym> noob
[21:56:06] <Idionym> XD jk
[21:56:23] <mydera> Oreo, day dreaming how? Like right before bed, or just randomly taking moment sin the day to imagine stuff like cartoon characters do?
[21:56:32] <%RareCola> Haha
[21:56:55] <syth406> I always feel warm and fuzzy inside when I can figure out how my dreams related to my day.
[21:56:57] <%RareCola> Oreo has a whole guide on Daydream Awareness, and I just made a similar thread talking about night-time routines and dream incubation, just in a slightly different way
[21:57:11] <%Oreoboy1996> mydera: i usually daydream before bed or in the middle of the night, but it works at any time of the day really
[21:57:26] <mydera> AWesome, I will look for those threads
[21:57:27] <Mindraker> Goodnight everyone!
[21:57:33] <%Oreoboy1996> goodnight Mindraker
[21:57:34] <mydera> Good night!
[21:57:36] <%RareCola> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/night-...cidity-132655/ - this is myo one
[21:57:40] <%RareCola> Night Mindraker!
[21:57:53] <%Oreoboy1996> i'll take a read at that RareCola, it may be similar to a greater technique i was planning to develop
[21:57:54] <mydera> Thanks for the link!
[21:57:58] <syth406> Cya
[21:58:12] Exotiraan daydreams in bed, anyway, but his dreams 95% of the time end up reverting back to things he usually does or is at in his dreams.
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[21:58:59] <%RareCola> as I mention in my thread I don't think dream incubation should necessarily be about inducing the scene you're imagining
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[21:59:07] <mydera> Exotiraan, do you have any favorite shows or games or anything? Maybe to keep your day dreams interesting and not related to wher eyou are you could pick a character to day dream you are
[21:59:08] <%RareCola> Nice if that happens, but shouldn't be the main focus
[21:59:39] <linschoppingh> wat, lesson ended? DD:
[21:59:46] <%RareCola> Not just yet
[21:59:50] <linschoppingh> whew
[21:59:51] <linschoppingh> gut
[21:59:53] <%Oreoboy1996> 1 minute lol
[21:59:56] <%RareCola> I'm taking over for the last 15 minutes
[22:00:00] <%Oreoboy1996> but we can extend if we want
[22:00:07] <linschoppingh> we can!
[22:00:17] <linschoppingh> right guys? >
[22:00:18] <Idionym> why yes we can!
[22:00:21] <%RareCola> I'm heading off soon though
[22:00:21] <linschoppingh> lol
[22:00:22] <mydera> No one's going to kick us off
[22:00:25] <%RareCola> haha
[22:00:28] <linschoppingh> RareCola: oh no you don't
[22:00:39] <%Oreoboy1996> i will take over then
[22:00:43] <linschoppingh> ye
[22:00:48] <syth406> Aghh now that I started thinking about it I really want to have a doctor who dream!!
[22:00:53] <mydera> Yay
[22:00:57] <%RareCola> Does anyone have any final questions anyway?
[22:01:11] <linschoppingh> how does the hall point thing work?
[22:01:15] <Idionym> ya
[22:01:17] <Idionym> i agree
[22:01:26] <Idionym> on that question
[22:01:28] Exotiraan does have the LotR trillogy still sitting here, unwatched. He should watch all three of those tommorrow. :p
[22:01:28] <%RareCola> The hall point system in general, or how are they awarded for the class?
[22:01:32] <mydera> none here
[22:01:34] <linschoppingh> awarded
[22:01:55] <%RareCola> Just by completing the extra credit assignments at the end of each lesson
[22:01:59] <%Oreoboy1996> Exotiraan: i can almost garuntee to you that if you watched the three movies in one day
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[22:02:03] <%Oreoboy1996> you would have a lotr dream
[22:02:20] <%RareCola> Did you guys see Ophelia's notice on hall points btw?
[22:02:30] <linschoppingh> yeah, but were you and caensis the ones we were supposed to pm?
[22:02:37] <linschoppingh> i did
[22:02:56] <%RareCola> Ophelia, Caenis or Myself
[22:02:57] <%RareCola> doesn't matter
[22:03:14] <linschoppingh> alrighty
[22:03:19] <%RareCola> Once you complete an extra credit assignment, wrap it up in your workbook with how you accomplished it and such
[22:03:19] Exotiraan wonders what other fantasy movies he should grab while he still has access to a nearby broken router.
[22:03:21] <%RareCola> and then PM one of us
[22:03:33] <linschoppingh> yeah but..GAH
[22:04:11] <Exotiraan> (Expecially if there are hot demons to be had. )
[22:04:18] <linschoppingh> lol
[22:05:04] <syth406> Ok I'm gonna sleep, cya guys!
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[22:05:08] <linschoppingh> bye
[22:05:12] <linschoppingh>
[22:05:17] <%RareCola> Anyway I need to get heading off. Ophelia asked me to log the chat so I'm gnna grab it from here.
[22:05:23] <linschoppingh> >.>
[22:05:24] <mydera> Oreo, is just watching or doing something over and over the best way to incubate your dream with it? Or is there a trick to implanting it to your subconcious?
[22:05:26] <Idionym> OK
[22:05:37] <mydera> Bye Cola!
[22:05:40] <%RareCola> Feel free to continue chatting all you like, I'm sure Oreo's here to answer any other questions and such
[22:05:41] <Idionym> bye
[22:05:48] <Idionym> ewww
[22:05:50] <Idionym> oreo
[22:05:54] <Idionym> =P
[22:06:03] <linschoppingh> bbai RareCola
[22:06:11] <%Oreoboy1996> mydera: if you were looking for something more specific to incubate then probably
[22:06:26] <%Oreoboy1996> if it's something general, like you just wanted a lotr style dream
[22:06:56] <%Oreoboy1996> actually forget what i said
[22:07:07] <%Oreoboy1996> i think that works best for anything you want to incubate
[22:07:07] <mydera> I was thinking more on the specific side. Like, incubating something in a dream so that it would be easier to say, "Hey! I'm dreaming!"
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[22:07:39] <mydera> Like, say playing a certain game, and everytime I play the game reality checking like crazy, in hopes that when I see the game in a dream I would know I'm probably dreaming because I wanted to dream about it
[22:07:48] <%Oreoboy1996> you may want to take a look at this if you haven't already http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/daydre...hnique-129932/
[22:08:03] <linschoppingh> sighingplant: you were a bit late D:
[22:08:06] <linschoppingh> ..an hour
[22:08:23] <mydera> Thanks Oreo
[22:08:27] <sighingplant> yeah my bad
[22:08:31] <%Oreoboy1996> incubating a reality check is common and should work
[22:08:37] <sighingplant> an hour late?
[22:08:40] <sighingplant> really?
[22:08:40] <linschoppingh> it's okay we're still here though
[22:08:42] <linschoppingh> yes
[22:08:45] <%Oreoboy1996> don't worry sighingplant, i'm still here to talk about stuff anyways
[22:08:53] <sighingplant> ok cool
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[22:09:29] <linschoppingh> Oreoboy1996: how do you get your sight back if you've lost it in a lucid?
[22:09:29] <sighingplant> Im thinking as of tonight to began the WBTB
[22:10:01] <%Oreoboy1996> i switched from first to third person mode cookieh
[22:10:12] <linschoppingh> D:
[22:10:14] <%Oreoboy1996> well that's what i did one time anyways
[22:10:37] <linschoppingh> hmph
[22:10:38] <%Oreoboy1996> i think a couple other times i activated a dragonborn ability i call dragon sight
[22:10:53] <%Oreoboy1996> improves vision a lot
[22:11:07] <linschoppingh> but would switching to 3rd person and then back to first bring it back?
[22:11:16] <linschoppingh> like a restart
[22:11:41] <%Oreoboy1996> possibly
[22:12:22] <mydera> do you come up with this powers in your dreams? Or do you have like a list of powers you imagined while you were awake and just tried out in a dream?
[22:12:41] <%Oreoboy1996> there have been a few powers i've thought up while awake
[22:12:42] <linschoppingh> i dreamed of so much random nonsense last night that i didnt even know how to journal it >.<
[22:12:43] <sighingplant> what to do about attacking DC(s)?
[22:12:46] <%Oreoboy1996> but many of them come naturally to me
[22:12:56] <sighingplant> thats how i lost my lucidity in my 1st LD
[22:12:58] <Idionym> lol
[22:13:06] <sighingplant> lol
[22:13:08] <%Oreoboy1996> like morphing into a dragon wasn't really ever a dream goal of mine, but it happened anyways once without me thinking
[22:13:20] <linschoppingh> sighingplant: you avada kedavra them ;D
[22:13:25] Exotiraan [Quietly]: Lucky.
[22:13:36] <sighingplant> I couldnt cause I didnt expect the attack
[22:13:37] <%Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: i probably can't help much with that question because i enjoy fighting DCs
[22:13:43] <sighingplant> it was my grandma
[22:13:52] <%Oreoboy1996> lol your grandma attacked you?
[22:14:01] <sighingplant> i was actually trying to slip by quick cause i was naked
[22:14:05] <Idionym> sounds kinkjy
[22:14:07] <sighingplant> yes lol
[22:14:09] <mydera> Sighing plant, you could try escaping through a wall
[22:14:18] <mydera> LMAO, poor Grandma
[22:14:25] <sighingplant> i didnt think of that i was just trying to get out of the room
[22:14:35] <sighingplant> lol mydera
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[22:14:44] <linschoppingh> hahha
[22:15:15] <sighingplant> i had a FA went lucid
[22:15:18] <mydera> I'm totally serious though, I had a dream about dinosaurs attacking, and I became lucid. So to escape them, I knocked a hole in the wall and went somewhere else through the wall
[22:15:28] <sighingplant> look down and see my groin
[22:15:49] <mydera> Walls are amazing in dreams and can get you away from anything
[22:16:00] <%Oreoboy1996> lol walls are amazing?
[22:16:03] <linschoppingh> wait, quick question, are you male or female, sighingplant?
[22:16:15] <Idionym> shemale
[22:16:15] <sighingplant> my instinct was to go explore like the real world not remember i can do anything and kick walls down
[22:16:20] <sighingplant> male
[22:16:26] <Idionym> aw
[22:16:40] <%Oreoboy1996>
[22:16:41] <sighingplant> ?
[22:16:59] <sighingplant> LMAO walls are amazing
[22:17:17] <Idionym> why
[22:17:20] <mydera> yeah, amazing. Because you can go through them, but your dcs can't
[22:17:25] <Idionym> lol
[22:17:39] <%Oreoboy1996> mydera: i can think of a few DCs
[22:18:00] <sighingplant> how do i make my txt a different color cause its bothering me seeing me and Idionym the same color while everyone else is different
[22:18:13] <linschoppingh> a lot people have the basic color
[22:18:20] <sighingplant> ok
[22:18:20] <linschoppingh> but you need to install kvirc
[22:18:20] <%Oreoboy1996> you need to download kvirc
[22:18:26] <sighingplant> im good
[22:18:30] <linschoppingh> and the get this color script
[22:19:55] <sighingplant> nvm that so does anyone do WBTB?
[22:20:15] <mydera> Lucid dreaming is mostly about belief though right? SO as long as you believe that no dcs can get through the wall, none can ^_^
[22:20:17] <linschoppingh> mayb--nah, not really.
[22:20:42] <mydera> I gotta go, buy ^_^
[22:20:46] <Idionym> b
[22:20:47] <linschoppingh> bye
[22:20:48] <Idionym> b
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[22:20:57] <%Oreoboy1996> i do wbtb sometimes
[22:20:59] linschoppingh bought
[22:21:02] <%Oreoboy1996> but i get lazy about it usually
[22:21:14] <linschoppingh> im so lazy about it that i havent even gotten to it
[22:21:50] <sighingplant> but if theres a hole there they can just go through too
[22:22:01] <linschoppingh> use your imagination
[22:22:26] <sighingplant> thats unfair
[22:22:30] <linschoppingh> O__o
[22:22:38] <sighingplant> i go through the hole but they cant
[22:22:43] <linschoppingh>
[22:22:52] <linschoppingh> then fight them like a man.
[22:23:09] <sighingplant> im gonna fight my grandma and while im naked
[22:23:13] <linschoppingh> no other choice, you either make it unfair or you man up and beat the hell out of them
[22:23:14] <sighingplant> OK
[22:23:16] <linschoppingh> LOL
[22:23:36] <sighingplant> its not that i was scared
[22:23:55] <sighingplant> she grabbed my arms i couldnt shake her off
[22:23:59] <linschoppingh> my god
[22:24:05] <linschoppingh> creepy old people
[22:24:14] <linschoppingh> not letting you go
[22:24:19] <sighingplant> i tried stabalizing by rubbing my hands (began losing lucidity)
[22:24:24] <sighingplant> she grabbed those too
[22:24:28] <linschoppingh> o__o
[22:24:35] <linschoppingh> control freak!
[22:24:42] <sighingplant> everything went dark i tried screaming more lucid by my mouth wouldnt budge
[22:24:53] <sighingplant> lol
[22:25:10] <%Oreoboy1996> i'm back...
[22:25:16] <linschoppingh> ah damn, i missed the sunrise >.<
[22:25:52] <sighingplant> thats that
[22:26:20] <Idionym> that is taht
[22:26:21] <Idionym> i agree
[22:26:34] <sighingplant> yup
[22:26:43] <linschoppingh> taht is taht ineedd
[22:26:50] <sighingplant> so what tips can you give lucid noob
*switches to CST*
[21:26:56] <sighingplant> to a*
[21:27:01] <linschoppingh> oh god
[21:27:13] <linschoppingh> i was going "What did you say?" in my head already
[21:27:19] <linschoppingh> true story anyways
[21:27:26] <linschoppingh> have faith
[21:27:31] <sighingplant> lol
[21:27:35] <linschoppingh> Oreoboy1996: help.
[21:27:36] <sighingplant> i have
[21:27:44] <linschoppingh> get sum more!
[21:27:58] <%Oreoboy1996> sorry i was trying to save the chat log because there's a bit of a bug
[21:28:08] <linschoppingh> O__o
[21:28:12] <sighingplant> its kinda dead
[21:28:16] <sighingplant> 3 ppl talking
[21:28:27] <linschoppingh> well the class is over...
[21:28:30] <%Oreoboy1996> kind of hard for me to give random tips
[21:28:39] <sighingplant> damn :/
[21:28:43] <@OpheliaBlue|Away> !back
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[21:28:44] <linschoppingh> sighingplant: what technique do you practice?
[21:28:45] <%Oreoboy1996> i guess i can say the key to lucidity is awareness
[21:28:53] <%Oreoboy1996> hello OpheliaBlue
[21:28:54] <sighingplant> DILD
[21:28:59] <linschoppingh> okay
[21:29:11] <sighingplant> im thinking of going WBTB tonight
[21:29:40] <linschoppingh> maybe i should be up another 12 hours...
[21:29:51] <sighingplant> i do RCs throught the day (nose plug and palm poke)
[21:29:57] <linschoppingh> alrighty
[21:30:03] <sighingplant> i do a little ADA
[21:30:14] <sighingplant> my ADA doesnt last long
[21:30:48] <sighingplant> its really not BS like it says in the guide you just dont do it long when youre new to it
[21:31:11] <%Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue: here's most of the chat if you need it Chat session - Pastebin.com
[21:31:14] <linschoppingh> i like how i sometimes see peoples' eyes very clearly in my dreams..even if everything else seems blurry..
[21:31:27] <sighingplant> i dont think sleep deprivation helps linschop
[21:31:29] <Idionym> SHES BACKK
[21:31:30] <linschoppingh> nvm me, im just talking to myself atm basically
[21:31:31] <Idionym> =D
[21:31:38] <%RareCola> Oh awesome, Oreo, you're a life-saver!
[21:31:44] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[21:31:46] <linschoppingh> nah, im not expecting it to help anything
[21:32:04] <linschoppingh> (my real nick is Cookieh, though)
[21:32:20] <sighingplant> why dont you go by Cookieh here then
[21:32:28] <Idionym> hes a liar
[21:32:29] <linschoppingh> because it's a namerape
[21:32:35] <sighingplant> cool to know tho
[21:32:38] <linschoppingh> and i havent bothered to reconnect yet
[21:32:43] <sighingplant> ok
[21:32:44] <linschoppingh> Idionym: i am a female ;D
[21:32:47] <%Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: sleep deprivation can lead to REM rebound, which will cause you to have a high number of vivid dreams i think
[21:32:58] <linschoppingh> oh yeah, that too
[21:32:59] <sighingplant> oh
[21:33:33] <Idionym> ok
[21:33:37] <sighingplant> HI is soooo vivid
[21:33:40] <Idionym> what does that have to do with anything
[21:33:40] <linschoppingh> i have succeeded in messing up my sleeping patterns again..
[21:33:42] <sighingplant> its unbelieveable
[21:33:44] <Idionym> that ur a female
[21:33:44] <@OpheliaBlue> thank you Oreoboy1996
[21:33:48] <linschoppingh> <Idionym> hes a liar
[21:33:48] <@OpheliaBlue> and RareCola
[21:33:56] <@OpheliaBlue> I have some of it too, I'll piece it together
[21:34:05] <sighingplant> i once stood up until 3 hrs left to have to get up cause i was working on a project
[21:34:12] <%Oreoboy1996> alright then
[21:34:14] <sighingplant> (im a procastanter)
[21:34:20] <sighingplant> i went to bed finally
[21:34:26] <sighingplant> closed my eyes and BOOM
[21:34:43] <sighingplant> i saw like some bradpitt looking guy dressed as a cowboy
[21:34:53] <sighingplant> just his neck and up
[21:34:55] <linschoppingh>
[21:35:04] <%Oreoboy1996> !away
[21:35:05] Oreoboy1996 [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996|Away
[21:35:09] <linschoppingh> D:
[21:35:13] <sighingplant> there was a tarantuala walking on his cowboy hat
[21:35:13] <linschoppingh> oreo y u leave
[21:35:17] <sighingplant> sooo wierd
[21:35:18] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> okay fine >.>
[21:35:20] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> !back
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[21:35:22] <linschoppingh>
[21:36:27] <sighingplant> Ophelia is it true i missed the class?
[21:36:39] <@OpheliaBlue> what class, tonight's class?
[21:36:42] <linschoppingh> ye
[21:36:46] <sighingplant> yeah
[21:36:53] <@OpheliaBlue> well, when did you join?
[21:37:00] <%Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: you joined right after it ended
[21:37:02] <sighingplant> 37 mins ago
[21:37:03] <linschoppingh> at 5am my time
[21:37:22] <sighingplant> i came 10pm my time
[21:37:26] <@OpheliaBlue> lol it ended 37 minutes ago
[21:37:30] <sighingplant> lol
[21:37:35] <%Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: it's 9pm est
[21:37:43] <@OpheliaBlue> it's ok, obviously it's still going on a bit
[21:37:43] <sighingplant> nah 10 here
[21:37:57] <%Oreoboy1996> no sighingplant, i'm saying that the class is at 9pm est
[21:38:04] <sighingplant> good
[21:38:07] <%Oreoboy1996> you came at 10pm est
[21:38:07] <@OpheliaBlue> I just can't stay I have to make beef bourgignon
[21:38:15] <linschoppingh> D:
[21:38:18] <linschoppingh> icanhas?
[21:38:26] <sighingplant> thats fine Ophelia
[21:38:32] <sighingplant> ok Oreoboy
[21:38:34] <@OpheliaBlue> yes you can has.. keep a weather eye on the post food pics thread
[21:38:41] linschoppingh yays
[21:38:42] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[21:38:44] <%Oreoboy1996> <.<
[21:38:48] <%Oreoboy1996> away to watch lotr
[21:38:53] <%Oreoboy1996> !away
[21:38:54] Oreoboy1996 [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996|Away
[21:38:59] <@OpheliaBlue> YAY
[21:38:59] <linschoppingh> D:
[21:39:15] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> cookieh seems to have separation anxiety
[21:39:25] <linschoppingh> hahahha
[21:39:35] <@OpheliaBlue> and a love for french cuisine
[21:39:41] <linschoppingh>
[21:39:44] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> my dog has that too so you're not alone cookieh
[21:40:01] <linschoppingh> did you really compare me to your dog D:
[21:40:05] <linschoppingh> loool
[21:40:13] <@OpheliaBlue> ok hang on while I try to piece together the chats
[21:40:18] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> yes i did lol
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[21:40:33] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> DaveTheJoker: you're an hour and 40 minutes late >.>
[21:40:41] <linschoppingh> noice work ;D
[21:40:48] <DaveTheJoker> oops
[21:40:50] <linschoppingh> and i thought i was the master of late
[21:40:56] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996|Away: it looks like you got the whole thing
[21:41:00] <@OpheliaBlue> or am I missing something
[21:41:00] <DaveTheJoker> better late then never
[21:41:29] <@OpheliaBlue> up to sighingplant's belated entrance
[21:41:54] <DaveTheJoker> OpheliaBlue: that recall method is a good idea, thanks
[21:41:57] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i got most of it up until more discussion happened
[21:42:16] <@OpheliaBlue> ok gotcha
[21:42:35] <@OpheliaBlue> you're eastern time, correct Oreoboy1996|Away
[21:42:40] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> yeah
[21:42:47] <@OpheliaBlue> amen! I got it
[21:42:55] <@OpheliaBlue> !away logging chat
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[21:44:26] <sighingplant> lets share our first time, yea?
[21:44:56] <linschoppingh> eh sure
[21:44:58] <linschoppingh> lucid?
[21:45:03] <linschoppingh> waitnvm
[21:45:10] <linschoppingh> lol
[21:45:15] <sighingplant> no sex
[21:45:21] <linschoppingh> hahahah
[21:45:21] <sighingplant> lol yeah lucid
[21:45:45] <Idionym> kinky
[21:45:46] <linschoppingh> nevermind my stupid questions, i go whacko after a while of sleep deprivation
[21:45:57] <sighingplant> its ok
[21:45:58] <sighingplant> i do
[21:46:10] <linschoppingh> k who's first.
[21:46:13] <sighingplant> i say silly dumb stuff and constantly giggle
[21:46:18] <linschoppingh> hahaha
[21:46:18] <sighingplant> dont feel bad
[21:46:22] <linschoppingh> know that feel
[21:46:23] <Idionym> lol
[21:46:27] <DaveTheJoker> hey
[21:46:27] <Idionym> u giggle =P
[21:46:27] <sighingplant> yea lol
[21:46:31] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> share our first lucids?
[21:46:31] <sighingplant> yes
[21:46:36] <sighingplant> yeah
[21:46:40] <linschoppingh> OREO
[21:46:41] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> my first was when i was 7 years old
[21:46:45] <linschoppingh> YOUR FIRST LUCID, SHOOT
[21:47:00] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> everyone in my school turned against me and were demonic or something
[21:47:03] <DaveTheJoker> I was buzzed on nyquil
[21:47:07] <linschoppingh> o__o
[21:47:10] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> they chased me out onto the playground
[21:47:19] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i looked up at the sky and it was red
[21:47:21] <sighingplant> sounds a bit scary
[21:47:31] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i became lucid because of that and tried waking myself up
[21:47:52] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i had to break through sleep paralysis which is really hard to do
[21:47:59] <linschoppingh> D:
[21:48:38] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> but when i woke up i was left wondering how that happened
[21:49:56] <sighingplant> cool
[21:50:08] <DaveTheJoker> see hes a natural
[21:50:08] <sighingplant> ive never had a lucid before
[21:50:26] <linschoppingh> oh you haven't?
[21:50:27] <sighingplant> but ive had times where i was like this doesnt feel right
[21:50:29] <sighingplant> or
[21:50:38] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i'm a natural but that doesn't mean i don't have to work for high lucidity
[21:50:50] <DaveTheJoker> yea sometimes lucids suck
[21:51:02] <DaveTheJoker> like all of my lucids for example
[21:51:05] <sighingplant> before as in before my 1st which like a month or more ago
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[21:51:41] <linschoppingh> if i get kids one day, im gonna start teaching them luciding..
[21:51:42] <Idionym> '
[21:51:47] <Idionym>
[21:51:50] <linschoppingh> O__o
[21:51:51] <sighingplant> you can say your a natural at breaking through
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[21:51:59] <frobthebuilder> what is this shit
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[21:52:09] <linschoppingh> lol

June 8th noon chat

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[12:00:41] <Appe96> Hey ophelia!
[12:00:44] <@opheliablue> hey there!
[12:00:47] <Idionym> hey
[12:00:53] <@opheliablue> what's up
[12:00:59] <@opheliablue> thought you couldn't make it Idionym
[12:01:00] <Idionym> the sky
[12:01:05] <Appe96> erm, I gotta eat soon and it will take about 15 mins :S
[12:01:06] <Idionym> im not going yet
[12:01:07] <@opheliablue> yes, well done
[12:01:24] <Idionym> idk when my mom and dad are coming home
[12:01:30] <Idionym> but it will be soon =/
[12:02:24] <Idionym> soooo
[12:02:34] <Idionym> i rememberd 4 differern dream frags
[12:02:52] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> i can remember 2 lucids
[12:02:55] <%Oreoboy1996|Away> !back
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[12:03:17] <Idionym> oh crap gtg
[12:03:19] <Idionym> l8r
[12:03:21] <@opheliablue> see ya
[12:03:23] <%Oreoboy1996> bye Idionym
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[12:03:46] <@opheliablue> I had a really great non lucid, but no lucids... I crashed waaay too hard last night, totally my fault
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[12:04:07] <Idionym> nvm
[12:04:12] <Idionym> like 5-10 more mins
[12:04:34] <%Oreoboy1996> i became lucid in the second one because things got blurry and I passed out for no reason
[12:04:48] <@opheliablue> passed out in the dream? so weird
[12:04:55] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah it's weird when it happens
[12:04:58] <@opheliablue> what were your fragments Idionym
[12:05:12] <Idionym> first one was Will farrel saying ROCK ON
[12:05:16] <@opheliablue> haha
[12:05:29] <Idionym> second one was me with my school at a play
[12:05:33] <@opheliablue> Morten: Epicoraan
[12:05:40] <@opheliablue> cactieh:
[12:05:48] <Idionym> 3rd was i was a microphone that electrified peoples shirts
[12:05:51] <cactieh> huh
[12:05:57] <Idionym> and the 4th was my sister
[12:06:03] <Idionym> saying somthing
[12:06:03] <cactieh> WAITWHAT
[12:06:06] <@opheliablue> that's so funny, paige was a shoe yesterday being thrown at someone
[12:06:08] <cactieh> it's 8?!
[12:06:22] <@opheliablue> yeah I just pinged you in case you wanted to play
[12:06:27] <cactieh> mein gott
[12:06:34] <Appe96> have never been a object in my dreams, I wonder how that feels
[12:06:37] <cactieh> where did the day go..
[12:06:40] <@opheliablue> yeah me neither
[12:06:59] <%Oreoboy1996> in my first lucid i was teaching paigey more dragonborn stuff
[12:07:24] <Idionym> like
[12:07:25] <@opheliablue> I had a loooong nonlucid about a ridiculously hot guy at the gym, who kept trying to hook up with me
[12:07:26] <Morten> Never been an object either, but sometimes it feels like I'm just watching a movie. I'm not even there.
[12:07:26] <Idionym> a shared?
[12:07:31] <@opheliablue> but I wouldn't cheat on Danny
[12:07:38] <cactieh> lol
[12:07:48] <@opheliablue> I mean, I created the DC, no one I know for real
[12:08:01] <%Oreoboy1996> no Idionym, paigey was most likely just a DC
[12:08:05] <Appe96> Morten, I usually have that feeling :S
[12:08:07] <@opheliablue> he was ridiculousy hot and build, but really smarmy.. he asked me to "spot him"
[12:08:10] <Idionym> ok\
[12:09:06] <Idionym> i usally dream in 3rd person
[12:09:14] <Idionym> so i dont really feel much in my dreams
[12:09:19] <Idionym> or i dont remember the feeling
[12:09:19] <@opheliablue> like you're watching it more than participating?
[12:09:23] <Idionym> ya
[12:09:27] <Appe96> Gotta eat now, I'll be back in 15 mins
[12:09:31] <@opheliablue> yeah I know what you mean
[12:09:33] <@opheliablue> ok Appe96
[12:10:40] <%Oreoboy1996> i can feel things in third person\
[12:11:08] <@opheliablue> so does it feel like yuo're just on a sofa watching TV basically?
[12:11:22] <Idionym> well
[12:11:25] <Idionym> its like a movie
[12:11:36] <@opheliablue> I switch back and forth alot, specially if what I feel in 1st person gets scary or uncomfortable in any way
[12:11:49] <Idionym> it feels like im watching through different cameras
[12:11:54] <@opheliablue> so I kidna detatch myself, though not on purpose
[12:12:06] <@opheliablue> oh, interesting
[12:12:12] <Morten> I have it exactly like Idionym.
[12:13:50] <@opheliablue> that would sure be a great time to become lucid, then yuo could really chose whether to be in the story, or just watching it
[12:14:09] <@opheliablue> reality check whenever you are holding a camera then
[12:14:58] <@opheliablue> you guys are a quiet bunch today
[12:15:02] <Morten> yeah well, for me it often feels like I'm as far away from lucidity as possible. No awareness at all when it's third person.
[12:15:05] <@opheliablue> where's Exo
[12:15:10] <Morten> Soccer on tv.
[12:15:15] <@opheliablue> oh haha
[12:15:53] <Idionym> ya
[12:16:50] <Idionym> lol
[12:16:56] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:17:05] <Idionym> any topics XD
[12:17:28] <Morten> I'm trying to change the habit I have developed with remembering my dreams and write them all down in the morning. but it's difficult when it's has become a habit!
[12:17:52] <Idionym> what do u want to change it to
[12:17:54] <@opheliablue> Morten: meaning you have the habit of NOT writing them, or whatchoo mean?
[12:18:53] <Morten> I don't write anything down throughout the night but just remind myself to remember them so I can write everything down in the morning.
[12:19:06] <@opheliablue> and I think this would be a good time to discuss journaling and recall.. I talked abotu it yesterday
[12:19:30] <Morten> But I think it might be a bad idea since my mind is not on lucid dreaming but just on remembering the dreams.
[12:19:34] <@opheliablue> this new technique I came up with, if you remember dreams during the night, but want to wait to journal them in the morning
[12:20:20] <@opheliablue> just remember key words and link them together physically in your mind
[12:20:37] <%Oreoboy1996> i already do that
[12:20:44] <%Oreoboy1996> well more like i used to
[12:20:50] <@opheliablue> that's because you're a rockstar
[12:20:55] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[12:21:03] <@opheliablue> I used to do that to remember things for a test in school
[12:21:10] <cactieh> sigh
[12:21:25] <@opheliablue> it really works when I don't want to get up and write stuff, so I can go right back to sleep
[12:21:34] <@opheliablue> whatssa matter cactieh
[12:21:39] <cactieh> nothing much
[12:21:51] <@opheliablue> oh and Morten, do you do anything special to prepare fro Lucids prior to going to sleep?
[12:22:14] <cactieh> joey came on time and now he's probably gonna ping out >.>
[12:22:30] <Morten> I sometimes read in Laberge's book and repeat a mantra.
[12:23:16] <@opheliablue> oh, JoeyBelgier?
[12:23:58] <@opheliablue> do you feel focusing on recall takes away from focusing on LDing?
[12:23:59] <cactieh> ye
[12:25:02] <%Oreoboy1996> a little bit
[12:25:55] <@opheliablue> hrmm.. I never noticed that, because I usually just let the recall thing happen.. unless it's several dreams in a row, then I do the keyword thing
[12:26:11] <@opheliablue> but I'm confused as to how it could take away from your LD focus
[12:28:01] <Morten> I feel it takes away my LD focus if I'm to lazy to write anything down in the middle of the night and have to focus on remembering the dream(s) and not on LDing at all.
[12:28:21] <%Oreoboy1996> the fact that you have to put some focus to recall can force you to take focus away from lucid dreaming?
[12:28:22] <@opheliablue> oh I see
[12:28:40] <Morten> Yes.
[12:28:42] <@opheliablue> well I was confused because I put the focus on LDin BEFORE bed, then on recall later
[12:29:37] <%Oreoboy1996> sometimes you have to put focus on it in the middle of the night
[12:29:52] <Morten> Whats your focus if you wake up in the middle of the night?
[12:31:00] <@opheliablue> if I wake up in the night from a dream that I can remember, I think of a keyword, then really just focus on getting back to sleep
[12:31:29] <@opheliablue> if it's earlier in the morning, like between 5 and 7 am, the focus is more on incubations so I can become lucid
[12:31:39] <Morten> hmm okay...
[12:31:58] <@opheliablue> but I never felt like the focus was in competition with eachother.. but I never really thought of it before you mentioned it
[12:32:44] <%Oreoboy1996> if i wake up in the middle of the night my focus is usually go back to sleep
[12:32:46] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[12:32:55] <Idionym> lol
[12:33:10] <%Oreoboy1996> but my focus should be going towards a wbtb attempt and writing down a few words in my notebook
[12:33:28] <@opheliablue> it's an interesting point though.. I work hard with people who have little to no recall alot, but sicne my recall has never been an issue for me personally, I never made a connection with the 2 focuses
[12:33:31] <@opheliablue> foci?
[12:33:41] <%Oreoboy1996> ^
[12:33:44] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:34:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i have a hard time teaching recall to those who have none
[12:34:08] <Idionym> gtg
[12:34:10] <cactieh> oh, now i remember, i was at my old school and there was a creepy evil lady staring at me while i was trying to find a way out of that room..
[12:34:11] <@opheliablue> see ya Idionym
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[12:34:17] <%Oreoboy1996> mostly because i've had natural recall my whole life and thought everyone else did
[12:34:17] <Idionym> see u at 8
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[12:34:23] <@opheliablue> hey JoeyBelgier!
[12:34:24] <cactieh> or that building..
[12:34:27] <JoeyBelgier> Hi
[12:34:28] <cactieh> hi joey
[12:34:28] <JoeyBelgier> I hal
[12:34:36] <@opheliablue> ew, creepy evil lady
[12:34:41] <cactieh> yeah
[12:34:47] <JoeyBelgier> I half-made it
[12:34:53] <%Oreoboy1996> that reminds me of a lucid i had many years ago that i had forgotten
[12:35:01] <@opheliablue> I need to let the dogs out brb a minute
[12:35:02] <@opheliablue> !brb
[12:35:02] opheliablue [[email protected]] is now known as opheliablue|BRB
[12:35:06] <%Oreoboy1996> there was this giant creepy old lady yelling at me
[12:35:23] <%Oreoboy1996> so i became lucid and started running and forced myself to wake up
[12:35:30] <%Oreoboy1996> i didn't do much in my old lucids
[12:35:34] <cactieh> and OMG, my current swedish teacher was singing the one song from tenacious d..
[12:35:37] <JoeyBelgier> !brb smoke
[12:35:38] JoeyBelgier [[email protected]] is now known as JoeyBelgier|BRB
[12:35:38] <cactieh> icant recall which song
[12:36:23] <cactieh> gah i gotta write this down
[12:37:08] <@opheliablue|BRB> !back
[12:37:09] opheliablue|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as opheliablue
[12:37:24] <@opheliablue> write it!
[12:37:59] <@opheliablue> haha Oreoboy1996.. what would you do today if you had an LD like that? Confront and kick the old lady, or just change the dream? Or try to reason with her?
[12:38:04] <@opheliablue> or wake yourself up
[12:38:35] <%Oreoboy1996> well i'm not sure if i'm willing to fight an old lady
[12:38:44] <%Oreoboy1996> probably just say "lol" and fly away
[12:38:47] <@opheliablue> haha
[12:39:04] <cactieh> lool, someone was wearing a pikachu costume in a sauna in my dream o__o
[12:39:09] <cactieh> the hell is up..
[12:39:26] <@opheliablue> sounds like quite a party
[12:39:29] <cactieh> lol
[12:39:38] <@opheliablue> that costume would be right not and humid in a sauna
[12:40:00] <cactieh> it's the second night that i've dreamed of being back in the town i used to live in
[12:40:07] <cactieh> and back in the school i used to be in.
[12:40:10] <cactieh> >.>
[12:40:30] <Morten> dream sign!
[12:40:37] <cactieh> meh
[12:40:52] <cactieh> i go there like max 5 times a year so it's not much help
[12:41:02] <@opheliablue> I do that with high school band alot, and my band director
[12:41:26] <cactieh> and we were supposed to sing some weird song..man, that stuff was vivid
[12:41:34] <@opheliablue> or I'm back in college but I missed class, or I'm lost and all panicky
[12:42:05] <cactieh> there was this staircase that kept bringing me back to the room with the evil, glaring old lady
[12:42:06] <%Oreoboy1996> i've learned that you can still become lucid from dream signs that you don't encounter often in real life
[12:42:22] <cactieh> yeah, guess you can
[12:42:23] <%Oreoboy1996> all you have to do is mentally associate the sign with dreaming and you can become lucid no problem
[12:42:36] <@opheliablue> yeah I was going to say something like that
[12:42:40] <%Oreoboy1996> like i don't see any of my dream guides in real life
[12:42:48] <%Oreoboy1996> but they're still dream signs that get me lucid quite often
[12:42:52] <@opheliablue> alot of folks think the only way to become lucid with a dream sign is to RC when you see it irl
[12:46:58] <cactieh> i don't get it. how do i do that then?
[12:47:33] <%Oreoboy1996> *cough*daydream*cough*
[12:47:34] <%Oreoboy1996> >.>
[12:47:38] <%Oreoboy1996> <.<
[12:47:43] <@opheliablue> I can't speak for Oreoboy1996, but during waking life, I would mentally associate the dreamsign with lucidity
[12:48:23] <%Oreoboy1996> just think about the dream sign and associate it with lucidity like what ophelia said
[12:48:24] <@opheliablue> kind of like an automatic LUCID button.. then when you are visiting the school or whatever in real life, do some RCs
[12:49:06] <%Oreoboy1996> like my horrible disgusting dream sign of vomiting or sand flying into my mouth
[12:49:09] <@opheliablue> I really need to do that, have some school daydreams
[12:49:19] <%Oreoboy1996> that rarely happens in real life, yet i've become very good at noticing it in my dreams
[12:49:40] <@opheliablue> quite uncomfortable, but at least it's effective!
[12:49:49] <%Oreoboy1996> lol daydreaming of school
[12:49:58] <@opheliablue> oh by the way, wasn't sure if everyone has seen this yet: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/night-...cidity-132655/
[12:50:12] <%Oreoboy1996> i looked at it but forgot to actually read it lol
[12:50:15] <@opheliablue> Oreoboy1996: lol ikr?
[12:50:49] <@opheliablue> and i need to read y'all's incubation tutorial, I still have the tab open to it so I wouldn't forget last night
[12:52:12] <%Oreoboy1996> our guide contains pretty much everything we could find on the subject of dream incubation
[12:52:19] <%Oreoboy1996> that we found useful anyways
[12:53:25] <@opheliablue> It looks really good, nice and professional
[12:54:05] <@opheliablue> like I said before, I'd like to find a way to get it on the wiki page, once I figure out the protocol, even if it's just to find that there IS no protocol
[12:54:20] <%Oreoboy1996> lol alright
[12:56:11] <@opheliablue> dead chat today.. good in a way, kinda like a break when I don't have a million questions being fired at me all at once
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[12:58:00] <%Oreoboy1996> yeah
[12:58:18] <%Oreoboy1996> and there's still an 8pm class you have to worry about too i think
[12:59:24] <@opheliablue> yeah it's ok.. I like the later one more because it gives me time to respond to workbooks.. this noon class is like, right after I get up
[12:59:32] <@opheliablue> I'm such a sleep-a-holic
[13:00:14] <@opheliablue> I may even go walking today, instead of staying inside on DV all day.. it's not too hot out from all the clouds and rain
[13:00:30] <@opheliablue> ok logging chat
[13:00:31] <@opheliablue> !away
[13:00:31] opheliablue [[email protected]] is now known as opheliablue|Away
[13:00:43] <@opheliablue|Away> thank Oreoboy1996 as always for your input and experience
[13:01:09] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[13:01:16] <%Oreoboy1996> happy to help

ATTENTION!!

The Friday, June 8th, 8pm CST chat time has been modified. Basically I just found out that we're going out to eat dinner tonight (it's a celebration ). So feel free to attend #DVA, and have open lucid discussion amongst yourselves. Possible topics to discuss are:

• Dream Incubation Tutorial
• Night-Time Routine Guide
• Layers of Lucidity

RareCola and OreoBoy are taking the class over, so do whatever they say!

June 8th 8pm chat

Was kind of a dead chat. I think everyone was out enjoying their Friday night.

Spoiler for #DVA:

[21:00:02] <@Oreoboy1996|BRB> RareCola:
[21:00:03] <@RareCola> So it's startin' time
[21:00:08] <@RareCola> Haha wow
[21:00:09] <@Oreoboy1996|BRB> okay making sure you're here lol
[21:00:12] <@Oreoboy1996|BRB> !back
[21:00:13] <@RareCola> spoke at exactly the same time
[21:00:14] Oreoboy1996|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as Oreoboy1996
[21:00:50] <@RareCola> So is anyone else here?
[21:01:00] <cookieh> how are there so little people here
[21:01:01] <@Oreoboy1996> *crickets*
[21:01:10] <cookieh> erin is away and exo is brb
[21:01:19] <@RareCola> Haha interesting
[21:01:24] <@Oreoboy1996> we will school cookieh then
[21:01:32] <@RareCola> Maybe everyone forgot
[21:01:42] <cookieh> D:
[21:02:31] <@RareCola> So I'm hoping to break my dry spell tonight, I'm going to stop "trying" to break it and just ~go with the flow
[21:02:39] <@RareCola> I think my trying too hard is setting me back
[21:02:43] <cookieh> ~~~~
[21:02:48] <@Oreoboy1996> going with the flow is a good way to break it
[21:03:14] <@RareCola> Yea I figured
[21:03:40] <@RareCola> It's only been just over a week, but I'd like to start working on the TOTM
[21:03:50] Oreoboy1996 wonders if we should remind people in #DV
[21:04:06] <@RareCola> I think DaveTheJoker was around a bit earlier
[21:04:15] <cookieh> frob is there.
[21:04:36] <cookieh> meh, he's nto interested in it anyways
[21:04:39] <cookieh> not
[21:04:56] <@Oreoboy1996> maybe we did such a good job at teaching people that they're already masters and don't need to come here >.>
[21:05:07] <cookieh> lol right
[21:05:27] <@RareCola> Haha
[21:05:37] <@RareCola> How are you doing anyway cookieh? Saw you didn't update your workbook today
[21:05:43] <cookieh> i didnt?
[21:05:50] <cookieh> i dont always have anything to say
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[21:06:11] <@RareCola> Yea just wondered if anything interesting happened
[21:06:17] <frobthebuilder> WHATS GOING ON IN HERE GUIZE
[21:06:25] <@Oreoboy1996> a class
[21:06:27] <cookieh>
[21:06:27] <@RareCola> Magic
[21:06:34] <cookieh> *snortsnort*
[21:06:34] <@Oreoboy1996> with substitute teachers and no students
[21:06:37] <frobthebuilder> OH BOY SOUNDS LIKE FUN
[21:06:55] <@RareCola> It is, actually
[21:06:57] <cookieh> Oreoboy1996: maybe they didnt come cause of substitutes?
[21:07:01] <frobthebuilder> WHAT IS SAID CLASS ABOUT
[21:07:08] <@Oreoboy1996> look at the topic frobthebuilder
[21:07:08] <cookieh> IT'S ABOUT MAGIC
[21:07:12] <@RareCola> Just open discussion tonight
[21:07:54] <cookieh> am i the only one the link doesn't show up for?
[21:08:15] <erinerinfalk|Away> !back
[21:08:16] erinerinfalk|Away [[email protected]] is now known as erinerinfalk
[21:08:19] <cookieh> wb erinerinfalk
[21:08:26] <@Oreoboy1996> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/dva-c...2/#post1893802
[21:08:26] <@RareCola> Hey Oreo, I saw you liked my guide. Was it like that new technique you were developing at all?
[21:08:27] <erinerinfalk> thanks lol
[21:08:40] <cookieh> RareCola: i can has link?
[21:08:52] <@RareCola> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/night-...cidity-132655/
[21:08:57] <cookieh> danke
[21:09:13] <@Oreoboy1996> well before i came up with DDA I was trying to develop a technique centered around ways to improve your awareness as much as possible during the night where it counts the most
[21:09:41] <@RareCola> Ah that's interesting
[21:09:45] <@Oreoboy1996> but then i decided that the daydreaming thing made such a big difference that i just put my focus on that
[21:09:45] <frobthebuilder> how did that work for ya
[21:09:45] <@RareCola> a bit like dream yoga methods or?
[21:10:07] <@Oreoboy1996> not really sure about dream yoga
[21:10:15] <@Oreoboy1996> and i still never thought the whole thing through clearly
[21:10:53] <@RareCola> Ah right
[21:11:42] <frobthebuilder> fuck
[21:11:59] <@RareCola> hm?
[21:11:59] <frobthebuilder> if only I could have a technique that works all the time
[21:12:01] <frobthebuilder> oh wait
[21:12:02] <frobthebuilder> I do
[21:12:17] <@RareCola> Lol, what's that?
[21:12:23] <@Oreoboy1996> you have to actually bother to use your fancy technique frob
[21:12:29] <frobthebuilder> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/long-style-wbtb-132661/
[21:12:41] <frobthebuilder> yeah I hate that
[21:13:12] <@RareCola> I think WBTB length just depends on the person really
[21:13:19] <@Oreoboy1996> it does RareCola
[21:13:27] <@RareCola> some people have much more luck with 5 minute WBTBs, while others need to be awake for 90 minutes like yourself
[21:13:44] <@Oreoboy1996> just about any factor of just about any technique is different for everyone
[21:14:01] <frobthebuilder> Well
[21:14:04] <frobthebuilder> whatever
[21:14:08] <@RareCola> Yea, of course
[21:14:11] <frobthebuilder> it actually didn't work for me last night
[21:14:14] <cookieh> lol
[21:14:18] <frobthebuilder> cus I never turned on the lights
[21:14:26] <frobthebuilder> I think that may be important
[21:14:40] <@RareCola> Light affects a lot of things
[21:14:46] <frobthebuilder> yeah huh
[21:14:52] <@RareCola> I find if I subject myself to it too much during WBTB I can't get back to sleep though
[21:14:56] <@Oreoboy1996> like photosynthesis
[21:15:01] <@RareCola> Particularly artificial light
[21:15:22] <frobthebuilder> PHOTOSINTHESSIS
[21:16:30] Exotiraan|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as Exotiraan
[21:16:34] <@Oreoboy1996> hello Exotiraan
[21:16:37] <@RareCola> Welcome back, Exotiraan
[21:16:51] Exotiraan waves again.
[21:18:16] <@RareCola> Has anyone ever done something in a dream that blurs with reality? I have a friend who stole something from a shop in their dream the other night and since they've had a guilty feeling, as if they need to return the item
[21:18:31] <frobthebuilder> no.
[21:18:56] <frobthebuilder> my dreams are so separate from reality it's barely like they even happen
[21:19:02] <frobthebuilder> I hate it
[21:19:20] <@RareCola> Ah we were talking about this in the chat the other night
[21:19:27] <@RareCola> How some people have realistic dreams, while others more unrealistic
[21:20:13] <@RareCola> I tend to either have really whacky and wild dreams, or realistic but with such unrealistic elements
[21:20:21] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't think a dream has ever made me feel guilty
[21:20:37] <@Oreoboy1996> it has made me feel a bit depressed though before when I woke up from that 15 year dream
[21:20:38] <frobthebuilder> why the fuck did I have to fall on the latter side? I can tell when I'm lucid that everything seems perfectly real, but when I wake up, it's so faded and shit
[21:20:43] Exotiraan 's dreams almost always do the realistic thing.
[21:20:58] <@RareCola> Yea I didn't know what to recommend to them to help them with the guilt
[21:21:24] <@RareCola> frobthebuilder: Maybe it's just a matter of faded recall?
[21:21:33] <frobthebuilder> seems like it
[21:21:34] <Exotiraan> (With rendering bugs here and there.)
[21:21:38] <frobthebuilder> but i don't know what to do
[21:21:44] <frobthebuilder> EXOTRAAN WRONG ROOM
[21:21:47] <@RareCola> You could try out Ophelia's new technique for recall
[21:21:47] <frobthebuilder> GET OUT
[21:21:51] <frobthebuilder> which?
[21:21:54] <frobthebuilder> link me
[21:22:05] <@RareCola> let me find it, she posted it in someone's workbook I think
[21:22:12] <cookieh> she hasn't made a tutorial,
[21:22:12] <frobthebuilder> thxs
[21:22:16] <@Oreoboy1996> the one where you write down a few key words in the morning\
[21:22:47] <cookieh> http://www.dreamviews.com/f151/davet...9/#post1893321
[21:23:40] <@RareCola> Haha that's the one
[21:23:44] <@RareCola> couldn't remember which workbook
[21:23:48] <frobthebuilder> the problem isn't that I can't remember my dreams
[21:23:50] <frobthebuilder> I can
[21:23:57] <frobthebuilder> but they feel so distant
[21:24:12] <Exotiraan> cookieh (cc: opheliablue|Away): That should get stickied somewhere.
[21:24:29] <cookieh> waitwat
[21:25:04] <@RareCola> Hm I see, I have distant dreams sometimes but it's quite rare
[21:25:18] <frobthebuilder> It's the story of my life
[21:25:26] <frobthebuilder> some people tell me they seem real
[21:26:04] <@RareCola> Have you tried just laying in bed with your eyes closed going over and over the dream in your mind for a little while?
[21:26:12] <@RareCola> May help to bring it closer to your waking memory
[21:26:22] <frobthebuilder> think so?
[21:26:29] <frobthebuilder> I'll try ti
[21:26:30] <frobthebuilder> it
[21:27:01] <@RareCola> If you can get on the line between waking and sleep and recall your dream there, maybe it'll help bring it into your waking memory more
[21:27:36] <frobthebuilder> hmmmm
[21:27:37] <frobthebuilder> k
[21:29:24] <@RareCola> I feel like you today, Oreo
[21:29:31] <cookieh> lol
[21:29:33] <@RareCola> I keep recalling tiny bits of my dreams throughout the day
[21:29:42] <@Oreoboy1996> lol
[21:29:59] <@RareCola> It's quite annoying to keep remembering fragments
[21:30:32] <@RareCola> Just remembered a part in a dream last night where I was driving by some of those signposts that record your speed and I was doing well over the speed limit
[21:30:40] <@RareCola> Can't remember the dream it linked onto at all though
[21:32:14] <@Oreoboy1996> lalala
[21:32:53] <@Oreoboy1996> on the bright side
[21:32:55] <@RareCola> Haha quite dead tonight, eh?
[21:33:02] <@Oreoboy1996> this class is an easy one to teach
[21:33:03] <@RareCola> I'm gnna have to get heading off in about 10-15 minutes
[21:33:25] <@Oreoboy1996> i'll pretend there's still hope for the class and stay after you leave then
[21:33:38] <@RareCola> I guess it is Friday night
[21:33:54] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah i figured everyone is out
[21:33:58] <@Oreoboy1996> having a life...
[21:33:59] <@Oreoboy1996> >.>
[21:34:03] <cookieh>
[21:34:08] <@RareCola> Lucky for me there's not much life to have at 2:34am
[21:34:18] <cookieh> hehe
[21:34:24] <frobthebuilder> I can do sum teachin
[21:34:27] <@Oreoboy1996> 9:34pm here
[21:34:37] <frobthebuilder> allow me to fill your head wth KNOWLEDGE
[21:34:40] <cookieh> 4:35am here..
[21:34:46] <cookieh> NEVER!
[21:34:47] <@RareCola> Ouch
[21:34:52] <frobthebuilder> reckless radiation exposure might not associate with testicular cancer
[21:34:58] <frobthebuilder> explosive feces ingestion might not prevent ear tearing
[21:34:58] <@Oreoboy1996> corrupt knowledge is still knowledge i suppose
[21:35:05] <cookieh> lol
[21:35:07] <@Oreoboy1996> nevermind
[21:35:10] <frobthebuilder> obsessive cocaine inhalation may possibly associate with anal gain
[21:35:12] <@Oreoboy1996> this isn't knowledge
[21:35:15] <frobthebuilder> http://frobthebuilder.tk/science2/
[21:35:19] <frobthebuilder> SCIENCE
[21:35:39] <@RareCola> So.... did you do anything interesting in your lucids last night Oreo?
[21:36:00] <frobthebuilder> Super hero, Alexander Igneus XIV is the hairiest Anti-Matter Organism born in China
[21:36:03] <@Oreoboy1996> i was with paigey in one lucid and i taught her to transform into a dragon again
[21:36:10] <frobthebuilder> Local prostitute, Tenyse Delinsky the strange totally was the fattest Japanese woman who ever lived in Canada
[21:36:14] <@Oreoboy1996> and then i taught her more advanced elemental control
[21:36:21] <frobthebuilder> Queen Olivia Fredrickson the Silent totally was the first Potato Farmer to get humiliated in France
[21:36:27] <@Oreoboy1996> frobthebuilder: back on topic please
[21:36:30] <frobthebuilder> lul
[21:36:43] <@RareCola> ah I still need to do elemental control
[21:36:49] <cookieh> Oreoboy1996: you can kick D
[21:36:55] <@RareCola> Maybe I'll try that in my next lucid
[21:36:59] <@RareCola> when I finally break this dry spell
[21:37:14] <@Oreoboy1996> i have control over many elements
[21:37:26] <@Oreoboy1996> i can't even think of new elements to control anymore
[21:37:32] <@RareCola> What elements?
[21:38:31] <@Oreoboy1996> wind, fire, water, ice, lightning, earth, shadow, fear, poison, light, time, and healing
[21:38:51] <frobthebuilder> healing is not an element
[21:38:58] <@Oreoboy1996> it is in my world
[21:39:04] <cookieh> lol
[21:39:04] <frobthebuilder> fook u
[21:39:08] <@Oreoboy1996> couldn't think of a good name for it
[21:39:15] <@Oreoboy1996> but i use magic to heal wounds
[21:39:17] <@Oreoboy1996> magically...
[21:39:19] <@RareCola> Life I guess would be a better name
[21:39:26] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah probably
[21:39:30] <@Oreoboy1996> now that i think of it
[21:39:38] <@Oreoboy1996> i could probably master nature
[21:39:42] <@Oreoboy1996> similar to earth though
[21:39:44] <cookieh> magic snortsnort
[21:39:58] <@Oreoboy1996> i shall make trees beat the hell out of people
[21:40:07] <cookieh>
[21:40:10] <@RareCola> What about force manipulation? Like gravitational, magnetic, electrical, etc
[21:40:25] <@Oreoboy1996> never thought of that as an element
[21:40:38] <@Oreoboy1996> i have used levitation a couple times though
[21:42:10] <@RareCola> Anyway, I think I had best be off
[21:42:19] <@Oreoboy1996> bye RareCola
[21:42:33] <cookieh> bye
[21:42:45] <@RareCola> I'll be back in a little bit, maybe magically some more people will appear in this last 15 minutes for you to teach, Oreo
[21:42:54] <@Oreoboy1996> maybe
[21:43:03] <@RareCola> !away for 30 minutes or so
[21:43:04] RareCola [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola|Away
[21:43:59] <frobthebuilder> what an amazing class
[21:44:25] <@Oreoboy1996> i just realized i haven't used fury mode in a while
[21:44:31] <@Oreoboy1996> probably a good thing though
[21:47:25] Idionym [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[21:47:33] <Idionym> im here
[21:47:56] <Idionym> and no1 else is
[21:47:59] <Idionym> thats nice
[21:48:06] <frobthebuilder> yes it is
[21:48:14] <frobthebuilder> I can answer questions
[21:48:24] <@Oreoboy1996> hello Idionym
[21:48:24] <frobthebuilder> cus i am SMART that way
[21:48:28] <Idionym> heyyy
[21:48:29] <frobthebuilder> and I guess oreo is here too
[21:48:36] <Idionym> see i trust oreo
[21:48:37] <Idionym> not some stranger
[21:49:00] <@Oreoboy1996> Idionym: opheliablue isn't here tonight, so she asked me and rarecola to fill in
[21:49:05] <@Oreoboy1996> and rarecola just left
[21:49:06] Exotiraan is ready for a lucid.
[21:49:08] <@Oreoboy1996> so i'm all you got
[21:49:12] <Idionym> =D
[21:49:13] Exotiraan has his apple juice ready.
[21:49:15] <cookieh> lololol
[21:49:29] <frobthebuilder> >implying you don't have me too
[21:49:34] <frobthebuilder> oreo, tell him
[21:49:38] <Idionym> i just learned my friend was a natural lucid dreaming =/
[21:49:42] <frobthebuilder> I'm knowledgeable aren't I?
[21:49:42] <cookieh> <Idionym> see i trust oreo <Idionym> not some stranger
[21:49:46] <@Oreoboy1996> tell him what?
[21:49:46] <Idionym> dreamer*
[21:49:59] <Idionym> ya cookieh
[21:50:02] <Idionym> i agree
[21:50:05] <frobthebuilder> I do know my shit, do I not?
[21:50:10] <Idionym> i do too
[21:50:11] <@Oreoboy1996> you're fairly knowledgable i guess
[21:50:18] <Idionym> for the most part =P
[21:50:21] <cookieh> but he doesn't know you at all.
[21:50:30] <frobthebuilder> true.
[21:50:33] <Idionym> exactly
[21:50:41] <Idionym> !profile frobthebuilder
[21:50:41] <%iBot> View Profile: Frobthebuilder - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[21:50:51] <Idionym> wow
[21:50:53] <Idionym> hank
[21:51:27] <cookieh> stalk time
[21:51:30] <Idionym> lol 6 lucids?
[21:51:35] <Idionym> more then me =/
[21:51:45] <frobthebuilder> I've been here longer, actually
[21:51:49] <frobthebuilder> I lost my old account
[21:51:49] <Idionym> idc
[21:51:51] <@Oreoboy1996> *cough*329*cough*
[21:51:56] <cookieh> lool oreo
[21:51:56] <Idionym> lol oreo
[21:52:01] <@Oreoboy1996>
[21:52:05] Exotiraan should write a counter that updates that number based on how many entries in your DJ are marked 'lucid'.
[21:52:28] <@Oreoboy1996> Exotiraan: that wouldn't quite work if you have multiple lucids in one entry
[21:52:30] <frobthebuilder> I've had more than six
[21:52:35] <frobthebuilder> but as you may know
[21:52:39] <frobthebuilder> I don't always record them
[21:52:43] <Idionym> noob
[21:52:43] <frobthebuilder> or even keep track
[21:52:49] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[21:52:50] <frobthebuilder> ha
[21:52:50] <frobthebuilder> ha
[21:52:51] <frobthebuilder> ah
[21:52:51] <Idionym> =P
[21:52:58] <@Oreoboy1996> lol newb called you a noob
[21:53:00] <frobthebuilder> that stuff is completely optional, you know
[21:53:08] <Idionym> im not newb
[21:53:11] <Idionym> i know my shit
[21:53:16] <Idionym> it just takes time for me
[21:53:19] <@Oreoboy1996> !joindate Idionym
[21:53:20] <%iBot> Idionym (idionym) joined Dreamviews on Feb 16, 2012.
[21:53:31] <@Oreoboy1996> okay you're not a newb anymore
[21:53:32] <Idionym> SHUT UP IBOT
[21:54:12] <Idionym> ugh
[21:54:17] <Idionym> i want a lucid =/
[21:54:18] <Idionym> lol
[21:54:27] <@Oreoboy1996> i want one too
[21:54:36] <Idionym> uv had 326
[21:54:42] <@Oreoboy1996> 329*
[21:54:50] <Idionym> donate 3 to me =P
[21:55:02] <@Oreoboy1996> i want to have 500 in a year
[21:55:13] <Idionym> i want 365 a year
[21:55:16] <Idionym> or even 200
[21:55:17] <@Oreoboy1996> so far i've had 231 this year
[21:55:44] <@Oreoboy1996> and after i complete that goal i will work to master WILD
[21:55:58] <@Oreoboy1996> and if i can do that, then i'll finally call myself a master lucid dreamer
[21:56:02] <Idionym> i want to be adept at wild =/
[21:56:19] <frobthebuilder> WILD is cool, but it's not really a necessity
[21:56:23] <frobthebuilder> the problem with it
[21:56:27] <Idionym> its to hard
[21:56:29] <frobthebuilder> is that people don't have the right mindset
[21:56:30] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't care much for WILD, but I want to master it just to say i know the ins and outs of it
[21:56:32] <Idionym> i suck at it
[21:56:35] <frobthebuilder> it's not HARD per se
[21:56:39] <frobthebuilder> it's just
[21:56:40] <frobthebuilder> errrr
[21:56:49] <Idionym> its hard for me
[21:56:56] Exotiraan 's first lucid was WILD.
[21:57:00] <Idionym> im impateint and its hard for me to clear my mind
[21:57:03] <frobthebuilder> it's kind of difficult to see it for what it truly is
[21:57:12] <@Oreoboy1996> i think the problem is people look at the WILD tutorials as set rules, when they're really more opinions and general guidelines
[21:57:27] <@Oreoboy1996> the key to WILD is to learn it for yourself and personalize it i think
[21:57:45] <Idionym> but how do u go about doing that
[21:57:46] <Idionym> lol
[21:57:46] <Exotiraan> I used this: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/how-wild-62282/
[21:57:46] <@Oreoboy1996> trial and error and experimentation
[21:58:12] <Idionym> sexy ass billybob
[21:58:12] <frobthebuilder> it's falling asleep, but you gotta kick yourself at just the right moment down the line
[21:58:15] <Idionym> hes so sexy
[21:58:18] <frobthebuilder> I hate that guy
[21:58:21] <frobthebuilder> really
[21:58:26] <Idionym> lol why
[21:58:31] <frobthebuilder> he makes lucid dreaming seem harder than it should
[21:58:45] <Idionym> its is hard =(
[21:58:49] <frobthebuilder> no
[21:58:50] <@Oreoboy1996> didn't you hate me for making it seem easy? lol
[21:58:51] <frobthebuilder> it's not
[21:59:03] <frobthebuilder> I hate everyone, alright?
[21:59:06] <Idionym> i havent had 1 in like 4 months
[21:59:08] <frobthebuilder> aaanyway
[21:59:08] <@Oreoboy1996> okay >.>
[22:01:08] <Idionym> u havent compled me to belive its not hard
[22:01:31] <frobthebuilder> Well, I can do it
[22:01:34] <frobthebuilder> sort of
[22:01:40] <frobthebuilder> not with consistency
[22:01:41] <Idionym> we not the same
[22:02:02] <frobthebuilder> Some people say it's a matter of believing you can do it
[22:02:18] <frobthebuilder> So thinking it's hard won't do you any favors
[22:02:21] <Idionym> i think i can
[22:02:25] <Idionym> its just hard
[22:02:25] <Idionym> lol
[22:03:05] <Idionym> atm atleast
[22:03:12] <Idionym> although im working on recall
[22:03:23] <Idionym> so im not actually trying to lucid atm
[22:03:53] <frobthebuilder> I actually kind of need work on that still
[22:03:56] <frobthebuilder> hah
[22:04:40] <Idionym> noob
[22:04:45] <Idionym> =P
[22:04:56] <frobthebuilder> not really
[22:04:59] <Idionym> lol
[22:04:59] <Idionym> ik
[22:06:03] <Idionym> i <3
[22:06:14] <Idionym> hm
[22:06:20] <Idionym> i wanna stalk cookieh now
[22:06:31] <cookieh> what
[22:06:32] <Idionym> !profile cookieh
[22:06:32] <%iBot> View Profile: Cookieh - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[22:06:33] <@Oreoboy1996>
[22:06:35] <cookieh> the
[22:06:36] <cookieh> hell
[22:06:43] <@Oreoboy1996> class ended 6 minutes ago so i might as well log it

^^ Thanks RareCola and OreoBoy

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Monday, June 11, 2012 12noon chat time

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[12:01:31] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +h Caenis
[12:01:34] <%Caenis> Hello Ophelia.
[12:01:37] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +h RareCola
[12:01:41] <@OpheliaBlue> hey guys
[12:03:00] <@OpheliaBlue> not many folks today
[12:03:03] <JoeyBelgier|Away> HI
[12:03:06] <%RareCola> hey Ophelia
[12:03:11] <JoeyBelgier|Away> They late?
[12:03:17] cookieh yawn
[12:03:18] <cookieh> s
[12:03:22] <@OpheliaBlue> late or forgot or just don't wanna
[12:03:35] <%RareCola> I'd go for forgot
[12:03:43] <cookieh> less people every time >.>
[12:03:45] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Well ya, I was in here but if Cookieh wouldnt have told me
[12:03:48] <%Idontlikeyou1996> i liked it when we had 20 people lol
[12:03:52] <JoeyBelgier|Away> .. Xd
[12:03:59] <@OpheliaBlue> I had a really brief lucid last night, but it was cool because I realized I was dreaming when I saw a tornado
[12:04:05] <@OpheliaBlue> and I've never seen one irl
[12:04:10] <cookieh> o__o
[12:04:15] <%RareCola> Tornado? That sounds fun
[12:04:16] <%Caenis> This is a good class size. It's always big right when a class starts or when it ends.
[12:04:29] <Merro> Back
[12:04:38] <%RareCola> I've been quite proud of myself these last few days, been breaking my dry spell in a big way.
[12:04:46] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, I was in Kansas with Matte87 lol
[12:04:46] <%RareCola> Got some really awesome dreams
[12:04:47] <cookieh> there is like 3 students to teach xD
[12:04:54] <%Caenis> OpheliaBlue: You should have acted out Wizard of Oz. =p
[12:04:56] <cookieh> and i don't even have questions
[12:04:57] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that's good RareCola
[12:05:04] <JoeyBelgier|Away> I have dreamed lots of stuffs last night, didnt have time to record anything and neither do I remember now
[12:05:12] <%RareCola> Just need to break my lucid dry spell, it's been 13 days since my last
[12:05:17] <%Idontlikeyou1996> i think the last time i saw a tornado in a dream I learned the wind element and used it to control the tornado
[12:05:21] <Merro> So how is everyone?
[12:05:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis: haha.. it was a tiny pathetic tornado, attached to its own tiny dark cloud.. and I was like, nuh uh.
[12:05:32] <%Caenis> That's a shame, JoeyBelgier|Away. But at least your recall is pretty good!
[12:05:34] <JoeyBelgier|Away> I do recall talking to Germans though, in France o.o
[12:05:35] <@OpheliaBlue> hey ,merro, good
[12:05:58] <%Idontlikeyou1996> i had 4 lucids last night i think
[12:06:00] <JoeyBelgier|Away> France/French seems to be a DS, for months already.
[12:06:09] <%Idontlikeyou1996> but i'm having a bit of trouble putting the fragments together
[12:06:19] <Merro> I had a dream a couple of days ago if I remember. I was hiking with some friends and I saw some lava on the ground and they were walking on it like they didn't care.
[12:06:26] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Caensis, usually not, only fragments.
[12:06:43] <@OpheliaBlue> that's crazy merro
[12:06:48] <Merro> Yeah
[12:06:56] <%RareCola> Lol lava walking ftw
[12:07:00] <Merro> I got dragged pretty deep into the dream too.
[12:07:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I also had some intense WILD vibrations the other night, but they would never melt into a dream
[12:07:06] <%Idontlikeyou1996> i can walk on lava if i create a patch of ice where i step...
[12:07:11] <%Caenis> Last night at least shows you're improving, right? You just need to jot down your dreams when you wake up.
[12:07:23] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Hrm
[12:07:35] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Well, I'm kinda in my exams now
[12:07:39] <Merro> But seriously, the collision was pretty messed up, they were just walking past through the lava like it was nothing. Kinda strange.
[12:07:49] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Also, recall was very good half a year ago
[12:07:59] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Now it's just now and then
[12:08:08] <%Idontlikeyou1996> Merro: should have reality checked
[12:08:27] <Merro> I couldnt sadly. I kept waking up with dizzy spells. :/
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[12:08:39] <Lunatide> Ladies
[12:08:44] <%RareCola> elo Luna
[12:08:48] <Lunatide> Hulla
[12:08:51] <JoeyBelgier|Away> If one is in SP, does he/she still hear actual surroundings? Only SP'd once.
[12:09:01] <@OpheliaBlue> hey luna
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[12:09:15] <@OpheliaBlue> wb oreo
[12:09:31] <%Oreoboy1996> thanks
[12:09:31] <%Caenis> I believe you can, JoeyBelgier|Away. That's why an anchor, like music, can be helpful.
[12:09:50] <JoeyBelgier|Away> And would that also recur in the dream?
[12:09:56] <Lunatide> When I tried to SP I couldn't move for a while, but I didn't reach SP
[12:10:00] <%Caenis> As always, depends on the person. If you hear buzzing while you SP, then perhaps you wouldn't be able to hear some background noise.
[12:10:01] <Lunatide> O_o
[12:11:13] <Merro> I felt like I was in SP when I woke up, Was kind of dizzy this morning, I dont know if I was in a dream or not but It kind of felt like I was, I kept licking my lips to see if I was awake or not, idk why though, so it was weird.
[12:11:16] <@OpheliaBlue> so I haven't read anyone's workbooks or jounrals yet today, anyone else have anything interesting to report?
[12:11:34] <%Oreoboy1996> i learned a new power i think
[12:11:37] <Lunatide> I was almost raped by the moon before
[12:11:39] <JoeyBelgier|Away> Hrm, I'd like to try to learn this way: LD whilst listening to a loop of a lesson.
[12:11:56] <JoeyBelgier|Away> To recreate the lesson in my dream
[12:11:56] <@OpheliaBlue> lol Lunatide what really?
[12:12:03] <%Oreoboy1996> crap i just forgot it
[12:12:09] <Lunatide> In a dream I had the other day
[12:12:22] <Lunatide> it turned into a rainbow transformer and chased me
[12:12:26] <cookieh> o__o
[12:12:28] <%Oreoboy1996> nvm remembered again
[12:12:28] <Lunatide> Pretty magical actually
[12:12:28] <%RareCola> I need to get a new dream journal soon if that's something interesting to report. A month of dreams apparently almost fills up a 200 page journal :l
[12:12:41] <cookieh> o__O
[12:12:54] <Merro> Hey guys I have a question.
[12:13:06] <%Oreoboy1996> then ask it
[12:13:06] <Lunatide> TELL US MERRO
[12:13:09] <Lunatide> )
[12:13:11] <Lunatide> *
[12:13:11] <Merro> lol
[12:13:20] <Lunatide> Missed the : button >.>
[12:13:28] <@OpheliaBlue> ask away merro
[12:13:39] <Merro> How can you make your dreams more positive?
[12:13:46] <Merro> I've been having pretty negative dreams lately.
[12:13:48] <%Oreoboy1996> by thinking positively
[12:14:06] <%RareCola> Have you been having negative stuff happen in your waking life? Or even just stress?
[12:14:06] <%Oreoboy1996> and if that doesn't work, then go lucid and force it to be positive >.>
[12:14:21] <%Caenis> Merro: I've found that reading something before I go to bed influences what I dream about. You could try reading something cheerful.
[12:14:25] <Merro> I think its a mixture of both RC.
[12:14:54] <%RareCola> I found in a lot of cases the most prominent part of my day makes its way into my dreams somehow, negativity and stress will definitely influence your dreams
[12:15:08] <%RareCola> The best way to combat that would be to fill your mind with other stuff before bed, making it more prominent
[12:15:20] <@OpheliaBlue> agreed
[12:15:36] <%Oreoboy1996> Caenis: dream incubation
[12:15:43] <%Caenis> Yes, pretty much.
[12:15:46] <@OpheliaBlue> do matter how upset I am in the day, I have a sort of go-to happy place that I try to incubate before bed
[12:16:00] <@OpheliaBlue> yesss, happy dream incubation
[12:16:10] <Merro> There should be a thread about that.
[12:16:25] <%RareCola> I made a guide on night-time routine the other day
[12:16:26] <%Oreoboy1996> http://www.dreamviews.com/f45/dream-...torial-130133/
[12:16:30] <%RareCola> and oreo has his^
[12:17:18] <Merro> Also procastration isnt helping me either...
[12:17:26] <%Caenis> Merro: You could make your own positive incubation thread if you want. Not sure if there's any thread targeting happy dreams specifically.
[12:17:42] <Merro> Oh.
[12:17:51] <%RareCola> Who would incubate unhappy dreams?
[12:18:13] <@OpheliaBlue> speaking of incubation, is pretty much everyone in here doing that? or oreo's DDA? or some variation?
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[12:19:01] <%Caenis> RareCola: Good point. But I don't usually try incubating happy dreams either. Just dreams. I don't experience much emotion in my dreams.
[12:19:08] <%RareCola> I've actually been taking a break from incubation these last 2 days and just focusing on getting my recall back after my dry spell
[12:19:09] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Morten
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[12:19:19] <@OpheliaBlue> hey morten!
[12:19:28] <%RareCola> Ah you should, Caenis. Incubating emotion is one of the strongest tools
[12:19:35] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't really think of an emotion when i incubate
[12:19:38] <%Oreoboy1996> haven't tried that
[12:19:41] <Morten> Hey.
[12:19:58] <@OpheliaBlue> that's more for older people Oreoboy1996
[12:19:59] <%RareCola> Incubating senses is great, but if you can get an emotion in there, a genuine emotion, that's very powerful
[12:19:59] <@OpheliaBlue> kiddin
[12:20:08] <@OpheliaBlue> I incubate emotions ALOT
[12:20:15] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:20:15] <@OpheliaBlue> but if I overdo it, I can't sleep
[12:20:39] <@OpheliaBlue> turns into a damn soapopera in my head.. I need to focus more on the physical senses
[12:20:39] <%Caenis> I guess I'll have to try that. The results could be interesting.
[12:20:42] <Merro> My dreams are pretty fucked up I can't tell what the hell I'm doing in them. I wake up feeling like crap every morning.
[12:21:05] <@OpheliaBlue> that's because your life is so stressful and you're working them out in your dreams
[12:21:09] <Lunatide> Have you ever had sex with a family memeber
[12:21:11] <%RareCola> My dreams are just generally crazy and completely mad lately
[12:21:14] <Lunatide> in a dream ofcourse
[12:21:16] <Lunatide> >.>
[12:21:19] <@OpheliaBlue> try a positive incubation before bed, something maybe that had YOU in more control of your life
[12:21:35] <Merro> Oh.
[12:21:38] <@OpheliaBlue> Lunatide: yes, unfortunately.. I think Freud has an explanation for it
[12:21:42] <%Oreoboy1996> yes, but no one talks about it >.>
[12:21:48] <@OpheliaBlue> it happens, don't feel bad about it
[12:21:59] <%RareCola> Can't say I've had sex with a family member yet, luckily
[12:22:02] <Lunatide> It's annoying
[12:22:06] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it's super icky
[12:22:13] <Lunatide> ]I had sex with my grandma
[12:22:15] <Lunatide> who is fat
[12:22:17] <cookieh> o__o
[12:22:18] <Lunatide> ;___;
[12:22:20] <%RareCola> In fact, I think I've only ever had a couple of sex dreams
[12:22:28] <%Caenis> How did you feel in the dream, Lunatide?
[12:22:33] <Lunatide> Scared
[12:22:38] <Lunatide> Horrified
[12:22:39] <%Oreoboy1996> lol
[12:22:42] <cookieh> rapist granny
[12:22:46] <@OpheliaBlue> hahahahaa
[12:22:50] <Lunatide> I also had sex with the floor in 3 different dreams
[12:22:53] <@OpheliaBlue> oh my god cookieh tell me you're kidding
[12:22:58] <cookieh> you'll never think the same of your grandma ever again
[12:23:02] <cookieh> what lol i am
[12:23:04] <%RareCola> LOL
[12:23:08] <Lunatide> She is pretty scary infact
[12:23:15] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:23:16] <Merro> Im mostly scared of my dreams now. When I lucid I'm afraid to find out who I actually am. Or how I will act in a lucid.
[12:23:25] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I blame luna for that SUBJECT CHANGE
[12:23:31] <cookieh> yes
[12:23:40] <%Oreoboy1996> yup
[12:23:58] <%RareCola> Merro: You need to stop being scared, it's just going to hinder you
[12:24:07] <Merro> Yeah.
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[12:24:10] <Lunatide> OpheliaBlue: sorry >.>
[12:24:13] <Lunatide> hey Appe96
[12:24:20] <Appe96> Hi! sorry im late
[12:24:27] <%Caenis> Why are you afraid, Merro? You don't seem like a serial killer. :p
[12:24:30] <Lunatide> Get out of my classroom Appe96
[12:24:42] <Appe96> sadface
[12:24:43] <cookieh> happy birthday Appe96
[12:24:47] <Appe96> thx
[12:24:52] <Lunatide> happy birthday DDDDD
[12:24:55] <Lunatide> Now leave.
[12:24:57] <Lunatide> (joke)
[12:24:58] <Appe96> xD
[12:24:58] <%Caenis> I think most people who LD act generally the same in their dreams. Maybe they act a little dumber and make less logical decisions, but that's it.
[12:24:59] <Merro> lol
[12:25:01] cookieh slaps Lunatide
[12:25:02] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Appe96
[12:25:08] <Appe96> hi oreo
[12:25:12] <Lunatide> I don't have any questions
[12:25:16] <Lunatide> so I'm lurking
[12:25:17] <@OpheliaBlue> Happy Birthday Appe96!!!!
[12:25:22] <Appe96> thx
[12:25:23] <Merro> Makes sense Caenis.
[12:25:28] <%Caenis> Hello and happy birthday, Appe96.
[12:25:37] <Appe96> thx
[12:25:40] Lunatide maybe leaving
[12:25:42] <@OpheliaBlue> congrats on your lucid the other day Appe96
[12:25:50] <Appe96> well thx again
[12:26:04] <%Oreoboy1996> happy birthday Appe96
[12:26:10] <Appe96> thx
[12:26:16] <Lunatide> bai guys
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[12:26:28] <Appe96> yay
[12:26:28] <@OpheliaBlue> oh did he get his feelings hurt again
[12:26:32] <@OpheliaBlue> so sensitive
[12:26:35] <cookieh> not really
[12:26:36] <%RareCola> haha
[12:26:37] <%RareCola> poor luna
[12:26:42] <cookieh> he had no questions
[12:27:38] <@OpheliaBlue> looks like I'm going to have another loooong weekend this weekend again. I was just getting used to 2, 10 hour shifts, now I have 2, 15 hour shifts
[12:27:51] <%RareCola> jeez
[12:27:52] <cookieh> awh :[
[12:28:10] <@OpheliaBlue> I'mm tellign y'all this because it's hard for me to catch up on stuff, but especially THANK YOU to RareCola and Caenis for answering workbooks
[12:28:21] <%RareCola> I was working up until 4:30am the other night. Was proud of myself for still remembering my dreams
[12:28:27] <@OpheliaBlue> don't want anyone to think I'm disappearing o nthe weekends
[12:28:38] <%RareCola> We all understand you have a life too
[12:28:41] <@OpheliaBlue> 4:30? dang
[12:28:47] <%Caenis> Jeez Ophelia. o.O Good luck managing the extra hours.
[12:29:07] <Appe96> no sleep his weekend huh? o.O
[12:29:11] <Appe96> *this
[12:29:15] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks.. Danny is going to have 20 hours overtime this week
[12:29:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Don't grow up to become workaholics kids, bad for recall
[12:29:48] <%Caenis> Yes Mommy Ophelia.
[12:30:05] <@OpheliaBlue>
[12:30:06] <%Oreoboy1996> okay, i'll just lay in bed all day
[12:30:24] <@OpheliaBlue> well there may be a middle ground i nthere somewhere oreo
[12:30:25] <%RareCola> Haha, I'm a terrible workaholic
[12:30:36] <Merro> OpheliaBlue, I've also been meditating as well.
[12:30:48] <Appe96> yay im stil in school :S
[12:30:48] <@OpheliaBlue> that's good
[12:30:55] <%RareCola> Meditation is great
[12:31:06] <@OpheliaBlue> anyone else ever meditate? I've never really done that
[12:31:06] <Merro> Helps me be more focused when im done.
[12:31:09] <%Caenis> How long have you been doing it for, Merro? Find any difference in dreams?
[12:31:15] <%Oreoboy1996> i think my lucid dreaming ability has more than doubled since summer break
[12:31:26] <Appe96> yes I have tried it out, but i'm bad at it
[12:31:29] <Merro> I find it to help me have more vivid dreams but thats it.
[12:31:41] <Merro> I noticed a difference after I meditate.
[12:31:48] <cookieh> i've done it a few times
[12:31:57] <cookieh> kinda nice
[12:32:03] <Merro> I've also read that meditatiing can help with lucid dreams.
[12:32:10] <@OpheliaBlue> how do you go about it exactly?? I mean, what's the difference between meditating and incubating a dream?
[12:32:17] <%RareCola> I don't really traditionally meditate, mainly do dream yoga meditation methods
[12:32:20] <@OpheliaBlue> one empties the head, the other fills it?
[12:32:31] <Appe96> kind of
[12:32:35] <%Caenis> I've read so too, Merro. What time in the day do you do it? Before bed?
[12:32:43] <Appe96> you don't analyze thoughts when ediitating
[12:32:50] <Merro> I usually do it before bed when its quiet.
[12:33:07] <%RareCola> I wouldn't say necessarily emptying the head, more... controlling it
[12:33:12] <Merro> I do it for 30 mintues I think.
[12:33:13] <%Oreoboy1996> well actually
[12:33:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I find if I empty my mind of thoughts, other thoughts take its place, like a vaccuum
[12:33:16] <%RareCola> Ofc depends on the type of meditation
[12:33:18] <%Oreoboy1996> you can meditate on an incubation
[12:33:22] <@OpheliaBlue> never figured out how to conquer that
[12:33:41] <Appe96> you don't actually empty your head
[12:33:43] <Appe96> that
[12:33:51] <Appe96> s kind of inpossible
[12:33:55] <@OpheliaBlue> haha yeah I know!
[12:33:59] <%RareCola> It's not impossible, but it's very very hard
[12:34:02] <@OpheliaBlue> so what do yuo replace thought with
[12:34:04] <%RareCola> which is why I aim for more controlling my thoughts
[12:34:05] <%Oreoboy1996> there's meditation for making your brain go dead and meditation made to help you focus on something
[12:34:23] <%Caenis> I've seen a video from someone on lucidpedia, and he meditated by just being aware of all of his thoughts and distractions. I thought that was really interesting.
[12:34:29] <%RareCola> Have you read Sivason's Dream Yoga lessons at all, Lisa?
[12:34:32] <@OpheliaBlue> oh like focusing on a particular thing, and silencing the rest Oreoboy1996?
[12:34:33] <Appe96> you don't think of anything special, just let the thoughts flow and don't take a notice of the,
[12:34:40] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I have not
[12:34:41] <%Oreoboy1996> pretty much OpheliaBlue
[12:34:44] <Appe96> *them
[12:34:45] <@OpheliaBlue> but I will now!
[12:35:14] <Appe96> gotta go sry
[12:35:16] <%RareCola> Well, I basically do his sensory overload, there becomes a point where you're filling your senses so much that it's not possible to think of anything else
[12:35:16] <@OpheliaBlue> like, watching the thoughts go by, but keep a distance from them?
[12:35:21] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya Appe96
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[12:36:50] <Idionym> hi
[12:36:54] <%RareCola> hey Idionym
[12:36:55] <Idionym> sorry im late
[12:36:57] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I'll have to read Sivason's class then
[12:36:58] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Idionym
[12:37:13] <%Oreoboy1996> hello Idionym
[12:37:19] <@OpheliaBlue> I remember trying to learn meditation in the past when I had bad insomnia.. no success
[12:37:47] <@OpheliaBlue> my mind always fills with stressful crap and I indulge it all.. like "This is my chance to think abotu this shit and resolve it"
[12:38:00] <%RareCola> Yea I had that problem for a while
[12:38:02] <@OpheliaBlue> and it would just keep me awake
[12:38:03] <%RareCola> it just takes practice to get over it
[12:38:24] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, practice is probably alot better than wine!
[12:38:25] <@OpheliaBlue>
[12:38:43] <%RareCola> Haha definitely
[12:39:35] <%RareCola> I need to start taking naps again actually
[12:39:44] <%RareCola> I've been so busy lately I haven't been able to
[12:40:14] <@OpheliaBlue> so you sleep in usually RareCola?
[12:40:24] <@OpheliaBlue> or you stay up late and still have to get up early?
[12:40:48] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Idionym any experiences with meditation before bed?
[12:40:54] <Idionym> no\
[12:41:02] <%RareCola> Nah, I never really have a required time to get up so I just get up when I'm ready, which is usually about 7-8 hours
[12:41:03] <Idionym> i have to much anxiety to do it
[12:41:17] <%Oreoboy1996> i sleep for like 9
[12:41:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I think that's the point of it, helps to relieve anxiety
[12:41:36] <%Caenis> Yeah, meditation can be good for anxiety.
[12:41:37] <@OpheliaBlue> 10 hours here, sometimes 11 or 12
[12:41:44] <%RareCola> Haha
[12:41:46] <@OpheliaBlue> except on work nights obviously
[12:41:48] <%RareCola> I can never sleep more than 8 really
[12:41:53] <%RareCola> I'm just too awake
[12:42:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I couldn't when i was younger.. actually, pre Chris days
[12:42:08] <%RareCola> I used to like taking naps though because my hypnagogic imagery was so vivid
[12:42:12] <@OpheliaBlue> after Chris, it's like 10-12 lol
[12:42:22] <%RareCola> Makes sense
[12:42:37] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: agreed! I took a late nap the other day, and that's when I had some crazy HI and those weird vibrations
[12:43:10] <@OpheliaBlue> but it was like 8:30 at night after work, may have been the wrong time to dream.. btu I had some nutta FAs a little while later
[12:43:22] <@OpheliaBlue> nutty*
[12:43:31] <%RareCola> I've still not experienced vibrations
[12:43:32] <%Caenis> So Idionym, how's your recall? Has the quote from EWOLD that Rarecola put in your workbook helped your awareness?
[12:43:39] <@OpheliaBlue> I thought someone had come over from work, and delivered a hamster in a bird cage
[12:43:52] <@OpheliaBlue> I still believed it had happened after I woke up
[12:43:59] <Idionym> well my recallls getting better
[12:44:17] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that was a great quote by the way, thanks for posting that RareCola
[12:44:18] <%RareCola> I keep having that hypnapompic imagery though
[12:44:20] <%RareCola> It's really quite annoying
[12:44:25] <%RareCola> &Yea I figured it would help
[12:44:37] <@OpheliaBlue> so what do you see, what's annoying about it?
[12:44:46] <Idionym> i havent done the EWOLD thing yet
[12:45:28] <%RareCola> Usually just about writing in my dream journal
[12:45:45] <%RareCola> It's not so much more of a problem now because I'm remembering my dreams after it anyway, kind of realising when it's happening
[12:45:59] <%RareCola> But it's frustrating to think I've wrote in my dream journal when I haven't yet
[12:46:02] <%Caenis> Did you find it a helpful read at least Idionym? Do you think you'll try it once your classes are over? You're still in school, right?
[12:46:16] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeah that is annoying
[12:46:19] <Idionym> ya i will try it but schools over
[12:46:32] <Idionym> since last Wensday
[12:46:47] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: do you ever find that those HI's ever become a full blown FA?
[12:47:15] <%Caenis> Oh okay, that's cool.
[12:47:26] <%RareCola> Nah, I've either just fallen back asleep normally or woken up and wrote my dream down again, the latter being more common at the moment
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[12:47:41] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Kiara
[12:47:42] <%Oreoboy1996> i've had that once OpheliaBlue
[12:47:45] <Kiara> hi
[12:47:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: yeah? what happened?
[12:47:55] <%Caenis> Hello Kiara, welcome to the intro class chat session.
[12:48:00] <%Oreoboy1996> i almost made a WILD out of it but i lost awareness when i was sucked into the daydream
[12:48:14] <Kiara> I'm new i here.
[12:48:18] <%RareCola> Idionym: I'd say just try incorporating the awareness thing into your day more and more, bit by bit. You have no idea how important awareness can be
[12:48:19] <%Oreoboy1996> actually i think i lost awareness because i was distracted with my cat attacking me in the dream >>>
[12:48:23] <Kiara> what's this classe about?
[12:48:30] <Idionym> ok
[12:48:54] <%Oreoboy1996> this class is about the basics of lucid dreaming, helping others to have lucid dreams, and sharing experiences i guess
[12:49:19] <Kiara> ok Oreo
[12:49:22] <Merro> I agree with Oreoboy.
[12:49:59] <@OpheliaBlue> Kiara: it's an introduction class, so any topics about lucid dreaming, including your own personal take on it, are welcome
[12:50:17] <@OpheliaBlue> also what Oreoboy1996 said
[12:50:24] <Kiara> ok thanks Ophelia
[12:51:26] <@OpheliaBlue> so any luck with lucid dreams Kiara?
[12:51:42] <Kiara> some
[12:52:03] <%Caenis> Aren't you the one with some experience in shared dreaming? Or am I confusing you for someone else?
[12:52:22] <Kiara> yes, Kind of
[12:52:35] <Kiara> I was in some experiments some time ago
[12:52:43] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't think it worked when she tried doing it to me -_-
[12:53:05] <@OpheliaBlue> I did a shared dreaming experiment with a friend of mine about 8 years ago
[12:53:15] <@OpheliaBlue> I think we just psyched ourselves out that it worked lol
[12:53:18] <Kiara> I told them to wana in another chat and it was him that introduced me to this chat and forum
[12:53:23] <@OpheliaBlue> kinda like a ouiji board
[12:53:31] <%RareCola> I don't really believe in shared dreaming
[12:53:37] <cookieh> Oreoboy1996: who was that girl in here a few chat sessions ago, who sd'd with her friends all the time?
[12:53:45] <cookieh> sighingplant was here as well
[12:53:47] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah me neither.. it was fun almost pretending that we could do it
[12:53:52] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't remember cookieh
[12:53:53] <Kiara> you could participate in this experiment
[12:54:01] <cookieh> to the logs!
[12:54:06] cookieh hums the batman theme song
[12:54:13] <%Oreoboy1996>
[12:54:20] <@OpheliaBlue> lol cookieh whu?
[12:54:30] <Kiara> http://www.dreamviews.com/f144/iosdp...riment-132656/
[12:54:35] <@OpheliaBlue> oh haha happy searching
[12:55:02] <Kiara> don't you believe minds can connect?
[12:55:22] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway this class isn't really about that, more just straight up individual lucid dreaming
[12:55:28] <Kiara> ok
[12:55:38] <@OpheliaBlue> the shared dreams are moe for the extended discussion areas
[12:55:38] <%RareCola> I believe minds can connect, just not share dreams
[12:55:39] <cookieh> pixiedreamer
[12:55:41] <cookieh> was the one
[12:55:47] <%RareCola> But yes, this is an intro class
[12:55:52] <cookieh> that told us she shared dreams with her friends
[12:56:00] <%Oreoboy1996> oh yeah
[12:56:02] <cookieh> and her friends later tell her how she made them feel better
[12:56:05] <@OpheliaBlue> oh ok, yeah I remember pixiedreamer
[12:56:15] <@OpheliaBlue> awww
[12:56:30] <Kiara> can I give the links to the experiments I participated in past
[12:56:36] <Kiara> is that ok?
[12:56:41] <Kiara> in this chat?
[12:56:53] <Kiara> you can see for yourselfs
[12:56:54] <%Caenis> Aren't the links in the DV thread you linked us to also?
[12:57:05] <Kiara> yes
[12:57:17] <%RareCola> Just over 2 weeks of June left, wonder if I can complete my lucid dreaming goals for this month :l
[12:57:18] <%Oreoboy1996> then you already did O_O
[12:57:23] <Kiara> they are also here
[12:57:24] <%Caenis> I think we'll be fine for now. Our session is almost ending, so we need to wrap up.
[12:57:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah this class is almost over for today, so let's keep the last questions Intro-based please
[12:57:38] <Kiara> http://www.dreamviews.com/f144/do-yo...m-game-132438/
[12:58:04] <%Oreoboy1996> i can't think of any questions
[12:58:35] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah me neither, all i can think about is how my caffeine has just kicked in
[12:58:41] <cookieh> lol
[12:59:06] <%Caenis> Well, since we have a few ladies in the class, I have an awkward question for you all if you don't object.
[12:59:11] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'll go ahead and leave this open as usual for any last minute whatevers
[12:59:21] <@OpheliaBlue> go for it Caenis!
[12:59:22] <%Oreoboy1996>
[12:59:29] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: earmuffs.
[12:59:37] Oreoboy1996 covers his eyes
[12:59:42] <%Oreoboy1996> that works better
[12:59:47] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[12:59:51] RareCola sets this chat to 18+
[12:59:55] <%RareCola> Lmao
[12:59:58] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:59:58] <cookieh> -___-
[13:00:07] <@OpheliaBlue> ok hurry Cawnis, I'm prairie doggin here
[13:00:07] <%Caenis> I read a while ago that some ladies find that their lady cycles have a bit of an effect on their LDs. Just wondering if that's true or not.
[13:00:22] <%Oreoboy1996> lady cycles?
[13:00:25] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, hormones do in general
[13:00:34] <%Caenis> Menstruation, if you'd prefer.
[13:00:39] <Kiara> menstruation
[13:00:45] <@OpheliaBlue> monthly bill
[13:00:49] <Kiara> and no
[13:00:49] <%RareCola> It wouldn't surprise me, considering how much sex and masturbation can affect your dreams and lucid dreams.
[13:00:50] <%Oreoboy1996> oh i'm sure that it would have an affect due to the hormonal changes
[13:00:58] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah, in part because our emotions are affected
[13:01:04] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't know the exact science of it though
[13:01:10] <Merro> Mind if I ask something?
[13:01:13] <@OpheliaBlue> and the discomfort affects our sleep cycles
[13:01:14] <cookieh> no
[13:01:15] <%Caenis> Interesting.
[13:01:18] <cookieh> why would we mind
[13:01:18] <%Caenis> Go for it, Merro!
[13:01:24] <Merro> Was wondering if anyone had any trouble with this.
[13:01:29] <@OpheliaBlue> but hormones probably affect it the most, and I notice an increase in vividness
[13:01:33] <Kiara> considering man are always in eat... imagine the efects on them
[13:01:39] <Merro> I read some where that if you had an LD you can walk into an invisible wall during your lucids, etc. Is this true?
[13:01:54] <%Oreoboy1996> yes
[13:02:00] <%Oreoboy1996> but only if you allow it to be true
[13:02:04] <Merro> oh
[13:02:06] <@OpheliaBlue> you can do ANYthing in your lucids, that's the point. It's like you own personal holodeck, like from startrek
[13:02:11] <cookieh> you control it
[13:02:24] <@OpheliaBlue> ok gotta run or I will die
[13:02:27] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
[13:02:28] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue|Away
[13:02:34] <%Oreoboy1996> if it were to be a problem, you could just phase through it
[13:02:36] <%RareCola> are we talking about a metaphorical invisible wall or an actual invisible wall?
[13:02:39] <Kiara> the holodeck on startrek was always having problems
[13:02:52] <%RareCola> Cya later Lisa
[13:02:54] <Merro> actual invisible wall RC.
[13:02:57] <Merro> in a LD.
[13:03:10] <%RareCola> Ah, well then what everyone else said
[13:03:28] <%Oreoboy1996> anything can happen in a dream
[13:03:30] <Kiara> I think he means a wall that he can not cross
[13:03:30] <%RareCola> You are your own God in your lucid dreams, so whatever can happen
[13:03:53] <Merro> Sounds bout right.
[13:03:54] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't like being godly
[13:03:58] <Merro> Sorry im multi tasking XD
[13:04:03] <%Oreoboy1996> i like being dragony
[13:04:14] <%Caenis> Why do you ask, Merro? Did you try it in a dream recently?
[13:04:45] <Merro> Not really, I just read it some where on a site and wanted to know if anyone experienced this before.
[13:05:10] <%RareCola> Gnna head off also, got some dinner to make
[13:05:11] <%Oreoboy1996> i don't remember
[13:05:12] <%RareCola> !away
[13:05:13] RareCola [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola|Away
[13:05:29] <%Oreoboy1996> might have experienced it in one of those video game dreams
[13:05:39] <%Oreoboy1996> video games have a lot of invisible walls >.>
[13:06:13] <%Caenis> That's true, they do.

Tuesday, June 11th, 8pm chat (that went on for ages because I have such a great motivated DVA team: Caenis, RareCola, and honorary DVA coach, OreoBoy1996)

Spoiler for #DVA:

[19:59:18] OpheliaBlue|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[19:59:24] <@OpheliaBlue> oh you got contacts RareCola?
[19:59:43] <@Oreoboy1996> i guess i'm only hearing and touch sensitive
[20:00:55] Burke [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:00:59] <frobthebuilder> MOAR PEOPLE
[20:01:00] <Burke> I've returned on time
[20:01:02] <frobthebuilder> HAAH
[20:01:11] <Mindraker> lol wb
[20:01:35] <@RareCola> Yea Ophelia
[20:01:38] <Mindraker> hahah now that we have *more* people... the conversation dies down
[20:01:51] <@RareCola> I wear both nowadays
[20:01:51] <@Oreoboy1996> that's because you started early >.>
[20:01:52] <Burke> you guys were talking about me werent you >
[20:02:01] <@Oreoboy1996> no
[20:02:08] <Mindraker> LOL! No.
[20:02:14] <@OpheliaBlue> no but I was thinking about if you might return Burke
[20:02:22] <frobthebuilder> what is today's class about?
[20:02:23] <frobthebuilder> even
[20:02:34] <@OpheliaBlue> open lucid discussion frobthebuilder
[20:02:40] <frobthebuilder> ...
[20:02:43] <@RareCola> We really should set topics sometimes
[20:02:44] <@RareCola> Haha
[20:02:45] <@OpheliaBlue> and how people's progresses are going
[20:02:52] <Burke> if you have a question, ask it
[20:02:52] <frobthebuilder> isn't that what we have #luciddreaming for?
[20:02:57] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I talked to Caenis about that the other day RareCola
[20:02:59] <frobthebuilder> i mean reaaaally
[20:03:05] <@Oreoboy1996> this is more organized
[20:03:11] <@RareCola> #DVA is more concentrated discussion though
[20:03:11] <@Oreoboy1996> and you always ruin #LucidDreaming
[20:03:12] <@OpheliaBlue> we sorta loosely agreed to have set topics as a back up if it dies
[20:03:16] <frobthebuilder> let's veer it off topic now
[20:03:27] <frobthebuilder> so, who has a cat?
[20:03:29] <@OpheliaBlue> that way we can talk abotu different people's different levels..
[20:03:30] <@RareCola> Ah right
[20:03:47] <@OpheliaBlue> but I'm all for selecting a different topic, maybe based on who all is here
[20:03:51] <frobthebuilder> ha just kidding
[20:04:29] <@OpheliaBlue> for example, I've been having great recall, but low level lucids lately, and not sure if it's due to the schedule change or not
[20:04:32] <LeonGower> someone mentioned daydreams before
[20:04:42] <@OpheliaBlue> anybody else having similar issues?
[20:04:49] <@Oreoboy1996> probably me LeonGower lol
[20:04:52] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yes, oreoboy's DDA
[20:04:55] <@RareCola> I have been actually
[20:04:58] <LeonGower> yeah probably
[20:05:04] <@Oreoboy1996> i talk about them a lot >.>
[20:05:26] <@RareCola> I've been having a lot of really interesting dreams lately
[20:05:33] <Burke> ^^
[20:05:36] <LeonGower> I'm trying to gauge the level of this group of people.. so far you all seem to have a reasonable understanding of dreams and controling them
[20:05:39] <Mindraker> I had a dream that people were getting poorly translated telepathic messages in German that they would like being in jail. This made me *snap* realize that this was mind control, and I tried to convince the world that they were being mind controlled. This was the closest I had gotten to being "lucid".
[20:05:58] <@OpheliaBlue> LeonGower: yeah we have all different levels, that's the problem AND beauty of this class hehe
[20:06:06] <@RareCola> In one of my non-lucids earlier this week, I was back in a scene from my very first lucid dream and recalling how I was here in it. No idea how I didn't DILD....
[20:06:08] <frobthebuilder> I had a dream where I was running down a freeway, SANIC HEGEHOEG speeed
[20:06:16] <@Oreoboy1996> LeonGower: I have a very high understanding of it actually
[20:06:18] <@OpheliaBlue> makes it hard to isolate topics, but it's a great learning experience.. seeing what others can do
[20:06:42] <frobthebuilder> gotta go fast
[20:06:43] <LeonGower> well, I'll tell you how I taught myself to lucid dream.
[20:06:47] <LeonGower> if you like
[20:06:53] <@Oreoboy1996> sure go ahead
[20:07:01] <LeonGower> i was 7
[20:07:04] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I'd love to hear
[20:07:11] <LeonGower> that's 33ish years ago
[20:07:13] <@RareCola> Are you a natural or?
[20:07:30] <LeonGower> Yeah you could say that
[20:07:30] <Exotiraan> Damn, there's so many naturals up in here.
[20:07:41] <Exotiraan> (And almost-naturals.)
[20:07:51] <@RareCola> Haha, I quite enjoy the learning experience of lucid dreaming anyway
[20:07:56] <@Oreoboy1996> i think it's more likely to have naturals here because they've actually experienced the thing lol
[20:08:15] <@RareCola> But yes, continue your story, LeonGower
[20:08:16] <Mindraker> Exotiraan: months of hard work... not a "natural" here, lol.
[20:08:32] <LeonGower> I started staring at a wall and watching it fade away, watching the room around me vanish
[20:08:40] <frobthebuilder> wow
[20:08:45] Exotiraan (however wrongly) groups in people that started out before they were thirteen.
[20:08:48] OpheliaBlue is the hard-work-to-lucid-dream type too, and I also enjoy the process of getting there
[20:08:49] <frobthebuilder> sageous is a pretty insightful dood
[20:08:59] <frobthebuilder> i know
[20:09:08] <frobthebuilder> you have like what, 4 lucid a month?
[20:09:16] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't know what i am
[20:09:28] <LeonGower> then I stated looking down on my body at nights. I told my mother who thought it was a joke until i told her the time on the clock when she went to the bathroom... now that's not exactly lucid it's more OBE
[20:09:40] <@OpheliaBlue> me? it used to be 4 a month, now it's like 2 a week or so.. I dunno, read my DJ
[20:09:55] <frobthebuilder> you shud update your profile thar
[20:10:15] <LeonGower> she took me to a priest (back then and in the area I lived they thought I was possessed.) they priest hypnotised me to stop me doing it
[20:10:38] <@RareCola> Haha, dreaming isn't accepted in today's world. Can't imagine 33 years ago.
[20:10:46] <@Oreoboy1996> ^
[20:10:54] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah no kidding
[20:11:05] <LeonGower> yes, it was difficult.. the only info i could find was in an old dictionary.. so yeah imagin that.
[20:11:21] <@OpheliaBlue> oh wow what did you find in the old dictionary LeonGower?
[20:11:33] <Exotiraan> Today: "What? You're dreaming?! You clearly have (schizophrenia|temporal lobe epilepsy|what-have-you). Here's a shitload of pills."
[20:11:41] <@RareCola> ^
[20:11:43] <LeonGower> no support network back then. it was a definition similar to magic: see fiction
[20:11:43] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:11:49] <Exotiraan> Back then: "What? You're dreaming? Satanist!"
[20:11:56] <frobthebuilder> pffft
[20:11:56] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:11:57] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:11:57] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:12:04] <frobthebuilder> i didn't know it was THAT unaccepted
[20:12:15] <@OpheliaBlue> it was a definition for something with a magical reference LeonGower? that's frustrating
[20:12:30] <LeonGower> yeah
[20:12:36] <@RareCola> Bet you began thinking you were a witch or something
[20:12:38] <@RareCola> haha
[20:12:40] <@Oreoboy1996> i had my first lucid when i was 7
[20:12:44] <@OpheliaBlue> I was about 8
[20:12:56] <@OpheliaBlue> NOone believed that I realized i was draeming, IN the dream
[20:12:56] <@Oreoboy1996> then a few more in the years after that before I found DV
[20:13:03] <@RareCola> I was 18
[20:13:03] <Mindraker> Yeah, ADD gets a little overdiagnosed today.
[20:13:05] <LeonGower> so with it being a mass taboo and being hypnotised to stop it took a back page for about 7 more years
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[20:13:19] <LeonGower> I've learned that naturals typically experience it at the first life cycle, 7-8 years
[20:13:21] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Caenis!
[20:13:22] <@Oreoboy1996> I found DV when I was 13 and started practicing right after reading a bunch of tutorials
[20:13:27] OpheliaBlue [[email protected]] has set mode +o Caenis
[20:13:28] <Exotiraan> You guys have me feeling left out. I was twenty when I had my first lucid.
[20:13:40] <@Caenis> Hey all. Sorry I'm late. I was cleaning D'Brickashaw's tub.
[20:13:49] <Burke> I was also 8. thanks to a recurring nightmare i trained myself early
[20:13:50] <@Caenis> Exotiraan: I only had my first recently. I'm 23.
[20:13:51] <@RareCola> Yea that makes sense, LeonGower
[20:13:58] <@OpheliaBlue> it's ok, I had a scattered few LDs my whole life, then I joined DV when I was 29 and then the frequency went up to a few a month or so
[20:14:10] <@OpheliaBlue> agreed also LeonGower
[20:14:18] <Exotiraan> And if it wasn't for that damn panic disorder, I'd probably be doing a lot better than I am, now. :<
[20:14:22] <LeonGower> at about 14 (seriously outcast) I decided to make it happen.
[20:14:32] <@Oreoboy1996> i think my frequency went up to a couple a month maybe after joining DV
[20:14:38] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: set topic to everyone's first
[20:14:48] <@Oreoboy1996> and finally 50+ after training
[20:14:50] <LeonGower> lol
[20:14:51] <Burke> mine was 2-3 a week then i took a break from dv
[20:14:56] Oreoboy1996 [[email protected]] has changed topic to "your first lucid dream"
[20:14:58] <LeonGower> the lucid cherry pop
[20:14:59] <Burke> I had 0 over the past few months while i was gone
[20:15:03] <@OpheliaBlue> haha awesome
[20:15:23] <@Oreoboy1996> i seriously think i'm going to have over 100 lucid dreams at the end of this month
[20:15:26] <@Oreoboy1996> can't wait for that
[20:15:31] <@RareCola> "Lucid cherry pop", I like that
[20:15:39] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:16:02] <frobthebuilder> uugh
[20:16:04] <@OpheliaBlue> it's befitting.. that lucid onset is sometimes referred to as the lucid orgasm
[20:16:09] <LeonGower> Every dream now i am in control. except when externals interrupt.. strangers visiting, that sort of thing
[20:16:13] <@RareCola> Ophelia's lucid cherry was popped by a demon :l
[20:16:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm dreaming I'm dreaming!
[20:16:19] <frobthebuilder> I just realized I've only eaten one meal today
[20:16:26] <frobthebuilder> !away need food badly
[20:16:27] <@OpheliaBlue> technically a tornado when I was 8
[20:16:27] frobthebuilder [[email protected]] is now known as frobthebuilder|Away
[20:16:27] <Mindraker> What really got me interested was a sleep paralysis dream... I tried to move my limbs but they were still frozen... and made me fight more. I had the classic "I'm being raped" dream, even though I'm a guy.
[20:16:36] <@RareCola> That sounds quite painful
[20:16:45] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that's awful!
[20:16:56] <@OpheliaBlue> I didn't know men had a classic rape dream O_O
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[20:17:01] <@Oreoboy1996> never heard it refered to as an orgasm
[20:17:02] <@OpheliaBlue> hey weakamon
[20:17:03] Exotiraan borrows some of Mindraker's SP.
[20:17:07] <weakamon> hi
[20:17:08] <Exotiraan>
[20:17:16] <Exotiraan> (Or, rather, some more of it.)
[20:17:17] <@OpheliaBlue> that was a term back in the early 2000's on DV Oreoboy1996
[20:17:24] <Mindraker> Yeah... sort of... embarrassing.
[20:17:24] <@Oreoboy1996> i call it a euphoric rush I think
[20:17:31] <@OpheliaBlue> that works too
[20:17:39] <@Oreoboy1996> oh i'd only be having my first lucid back then lol
[20:17:43] <weakamon> i'll be here in the corner.... listening to you guys
[20:17:52] <@OpheliaBlue> haha ok np
[20:17:53] <LeonGower> cool
[20:17:55] <Mindraker> Not something men would readily admit to... being raped/dreaming of being raped.
[20:17:56] <@Oreoboy1996> jump in if you want weakamon lol
[20:18:09] <weakamon> haha, nah
[20:18:10] <weakamon> .....
[20:18:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm assuming you mean by not the gender of preference
[20:18:16] <@Oreoboy1996> i already said i've been raped in a dream before Mindraker
[20:18:19] <@Oreoboy1996> 3 times maybe?
[20:18:30] <@Caenis> I imagine men having rape dreams isn't too uncommon. Rape is about dominance, after all.
[20:18:30] <@OpheliaBlue> crap. that's horrible
[20:18:34] Exotiraan didn't start getting SP that felt that way until one instance of SP where he started sexualizing everything.
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[20:18:49] <@RareCola> I think a lot of guys would enjoy being raped
[20:18:49] <@Caenis> Hello hathor28 and sighingplant.
[20:18:51] <hathor28> ok
[20:18:54] <hathor28> hi
[20:18:58] <@OpheliaBlue> that makes sense Caenis.. I never had one really bad one. Just a really bad almost one that was non lucid
[20:19:01] <@OpheliaBlue> hey hathor28
[20:19:04] <hathor28> O.o
[20:19:06] <Mindraker> OpheliaBlue: right, yeah, I'm a guy lol
[20:19:10] <sighingplant> Am i late?
[20:19:15] <LeonGower> don't know about enjoy being raped but I'm more than happy with being stalked
[20:19:16] Exotiraan very much likes SP when it gets that way.
[20:19:17] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I figured Mindraker
[20:19:18] <Mindraker> Oreoboy1996: ah maybe I was on a different time
[20:19:21] <hathor28> hey
[20:19:21] <@Oreoboy1996> wasn't too horrible, i think i just subconsciously knew it would wake me up if i had sex
[20:19:25] <@OpheliaBlue> btu I think RareCola had something else in mind
[20:19:36] <Exotiraan> In which case, it wouldn't really be rape.
[20:19:36] <LeonGower> something uplifing about a woman who'd follow you anywhere and sit in a car watching you sleep
[20:19:42] <@OpheliaBlue> haha fair enough
[20:19:47] <sighingplant> am i late?
[20:19:52] <hathor28> ?
[20:19:58] <Exotiraan> s/wouldn't really/isn't actually/
[20:19:58] <@OpheliaBlue> hey sighingplant, just a bit, it's ok
[20:19:59] <@RareCola> That's somewhat creepy, LeonGower
[20:20:01] <@OpheliaBlue> grab a chair
[20:20:07] ShockWave|Away hands sighingplant a chair
[20:20:08] <LeonGower> hehe
[20:20:09] <sighingplant> great
[20:20:13] <LeonGower> it happened once.
[20:20:13] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:20:15] <@RareCola> We have chairs now? Moving up in the world!
[20:20:24] <@OpheliaBlue> I know it.. next week we get pencils
[20:20:28] <&ShockWave|Away> getting posher by the minute!
[20:20:32] <@Caenis> Pencils!
[20:20:35] <&ShockWave|Away> OpheliaBlue: look at me - I'm the lesson inspector
[20:20:36] <@Caenis> Exciting.
[20:20:37] <LeonGower> didn't end well, I called the cops and she ended up in a mental hospital
[20:20:38] <hathor28> an ipad >.>
[20:20:41] <&ShockWave|Away> I'm taking notes with.... a PENCIL
[20:20:43] <&ShockWave|Away> no not an ipad
[20:20:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ShockWave|Away: yes I seeee
[20:20:52] <@RareCola> You're full of stories aren't you, LeonGower?
[20:21:06] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I thought it was a dream Leon was talkign about
[20:21:08] Exotiraan wonders if all of this talk is going to get him some... interesting dreams tonight, coupled with other stuff that's happened today...
[20:21:12] <hathor28> im playin along geez no humor lol a pencil for what?
[20:21:25] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:21:36] <LeonGower> ah crap. got to go.
[20:21:39] <@OpheliaBlue> awwww
[20:21:41] <@OpheliaBlue> ok see ya
[20:21:47] <@RareCola> Hope to see you around more, LeonGower
[20:21:48] <@Oreoboy1996> bye
[20:21:49] <@RareCola> Bye!
[20:21:49] <frobthebuilder|Away> !here
[20:21:50] frobthebuilder|Away [[email protected]] is now known as frobthebuilder
[20:21:54] <hathor28> ok what is about to happen here?
[20:21:55] <LeonGower> c ya's
[20:21:59] <@RareCola> Welcome back frob
[20:22:00] <frobthebuilder> welp
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[20:22:15] <frobthebuilder> getting caught up with the WILD class didn't take long
[20:22:27] <hathor28> chat session for?
[20:22:33] <@Caenis> So sighingplant and hathor28, have you two had lucids yet? Care to share your first?
[20:22:39] <@RareCola> Just make sure you follow all the tasks, frob
[20:22:47] <@OpheliaBlue> speaking of WILDs, anyone ever experience the vibrations or SP, but don't transition into an LD from it?
[20:22:55] <sighingplant> Ive had one but not since ive begun this class
[20:22:58] <sighingplant> way before
[20:23:02] <hathor28> lmao man can't remember my first been long time ago and had many
[20:23:05] <frobthebuilder> oh don't worry
[20:23:12] <sighingplant> yes
[20:23:14] <sighingplant> @Ophelia
[20:23:20] <sighingplant> Ive had few SPs
[20:23:28] <Mindraker> OpheliaBlue: I can't tell, as my downstairs neighbor is always slamming the door at 12:00 AM
[20:23:31] <sighingplant> and ive felt once like my body was vibrating
[20:23:54] <frobthebuilder> sageous says that's most likely NOT sp
[20:24:08] <frobthebuilder> just background sensations
[20:24:22] <@RareCola> The feeling of gravity, probably
[20:24:24] <hathor28> i once felt my body sink down my bed when i was 12, while i was about to wake
[20:24:25] <sighingplant> the vibrations was because i was attempting a WILD this was when i first discovered LDing in april
[20:24:28] <@Caenis> Technically it's non-REM sleep, yeah, but people call it SP anyway.
[20:25:01] <hathor28> like in freddy kreuger movies 0.0
[20:25:16] <hathor28> but not actually happening lol
[20:25:36] <@RareCola> I hope I can achieve SP one day, I want to see what it's like.
[20:25:40] <@Oreoboy1996> i usually become paralyzed and feel like i'm being squeezed to death
[20:25:44] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't like it
[20:25:54] <Exotiraan> RareCola: Maybe it might be sexy for you, too.
[20:26:00] <sighingplant> RareCola SP sucks
[20:26:01] <frobthebuilder> I get it upon waking up
[20:26:03] <frobthebuilder> SPIDERS
[20:26:08] <frobthebuilder> THEY ARE everywhere
[20:26:09] <hathor28> i don't wanna see what it looks like sinking in bed lol
[20:26:10] <@OpheliaBlue> in the years past, the vibrations usually accompanied some kind of nightmare.. same with SP, now they have become mroe plesant
[20:26:13] <Mindraker> Sleep paralysis is pretty easy. Just lay there on your bed and don't move. The biggest thing is having an empty bladder long enough.
[20:26:31] <Mindraker> And not having itchy skin or twitchy muscles.
[20:26:33] <@RareCola> Last time I attempted to WILD I just found it insanely hard to breathe because of the heart racing hallucination
[20:26:38] Exotiraan likes it when he is forced down into the pillow.
[20:26:44] <Exotiraan> Though sometimes it is a bit rough.
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[20:26:47] <@OpheliaBlue> sighingplant: were these vibrations at night or in the early morning?
[20:26:49] <@OpheliaBlue> just curious
[20:26:59] <sighingplant> night
[20:27:00] <Mindraker> RareCola: Do you drink caffeine or smoke? Perhaps that's making your heart pump
[20:27:02] <frobthebuilder> rarecola
[20:27:04] <@Caenis> I thought you liked it rough, Exotiraan. :p
[20:27:06] <frobthebuilder> that same shit happens to me
[20:27:11] <frobthebuilder> and I do not
[20:27:13] <sighingplant> my body was vibrating a bit violently
[20:27:19] <sighingplant> i didnt get excited or scared
[20:27:24] <@RareCola> Nope Mindraker... it was literally just a hallucination, my heart was actually beating normally.
[20:27:24] <hathor28> idk about waking from vibrations, idk if it ever happened 2 me
[20:27:29] <frobthebuilder> it feels like I'm suffocating
[20:27:29] <sighingplant> it did it like for like a few mins
[20:27:38] <sighingplant> i was like fuq this nothing is happening lol
[20:27:49] <hathor28> frob that happened to me once
[20:27:54] <sighingplant> moved and went to sleep
[20:27:59] <Mindraker> RareCola: wow, fascinating. Biggest thing for me is my leg keeps twitching or my knee for some reason screams in pain, even though nothing is wrong with it.
[20:28:14] <frobthebuilder> I think what we should all be doing
[20:28:21] <frobthebuilder> is concentrating less on our bodies
[20:28:23] <Exotiraan> Caenis: "Damn! Are you trying to split my skull?! Do I have to use the safe word?!"
[20:28:27] <hathor28> lol
[20:28:38] <@RareCola> Learnt a lot from Sageous' class then, frob?
[20:28:39] <@Caenis> Really? I found my heart racing once a few weeks ago while trying to sleep. Maybe it was similar to what you experienced, RareCola. It only lasted a few seconds though.
[20:28:41] <hathor28> huh?
[20:28:52] <frobthebuilder> no, that's from ME actually
[20:28:53] <@OpheliaBlue> frob has a point.. when these vibrations and SP happens, maybe time to focus on the dream to come
[20:28:57] <hathor28> caenis what u mean
[20:29:00] <hathor28> ?
[20:29:21] <@RareCola> Yea I looked into it when I first experienced it, Caenis. The heart racing stuff is a pretty common hallucination people seem to have when WILDing
[20:29:21] <@Oreoboy1996> that's why i plan to daydream to WILD
[20:29:25] <@Caenis> I was responding to Rarecola's comment, about his heart racing. I just wasn't fast in typing.
[20:29:28] <@Oreoboy1996> it will allow me to easily forget about my body
[20:29:35] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[20:29:36] <hathor28> lol
[20:29:38] <frobthebuilder> actually
[20:29:42] <@Caenis> Wow. So that was progress. Interesting.
[20:29:46] <frobthebuilder> the only successful WILD I ever has
[20:29:47] <@Caenis> Thanks for sharing, RareCola!
[20:29:47] <frobthebuilder> d
[20:29:57] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Hmm... if I could figure out how to nudge that into a sexy dream...
[20:30:09] <frobthebuilder> happened while I was falling asleep normally, but i got a small jolt from something halfway into the dream
[20:30:16] <hathor28> i always think my recent dream is giving me messages for the next
[20:30:21] <frobthebuilder> and woke up within
[20:30:28] <@OpheliaBlue> hathor28: yuo mean like a DEILD?
[20:30:37] <@OpheliaBlue> or a dream from one night to the next?
[20:30:44] <@RareCola> I just wish I could master DEILDs, I can't do them unless I wake up from a DILD
[20:30:57] <hathor28> ya sometimes that
[20:31:10] <hathor28> but other times in a few days after
[20:31:14] Exotiraan really wants bedtime to be here, now, for some reason...
[20:31:32] <@RareCola> Take a nap?
[20:31:56] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: yeah I just kinda got lucky that my biological clock would wake me up at the same times, and it was usually right after a normal dream, or a lucid one, and I could easily slip back into it
[20:31:57] <Exotiraan> (Besides the fact that I've been awake almost forty-eight hours and want to sleep, but I got to wait until 2300.)
[20:32:17] <hathor28> DEILD happens to me out of luck if it was a same dream but different part
[20:32:17] <@OpheliaBlue> but that's because i was trained to get up, get kids ready, see Danny off, etc
[20:32:23] <@Oreoboy1996> i can do DEILDs because i've trained myself to know right when i wake up
[20:32:30] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb 2 min
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[20:32:42] <@Oreoboy1996> DEILD isn't my preference though
[20:32:54] <@RareCola> I guess having kids and a schedule can be both a hinderance and a blessing, when it comes to lucid dreaming
[20:34:02] <hathor28> so
[20:34:05] <sighingplant> I dont think i can DEILD because i always wake up with a full bladder
[20:34:19] <hathor28> has anyone read my posts etc on the forum?
[20:34:20] <@RareCola> Empty your bladder, go back to sleep and wake up again?
[20:34:27] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[20:34:31] <hathor28> wb
[20:34:33] <@Caenis> Yeah, that's my problem sometimes too. I don't drink for about 3 hours before bed.
[20:34:48] <@RareCola> I can't say I have, hathor28
[20:35:04] <hathor28> ok
[20:35:07] <Mindraker> Yeah I've learned to stop drinking at suppertime. Otherwise I'm like my dad, and go to the bathroom a million times during the night.
[20:35:09] <@Oreoboy1996> hathor28: i don't read/post in the forums often anymore
[20:35:11] <@Caenis> If I drink milk/apple juice right before I sleep, that's not too bad. Just can't drink much.
[20:35:18] <hathor28> why?
[20:35:33] <@OpheliaBlue> too much peepee
[20:35:34] <@Oreoboy1996> i feel more comfortable in a chat room
[20:35:35] <hathor28> i usually help people with dreams give advice etc
[20:35:52] <@RareCola> I drink loads before I go to bed, my bladder always seems to take a nap while I'm laying down
[20:35:54] <@Oreoboy1996> i used to help people and give advice on the forums but i do that in here a lot now
[20:36:09] <sighingplant> help me
[20:36:12] <hathor28> i dont think noobs come here lol
[20:36:14] <@RareCola> Are you being attacked?
[20:36:17] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:36:20] <@OpheliaBlue> what's wrong sighingplant
[20:36:24] <sighingplant> btw i just ordered EWOLD by LeBerge
[20:36:26] <sighingplant>
[20:36:27] <@Caenis> I have bathroom dreams if my bladder is too full. =I
[20:36:28] <@Oreoboy1996> hathor28: lots of newbs come here actually
[20:36:37] <@OpheliaBlue> me too Caenis!
[20:36:46] <@RareCola> Good! EWOLD is amazing
[20:36:49] <hathor28> press 1 if you a noob
[20:37:02] <hathor28> XD
[20:37:14] <Mindraker> 1 -- it's ok to be a noob, if you're willing to learn.
[20:37:15] <@Oreoboy1996> we've trained them to not be noobs >.>
[20:37:15] <sighingplant> RareCola whats in it
[20:37:18] <@RareCola> Do people still use the term "noob"?
[20:37:25] <@OpheliaBlue> absolutely right Mindraker
[20:37:29] <@Oreoboy1996> i prefer newb to noob
[20:37:30] <@RareCola> Everything, it's like the lucid dreaming bible, sighingplant
[20:37:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I see newbie alot
[20:37:36] <hathor28> na i just want to know if there is noobs here
[20:37:41] <@OpheliaBlue> but new member is politically correct
[20:37:44] <sighingplant> Cool
[20:37:51] <sighingplant> cant wait til it comes
[20:37:55] <@Oreoboy1996> newb is like saying a new guy and noob is like saying a boob
[20:38:01] <@OpheliaBlue> oh shit, it's free online sighingplant
[20:38:06] <hathor28> !hathor28
[20:38:09] <@OpheliaBlue> unless you want your own copy, and I can understand that
[20:38:10] <hathor28> oops
[20:38:17] <hathor28> !hathor28 profile
[20:38:21] <sighingplant> ididntk that
[20:38:23] <@RareCola> Problem is with the online version is you have to read your computer screen
[20:38:24] <@Oreoboy1996> i'll buy that book eventually
[20:38:26] <hathor28> damn cant do that?
[20:38:30] <sighingplant> well it only cost me $6
[20:38:33] <sighingplant> so its ok
[20:38:34] <@OpheliaBlue> !profile hathor28
[20:38:34] <%iBot> View Profile: hathor28 - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[20:38:35] <@Oreoboy1996> but i probably won't read it, i just want to put it on a shelf to look fancy
[20:38:44] <@Caenis> $6 isn't bad at all.
[20:38:50] <hathor28> yes thats right it was on reverse lol
[20:38:57] <@OpheliaBlue>
[20:39:10] <hathor28> add if you want lol
[20:39:12] <sighingplant> yeah $6 is a done deal
[20:39:27] Exotiraan gives RareCola F.lux or Redshift.
[20:39:37] <hathor28> how do you put colored fonts
[20:39:37] <@RareCola> wut
[20:39:41] <@Caenis> So has anyone been reading EWOLD? Ophelia linked it in the homework/resources thread.
[20:39:56] <@Oreoboy1996> hathor28: you need to download a bunch of stuff
[20:40:05] <hathor28> ewww
[20:40:09] <@Oreoboy1996> not really suitable for lucid dreaming discussion >.>
[20:40:09] <hathor28> no thanks
[20:40:11] <sighingplant> lol eww
[20:40:21] <hathor28> just viruses
[20:40:22] <Exotiraan> RareCola: They make your monitor not rape your eyes when it it night-time where you live, so you can read stuff, then still be able to go off to sleep.
[20:40:40] <@RareCola> Oh right, I've heard of that
[20:40:49] <@RareCola> You shouldn't be reading non-fiction before bed anyway
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[20:41:04] <@Oreoboy1996> but i like non-fiction
[20:41:10] <@Oreoboy1996> then again, i hate reading...
[20:41:16] <@RareCola> Me too, it's great, but not good for sleep
[20:41:34] <sighingplant> you reading right now
[20:41:46] <@OpheliaBlue> crap brb a minute, emergency admin thing
[20:41:53] <@RareCola> @Caenis: I'm still reading EWOLD. I keep taking breaks in reading it to try out all the different stuff he mentions
[20:41:59] <@RareCola> I don't feel it's a book you can really speed through
[20:42:02] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: Caenis , Oreoboy1996 it's your baby
[20:42:02] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah but it's not formal reading >.>
[20:42:04] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
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[20:42:10] <@RareCola> Ok Ophelia
[20:42:11] <@Caenis> Yes ma'am.
[20:42:15] <sighingplant> tushay
[20:42:19] <@Caenis> All right, let's get this baby back on topic.
[20:42:25] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> touche*
[20:42:44] <Mindraker> OK, well earlier we were discussing the differences between daydreams and "night" dreams.
[20:42:56] <Mindraker> Should I log my "day" dreams in my journal?
[20:43:05] <@RareCola> You can, but I don't think it's necessary
[20:43:07] <hathor28> ah ok thats better making my user name in color apart from others.
[20:43:14] <@Caenis> Oh, I have heard of some people keeping daydream journals. It's an interesting idea.
[20:43:15] <Mindraker> Are my "day" dreams actually "dreams"?
[20:43:20] <frobthebuilder> no
[20:43:24] <frobthebuilder> they aren't
[20:43:32] <@Oreoboy1996> the main difference between a daydream and a real dream is you're awake when you daydream and you consciously create the sensations
[20:43:34] <@RareCola> Not unless you're napping
[20:43:39] <sighingplant> how would a daydream journal help?
[20:43:40] <frobthebuilder> they are just visualizations
[20:43:42] <frobthebuilder> HOWEVER
[20:43:55] <frobthebuilder> dreams and visualizations are generated in the same area of the brain
[20:43:58] <@Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: it would train your brain to recall dreams
[20:44:12] <@Caenis> I think a daydream journal could be helpful in incubating dreams too.
[20:44:17] <sighingplant> not a bad idea then
[20:44:23] <@Oreoboy1996> possibly Caenis
[20:44:23] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !brb
[20:44:29] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> nvm not a huge deal
[20:44:29] <sighingplant> what if you tend to daydream a lot
[20:44:32] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[20:44:34] <@OpheliaBlue> I meant to say
[20:44:37] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: don't laugh
[20:44:43] <@Oreoboy1996> sighingplant: i daydream A LOT
[20:44:47] <@RareCola> Still not used to this, eh, Ophelia?
[20:44:54] <hathor28> day dream is like some kind of telepathic mind thing going on. That's what i think. i seldom have this because i mastered telepathy.
[20:44:59] <sighingplant> Oreo: thats a lot of writting for us then
[20:45:00] <Mindraker> I see, so unless I'm actually "asleep" -- i.e., crawling in my bed and falling asleep -- then spacing out and envisioning something while I'm bored is not a "dream".
[20:45:13] <@OpheliaBlue> I may never be quite USED to it.. just gotta keep swimmin
[20:45:29] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't write out my daydreams though
[20:45:48] <@Oreoboy1996> daydreaming is telepathic wut?
[20:45:50] <@RareCola> No Mindraker, it's just a visualisation
[20:45:53] <@RareCola> as frob said
[20:45:53] <Mindraker> I see.
[20:45:56] <@Caenis> Oreoboy has a lot of LDs as is, so doesn't really need to keep one
[20:45:58] <hathor28> mind thing
[20:46:02] <sighingplant> oh
[20:46:10] <sighingplant> what about me
[20:46:22] <@Caenis> That's up to you! It could be an interesting experiment.
[20:46:33] <sighingplant> do i write my accidental day dreams or intended ones?
[20:46:38] <@Oreoboy1996> been training my recall for over 10 years
[20:46:43] <@Caenis> You could try it out for a few weeks, see if it works for you. Write down both.
[20:46:45] <hathor28> its a mind reading thing, read about telepathy you'd be surprised
[20:46:57] <sighingplant> Im gonna get carpal tunnel then
[20:46:58] <Mindraker> Ah... you've been at this for much longer.
[20:47:06] <@Oreoboy1996> wait, how do you have an accidental daydream?
[20:47:08] <@Caenis> You wouldn't need to write down EVERYTHING, maybe just the important stuff. Or the main points of the daydreams.
[20:47:15] <@Caenis> Your mind wanders.
[20:47:15] <sighingplant> boredom
[20:47:21] <Mindraker> Oreoboy1996: yeah all the time
[20:47:29] <sighingplant> @Oreo
[20:47:33] <frobthebuilder> why the hell would you write out daydreams
[20:47:37] <frobthebuilder> seriously
[20:47:41] <frobthebuilder> gawd damn
[20:47:41] <@Oreoboy1996> to improve your recall
[20:47:43] <frobthebuilder> but
[20:47:44] <frobthebuilder> but
[20:47:45] <frobthebuilder> butt
[20:47:51] <@Oreoboy1996> the same reason you would keep a waking journal
[20:47:57] <@Oreoboy1996> to improve recall
[20:48:02] <frobthebuilder> daydreams happen while you're in a conscious state of mind
[20:48:07] <Mindraker> Oreoboy1996: I get image flashes all the time, what, you guys... don't?
[20:48:21] <frobthebuilder> the whole problem with dream reacall is taking memories between states
[20:48:30] <@Oreoboy1996> no i don't have random images flash in front of me a lot
[20:48:32] <hathor28> telepathy, you can visualize, sense and feel emotions from someone else you are targeting to. But this is when your in a daydream state, or hypnotized when u are really getting communication for someone else
[20:48:33] <@RareCola> I agree with frobthebuilder, actually
[20:48:40] <@Caenis> I do. I'll find myself daydreaming about something ridiculous, and start focusing on whatever it is I"m supposed to be doing.
[20:48:41] <@RareCola> I don't think keeping a daydream journal would really do much for recall
[20:48:48] <hathor28> from*
[20:48:54] <sighingplant> me too
[20:48:56] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it's hard to do, which is why people tend to remember just the last dream
[20:49:00] <sighingplant> @cAENIS
[20:49:05] <sighingplant> Caenis*
[20:49:12] <@RareCola> What are your thoughts on daydream journals, Ophelia?
[20:49:15] <@Caenis> I think it'd be good for incubation though. I know that's one of the big benefits of daydreaming before sleep. Include some RCs in the daydreams, and you're golden.
[20:49:41] <hathor28> true caenis
[20:49:43] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: it depends, what would one record exactly
[20:49:56] <@RareCola> I assume just whatever you daydream about
[20:49:57] <frobthebuilder> incubation has never done much for me
[20:49:57] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah that's pretty much my DDA technique
[20:49:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I've seen several variations
[20:50:14] <@Caenis> I know it is. I've also read about that technique in other places. It's pretty common.
[20:50:32] <sighingplant> I got a question on incubation. when it says imagine yourself doing an RC do they mean in 1st person or 3rd person? Serious question, dont laugh
[20:50:44] <@OpheliaBlue> 1st person
[20:50:45] <@RareCola> Probably common because Stephen Leberge mentioned the whole daydream before bed thing in EWOLD
[20:50:48] <@Oreoboy1996> doesn't matter sighingplant
[20:50:54] <@OpheliaBlue> yo want to imagine yourself doing the RC
[20:50:54] <hathor28> when i daydream (long time ago) it's usually blank, im not thinking of anything, im just in a hypnotized state
[20:51:01] <@OpheliaBlue> if yuo're talking about VILD that is
[20:51:18] <@Caenis> I think I wind up doing it in 3rd person. I switch in and out of 3rd and 1st in my dreams.
[20:51:20] <@Oreoboy1996> seeing as real dreams can be either first person or third person it shouldn't really matter in the daydream
[20:51:20] <@RareCola> I actually have the first-person, third-person problem a LOT. When I'm day dreaming I have issues keeping it first-person. I guess this is why I have so many third-person dreams too.
[20:51:23] <Mindraker> Oh wow... usually when I'm daydreaming my mind is buzzing away...
[20:51:38] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: oh then I think it would be pretty useful. Record the "in the now" stuff... where did i read that recently?
[20:51:38] <hathor28> whats vild?
[20:51:41] <@Caenis> In my LD last night, I became lucid, and then saw my own face in 3rd person.
[20:51:42] <Mindraker> My dad will say "Daaaavidd... what are you thinking about?"
[20:51:55] <@Oreoboy1996> VILD is Visually Induced Lucid Dream
[20:51:55] <sighingplant> Oreo & Opehelia: Ok
[20:51:57] <@Oreoboy1996> something like that
[20:52:01] <frobthebuilder> it's the problem with accociative vs dissociative visualization
[20:52:04] <@Caenis> OpheliaBlue: DawgBone, maybe?
[20:52:12] <@Oreoboy1996> it's a WILD technique where you add visualization and enter the dream from there
[20:52:13] <hathor28> oh ya i had that while i looked at a mirror
[20:52:16] <@OpheliaBlue> haha sighingplant, sorry you got conflicting answers
[20:52:17] <frobthebuilder> associative is first person, and it's harder
[20:52:25] <sighingplant> lol its straight
[20:52:29] <@RareCola> Mostly when I go third-person it's when I'm playing the role of somebody else, another thing that commonly happens in my dreams.
[20:52:31] <@OpheliaBlue> god I read so many workbooks.. thanks Caenis
[20:52:33] <frobthebuilder> cus you have other senses to worry about
[20:53:00] <@Caenis> Np. I understand.
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[20:53:36] <@RareCola> Senses are such an overlooked thing, I feel
[20:53:50] <@RareCola> and not just the usual five senses either, the other lesser-known ones
[20:53:53] <sighingplant> is that Lucid Dreaming in 30 Days creative program book good?
[20:54:10] <@RareCola> Never heard of it, sighingplant
[20:54:11] Exotiraan brain automatically goes third-person when it thinks things aren't realistic or make enough sense or look dangerous enough that it's not ready to let me have a self, yet.
[20:54:12] <@OpheliaBlue> never heard of it..
[20:54:18] hathor28 slaps hathor28 around a bit with a large fishbot
[20:54:25] <hathor28> oops
[20:54:27] <hathor28> lol
[20:54:31] <@OpheliaBlue> I imagine good things can be taken from it, but it takes 10,000 hours to learn to LD perfectly.
[20:54:33] <@Caenis> I read about it, sighingplant. I'd say stick with DV and see if you can improve here first.
[20:54:35] <@OpheliaBlue> I heard.
[20:54:38] <Mindraker> (OK guys it's getting late, I'm going off to bed... see you in my dreams! *hugs*)
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[20:54:46] <@OpheliaBlue> bye Mindraker!
[20:54:47] <sighingplant> Caenis: Ok
[20:55:05] <Mindraker> Bye OpheliaBlue!
[20:55:07] <@RareCola> Yea, I definitely wouldn't believe 30 days to lucid dream
[20:55:07] <@Oreoboy1996> oh in my dreams i have a 6th sense where i detect the energies/presence of other things
[20:55:11] <@RareCola> It's more a life-long commitment
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[20:55:14] <@Oreoboy1996> like people or monsters
[20:55:15] <sighingplant> 10,000 hours thats the mastery hour
[20:55:16] <@OpheliaBlue> I was kidding about the 10,000 hours by the way
[20:55:17] <@Caenis> I don't think they'd tell you stuff that'd be much different from DV anyway. If you have the cash to burn, you can try it out and tell us what you think of it.
[20:55:21] <sighingplant> like a musicinas
[20:55:25] <sighingplant> musicians
[20:55:31] <@Oreoboy1996> it takes 10,000 hours?
[20:55:34] <frobthebuilder> no
[20:55:36] <frobthebuilder> it doesn't
[20:55:38] <@Oreoboy1996> but i don't know how long i've been at it D:
[20:55:46] <@OpheliaBlue> it was a JOKE
[20:55:51] <@Oreoboy1996> i know
[20:55:53] <sighingplant> lol Ophelia
[20:55:56] <@RareCola> LOL
[20:55:59] <sighingplant> mindfuqd us
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[20:56:02] <@OpheliaBlue> finally Jason saw it
[20:56:06] <DaveTheJoker|Away> oops
[20:56:08] <DaveTheJoker|Away> well hi
[20:56:10] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Dave!
[20:56:11] <DaveTheJoker|Away> !back
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[20:56:13] <@Caenis> Hay Dave, just in time for the class to end.
[20:56:14] <Exotiraan> Sounds like an extortion scheme to me.
[20:56:22] <frobthebuilder> how is this even a class
[20:56:25] <@RareCola> Sorry, I'm kind of slow lots to keep up with
[20:56:26] <DaveTheJoker> typical dave
[20:56:28] <sighingplant> this is class?
[20:56:32] <sighingplant> there was no lessons
[20:56:36] <sighingplant> just Q & As
[20:56:39] <frobthebuilder> haah
[20:56:40] <@OpheliaBlue> the lessons themselves are in DVA
[20:56:40] <frobthebuilder> waaw
[20:56:41] <sighingplant> with convos
[20:56:41] <@RareCola> It's more of a discussion
[20:56:45] <@OpheliaBlue> this chat is like Lab
[20:56:50] <@OpheliaBlue> interactive learning
[20:56:54] <frobthebuilder> sageous needs to get his class into #DVA
[20:56:58] <@RareCola> ^
[20:56:58] <@Oreoboy1996> you still learned somethin didn't you sighingplant?
[20:57:00] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah he does
[20:57:01] <@Oreoboy1996> that's what matters
[20:57:04] <sighingplant> not rly
[20:57:08] <@OpheliaBlue> awwww
[20:57:10] <@RareCola> Have you spoken to him about it yet, Lisa?
[20:57:10] DaveTheJoker needs to get his ass into gear on the dreaming
[20:57:12] <frobthebuilder> somebody get his ass in gear, wouldya?
[20:57:15] <@Oreoboy1996> how did you not learn anything?
[20:57:17] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[20:57:20] <@Caenis> Well bring some questions for us next time, sighingplant.
[20:57:26] <frobthebuilder> i mean sageous
[20:57:27] <@OpheliaBlue> I sent him a PM, I think
[20:57:29] <sighingplant> not what i hoped in learning
[20:57:41] <@Oreoboy1996> what did you hope to learn?
[20:57:45] <@OpheliaBlue> ^
[20:57:47] <@RareCola> ^
[20:57:51] <cookieh|Asleep> v
[20:57:55] <@Oreoboy1996> help me help you
[20:58:00] <sighingplant> ways to futher progress other then patience
[20:58:18] <@RareCola> It really is the only way
[20:58:26] <@RareCola> You can't learn to lucid dream overnight
[20:58:29] <DaveTheJoker> oh so you mean like magic?
[20:58:31] <@Oreoboy1996> determination and motivation
[20:58:49] <@Caenis> Yeah. =/ Consistence, persistence, finding the technique that works for you. Sorry sighingplant.
[20:58:50] <@OpheliaBlue> patience, determination, motivation definitely
[20:58:56] <@Oreoboy1996> experimentation and figuring out the best technique for you is also good
[20:59:15] <sighingplant> my first LD was to a FA
[20:59:21] <sighingplant> so i guess thats a DILD
[20:59:31] <@OpheliaBlue> yes
[20:59:39] <sighingplant> but i think ive lost awareness cause I had a FA today and didnt catch it
[20:59:53] <@RareCola> DILD is great, but I think it's also good to practice more than just that.
[21:00:00] <frobthebuilder> yes
[21:00:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to assume that everytime I wake up, I'm dreaming.. I'll know if i'm wrong in a bout 2 seconds
[21:00:05] <sighingplant> lately ive been doing WBTB
[21:00:12] <@RareCola> WBTB isn't a technique, though
[21:00:12] <frobthebuilder> that's why we're in sageous' WILD class
[21:00:17] <@RareCola> ^
[21:00:20] <frobthebuilder> WBTB IS a technique
[21:00:24] <frobthebuilder> actually
[21:00:26] <@Caenis> Sometimes they're hard to catch. Just RC with awareness when you wake up.
[21:00:33] <frobthebuilder> if you stay up for an hour or so
[21:00:39] <frobthebuilder> you can get pretty good results
[21:00:40] <@Oreoboy1996> i've almost mastered everything i think
[21:00:42] <frobthebuilder> I know I do
[21:00:42] <sighingplant> i sometimes forget too
[21:00:45] <sighingplant> Caenis
[21:00:53] <@RareCola> It's not directly a technique, frobthebuilder. It's an aid to techniques.
[21:00:57] <frobthebuilder> not true
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[21:01:10] <@RareCola> How so?
[21:01:18] <frobthebuilder> I can get lucid ONLY using wbtb
[21:01:19] <@Caenis> If you keep at it, it'll become instinctual. Sorry we can't tell you more than that, sighingplant.
[21:01:27] <@RareCola> You don't have a WBTBILD when you WBTB, it's still a DILD or WILD, etc.
[21:01:29] <@Oreoboy1996> actually you're using DILD i think frobthebuilder
[21:01:34] <@Oreoboy1996> and the wbtb aids you
[21:01:36] <frobthebuilder> you got me there
[21:01:44] <frobthebuilder> i still think it's a techique though
[21:01:49] <sighingplant> Ok Caenis
[21:01:51] <@Oreoboy1996> that's fine
[21:01:59] <@Oreoboy1996> i really don't think what it's classified as really matters
[21:02:08] <frobthebuilder> I agree
[21:02:10] <sighingplant> brb
[21:02:23] <frobthebuilder> hey
[21:02:25] <frobthebuilder> hey
[21:02:27] <frobthebuilder> http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/want-a...-start-132795/
[21:02:31] <frobthebuilder> get a load of this guy
[21:02:43] <@Oreoboy1996> well a lot of people don't know where to start
[21:02:50] <@Oreoboy1996> i was a bit confused myself when i came here
[21:02:50] <frobthebuilder> READ THE WIKI DUNKASS
[21:03:16] <@OpheliaBlue> haha at Jakob "Eh... how about reading something from DreamViews.com?"
[21:03:20] <@Oreoboy1996> after reading the wiki i didn't know if i should start with WILD, DILD, MILD, DEILD, etc
[21:03:20] <frobthebuilder> I mean, theres a reason we have it right?
[21:03:28] <frobthebuilder> then you should ask
[21:03:37] <frobthebuilder> "what technique do you suggest"
[21:03:41] <frobthebuilder> not
[21:03:48] <frobthebuilder> "Want to Attain Lucidiy REALLY BADLY, don't know where to start "
[21:03:53] <@Caenis> People like talking to others though, not just reading from a wall of text.
[21:04:01] <@Caenis> Human connection.
[21:04:12] <frobthebuilder> you could at least spell lucidity correctly
[21:04:13] <@RareCola> I prefer thought out walls of text
[21:04:44] <@RareCola> Casual introvert right here
[21:04:46] <@Caenis> It'd be nice if more people read wikis, sure, and some people do read them. I did. But it can be overwhelming.
[21:04:51] <@OpheliaBlue> alot of new members want instantaneous answers and results
[21:04:55] <frobthebuilder> ugh
[21:04:56] <frobthebuilder> and this
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[21:05:05] <@Oreoboy1996> hello syth406
[21:05:06] <frobthebuilder> is why i hate the attaining lucidity subforum
[21:05:08] <@OpheliaBlue> hsy syth406
[21:05:12] <@Oreoboy1996> you're an hour and 4 minutes late
[21:05:18] Oreoboy1996 gives syth406 a gold star
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[21:05:25] <@OpheliaBlue> awwwwww
[21:05:26] <@Oreoboy1996> okay
[21:05:26] <@RareCola> Yea, definitely, Ophelia. They don't realise that lucidity is something that can take months or years to learn.
[21:05:28] <@Caenis> That was fast.
[21:05:30] <DaveTheJoker> late to class
[21:05:34] <DaveTheJoker> you need a tarty
[21:05:43] <DaveTheJoker> go to the attendance office
[21:05:48] <@OpheliaBlue> he's already gone
[21:06:09] <@RareCola> Is Matte our headmaster?
[21:06:10] <@RareCola> haha
[21:06:20] <@OpheliaBlue> frobthebuilder: well that's one reason I teach this class, we get alot of members like that, and I have alot of patience for them
[21:06:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I just direct them to the right information, then if they really show a desire to learn mroe, then welcoem to DVA
[21:06:53] <@RareCola> I'm just happy there are people willing to learn, I just wish some of them wouldn't give up when they don't lucid dream in the first week
[21:07:05] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^
[21:07:07] <@OpheliaBlue> exactly
[21:07:08] <frobthebuilder> I have NO patience for that
[21:07:09] <@Oreoboy1996> i direct people to information and they tend to say "I'll read that later"
[21:07:10] <frobthebuilder> none
[21:07:10] <@Oreoboy1996> -_-
[21:07:11] <frobthebuilder> at all
[21:07:13] <@RareCola> I was quite lucky and got my first lucid in a week, but I also educated myself a LOT
[21:07:24] <@OpheliaBlue> that's why there are teachers, and, well ,not teachers
[21:07:40] <frobthebuilder> true dat
[21:07:40] <@Caenis> Then you don't need to go to the Attaining Lucidity subforum, frobthebuilder.
[21:07:50] <frobthebuilder> I really need to stop
[21:07:51] <@OpheliaBlue> I also find that some start out, give up, then come back later when they have matured a little more
[21:07:54] <frobthebuilder> but I can't
[21:08:23] <@OpheliaBlue> patience comes in several shapes I see
[21:08:26] <@Caenis> That's true. Part of it is a maturity thing. Part of it might be generational.
[21:08:28] <@OpheliaBlue> time to log
[21:08:29] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
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Tuesday, June 12th, 12noon CST class:
Topics set were Daily Awareness, and Lucid Dream Sustaining

Spoiler for #DVA:

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[12:00:26] <@Oreoboy1996> wb OpheliaBlue
[12:00:40] <@OpheliaBlue> hey guys
[12:00:45] <%Caenis> Hello Ophelia.
[12:00:52] <DawgBone> Hi Ophelia
[12:00:59] <%RareCola> Right on time as always Lisa
[12:01:43] <%RareCola> We set a topic of awareness & stabilisation techniques today, but if you'd like to just talk about any other experiences you've had, feel free
[12:02:35] <DawgBone> Should you try to stabilize as soon as you become lucid?
[12:02:45] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah
[12:02:55] <%RareCola> Pretty much, yea
[12:03:01] <@OpheliaBlue> well I remember sleeping in a couple times before P
[12:03:04] <%RareCola> I find it's quite hard for me to remember to do, but it's definitely important
[12:03:09] <@Oreoboy1996> although i don't like to stabilize because thinking about the need to stabilize makes it worse for me :/
[12:03:23] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah there's that schema thing
[12:03:44] <@Oreoboy1996> so i kind of prefer to just forget about the thought of stabilization and waking up completely and move on with the dream
[12:04:00] <@OpheliaBlue> however, I find that most of my lucids occur right about when I'm going to wake up anyway (DEILDs), so anything to help sustain the dream is good.
[12:04:13] <%RareCola> I find when I don't stabilise though, I just slip back into non-lucidity
[12:04:32] <%RareCola> That time I did manage to stabilise I had a lot more success at keeping with the lucidity
[12:04:47] <@Oreoboy1996> i think last time my dream became unstable i passed out instead of waking up
[12:05:03] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe weird
[12:05:21] <%RareCola> Speaking of my lucidity, it's the longest I've gone since I started without a lucid now
[12:05:29] <@Oreoboy1996> and then when i "woke up" in the dream i used my dragon sight ability to make things clearer
[12:05:35] <%RareCola> Need to start practicing DEILD more, I think
[12:05:55] <DawgBone> dragon sight?
[12:05:56] <@OpheliaBlue> oh that sucks.. an awareness issue? or sleep/stress you think?
[12:06:05] <%RareCola> I'm not really sure
[12:06:18] <@OpheliaBlue> well that's a stabilization of sorts, dragon sight
[12:06:25] <@Oreoboy1996> DawgBone: i have a lot of powers relating to dragons lol
[12:06:26] <%RareCola> My stress is pretty much gone, sleep is almost back to normal and I'm keeping up with awareness
[12:06:32] <DawgBone> ha!
[12:06:45] <@Oreoboy1996> dragon sight pretty much gives me the eye sight a dragon would have
[12:07:09] <@OpheliaBlue> I like having a few stabilization techniques up my sleeve, because sometimes I don't require them at the onset of the lucid dream, but rather later if I get too excited
[12:07:27] <%RareCola> I can feel I'll get lucid again soon, always get that feeling a few days before I have a lucid
[12:07:32] <@OpheliaBlue> or if the story isn't moving along very well, I'll start to fade into nonlucidity, and need something to spark things up a bit
[12:08:21] <DawgBone> Oreo: But isn't the basic idea that anything you think will increase vividness probably will?
[12:08:29] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: really? based on a feeling in general, or on the vivid dreams you've been having
[12:08:51] <%RareCola> Just a feeling, like I know I'll become lucid soon
[12:08:51] <@Oreoboy1996> not entirely
[12:09:25] <DawgBone> RareCola: That's interesting
[12:09:46] <@OpheliaBlue> lately I've been sleeping in like I usually do, but it's just lethargic sleep, not alot of dreaming like before. I notice the heat has alot to do with it. already in the 90's here
[12:09:54] <%Caenis> RareCola: Maybe it's just that confidence in having a LD soon that makes you have a LD.
[12:10:13] <%RareCola> Yea I figured it could be that, Caenis
[12:10:44] <DawgBone> Ophelia: The heat effects me too.
[12:11:09] <DawgBone> *affects
[12:11:14] <%Caenis> DawgBone: So did you stabilize in your most recent LD? I don't remember you mentioning it in your workbook.
[12:11:14] <@OpheliaBlue> DawgBone: I think alot of positive thinking helps. I even notice that if I try a technique that I just heard about someone else doing, it works really well.
[12:11:25] <@OpheliaBlue> I guess because I think, well it just worked for her, so...
[12:11:41] <DawgBone> Right
[12:11:52] Sent part request, waiting for reply...
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[12:12:47] <Idionym> hey
[12:12:47] <%Caenis> It's okay, I hardly stabilized my last LD. It's really difficult to remember anything. o_o
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[12:12:50] <@OpheliaBlue> fuck!
[12:12:52] <%Caenis> Hey Idionym.
[12:12:53] <@OpheliaBlue> Something else important in the whole scheme of stabilization, and I think it helps you not have to stabilize as much, is paying attention to all 5 senses
[12:12:54] <Idionym> hey
[12:12:55] <%RareCola> welcome back Ophelia
[12:13:26] <%RareCola> yes senses are very very important
[12:13:49] <@OpheliaBlue> I hate acer netbooks
[12:13:56] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, yeah what I just said
[12:15:09] <@OpheliaBlue> I think that's why practicing awareness during waking hours is also important, help you tie it to dreams
[12:15:10] <%RareCola> but as I mentioned yesterday, I think paying attention to all 8 senses is quite helpful
[12:15:17] <@OpheliaBlue> 8 senses?
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[12:15:28] <DawgBone> 8 senses?
[12:15:41] <DawgBone> I'm missing a few
[12:15:43] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah, training awareness during the day will cause you to use it in your dreams
[12:15:46] <@Oreoboy1996> hello Kiara
[12:15:53] <%Caenis> Hey Kiara.
[12:15:57] <Kiara> hi Oreo
[12:16:03] <Kiara> Caenis
[12:16:06] <%RareCola> Thermoception (temperature perception), nociception (pain), equilibrioception (balance) and proprioception (knowing where your body parts are orientated in space)
[12:16:17] <@OpheliaBlue> ohhhhh
[12:16:20] <DawgBone> ha
[12:16:23] <@OpheliaBlue> instead of just "touch"
[12:16:34] <@Oreoboy1996> thermoception and nociception would be touch...
[12:16:40] <%RareCola> Nop
[12:16:43] <%RareCola> they're senses all of their own
[12:16:48] <Kiara> but they are all part for touch
[12:17:11] <%RareCola> I guess, but it's somewhat different
[12:17:11] <Kiara> maybe you could call the sub-senses?
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[12:17:46] <Harelori> Hey
[12:17:46] <%Caenis> I can see why balance would be its own sense or perception. As well as proprioception.
[12:17:54] <@Oreoboy1996> hello Harelori
[12:17:54] <%Caenis> Hey Harelori, thanks for joining.
[12:17:54] <Harelori> Caenis, pleasure to meet you live
[12:18:02] <%Caenis> Agreed!
[12:18:06] <Harelori> thanks for letting me know about the session
[12:18:08] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah you can have proprioception even after you lose a finger or limb
[12:18:15] <%Caenis> No problem man.
[12:18:16] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Harelori
[12:18:22] <%RareCola> Precisely, Ophelia. Which is why it's useful to practice in dreams too.
[12:18:23] <Harelori> Hey ophelia
[12:18:31] <Kiara> hi Harelori
[12:18:34] <Harelori> I wrote a comment at my workbook, you might find it intresting
[12:18:37] <Harelori> hey Kiara
[12:18:41] <@Oreoboy1996> proprioception is probably what i use when i have wings in a tail
[12:18:44] <Harelori> how's things going fellow student?
[12:18:57] <@Oreoboy1996> and*
[12:18:59] <DawgBone> I like the idea of developing new senses. Increasing awareness in new ways
[12:19:15] <%Caenis> Just dandy. We were chatting about awareness in dreams, Harelori. You probably realized that already though.
[12:19:30] <Kiara> extra sensorial perception has many new senses
[12:19:39] <@OpheliaBlue> so what do yuo guys do for awareness throughout the day?
[12:19:40] <Harelori> I did realize it, but thanks
[12:19:49] <Harelori> Ophelia, I ask myself how I got here
[12:19:55] <@OpheliaBlue> I have clocks literally everywhere
[12:20:01] <Harelori> lmao
[12:20:04] <@OpheliaBlue> that's good Harelori
[12:20:07] <@Oreoboy1996> constantly look for odd things and question reality
[12:20:27] <Kiara> I'm an odd thing...
[12:20:32] <@OpheliaBlue> oen of my digital clocks is a really odd blue color, and it likes to get funky in my dreams, so it's a good indicator
[12:20:42] <@Oreoboy1996> yes you are, you make me question if i'm dreaming or not all the time Kiara
[12:20:47] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:20:55] <%RareCola> Clocks never really seem to show up in my dreams, it's weird
[12:21:03] <%RareCola> Besides the clock in my bedroom, all other clocks seem to just... disappear
[12:21:13] <@Oreoboy1996> I also use DDA sometimes during the day
[12:21:19] <@OpheliaBlue> what about your cellphone RareCola
[12:21:24] <Harelori> My school lacks clocks
[12:21:52] <@Oreoboy1996> I also tend to treat video games like lucid dreams when i play them
[12:22:04] <%Caenis> That must be maddening, Harelori.
[12:22:08] <@OpheliaBlue> what about you DawgBone
[12:22:22] <%RareCola> I never have my phone with me in my dreams either
[12:22:36] <DawgBone> I also have a bunch of clock, the wind up kind. But rarely dream about them
[12:22:39] <@OpheliaBlue> that's interesting.. my cell is one of my most common device failures
[12:23:01] <Harelori> one of my 6 LDs
[12:23:05] <Harelori> I woke myself up on purpose
[12:23:06] <%Caenis> I hardly use phones in my dreams. Computers or laptops are much more common.
[12:23:07] <%RareCola> I'm not really one to always use my phone though, so I guess that's why
[12:23:13] <Harelori> because I thought I should wake up so I won't be late
[12:23:14] <@OpheliaBlue> so is my netbook, I need to do another RC after that crapper just booted me again
[12:23:23] <Harelori> I was 6 hours early to be late
[12:23:24] <Harelori> in real life
[12:23:25] <Harelori>
[12:23:28] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I use mine alot, that's probably why
[12:23:44] <@OpheliaBlue> 6 hours early to be late? what does that mean exactly Harelori
[12:23:47] <%RareCola> Yea I have computers in my dreams a lot, but I never notice the clocks on them! It's really weird
[12:23:54] <Harelori> ophelia
[12:23:57] <Harelori> I mean
[12:24:01] <Harelori> I was 6 hours early
[12:24:03] <Harelori> to be late
[12:24:04] <%Caenis> Same. I don't think a have a clock in my dream computers.
[12:24:09] <Harelori> I had to be there at 15:30
[12:24:14] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't have a lot of computer things in my dreams
[12:24:14] <Harelori> and it was 9
[12:24:26] <@OpheliaBlue> so how was that late
[12:24:33] <Harelori> dream logic, go figure
[12:24:39] <%RareCola> O_o
[12:24:44] <@OpheliaBlue> but you said it was in real life, so
[12:24:47] <Harelori> lol
[12:24:54] <@OpheliaBlue> your logic is all over the place
[12:24:55] <%Caenis> I have a long-distance relationship, so I'm on the computer a lot. Sometimes I'm just chatting with my fiancee on my laptop in my dream.
[12:24:58] <Harelori> I must've wrote it different than I thought
[12:25:12] <Harelori> I'll tell the story again, this time from the start
[12:25:27] <Harelori> I had to be somewhere at 15:30 PM (REAL LIFE)
[12:25:36] <Harelori> I went to bed the night before, I had a lucid dream
[12:25:49] <Harelori> In the lucid dream after a while I thought I should wake up so I won't be late
[12:26:02] <Harelori> then I woke my self up just by thinking that I need to wake up
[12:26:11] <Harelori> but it was 9:XX am
[12:26:18] <%Caenis> Oh, that's rather interesting.
[12:26:37] <%Caenis> I hope you went back to sleep. =p
[12:26:42] <@OpheliaBlue> heh yeah
[12:26:48] <Harelori> sadly I didn't
[12:27:09] <Harelori> Btw, I have a question for everyone out here
[12:27:20] <@OpheliaBlue> go for it
[12:27:38] RareCola awaits the questions
[12:27:43] <Harelori> how do you manage your DJ (online, pc,notebook [if its a notebook is it a big one or a small one], recorder ,etc...)
[12:28:02] <%RareCola> I use a notebook
[12:28:13] <%Caenis> I write my dreams down. I'll share a few on my DV DJ. I can't use a recorder, I don't function that well when I wake up. =p
[12:28:13] <@Oreoboy1996> in the morning i will right down key words in a notebook
[12:28:20] <%RareCola> I think a notebook is best personally, I tend to let my subconscious do the writing and I recall more and more as I write
[12:28:21] <DawgBone> I use a recorder at night and write it out the next day
[12:28:27] <@Oreoboy1996> and then when i stop being lazy i'll write the whole dream online
[12:28:30] <%Caenis> Tends to take a minute for me to remember how to write a proper sentence.
[12:28:50] <@OpheliaBlue> I post a snippet in the share your dreams thread, then I use the online one here on DV
[12:29:01] <Harelori> Oh, nice
[12:29:05] <Harelori> How much time does it take you to write down the dreams you had?
[12:29:15] <Harelori> It usually takes me 30mins - hour
[12:29:34] <Harelori> So when I wake up for school I use a recorder, then, when I come back I write it down in my notebook
[12:29:46] <%Caenis> About the same for me, Harelori. Depends how vivid the dreams are and how many I have though.
[12:30:22] <%RareCola> It really varies for me
[12:30:27] <%RareCola> on a good night I can easily be writing or an hour
[12:30:33] <%RareCola> for*
[12:30:44] <%RareCola> But then other nights I'm only writing for 5 minutes
[12:31:09] <Harelori> Ophelia, how long has it been since you created/had your first DJ / LD?
[12:31:20] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it can take me a good 30 minutes or more, depending on what I got
[12:31:49] <@OpheliaBlue> drives my bf nuts sometimes because I tell him "Hold on, I have to do this NOW so I don't forget details"
[12:31:59] <%RareCola> LOL
[12:32:03] <Harelori> lol
[12:32:03] <%RareCola> I'm glad I'm not in a relationship
[12:32:08] <%RareCola> I think I would drive a partner insane
[12:32:39] <@OpheliaBlue> just gotta find one with alot of patience.. Danny has it by the ton (I lucked out)
[12:33:41] <Harelori> OH
[12:33:41] <Harelori> BTW
[12:33:46] <Harelori> I WANTED TO OPEN A TOPIC ABOUT IT
[12:33:52] <@OpheliaBlue> so how detailed do you guys get when journaling
[12:33:54] <@OpheliaBlue> ok
[12:34:00] <Harelori> I think I've found one of the most brilliant ways of using the passive force
[12:34:05] <Harelori> I haven't tried it out yet
[12:34:09] <@OpheliaBlue> the what
[12:34:18] <Harelori> passive skills
[12:34:19] <%RareCola> I write down absolutely everything, I don't work well with keywords
[12:34:20] <Harelori> in a dream
[12:34:29] <@Oreoboy1996> i get very detailed with journaling i think
[12:34:30] <%RareCola> Writing down everything builds my motivation too
[12:34:33] <Harelori> Have you seen the cartoon rudys got the chalk?
[12:34:49] <Harelori> chalk zone
[12:34:51] <@Oreoboy1996> Harelori: what do you mean by passive skills?
[12:35:09] <Harelori> There's doing stuff by force
[12:35:11] <@OpheliaBlue> never seen it
[12:35:16] <Harelori> like flying, just flying, just like that
[12:35:21] <Harelori> and passive, finding a witch broom to fly
[12:35:27] <Harelori> Ophelia
[12:35:37] <@OpheliaBlue> yes?
[12:35:39] <Harelori> its a series about a kid that goes into the chalk world, hes the creator
[12:35:39] <@Oreoboy1996> oh i use a lot of passive stuff i think
[12:35:51] <Harelori> he has the magic chalk, he can draw stuff and it comes to life in that world
[12:35:56] <%Caenis> Oh right right, I remember passive force now that you mention it.
[12:35:59] <@OpheliaBlue> oh like Simon? You know my name is Simon, and I like to do drawrings
[12:36:10] <@Oreoboy1996> like i can breathe fire because i'm a dragon
[12:36:14] <Harelori> If you use the magic chalk in a dream, it'll be wonderful
[12:36:18] <Harelori> yeah oreo
[12:36:35] <@OpheliaBlue> I used chalk once to make a door, because I saw it on Beetlejuice.. it worked haha
[12:36:44] <%Caenis> That's pretty cool.
[12:36:50] <%RareCola> That's awesome
[12:37:10] <%RareCola> I want to try out Sageous' blob-moulding technique but I haven't become lucid since he posted it
[12:38:01] <@OpheliaBlue> I do remember once trying to make a duck for a raelly old TOTM, and all I could come up with was some clay
[12:38:19] <@OpheliaBlue> so I tried to mold a duck out of clay and animate it 9because we were supposed to chase it or something)
[12:38:31] <%RareCola> haha
[12:38:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I woke up before I could animate it, but I had some control over the clay still
[12:38:44] <%RareCola> yea the blob-moulding thing is similar to that
[12:38:45] <Harelori> Guys
[12:38:56] <Harelori> watch a few seconds of this video, it'll clear the chalkzone thing right up
[12:38:56] <Harelori> ChalkZone Episode 101 - Rudy&#39;s First Adventure/Rudy&#39;s Story/Bushel Full of Yum - YouTube
[12:39:09] <@OpheliaBlue> all good ideas, using chalk, clay, different tools to manipulate the dream world
[12:39:23] <@OpheliaBlue> ok Harelori thanks, I will right after class
[12:39:26] <%RareCola> I need to head off early today anyway, got some stuff to do. See you all later
[12:39:33] <@OpheliaBlue> ok see ya RareCola
[12:39:35] <%Caenis> Bye RareCola.
[12:39:37] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks as always man
[12:39:40] <DawgBone> later, RC
[12:39:40] <%RareCola> !away
[12:39:42] RareCola [[email protected]] is now known as RareCola|Away
[12:39:54] <%Caenis> I already know about ChalkZone Harelori, so I'm set.
[12:40:00] <Harelori> bye ccola
[12:40:09] <Harelori> Caenis, its a great idea isn't it?
[12:40:19] <%Caenis> It certainly could be fun!
[12:40:19] <@OpheliaBlue> oh i didn't realize Idionym and Exotiraan were in here.. HEY GUYS
[12:40:28] <Idionym> HEY
[12:40:54] <%Caenis> Idionym joined about 20 minutes ago or so. And Exotiraan is always here it seems.
[12:41:13] <@OpheliaBlue> Idionym: what "tools" do you/have you used in lucids to manipulate your environment?
[12:41:31] Exotiraan hears his name and peeks out from another terminal
[12:41:41] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: same question
[12:42:02] <@Oreoboy1996> he distracted me with chalk zone >.>
[12:42:12] <@OpheliaBlue> haha.. now I'm intrigued
[12:42:24] <@Oreoboy1996> i used to watch it a lot when i was younger
[12:43:41] <Harelori> Oreo, let me know if you use it in your next LD
[12:43:42] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: Searching around, asking people. Also, I've used a TV screen or computer monitor a few times.
[12:44:00] <@Oreoboy1996> i probably won't Harelori
[12:44:02] <@OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: how did you use the screen in the dream?
[12:44:06] <@Oreoboy1996> i'm not much of an artist
[12:44:09] <Harelori> lol
[12:44:19] <Harelori> Oreo
[12:44:37] <Harelori> you're limitless in your dreams, believe you're an artist and you'll become one
[12:44:56] <@Oreoboy1996> actually i do have a limit because i created a limit for myself
[12:44:56] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I just sort of looked into it until whatever was on it became what was actually happening.
[12:45:11] <%Caenis> That's really cool. Would the screen disappear afterward?
[12:45:12] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't enjoy having all the power
[12:45:23] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah that is really cool
[12:45:32] <Harelori> oreo that's true
[12:45:44] <Harelori> But since you've seen chalkzone you know he doesn't have all the power
[12:46:04] <DawgBone> Oreo: If you're going to be a dragon, you have to deal with power ...
[12:46:17] Exotiraan notes that that is the closest thing that he's ever gotten to a portal.
[12:46:32] <@Oreoboy1996> ?
[12:47:07] <%Caenis> Yeah, I've quickly realized that portals don't work for me currently. It all goes black. I'll try it out when I"m more experienced.
[12:47:09] <Harelori> Today I had a false awakening, and even it was a dream I got back to sleep and got into the dream I was false awakend from
[12:47:26] <@OpheliaBlue> that's seriously cool Exotiraan, and it reminds me that I don't use magic or supernatural elements in my LDs enough
[12:47:34] <@Oreoboy1996> Caenis: when i go through portals it all goes black too
[12:47:41] <@Oreoboy1996> so i create another portal
[12:47:43] <@OpheliaBlue> if I want to go outside, I walk or fly (well ok, flying is a bit supernatural since I'm human lol)
[12:48:09] <@OpheliaBlue> I never thought to try a portal, or a stargate, or even a teletransportation device, time machine etc
[12:48:13] <@Oreoboy1996> i think it's kind of like how sometimes you need to take 2 planes to get somewhere instead of one
[12:48:25] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:48:27] <%Caenis> Huh. That's an interesting idea.
[12:48:45] <@OpheliaBlue> do you ever experience a lay over?
[12:48:48] <@Oreoboy1996> the void/darkness is where you have to get off and board another plane
[12:49:22] <@Oreoboy1996> not usually >.>
[12:49:36] Exotiraan wants to try bringing a creature or person to him by sending them a message on a computer then going to meet them instead of trying to search.
[12:49:39] <@OpheliaBlue> lost luggage? P
[12:49:43] <@OpheliaBlue>
[12:49:44] <%Caenis> Maybe I'll try that next time. The LD I had yesterday, I lost the dream before I finished crossing through the portal.
[12:49:46] <@OpheliaBlue> ok i had my laugh
[12:50:06] <@OpheliaBlue> o hthe mirror one Caenis?
[12:50:07] <Exotiraan> But, first, I got to start remembering my dreams again.
[12:50:16] <%Caenis> That's a good idea, Exotiraan. Hey, how about using Control +F? =p
[12:50:27] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[12:51:14] Exotiraan still likes how well his terminals are emulated in his dreams.
[12:51:18] <%Caenis> Yeah Ophelia, the mirror. I'm tempted to try it again, but I think I'll just do something else. Maybe the train task. That seems fun.
[12:51:48] <@OpheliaBlue> I was more motivated to try the TOTM when someone else posted them
[12:51:55] <@OpheliaBlue> I think forceez is doing next month's, I hope
[12:52:11] <Exotiraan> Bash, Vim, Weechat, MPlayer, and GNU utilities all look and (usually) work like they should.
[12:52:18] <@OpheliaBlue> although the next time I see a mirror, I'm going for it
[12:52:23] <%Caenis> That's impressive, Exo!
[12:52:52] <DawgBone> Exo: I bet Emacs looks bloated and hard to use ...
[12:53:15] <Exotiraan> The machine would probably blow up if I started Emacs.
[12:53:21] <DawgBone> ha
[12:53:34] <Exotiraan> Or at least the OOM killer would fire off.
[12:53:57] OpheliaBlue has no idea what y'all are talking about
[12:54:08] <cookieh> hahah
[12:55:02] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I have a kind of random question, because I hear this alot and it relates to the basic task
[12:55:16] <@OpheliaBlue> how come so many people are afraid of mirrors in a lucid dream, if you know it's not real?
[12:55:39] <@Oreoboy1996> task of the month is great motivation
[12:56:01] <@Oreoboy1996> and for some reason people think something scary will pop out of the mirror
[12:56:22] <%Caenis> The first thing people think of is a horror movie. Logic in dreams doesn't work so well either. It's hard to make logical statements.
[12:56:49] <Exotiraan> It doesn't help that people re-tell it over and over and over again until it becomes fact.
[12:56:53] <@Oreoboy1996> you need to learn to think logically in dreams so you can become lucid
[12:57:05] <Exotiraan> "If you do $X in a dream, then $Y will happen."
[12:57:42] <@Oreoboy1996> people always said you can't change lighting in dreams
[12:57:47] <@Oreoboy1996> i can do it though
[12:57:50] <%Caenis> That's true Oreoboy1996, but I haven't found myself completely capable of rational thought in my dreams. Yet, anyway.
[12:58:46] Exotiraan 's rationality can be silly enough in waking life, and is even sillier in dreams.
[12:59:22] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I guess I can understand that.. I still have trouble getting into murkey water. I just always blamed the fact that I almost drowned as a child. But still, a dream is just a dream.
[12:59:28] <%Caenis> My past two LDs, I keep getting scared that my real body will move, or I'll speak in real life if I speak in my dreams. Logically it doesn't make sense. But it's hard to convince myself otherwise. I still don't really think in LDs, just act on whims or the first thing that pops in my head.
[12:59:37] <@OpheliaBlue> ^^^^^^
[12:59:47] <Harelori> Dream logic is messed up
[13:00:17] <@OpheliaBlue> SAME. I used to do that big time, then one time I just said "fuck it" and moved and spoke what I wanted to. It went just fine. I think it was like an obstacle.
[13:00:37] <Exotiraan> One night, I had came back in my dark room and saw a green LED flickering under my bed. There's a surge strip down there with a red LED flickering, so I thought that made green, somehow.
[13:00:40] <@OpheliaBlue> once you hurtle it, it doesn't become a problem again
[13:00:43] <%Caenis> Agreed. Have any of you found your dreaming logic to be the same as your waking logic? Or does that come with time?
[13:01:11] <DawgBone> I think reason varies from dream to dream like awareness.
[13:01:20] <Exotiraan> Then I thought about this and actually looked. It was a Wi-Fi dongle LED. I did a reality check to be sure.
[13:01:22] <@OpheliaBlue> I find that it improves over time Caenis, but it's still not 100% the same. I'll have moments in LDs where I'm fiercely aware, like in real life.
[13:01:26] <@OpheliaBlue> Then I'm like "SQUIRREL!"
[13:01:30] <Harelori> Dream logic = that grandpa is running because the balloon is flying
[13:01:40] <@OpheliaBlue> and get distracted
[13:02:07] <%Caenis> DawgBone & OpheliaBlue: I was wondering if it was like that. I was hoping it was.
[13:03:00] <@OpheliaBlue> but that's why I'm a firm believer that the more episodes of heightened awareness you have in the day, the more it will translate into your dreams, helping yuo to attain and sustain lucidity
[13:03:14] <%Caenis> It'd be a little disappointing if ALL LDs one used stupid logic and reasoning.
[13:03:31] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it would
[13:03:51] <@OpheliaBlue> I think it's definitely a dynamic thing, like any art form really
[13:04:35] <DawgBone> LDing as an art form. I like that!
[13:05:04] <%Caenis> Yeah, I think that's a better way of describing it as a science. That's why I liked Paprika, actually.
[13:05:42] <@Oreoboy1996> i suppose it's an art because i keep telling people that it's something personal that you create yourself
[13:06:12] <%Caenis> *than as a science
[13:07:50] <%Caenis> So any other questions/comments? Anyone?
[13:07:59] <@OpheliaBlue> ok I'm making bread today! so I'm going to go and log and etc
[13:08:06] <@OpheliaBlue> thanks Caenis and Oreoboy1996 as usual
[13:08:14] <%Caenis> Anytime, my dear!
[13:08:20] <@OpheliaBlue> hehe, honorary lucid coach
[13:08:20] <DawgBone> Thanks for the class!
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[13:08:26] <%Caenis> Make tasty bread!
[13:08:27] <@OpheliaBlue> no problem!
[13:08:30] <@Oreoboy1996> you're welcome lol
[13:08:48] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
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Tuesday June 12th, 8pm Chat

Spoiler for #DVA:

[20:00:28] OpheliaBlue|Away [[email protected]] is now known as OpheliaBlue
[20:00:35] <@Oreoboy1996> wb
[20:00:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I felt poking and heard whistling
[20:00:45] <%Caenis> Hey OpheliaBlue.
[20:00:49] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Caenis
[20:00:52] <Burke> it worked
[20:01:07] <@Oreoboy1996> i came up with 6 questions OpheliaBlue
[20:01:14] <%Caenis> This year's TOTY looked really cool. If I can get more experience, I'd like to try it myself.
[20:01:21] <@OpheliaBlue> awesome, well done oreo
[20:01:27] <Burke> It's a lot of fun, especially if you have trouble coming up with ideas
[20:01:45] Mindraker ate Chinese; indigestion will lead to weird dreams.
[20:01:53] <@Oreoboy1996> maybe i'll attempt to rush the task of the year if i finish my current goal early
[20:02:01] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa.. food with alot of cheese does that to me Mindraker
[20:02:04] <@OpheliaBlue> like pizza
[20:02:08] <Idionym> I need to pick a method
[20:02:27] <Burke> i believe there's 10 so if you have an average of 2 a month you should be set
[20:02:30] <@Oreoboy1996> pick whichever one sounds easiest to you Idionym
[20:02:30] <Burke> and you succeed
[20:02:41] <%Caenis> You certainly don't need to pick just one, Idionym. What are you thinking of currently?
[20:02:49] <Idionym> idk XD
[20:02:57] <Idionym> dild hasnt done anything to me
[20:03:00] <@OpheliaBlue> have you been lucid before Idionym? sorry if I forgot
[20:03:05] <Idionym> no
[20:03:15] <%Caenis> DILD/MILD will take a few months to work.
[20:03:17] <@OpheliaBlue> oh crap, how did I miss that!
[20:03:22] <@Oreoboy1996> the technique isn't supposed to do anything to you, you're supposed to do the technique >.>
[20:03:28] <Burke> xD
[20:03:39] <@OpheliaBlue> and yes to caenis and oreo
[20:03:42] <Idionym> i phrased it crappy i know
[20:04:00] <@OpheliaBlue> ever feel you got close to one Idionym?
[20:04:30] <Idionym> no
[20:04:34] <Idionym> lol
[20:04:35] <DaveTheJoker> well I am here
[20:04:49] <%Caenis> Hey Dave.
[20:04:52] <DaveTheJoker> hi
[20:04:58] <@OpheliaBlue> hi Dave
[20:05:08] <@OpheliaBlue> Idionym: ever had a false awakening?
[20:05:16] <Idionym> one
[20:05:19] <@OpheliaBlue> you know, where yuo think yuo have gotten up to start your day
[20:05:19] <Idionym> that i can remember
[20:05:26] <Idionym> ya i know
[20:05:44] <@OpheliaBlue> what happened in it?
[20:05:51] <Idionym> well
[20:06:04] <Idionym> all i remember was finding what cloths to wear
[20:06:17] <Idionym> and there was a shiny white sweatshirt
[20:06:20] <Idionym> that stuck out
[20:06:26] <Idionym> thats all i really can remember
[20:06:40] <@OpheliaBlue> I'm guessing you don't own a shiny white sweatshirt in real life?
[20:07:07] <Idionym> no
[20:07:11] <Idionym> but i do have a white one
[20:07:18] <Idionym> that i wear alot
[20:07:35] <@OpheliaBlue> but the shiny part is what stuck out, and was unusual
[20:07:52] <@OpheliaBlue> when you wake up and get out of bed, is a crucial time to practice awareness
[20:08:05] <@OpheliaBlue> look for things out of the ordinary
[20:08:27] <Idionym> ok
[20:08:35] <@OpheliaBlue> really and truly question how it got there, I mean, who would put a shiny sweatshirt in your closet?
[20:08:53] <Idionym> my mom
[20:08:57] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:09:08] <@OpheliaBlue> how old are you? sorry, curious
[20:09:12] <Idionym> 14
[20:09:23] <Idionym> almost 15 =P
[20:09:30] <Mindraker> LOL, I'm 34 and Mom still wants to buy ugly sweatshirts for me.
[20:09:31] <@Oreoboy1996> i'd say almost 13
[20:09:34] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[20:09:42] <Mindraker> It's something mothers do.
[20:09:48] <@OpheliaBlue> ok, awareness awareness awareness
[20:09:53] <Mindraker> right...
[20:10:11] <@Oreoboy1996> i say that a lot OpheliaBlue
[20:10:15] <Burke> ADA is really helpfull for DILDs jsut so you know
[20:10:23] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: 3 times in a row?
[20:10:30] <@Oreoboy1996> yes
[20:10:34] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:10:39] <DaveTheJoker> some one should get a hypnotist to record a video that suggests dream recall/lucidity
[20:10:47] <Burke> it only takes a few minutes a day so it's not hard to incorporate into your daily schedule
[20:11:00] <@OpheliaBlue> Burke: you are so right, and what I was trying to get at with Idionym, is that DILD can occur during FAs alot
[20:11:12] <@Oreoboy1996> i do it more than a few minutes a day
[20:11:17] <@OpheliaBlue> and if you really get good at it, it can lead to DEILDs
[20:11:19] <Burke> just be sure to do a RC everytime you wake up, that's my trick for FAs
[20:11:25] <@OpheliaBlue> ell yeah! ^^
[20:11:29] wana [[email protected]] has joined #DVA
[20:11:30] <Mindraker> I think that one really just needs to slow down and not rush through life in a mindless "robot"-style like we always do.
[20:11:32] <@OpheliaBlue> he wana
[20:11:37] <%Caenis> Hmmmmm. Not sure about a hypnotist. I know some other videos that allegedly help with LDs, DaveTheJoker.
[20:11:40] <wana> hi teacher
[20:11:41] <%Caenis> Hey wana.
[20:11:41] <Mindraker> Take time to smell the roses, that's all -- for "all day awareness".
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[20:12:36] <Idionym> DILD seems innconsistent though
[20:12:51] <@OpheliaBlue> Mindraker: this is true. However I like to put emphasis on the FAs, especially for beginners. Because nearly all of us have FAs at one time or another. And they can occur more frequently if you practice WBTB as well.
[20:12:53] <Burke> yeah, they can be
[20:12:54] <%Caenis> Hello Exotiraan.
[20:13:01] <Burke> any form of WILD is more reliable but is also harder to do
[20:13:01] <@Oreoboy1996> if you train your awareness properly you can make it fairly consistent
[20:13:36] <Idionym> the awareness stuff seems kinda
[20:13:37] <@OpheliaBlue> so what ways do yo train your awareness Oreoboy1996, besides DDA?
[20:13:58] <Idionym> complex?
[20:13:59] <Idionym> i guess
[20:14:14] <Burke> just try and get in tune with your senses
[20:14:24] <@OpheliaBlue> well hey let me ask you, Idionym, without looking, what color are your socks?
[20:14:25] <Burke> almost like meditation only focusing on your senses instead of clearing your mind
[20:14:30] <Idionym> black
[20:14:39] <@OpheliaBlue> what color is your mom's shirt today
[20:14:43] <%Caenis> I wouldn't call it complex. Definitely is overwhelming in the beginning. Just start with some SAT first.
[20:14:46] <Idionym> pink
[20:14:58] <Idionym> i already do SAT
[20:15:07] <@OpheliaBlue> was it cloudy or sunny this morning where you are?
[20:15:33] <@Oreoboy1996> i just constantly ask myself if i'm dreaming or if something is logical
[20:15:38] <@Oreoboy1996> always looking for dream signs
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[20:15:56] <@Oreoboy1996> mostly that sort of thing
[20:16:03] <%Caenis> Yeah, I RC and try to become more aware when I see dream signs.
[20:16:06] <Idionym> sunny
[20:16:11] <Idionym> it was sunny all day
[20:16:29] <DaveTheJoker> I ought to be more aware
[20:16:31] <Burke> lucky
[20:16:35] <Burke> it was raining all day here
[20:16:44] <@Oreoboy1996> was a light rain this morning
[20:16:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I had rain and sun back and forth
[20:16:45] <DaveTheJoker> IDK what to do not
[20:16:48] <Idionym> whats this trying to do XD
[20:16:54] <@Oreoboy1996> the very cloudy most of the day but it eventually let up
[20:16:56] <DaveTheJoker> I need to reboot my whole mind
[20:17:07] <DaveTheJoker> format and reinstall the OS
[20:17:08] <@OpheliaBlue> opening your mind to remember details
[20:17:15] <@OpheliaBlue> lol dave
[20:17:36] <@OpheliaBlue> I like to step back every so often and think of the daily details
[20:17:41] <Idionym> i can remember details well
[20:17:56] <Mindraker> It was a sunny day, but it was drizzling lightly when I was in the pool... but that was unusual enough for me to remember.
[20:18:17] <@OpheliaBlue> ooo dangerous
[20:18:53] <Mindraker> Yeah, but the hot gals were worth the risk. All day awareness mid-day-nap or flirting with the girls in the pool?
[20:18:59] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[20:19:37] <DaveTheJoker> I would pick the second
[20:20:20] <@OpheliaBlue> ok so who's ready for a pop quiz?
[20:20:24] <Idionym> me
[20:20:24] <%RareCola|Away> !back
[20:20:24] <Mindraker> Go for it
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[20:20:29] <@OpheliaBlue> yay RareCola
[20:20:32] <%RareCola> looks like I was just in time for the quiz, haha
[20:20:50] <@Oreoboy1996> so i should start asking questions now?
[20:20:55] <@OpheliaBlue> I think Oreoboy1996 has some questions. I came up with some which are probably more basic
[20:21:05] <@Oreoboy1996> yay i'm not alone then
[20:21:06] <Mindraker> So do we all shout out our answers?
[20:21:11] <@OpheliaBlue> YES! and 10 hall points for the first to answer correctly
[20:21:15] <@OpheliaBlue> yep, shout otu
[20:21:18] <Mindraker> ok
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[20:21:26] <Burke> C! the answer is C!
[20:21:28] <%Caenis> Hello Yomi.
[20:21:32] <@OpheliaBlue> hi yomi
[20:21:34] <Yomi> hi
[20:21:44] Mindraker hands a chair to yomi for the quiz
[20:21:48] <@Oreoboy1996> well the questions i came up with allowed for more detailed and varied answers
[20:21:56] <@Oreoboy1996> so i'm not sure how well that will work >.>
[20:22:05] <@Oreoboy1996> best response wins
[20:22:05] <%RareCola> Oh yes where are our pencils!! We were supposed to get them today! I demand pencils
[20:22:07] <Idionym> we can write for a second
[20:22:10] <@OpheliaBlue> oh yours are more rhetorical then?
[20:22:11] <Idionym> a minute*
[20:22:16] <Mindraker> I'd like to solve the puzzle
[20:22:18] <@Oreoboy1996> i suppose
[20:22:23] <Idionym> and after a minute we all say the awnsers we wrote
[20:22:40] <@OpheliaBlue> no it's kill or be KILLED
[20:22:46] <%RareCola> LOL
[20:22:55] <@Oreoboy1996> O_O
[20:23:03] <Burke> did I hear hunger games?
[20:23:04] <@OpheliaBlue> I'll ask an easy one for an icebreaker
[20:23:33] <Idionym> ok
[20:23:38] <Mindraker> yes?
[20:23:42] <Mindraker> lollol
[20:23:48] <%RareCola> You sure are making is suspenseful
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[20:23:51] <%RareCola> it*
[20:23:52] <frobthebuilder> sup bitches
[20:23:54] <@OpheliaBlue> Q. What does EILD stand for?
[20:23:56] <%RareCola> sup
[20:24:03] <Idionym> external induced lucid dream
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[20:24:09] Oreoboy1996 restrains himself from blurting out the answer
[20:24:28] <Evolventity> o-o
[20:24:30] <Idionym> yes?
[20:24:52] <Mindraker> Exit induced lucid dreaming?
[20:25:00] <Idionym> no
[20:25:03] <@OpheliaBlue> you're thinking DEILD
[20:25:04] <%RareCola> Electronically induced lucid dreaming?
[20:25:07] Oreoboy1996 throws Mindraker out the window
[20:25:09] <@Oreoboy1996> wrong!
[20:25:14] OpheliaBlue slaps RareCola
[20:25:23] <@Oreoboy1996> actually RareCola is right
[20:25:26] <@OpheliaBlue> no he's right
[20:25:26] <%RareCola> LOL
[20:25:31] <%RareCola> EILD is a weird one though, it can be two!
[20:25:33] <Idionym> i got it right
[20:25:36] <@OpheliaBlue> but of course he is, he's an apprentice
[20:25:38] <frobthebuilder> TOO MANY ACRONYMS
[20:25:40] <frobthebuilder> seriously
[20:25:44] <%Caenis> I thought external was right too though?
[20:25:45] <@Oreoboy1996> it can mean both externally induced or electronically induced
[20:25:47] <@OpheliaBlue> that's why it's a QUIZ
[20:25:53] <%RareCola> I've seen it used for Externally Induced Lucid Dreaming and Eectronically Induced Lucid Dreaming
[20:25:55] <Idionym> i still got it right
[20:25:55] <Mindraker> lol good job rarecola
[20:25:57] <Idionym> i got it right
[20:25:58] <@OpheliaBlue> I would have accepted bothy
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[20:25:58] <Idionym> im amazing
[20:26:01] <@OpheliaBlue> both*
[20:26:01] <DaveTheJoker> alphawaves
[20:26:04] <DaveTheJoker> do they do shit?
[20:26:09] <Idionym> so i get 10 hall points?
[20:26:14] <@Oreoboy1996> i don't know much about waves
[20:26:14] <%RareCola> Well then Idionym got it first Ophelia
[20:26:28] <Idionym> ^
[20:26:37] <Idionym> i know my shit
[20:26:37] <@OpheliaBlue> I didn't even see Idionym answer ,weird
[20:26:39] <Idionym> i just cnat do it
[20:26:42] <Idionym> lol
[20:26:49] <%RareCola> Haha that's why I answered because I was like... "is that not right?"
[20:26:58] <@OpheliaBlue> oh there it is
[20:27:04] <@OpheliaBlue> all forceez nonsense interrupted
[20:27:04] <Idionym> =P
[20:27:06] <frobthebuilder> the field of lucid dreaming has waaay too many acronyms
[20:27:14] <%Caenis> What, like binaural beats? They can. You need to wear headphones and sleep with them on though DaveTheJoker.
[20:27:15] <@OpheliaBlue> sorry, I shouldn't have slapped you RareCola
[20:27:16] <Burke> it keeps you on your toes
[20:27:20] <frobthebuilder> everyone always wants a new XXILD
[20:27:22] <@Oreoboy1996> lol
[20:27:25] <Mindraker> lol
[20:27:28] RareCola cries
[20:27:34] <@Oreoboy1996> should i ask one of my questions now?
[20:27:35] <@OpheliaBlue> haha I thought.. sklfhs nvm
[20:27:41] <@OpheliaBlue> yes oreo, go for it
[20:27:45] <%RareCola>
[20:27:47] <@OpheliaBlue> and 10 hall points for Idionym WOOHOO
[20:27:51] <Idionym> =O
[20:27:56] <@Oreoboy1996> what is a lucid dream?
[20:27:59] <Mindraker> Not going to be able to sleep with the adrenaline pumping like this
[20:28:03] <Idionym> a dream were ur counsiouys
[20:28:08] <@OpheliaBlue> lmao
[20:28:08] <Idionym> i spell it wrong
[20:28:10] <DaveTheJoker> I need to change my mind so lucid dreaming is a higher system priority
[20:28:11] <@OpheliaBlue> in english
[20:28:15] <@Oreoboy1996> lol
[20:28:17] <@OpheliaBlue> 'm messing
[20:28:19] <DaveTheJoker> my brain can allocate it more bandwith
[20:28:21] <frobthebuilder> your brain is not a computer
[20:28:28] <frobthebuilder> lol
[20:28:29] <Mindraker> A lucid dream is when you are aware that you are dreaming?
[20:28:31] <Idionym> conscious
[20:28:31] <frobthebuilder> bandwidth
[20:28:33] <DaveTheJoker> ...
[20:28:42] <Burke> dose speling cont?
[20:28:51] <@OpheliaBlue> I... am not sure how to judge there.. Oreoboy1996?
[20:28:54] <@Oreoboy1996> i'd say Mindraker had the best answer
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[20:29:03] <%RareCola> I'd agree
[20:29:12] <Idionym> wow
[20:29:17] <@OpheliaBlue> ok 10 points to Mindraker yaaay
[20:29:21] <Idionym> so anti-semetic
[20:29:25] <frobthebuilder> why are you asking them retarded questions?
[20:29:27] <@OpheliaBlue> but kudos to Idionym for hitting the button faster
[20:29:34] <Idionym> ya
[20:29:42] <@Oreoboy1996> i'm more into quality than speed
[20:29:45] <Mindraker> Ah, I'm not playing for points... I'm playing for fun.
[20:29:48] <@OpheliaBlue> rawr.
[20:29:54] <%RareCola> I have a question I can ask, if you'd like
[20:29:54] Oreoboy1996 throws Mindraker out the window again
[20:29:59] <@Oreoboy1996> you're playing for knowledge!
[20:30:02] <@OpheliaBlue> I just throw in points just kuz
[20:30:05] <Mindraker> yeah
[20:30:05] <frobthebuilder> >implying
[20:30:11] <Idionym> im playing cuz im competitive
[20:30:25] <@Oreoboy1996> go ahead RareCola
[20:30:26] <Burke> i haz a question for the quiz
[20:30:34] <Mindraker> (I'm playing to kick your asses, but that's an aside)
[20:30:37] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah go RareCola
[20:30:45] <@OpheliaBlue> and then Burke
[20:30:47] <%RareCola> Q. When you become lucid, name one of the ways you can sustain the dream.
[20:30:54] <frobthebuilder> spinning
[20:30:58] <Mindraker> Twirl around in circles!!!
[20:31:00] <Idionym> rubbing your hands together
[20:31:02] <frobthebuilder> hand rubbans
[20:31:08] <frobthebuilder> touch the ground
[20:31:10] <%RareCola> Grats frob
[20:31:13] <frobthebuilder> touch the wall
[20:31:18] <frobthebuilder> touch yourself
[20:31:20] <frobthebuilder> in ways
[20:31:22] <%RareCola> Overkill on the win
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[20:31:29] <Mindraker> lol frobthebuilder
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[20:31:42] <@OpheliaBlue> although spinning really sucks, because it can impair vision, I guess I have to award frob the points
[20:31:44] <frobthebuilder> haa
[20:31:53] <@OpheliaBlue>
[20:31:57] <frobthebuilder> spinning isn't the best for some people
[20:32:00] <%RareCola> It's still a sustain ability though
[20:32:03] <frobthebuilder> it wakes them up
[20:32:06] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah i knowwwwwwwww
[20:32:09] <@Oreoboy1996> OpheliaBlue's turn to ask a question?
[20:32:10] <Burke> it works for many though
[20:32:13] <@OpheliaBlue> burke then me
[20:32:20] <frobthebuilder> I want a turn
[20:32:27] <%RareCola> gogo Burke
[20:32:33] <@Oreoboy1996>
[20:32:36] <DaveTheJoker> go go gadget arm
[20:32:44] <%Caenis> People are more excited to ask questions than answer them, haha.
[20:32:45] <Burke> Who is considered to be one of the founders of modern lucid dreaming and wrote the book exploring the world of lucid dreaming?
[20:32:52] <frobthebuilder> stephen laberge
[20:32:54] <Idionym> stpehan labage\
[20:32:55] <DaveTheJoker> Dreamviews.com
[20:32:58] <frobthebuilder> I win
[20:32:59] <@OpheliaBlue> hahhaaa DAVE
[20:33:00] <Burke> xD
[20:33:00] <Idionym> im done
[20:33:02] <Mindraker> No clue
[20:33:10] <Burke> i like dave's answer but frob got it
[20:33:16] <DaveTheJoker> dayum
[20:33:18] <DaveTheJoker> RACIST
[20:33:18] <%Caenis> Good answer Dave!
[20:33:18] <frobthebuilder> woooooo
[20:33:23] <%RareCola> LOL
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[20:33:29] <%RareCola> Frob's typing skills are second to none
[20:33:31] <Burke> frob gets the points but dave gets a cookie
[20:33:31] <@OpheliaBlue> hey Exotiraan!
[20:33:32] <Mindraker> Sigmund Freud
[20:33:41] <%Caenis> Hello again Exotiraan, want to join in on the quiz fun now?
[20:33:49] <&InsaneInTheWave> SURPRISE CLASS INSPECTION
[20:33:51] <frobthebuilder> KWIIIZ TIME
[20:33:53] <DaveTheJoker> cookies are tasty
[20:33:54] InsaneInTheWave watches OpheliaBlue like a hawk
[20:34:12] <Mindraker> hi InsaneInTheWave
[20:34:28] <@OpheliaBlue> ok my turn, and if frob gets it, seeing as how I see he has alot of LD know how, I will disqualify him for NOT beign a student in my class!
[20:34:36] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:34:41] <frobthebuilder> I won't answer
[20:34:51] <@OpheliaBlue> ok then
[20:35:02] <@OpheliaBlue> what does VILD stand for
[20:35:06] <frobthebuilder> oooo
[20:35:08] <frobthebuilder> oooooo
[20:35:09] <DaveTheJoker> ?? VILD
[20:35:11] <frobthebuilder> grrr
[20:35:13] <Mindraker> Vision induced lucid dreaming?
[20:35:24] <Mindraker> (that was a guess)
[20:35:29] <&InsaneInTheWave> Vasectomy Induced Lucid Dream
[20:35:29] <@OpheliaBlue> ehhhh close but not quite
[20:35:31] Oreoboy1996 wants to answer
[20:35:35] <@OpheliaBlue> SHOCKWAVE
[20:35:38] Oreoboy1996 slaps himself
[20:35:41] <Burke> variable interpretations of lucid dreaming
[20:35:41] <@OpheliaBlue> the hell yo doing
[20:35:44] <&InsaneInTheWave> D:
[20:35:46] <DaveTheJoker> ...
[20:35:47] <Mindraker> Hah nice InsaneInTheWave ... too bad that's not true, InsaneInTheWave
[20:35:48] <frobthebuilder> gawd damn you guys
[20:36:01] <@Oreoboy1996> ^
[20:36:02] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah oreo and I talk abotu this all the time
[20:36:03] <&InsaneInTheWave> I'm inspecting yo' class OpheliaBlue
[20:36:12] Burke hides the drugs
[20:36:13] <frobthebuilder> you all SUKK
[20:36:17] <@OpheliaBlue> with vasectomy references?
[20:36:19] <%RareCola> LOL
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[20:36:35] <%RareCola> I think the vasectomy answer disorientated everyone
[20:36:36] <Idionym> what method should i useeeeeeeeeee
[20:36:37] <&InsaneInTheWave> point taken - I'll be less noisy in here
[20:36:40] <Idionym> idk which 1
[20:36:47] Exotiraan [Looking over replay]: Visualization-Induced Lucid Dream.
[20:36:53] <frobthebuilder> THANKS YOU
[20:37:00] <frobthebuilder> you guys are terrible
[20:37:01] <@Oreoboy1996> ehh i don't think so
[20:37:04] <@OpheliaBlue> there's one important word being left out here
[20:37:10] <@Oreoboy1996> can i say it? D:
[20:37:18] <frobthebuilder> waaat?
[20:37:19] <@OpheliaBlue> go ahead if yo're about to pop
[20:37:21] <Burke> vindication!
[20:37:22] <Mindraker> Ah, visualIZATION...
[20:37:28] <@Oreoboy1996> Visually Incubated Lucid Dream
[20:37:29] <@Oreoboy1996> pretty sure
[20:37:33] <frobthebuilder> waaaaat
[20:37:43] <@OpheliaBlue> Incubationnnnnnnnnn ladies and gentlemen, no points awarded THIS round
[20:37:49] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[20:37:49] <&InsaneInTheWave> :O
[20:37:53] <frobthebuilder> I have never heard that one
[20:37:55] <frobthebuilder> ever
[20:37:55] <%RareCola> You are learning something in this quiz, frobthebuilder
[20:37:58] <Mindraker> Meh
[20:38:00] <@Oreoboy1996> extra homework for all of you
[20:38:03] Oreoboy1996 laughs evily
[20:38:05] <@OpheliaBlue> it's in my lessons i nDVA
[20:38:09] <frobthebuilder> I'm not even in this class
[20:38:20] <%Caenis> Oreoboy1996, you technically got it wrong too. =p
[20:38:21] <@OpheliaBlue> oh but I thought you kenw everything
[20:38:34] <&InsaneInTheWave> can I ask one?
[20:38:38] <@Oreoboy1996> how?
[20:38:41] <Mindraker> We're human, we all make mistakes
[20:38:44] <@OpheliaBlue> Caenis: really?
[20:38:47] <frobthebuilder> If I knew everything, I wouldn't be in sageous' class
[20:38:54] <@OpheliaBlue> yes shock, if it's serious
[20:39:07] <%Caenis> Oh. Wait no. I thought you were specific on Incubation, rather than Incubated.
[20:39:16] <%Caenis> So I guess not.
[20:39:23] <&InsaneInTheWave> Q. What does FILD stand for, and how does it help you to gain lucidity?
[20:39:30] <@OpheliaBlue> ooo good one
[20:39:33] <&InsaneInTheWave>
[20:39:37] <frobthebuilder> finger induced lucid dream
[20:39:38] <@OpheliaBlue> I remember this one because I don't like it
[20:39:41] <Burke> i knows but i don't want to answer
[20:39:41] <&InsaneInTheWave> rofl
[20:39:43] <@OpheliaBlue> damnit FROB
[20:39:52] <Burke> btw, its a two part question
[20:39:53] <frobthebuilder> I didn't answer the second part
[20:39:53] <@Oreoboy1996> waaiiiit
[20:39:54] <%RareCola> I tried FILD once, I just fell asleep
[20:39:58] <@Oreoboy1996> what burke said
[20:40:09] <frobthebuilder> somebody else get the second one
[20:40:12] <DaveTheJoker> fucking induced lucid dream
[20:40:23] <Idionym> isnt FILD bascially a DEILD with an anchor?
[20:40:23] Oreoboy1996 throws DaveTheJoker through a steel wall
[20:40:26] <&InsaneInTheWave> Ophelia, your students know too much already
[20:40:29] <@OpheliaBlue> oh jesus I need a refill
[20:40:38] <@Oreoboy1996> Idionym: pretty much >.>
[20:40:39] <Mindraker> Never heard of FILD until today
[20:40:40] <&InsaneInTheWave> Idionym: good, you're getting there
[20:40:45] <Burke> it helps you by keeping you conscious enough to not fall asleep but it won't keep you too awake that you don't fall asleep
[20:40:46] <DaveTheJoker> I mean it would make sense
[20:40:46] <@OpheliaBlue> half the people answering are not my students InsaneInTheWave
[20:40:52] <&InsaneInTheWave> OpheliaBlue: oh!
[20:40:54] <@OpheliaBlue> !brb
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[20:41:07] <DaveTheJoker> oh shit dont put that in the log
[20:41:23] <Mindraker> lol
[20:41:35] <%Caenis> You shouldn't have said it if you didn't want it logged.
[20:41:46] <DaveTheJoker> I dont really think before I type thing
[20:41:47] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:41:48] <DaveTheJoker> *s
[20:41:49] <frobthebuilder> idiot
[20:41:54] <&InsaneInTheWave> So I'm taking charge while Ophelia is gone: can anyone tell me what an anchor is, including tell me how it works?
[20:42:09] <DaveTheJoker> you cast it off the side of a boat
[20:42:10] <@Oreoboy1996> i can
[20:42:13] <@Oreoboy1996> but i won't >.>
[20:42:13] <DaveTheJoker> and tie it to a cleat
[20:42:14] <Mindraker> It's a big metal device, attached to a chain, that sinks to the bottom of the sea?
[20:42:17] <Burke> what i said earlier
[20:42:18] <&InsaneInTheWave> -.-
[20:42:20] <frobthebuilder> an anchor allows you to keep some of your consciousness as you fall asleep
[20:42:20] <DaveTheJoker> WRONG
[20:42:25] <DaveTheJoker> It could be a rope
[20:42:28] <@Oreoboy1996> lmao
[20:42:32] <frobthebuilder> it's something that you concentrate on
[20:42:32] <&InsaneInTheWave> Burke: oh there goes my wonderfully crafted question
[20:42:35] <frobthebuilder> be it a sound
[20:42:37] <frobthebuilder> an image
[20:42:39] <frobthebuilder> breathing
[20:42:40] <frobthebuilder> etc
[20:42:55] <@OpheliaBlue|BRB> !back
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[20:42:59] <DaveTheJoker> anchors come in various sizes and shapes
[20:42:59] <frobthebuilder> do I win yet?
[20:43:03] <@Oreoboy1996> i have to agree with DaveTheJoker
[20:43:19] <DaveTheJoker> lOL
[20:43:23] <frobthebuilder> you just hate me
[20:43:28] <@Oreoboy1996> yes i do
[20:43:31] <DaveTheJoker> lol
[20:43:34] <DaveTheJoker> really
[20:43:39] <%Caenis> Can I ask a question?
[20:43:42] <DaveTheJoker> do it
[20:43:45] <@Oreoboy1996> sure
[20:43:45] RareCola sits awkwardly
[20:43:46] <Burke> pi!
[20:44:01] <Mindraker> Isn't an "anchor" like the "spinning top" in the "inception movie", just without the hollywood drama effect?
[20:44:09] <%Caenis> No, that was a totem.
[20:44:13] <Mindraker> Ah ok
[20:44:17] <Yomi> No anchor is
[20:44:18] <DaveTheJoker> question
[20:44:29] <frobthebuilder> let me ask one
[20:44:31] <frobthebuilder> pleeeeaaase
[20:44:34] <Yomi> keeps your mind focused to avoid falling asleep?
[20:44:47] <@Oreoboy1996> how come everyone suddenly wants to ask questions today?
[20:44:50] <@OpheliaBlue> oh god frob just ask
[20:44:52] <Yomi> but doesn't cause too much of a distraction.
[20:44:52] <Burke> you le tus
[20:44:58] <frobthebuilder> actually I can't think of one
[20:45:00] <Yomi> counting maybe.
[20:45:00] <frobthebuilder> carry on
[20:45:08] <Mindraker> OK I'll look it up, I got the terms mixed up :/
[20:45:10] <%Caenis> I want in! I want to ask!
[20:45:11] <@OpheliaBlue> ok who's turn is it
[20:45:11] <Yomi> Did I get it right?
[20:45:13] <%RareCola> Go ahead, Caenis
[20:45:16] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah caenis
[20:45:17] <DaveTheJoker> Caenis: ask
[20:45:18] <%Caenis> Q. Name three benefits from lucid dreaming.
[20:45:19] <frobthebuilder> WAIT
[20:45:23] <frobthebuilder> I got one after this
[20:45:24] <DaveTheJoker> hmmm
[20:45:32] <frobthebuilder> >creative skills
[20:45:40] <DaveTheJoker> awareness during the day
[20:45:41] <frobthebuilder> >freedom from police
[20:45:48] <frobthebuilder> >sexy time
[20:45:50] <frobthebuilder> there
[20:45:52] <Burke> xD
[20:45:58] <frobthebuilder> now let me ask one
[20:46:02] <DaveTheJoker> freedom
[20:46:02] <frobthebuilder> I got a good one
[20:46:08] <&InsaneInTheWave> give the other people a chance to answer the question
[20:46:11] <frobthebuilder> k
[20:46:15] <Yomi> in tuneness between subc and conscious....?
[20:46:20] <DaveTheJoker> increased focus
[20:46:28] <@Oreoboy1996> stress relief
[20:46:28] <DaveTheJoker> *abliity to focus
[20:47:01] <DaveTheJoker> !brb cheesecake
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[20:47:06] <%RareCola> Lmao
[20:47:10] <frobthebuilder> k, now let me ask one
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[20:47:24] <Burke> D: i want some cheesecake
[20:47:25] <&InsaneInTheWave> go ahead
[20:47:37] <syth406> Hey guise
[20:47:40] <@Oreoboy1996> hello syth406
[20:47:42] <Burke> hai
[20:47:45] <%Caenis> Hey syth.
[20:47:46] <&InsaneInTheWave> welcome
[20:47:47] <frobthebuilder> Q. What should you read before posting in the Attaining Lucidity subforum?
[20:47:49] <@OpheliaBlue> hey syth406
[20:48:03] Oreoboy1996 kicks frobthebuilder in the kidneys repeatedly
[20:48:06] <@OpheliaBlue> hold on, what happened to Caenis's question?
[20:48:07] <frobthebuilder> come on, you know this one
[20:48:12] <frobthebuilder> you can do it
[20:48:18] <Idionym> brb
[20:48:20] <%RareCola> He asked it and it was answered to death by Dave, Ophelia
[20:48:22] <Idionym> !BRB
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[20:48:25] <frobthebuilder> I seriously hope you know this
[20:48:28] <@Oreoboy1996> 21:45:52] <%Caenis> Q. Name three benefits from lucid dreaming.
[20:48:35] <%RareCola> The wiki
[20:48:40] <%Caenis> Technically frob answered first with sexytimes and some other silly answers.
[20:48:41] <&InsaneInTheWave> OpheliaBlue: you missed all the great answers
[20:48:42] <frobthebuilder> DING
[20:48:43] <Yomi> idk, the rules?
[20:48:44] <frobthebuilder> DING
[20:48:45] <frobthebuilder> DING
[20:48:49] <frobthebuilder> THE WIKI
[20:48:49] <Yomi> DINg
[20:48:52] <frobthebuilder> THERE WE GO
[20:49:01] <frobthebuilder> ONE PERSON KNOWS
[20:49:06] <@OpheliaBlue> InsaneInTheWave: I missed the great question I think
[20:49:11] <%RareCola> LOL
[20:49:28] <@Oreoboy1996> done complaining about that forum yet?
[20:49:32] <frobthebuilder> never.
[20:49:36] <%Caenis> Sorry Ophelia! I just couldn't wait. :p
[20:49:45] <frobthebuilder> okay whos next?
[20:49:53] <%RareCola> I have another question to ask
[20:49:58] <@OpheliaBlue> wait for what? what was the questionnnnn waaaaaah
[20:50:06] <Burke> we don't know yet
[20:50:11] <Burke> we're waiting for somebody to ask it
[20:50:13] <@OpheliaBlue> oh fudge nvm
[20:50:15] <@Oreoboy1996> should we spend the last 10 minutes on OpheliaBlue's questions?
[20:50:20] <&InsaneInTheWave> OpheliaBlue: it was this
[20:50:21] <&InsaneInTheWave> <%Caenis> Q. Name three benefits from lucid dreaming.
[20:50:23] <@OpheliaBlue> I finally found it among all the babble
[20:50:33] <Idionym|BRB> !back
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[20:50:40] <%RareCola> haha
[20:50:45] <@OpheliaBlue> no I want more oreo questions since he said he had 6
[20:50:52] <%RareCola> D:
[20:51:02] <@OpheliaBlue> oh and yuo too RareCola
[20:51:05] <@Oreoboy1996> okay
[20:51:07] <%RareCola>
[20:51:09] <@OpheliaBlue> I just meant instead of mine
[20:51:18] <@Oreoboy1996> Q. What is the importance of awareness?
[20:51:30] <frobthebuilder> it lets you realize when you're dreaming
[20:51:32] <Mindraker> Lucid dreaming's benefits are only as much as what YOU want them to be: you are more in touch with your OWN mind and subconscious; you face your own fears; you sleep better; and so on.
[20:51:45] <Burke> a bit late Mindraker
[20:51:50] <frobthebuilder> ha
[20:51:53] <%Caenis> A great answer though!
[20:51:55] <%RareCola> Good answer though
[20:51:57] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah it was
[20:51:58] <%RareCola>
[20:52:06] <%RareCola> Bonus points!
[20:52:08] <&InsaneInTheWave> awareness helps you to notice things better, and sometimes more clearly
[20:52:37] <&InsaneInTheWave> and also while you're lucid, increasing your awareness means you can get a more vivid experience
[20:52:42] <@OpheliaBlue> I think we're looking for a more in depth, less slap dash answer here
[20:52:50] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[20:52:53] <frobthebuilder> I answered
[20:53:01] <Mindraker> Well... it's a good question, but it goes hand-in-hand with "what are the benefits of sleeping better?"
[20:53:02] <@Oreoboy1996> yeah i only care about the quality of the answer really
[20:53:12] <frobthebuilder> whaaaatever
[20:53:57] <@OpheliaBlue> I'd say, the more aware you are in waking life, the more apt you are to notice things out of place quicker in a dream, and can therefore perform a necessary reality check which won't fail, whereby attaining lucidity.
[20:54:06] <%RareCola> As nobody else is answering: Awareness is important, not only because it increases the vividness of your dreams but because it allows you to pick up on the inconsistencies in the dream world generally inducing more DILDs. Awareness could also be used to sustain a lucid dream by focusing on all of your senses.
[20:54:26] <frobthebuilder> k theres your answer
[20:54:27] <@OpheliaBlue> RareCola: I officially love you dude.
[20:54:31] <@Oreoboy1996> ^
[20:54:33] <Mindraker> Very nice answer.
[20:54:36] Oreoboy1996 gives RareCola a cookie
[20:54:40] <%RareCola> Haha
[20:54:54] Mindraker gives a group hug for awesome answer
[20:54:57] InsaneInTheWave gives RareCola a muffin too.
[20:55:04] <%RareCola> Can I ask one now?
[20:55:08] <@OpheliaBlue> go for it
[20:55:10] <frobthebuilder> yes do it
[20:55:13] <syth406> And it just generally imporoves lifestyle
[20:55:24] <@OpheliaBlue> lol syth?
[20:55:34] <@Oreoboy1996> lmao syth
[20:55:43] <%RareCola> Q. Although lucid dreaming has only become more popular in the modern world in the last few decades, it has actually been around for much longer. Who were the first known practitioners of lucid dreaming and what were the techniques they practiced?
[20:55:47] <@Oreoboy1996> i think he was still on Caenis
[20:55:56] <frobthebuilder> the dream yogi's?
[20:55:57] <@OpheliaBlue> oh dayamn
[20:55:58] <Burke> no google allowed
[20:56:03] <frobthebuilder> they did like
[20:56:05] <frobthebuilder> WILD
[20:56:07] <frobthebuilder> I think
[20:56:11] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah I would for sure have to google that one
[20:56:16] <%RareCola> ~wrong
[20:56:20] <frobthebuilder> fack
[20:56:25] <frobthebuilder> Sigmund Frued
[20:56:26] <Mindraker> Sigmund Freud?
[20:56:27] <@OpheliaBlue> lol
[20:56:29] <Burke> lmao
[20:56:29] <@Oreoboy1996> i was the first lucid dreamer of course >.>
[20:56:35] <@OpheliaBlue> ofcourse
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[20:56:46] <@OpheliaBlue> awwww
[20:56:46] <Mindraker> OK folks I'm heading off to bed, sleep tight everyone.
[20:56:50] <Idionym> tibeten monks
[20:56:52] <@OpheliaBlue> see ya Mindraker
[20:56:57] <%Caenis> I'm sure it was monks, but I don't remember who. Something with a t.
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[20:57:04] <%RareCola> First part correct by Idionym
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[20:57:15] <Idionym> oh ya
[20:57:20] <%RareCola> Although it was technically the Tibetan Buddhists, but close enough
[20:57:23] <Mindraker> nice night
[20:57:24] <Burke> OBE?
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[20:57:28] <&OldSparta> GOtta do everything for ya InsaneInTheWave
[20:57:30] <%RareCola> What about the techniques they practiced?
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[20:57:37] <Burke> for technique
[20:57:38] <@OpheliaBlue> wb syth
[20:57:47] <syth406> iPod app crashed
[20:57:48] <@OpheliaBlue> my guess would be WILD
[20:57:53] <@OpheliaBlue> but it's just a geuss
[20:57:55] <frobthebuilder> it was DEFINITELY Sigmund Frued
[20:58:03] <%RareCola> We have a course in DVA for one of the techniques at the moment
[20:58:09] <@Oreoboy1996> since we're somewhere near the topic, i'll ask another one of my questions
[20:58:13] <syth406> Missed the question
[20:58:13] Caenis puts just a little bit of duct tape on frob's fingers.
[20:58:16] <@OpheliaBlue> oh I didn't know Freud was a tibetan buddhist
[20:58:17] <@Oreoboy1996> what is the difference between DILD and WILD
[20:58:22] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[20:58:23] <frobthebuilder> HA
[20:58:24] <frobthebuilder> HA
[20:58:24] <frobthebuilder> HA
[20:58:30] <Burke> a 'D' and a 'W'
[20:58:32] <frobthebuilder> don't even make em answer this one
[20:58:34] <frobthebuilder> me
[20:58:37] <syth406> I did
[20:58:39] <@Oreoboy1996> can i kick him yet? >.>
[20:58:47] <&InsaneInTheWave> the next time
[20:58:50] <@OpheliaBlue> oh every class needs a class clown
[20:58:58] RareCola gives frobthebuilder a dunce hat
[20:59:03] <@Oreoboy1996> not really a clown, just a pain in the ass >.>
[20:59:07] <Burke> RareCola: they practiced DILD
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[20:59:13] <frobthebuilder> I'm not gonna answer this one
[20:59:16] <frobthebuilder> juuust sayin
[20:59:22] <Burke> note: does it have to be specific technique or no?
[20:59:26] <%RareCola> And as nobody answered the second part of my question, it was Sleep Yoga & Dream Yoga
[20:59:27] <DaveTheJoker|BRB> !back
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[20:59:31] <DaveTheJoker> yummy cheasecake
[20:59:33] <@OpheliaBlue> ohhhhhhhhhh
[20:59:46] <@OpheliaBlue> like a meditation type of WILDy thing?
[21:00:00] <%RareCola> Somewhat, yea
[21:00:06] <Burke> i thought it was meditation while in a dream
[21:00:08] <DaveTheJoker> where the wildy things are
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[21:00:10] <@OpheliaBlue> so I was the closest!
[21:00:11] <Burke> to better achieve enlightenment
[21:00:23] <%Caenis> RareCola: I thought someone said dream yogi's for in response to your first question. So that kind of counts toward your second part.
[21:00:25] <&InsaneInTheWave> DILD is when you realize that you're dreaming, during a dream, either through the feel of the dream, other factors, or through a technique like MILD. However, WILD is when you enter the dream knowing that you're dreaming, from your awake state. This involves being conscious during sleep paralysis
[21:00:33] <frobthebuilder> k he got it
[21:00:36] <syth406> Hey are there any teas that I can get easily that have some cool dream effects?
[21:00:37] <frobthebuilder> lets move on
[21:00:40] <@OpheliaBlue> no because it was Frob, Caenis, and his answers do not count
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[21:00:48] <+dreamerJon23> hey guys
[21:00:51] <Burke> hola
[21:00:51] <%Caenis> Ooooooooooh. Didn't realize it was him. Got it.
[21:00:57] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[21:00:58] <%RareCola> Haha and it was the dream yogis who were the first practitioners anyway
[21:01:02] <%RareCola> that's the part he was answering
[21:01:02] <+dreamerJon23> hi Ophie
[21:01:03] <DaveTheJoker> another question
[21:01:04] <%Caenis> Hey dreamerJon23. You're a little late unfortunately.
[21:01:04] <@Oreoboy1996> InsaneInTheWave got it right
[21:01:05] <frobthebuilder> I hate you guys
[21:01:07] <@OpheliaBlue> hey DreamBot
[21:01:08] <DaveTheJoker> maybe I will know onoe
[21:01:09] <&InsaneInTheWave>
[21:01:09] <@OpheliaBlue> oops
[21:01:12] <@OpheliaBlue> dreamerJon23:
[21:01:17] <+dreamerJon23> D:
[21:01:18] <@OpheliaBlue> hai
[21:01:24] <+dreamerJon23> I had a game
[21:01:27] <+dreamerJon23> just got back
[21:01:28] <@OpheliaBlue> class is over, go home everyone
[21:01:35] <+dreamerJon23> lolol
[21:01:35] <DaveTheJoker> yay!!!
[21:01:37] <@Oreoboy1996> we should do pop quizes more often
[21:01:38] <frobthebuilder> this is a class?
[21:01:39] <+dreamerJon23> ^^
[21:01:41] <DaveTheJoker> SCHOOLS OUT FOR SUMMER
[21:01:43] <+dreamerJon23> hi Oreoboy1996
[21:01:44] <@Oreoboy1996> since it makes everyone ask questions...
[21:01:48] <%RareCola> 'Twas fun tonight
[21:01:49] <@OpheliaBlue> you said that last time frobthebuilder
[21:01:50] <@Oreoboy1996> hello dreamerJon23
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[21:01:55] <frobthebuilder> ha
[21:01:56] <@OpheliaBlue> yes it was, and yes we will
[21:02:00] <frobthebuilder> my material is getting stale
[21:02:00] <+dreamerJon23> what did you guys learn?
[21:02:07] <DaveTheJoker> well we got no class
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[21:02:19] <%RareCola> Frob learnt that he can be wrong
[21:02:21] <@Oreoboy1996> i think we learned things mostly pertaining to awareness
[21:02:22] <%RareCola>
[21:02:24] <@OpheliaBlue> hahaa
[21:02:27] <@Oreoboy1996> and that
[21:02:29] <+dreamerJon23> coo,
[21:02:30] <DaveTheJoker> and we got no principals
[21:02:38] <%Caenis> I'm a classy sonovabitch, I don't know what you're talking about DaveTheJoker.
[21:02:58] <@OpheliaBlue> yeah what's up there Dave
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[21:03:15] <DaveTheJoker> no more pencils
[21:03:15] <DaveTheJoker> no more books
[21:03:15] <frobthebuilder> no more teachers dirty looks
[21:03:15] <DaveTheJoker> no more teachers dirty looks
[21:03:15] <frobthebuilder> gotcha
[21:03:18] <+dreamerJon23> have a nice night everyone
[21:03:22] <+dreamerJon23> later
[21:03:24] <DaveTheJoker> I'm use youre not giving me dirty looks OpheliaBlue
[21:03:26] <Burke> g'night
[21:03:28] <DaveTheJoker> *sure
[21:03:30] <@OpheliaBlue> oh he's talkign abotu his actual school
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[21:03:35] <DaveTheJoker> nope
[21:03:37] <frobthebuilder> it's a song
[21:03:40] <frobthebuilder> a stupid one
[21:03:41] <Burke> speaking of which, I'm done
[21:03:43] Burke dances
[21:03:51] <@OpheliaBlue> ok and it was confused looks at any rate
[21:03:51] <DaveTheJoker> I graduated last sunday
[21:03:59] <@OpheliaBlue> congrats!
[21:04:01] <DaveTheJoker> thx
[21:04:18] Burke claps for any graduates this year that are present.
[21:04:18] <@Oreoboy1996> DaveTheJoker: didn't we tell you no more lyrics? >.>
[21:04:23] <@OpheliaBlue> Oreoboy1996: save the rest of your questions for next time!
[21:04:25] <%Caenis> !brb moving D'Brickashaw and cleaning his area
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[21:04:29] <@Oreoboy1996> alright OpheliaBlue
[21:04:39] <@OpheliaBlue> Brickashawwwww
[21:04:40] <DaveTheJoker> alright
[21:04:45] <@OpheliaBlue> I love that little duck pooper
[21:04:52] <%Caenis|BRB> God it poops too much.
[21:04:52] <%RareCola> After pop quiz fun, maybe I'll actually become lucid tonight :l
[21:04:56] <DaveTheJoker> I need to figure out how to reboot my brain into lucid dreaming safe mode
[21:05:04] <&InsaneInTheWave> out-of-class question for the brave of heart: Discuss whether you consider DEILD to be a form of WILD, or whether you think it's different
[21:05:07] <@OpheliaBlue> We shall all become lucid.
[21:05:18] <@Oreoboy1996> so i guess we should ask questions ourselves more than the students?
[21:05:27] <%RareCola> DEILD is technically just a WILD, it's still wake-induced.
[21:05:40] <%RareCola> It's just easier to refer to it as DEILD than a WILD that is induced after waking from a dream
[21:05:46] <DaveTheJoker> I think I will go through my DJ before bed to try and bring them into my mind
[21:05:46] <@OpheliaBlue> the onset of DEILD isn't necessarily a WILD, but subsequent LD chains are i nthe WILD format
[21:06:39] <@Oreoboy1996> i think i'll go back to learning stuff now unless something here catches my attention
[21:06:40] <frobthebuilder> DEILD is certainly a form of WILD
[21:06:41] <frobthebuilder> but
[21:06:47] <frobthebuilder> it's more like WILD-lite
[21:06:59] <frobthebuilder> since you only go through the later stages
[21:07:22] <%RareCola> you could say.. DEILD is a wilder form of WILDing
[21:07:32] <frobthebuilder> no, it's a less WILD form
[21:07:33] <&InsaneInTheWave> so it kind of boils down to: should we consider being conscious in SP, awake?
[21:07:34] <Burke> i c what u did thar
[21:07:47] <&InsaneInTheWave> because we don't consider being conscious in a dream, awake
[21:07:48] <frobthebuilder> it's like WILD, but not as wild
[21:07:53] <@OpheliaBlue> I..... agree with frob O_O
[21:08:03] <frobthebuilder> oh hoh hoh
[21:08:06] <&InsaneInTheWave> lol
[21:08:11] <frobthebuilder> never thought that would happen, did ya?
[21:08:12] <DaveTheJoker> lol frob
[21:08:19] <%RareCola> Eh I'd say it's more wild because you're thrown into a dream in seconds
[21:08:23] <@OpheliaBlue> not in a million lifetimes
[21:08:28] <frobthebuilder> hah
[21:08:30] <%RareCola> laying there motionless for a while isn't very wild
[21:08:41] <frobthebuilder> you do have a point
[21:08:42] <frobthebuilder> but
[21:08:49] <frobthebuilder> laying there is an additional portion
[21:08:55] <@Oreoboy1996> DEILD = fast paced WILD that goes straight into the later stages
[21:08:57] <&InsaneInTheWave> RareCola: unless you have a sexy woman on top of you in your hallucinations
[21:09:05] <frobthebuilder> DEILD is just like doing the second half of WILD
[21:09:06] <@Oreoboy1996> pretty sure that sums it up
[21:09:08] <%RareCola> Lmao Shock
[21:09:13] <@OpheliaBlue> those were my first DEILDs InsaneInTheWave
[21:09:18] <@OpheliaBlue> major making out
[21:09:22] <frobthebuilder> But I'm not very good at DEILD
[21:09:26] <&InsaneInTheWave> you had a sexy *woman* on top of you, OpheliaBlue ??
[21:09:26] <frobthebuilder> I end up just laying there
[21:09:33] <frobthebuilder> awake
[21:09:33] <@OpheliaBlue> oh you little buttmonkey
[21:09:36] <&InsaneInTheWave>
[21:09:43] <%RareCola> I'm not great at DEILDs either, I can only do them after waking from a DILD
[21:09:45] <%RareCola> Need to practice
[21:09:48] <frobthebuilder> mmhmm
[21:09:54] <%RareCola> OpheliaBlue: Write a DEILD guide!
[21:10:00] <frobthebuilder> If sageous is as good as he seems
[21:10:05] <@OpheliaBlue> ok my son is clamoring for cupcakes
[21:10:07] <frobthebuilder> I should be able to WILD in no time
[21:10:10] <@OpheliaBlue> me??
[21:10:19] <@OpheliaBlue> I dunno.. my DEILDs are funky
[21:10:28] <%RareCola> yea I think WILDing comes next week in Sageous' class, frobthebuilder
[21:10:28] <frobthebuilder> with a success rate above 0%
[21:10:36] <frobthebuilder> aw yeaaah
[21:10:37] <%RareCola> Even so OpheliaBlue, you've been DEILDing for years
[21:10:40] <%RareCola> lots of experience
[21:10:41] <@OpheliaBlue> I would need a partner for sure
[21:11:01] InsaneInTheWave calls Oreoboy1996
[21:11:11] <@OpheliaBlue> haha
[21:11:24] <@OpheliaBlue> preferably a partner who had to work at it to figure it out like I did
[21:11:31] <@OpheliaBlue> a non-natural
[21:11:39] <%RareCola> I don't know anyone else who's really well-versed in DEILDing
[21:11:41] <frobthebuilder> I hate naturals
[21:11:48] <@OpheliaBlue> anyway, cupcakessssss or death
[21:11:52] <&InsaneInTheWave> lol
[21:11:53] <@OpheliaBlue> slash Eddie Izzard
[21:11:58] <@OpheliaBlue> !away
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[21:12:01] Burke waves at RareCola
[21:12:06] <%RareCola> It's sad beacuse I don't think naturals really appreciate lucid dreaming as much
[21:12:10] <frobthebuilder> yep
[21:12:15] <@OpheliaBlue|Away> awesome class, thanks y'all
[21:12:22] RareCola eats Burke's hand
[21:12:23] <@OpheliaBlue|Away> and yes RareCola, true soemtimes
[21:12:23] <&InsaneInTheWave> RareCola: well life's like that in general
[21:12:25] <DaveTheJoker> thanks OpheliaBlue|Away
[21:12:26] <Burke> D:
[21:12:29] <@Oreoboy1996> hmm?
[21:12:34] <@Oreoboy1996> what do you need?
[21:12:41] <&InsaneInTheWave> we don't appreciate computers as much as people who have never owned or used a computer
[21:12:54] <%RareCola> !brb for a bit too
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[21:13:19] <DaveTheJoker> are there any lucid dreaming recordings
[21:13:20] <@Oreoboy1996> i take offense to that frob
[21:13:22] <frobthebuilder> I know I do
[21:13:35] <frobthebuilder> that's why I said it
[21:14:29] <Burke> @dave what do you mean?
[21:14:45] <DaveTheJoker> like ummm
[21:14:57] <Burke> visual? audio?
[21:15:01] <Burke> brainwaves?
[21:15:03] <DaveTheJoker> audio
[21:15:09] <Burke> no, there aren't
[21:15:14] <DaveTheJoker> like stuff that imprints on your brain
[21:15:21] <Burke> although there are people working to create sounds form brain waves
[21:15:36] <Burke> they've done it with very short sentences but they were very murky and hard to understand
[21:15:47] <frobthebuilder> they also did it with images
[21:15:54] <@Oreoboy1996> going to attempt to create a custom map for a game
[21:16:01] <frobthebuilder> the images were really fuzzy though
[21:16:06] <frobthebuilder> but it worked
[21:16:09] <DaveTheJoker> ever heard of this "Lucid Dreaming World-Collective uncoscious mind"
[21:16:13] <Burke> yeah, it will probably become more advanced though
[21:16:15] <Burke> and yes
[21:16:15] <frobthebuilder> they resembled what they were seeing
[21:16:17] <@Oreoboy1996> i guess i should plan/draw it out in my mind first...
[21:16:19] <DaveTheJoker> Pure music for lucid dreaming
[21:16:34] <Burke> oh, im thinking of something else then dave
[21:16:51] <DaveTheJoker> it looks lame
[21:16:57] <DaveTheJoker> anyway
[21:18:20] <DaveTheJoker> I am going to try reading through my DJ right before bed
[21:18:26] <DaveTheJoker> maybe that will trigger my mind
[21:18:40] <DaveTheJoker> and then write down a mantra like 30 times
[21:19:17] <Evolventity> did class start
[21:19:20] <DaveTheJoker> and then hypnotize myself for vividness
[21:19:27] <DaveTheJoker> lol Evolventity
[21:19:28] <frobthebuilder> class is over
[21:19:41] <Evolventity> oh okay
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[21:21:21] <Burke> it starts at 8 CST, or GMT -6
[21:21:32] <DaveTheJoker> *started
[21:21:38] <DaveTheJoker> oh well nm
[21:21:44] <frobthebuilder> wait, this was a class?
[21:21:57] <Burke> more of a discussion but yes, a DVA class
[21:30:47] <Yomi> hm
[21:30:58] <Yomi> if it's a discussion, can i ask a question?
[21:34:35] <%RareCola|BRB> !back
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[21:34:40] <%RareCola> Class is over, but feel free to ask a question
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[21:35:23] <Yomi> recalling lucids...should it be something like recalling a memory from WL?
[21:35:55] <Yomi> Or just more vividly than regular non-lucids?
[21:36:04] <%RareCola> Yea, if you're having a really good lucid it can feel like you're recalling a WL memory from say, 15 minutes ago
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[21:36:54] <%RareCola> With non-lucids it's pretty common to get vagueness, or blanks in the recall
[21:37:03] <%RareCola> it's not like that with lucids, you recall it all like a normal memory
[21:37:07] <Burke> btw RareCola i heard you were thinking about DEILDs. If you have any questions I can try to answer them for you since that's my main technique
[21:37:14] <Yomi> RareCola: thank you. I'd been wondering that for quite awhile. That's good to know.
[21:37:26] <frobthebuilder> I don't even GOOD at DEILD
[21:37:26] <%RareCola> Ah is that why you waved earlier Burke?
[21:37:34] <Burke> yes
[21:37:44] <%RareCola> I've had 2 DEILDs before, but I've only induced them after waking from a DILD
[21:37:57] <Burke> that's the easiest but they can be done from normal dreams too
[21:37:58] <%RareCola> I can never remember to do it when normally waking, let alone stay still
[21:37:59] <frobthebuilder>
[21:38:02] <frobthebuilder> guess who i am
[21:38:07] <frobthebuilder> (you guys)
[21:38:30] <Burke> a trick I do is to train myself to recognize when normal dreams are fading
[21:38:41] <Burke> often it happens when I'm about to wake up
[21:39:03] <%RareCola> How does one train theirselves to recognise when a normal is fading
[21:39:44] <Burke> i just imagine the feeling of a dream fading for a couple minutes before falling asleep
[21:39:56] <frobthebuilder> ha
[21:39:57] <Burke> you've probably felt it before with LDs
[21:40:02] <frobthebuilder> I know how that is
[21:40:10] <frobthebuilder> "FUCK I CAN'T SEE"
[21:40:12] <Burke> when it goes all fuzzy and you feel like you're blacking out
[21:40:46] <%RareCola> Yea, you still get that with non-lucids?
[21:40:49] <%RareCola> I've never noticed it
[21:40:51] <Burke> yep
[21:40:53] <frobthebuilder> Me either
[21:41:07] <Burke> it's like getting lucid for 2 seconds before the dreams ends
[21:41:13] <Burke> this allows you to prepare for the DEILD
[21:41:23] <%RareCola> My non-lucids are filled with scene changes and such. I'm always hopping the fuck all over the place but that's always instant
[21:41:37] <%RareCola> That's a good tip though, Burke
[21:41:57] <%RareCola> so you basically incubate the dream fading?
[21:41:58] <Burke> it's most noticable when you're about to wake up
[21:42:01] <Burke> yep
[21:42:25] <%RareCola> I'll try that, thanks
[21:42:43] <Yomi> Hm.
[21:42:49] <Burke> other then that it's just try not to wake up too much
[21:43:07] <frobthebuilder> now that's not easy
[21:43:12] <frobthebuilder> for me at least
[21:43:12] <Burke> if you become too aware you'll end up not being able to fall back asleep and it will besically be a WILD
[21:43:12] <%RareCola> Try not to wake up too much?
[21:43:16] <Yomi> I seem to have a very easy time going into SP when I'm not focusing on it.
[21:43:25] <%RareCola> Oh right
[21:43:35] <Burke> just don't focus on anything
[21:43:38] <%RareCola> Yea that's what I have issues with too
[21:43:44] <Burke> basically it's like skipping to a WILD in the SP phase
[21:43:45] <Yomi> But then, it cancels out rather quickly afterwards.
[21:43:56] <Burke> and then skipping a lot of the HI and stuff
[21:44:19] <%RareCola> I can easily not focus and drift into a DEILD after exiting a DILD because that consciousness is already there
[21:44:29] <Yomi> but then, what happens afterwards?
[21:44:30] <%RareCola> but my consciousness can take ages to kick in after waking normally sometimes
[21:44:58] <Burke> Yomi: its just like a WILD, the dream starts to form around you but it's much faster since you were already in it
[21:45:07] <Yomi> I haven't gotten past that stage yet, to whatever lies beyond. Oh.
[21:45:13] <Burke> and after you feel comfortable you can start to move around and to w/e
[21:45:45] <Burke> RareCola: the other morning I woke up at like 4AM and had to use the bathroom. I stayed as sleep as I could so that I could try a WILD
[21:46:00] <Burke> i pretty much kept my eyes completely closed except for the smallest sliver
[21:46:03] <Burke> and just kept my mind on LDs
[21:46:13] <Burke> It's the same only you don't get up or move around
[21:46:24] <Burke> think about LDs and the dream you just came from
[21:46:39] <Burke> Almost like the dream fading in reverse so that it comes back to you
[21:46:58] <%RareCola> Yea I don't think I'd have any problems with that part
[21:47:03] <%RareCola> I don't when I've DEILDed out of DILDs
[21:47:16] <%RareCola> It's just the initial waking up
[21:47:35] <%RareCola> I'll practice it for a while and see how it goes. Probably be sacrificing dream recall for a bit though
[21:47:38] <Burke> it may just be me but whenever a dream fades it takes about 5 seconds
[21:47:48] <Burke> in that 5 seconds I'll be aware of both my dream body and waking body
[21:48:02] <Burke> so I'll just focus on my waking body while keeping the dream body close by
[21:48:04] <frobthebuilder> that happens to me sometimes when I wake up from an LD
[21:48:07] <frobthebuilder> also
[21:48:12] <Burke> and then switch focus to my dream body once i'm awake
[21:48:12] <frobthebuilder> sometimes I hallucinate spiders
[21:48:22] <frobthebuilder> lots of them
[21:48:34] <frobthebuilder> everywhere
[21:48:37] <Burke> are you an arachnaphobiac?
[21:48:40] <frobthebuilder> nope
[21:48:44] <frobthebuilder> I love spiders
[21:48:47] <frobthebuilder> they are my friends
[21:48:49] <Burke> then it should be fun for you xD
[21:48:51] <%RareCola> That's another point, if I wake up from a really good dream I always want to record it in my journal... do you just resolve to sacrifice that dream in favour of trying to DEILD? I feel like that might bug me
[21:48:53] <frobthebuilder> pfft
[21:48:54] <frobthebuilder> no
[21:49:01] <frobthebuilder> not when there's 100 of them in my bed
[21:49:09] <frobthebuilder> yep
[21:49:11] <frobthebuilder> you do
[21:49:29] <Burke> RareCola: I find that whenever I DEILD from a LD I can remember the first LD even if i don't have a successful DEILD
[21:49:35] <Burke> because it's like a waking memory at that point
[21:49:41] <Burke> like you remember what you ate for dinner
[21:49:51] <%RareCola> yea DEILDing from an LD isn't a problem
[21:49:54] <%RareCola> I'm talking about a normal dream
[21:50:09] <Burke> in that case I'll sacrifice one dream entry for a chance at a LD
[21:50:18] <%RareCola> Heh
[21:50:21] <Burke> since when I wake up for real I'll probably remember another one
[21:50:31] <%RareCola> Guess I'll just have to get over not journalling it
[21:50:41] <Burke> it's a chance but it pays off
[21:50:58] <Burke> whenever I get in the DIELD state I have about a 90% success rate
[21:51:14] <Burke> I think a little over 50 of my LDs have been DIELDs
[21:51:20] <Burke> and only a few have failed
[21:52:22] <%RareCola> Well I'll definitely give it a go
[21:52:24] <%RareCola> thanks again
[21:52:41] <Burke> np and good luck :
[21:52:43] <Burke>
[21:56:49] <frobthebuilder> I always have to pee when I wake up
[21:56:53] <frobthebuilder> so that's a problem
[21:57:00] <Yomi> frobthebuilder: I have to pee so bad right now.
[21:57:07] <Yomi> I can't take it anymore!
[21:57:17] Yomi is on a piss break!
[21:58:00] <%RareCola> Anyway
[21:58:03] <%RareCola> I'm heading off to bed
[21:58:07] <%RareCola> G'night all!
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[21:58:25] <frobthebuilder> niight
[21:58:40] <%Caenis|BRB> !back
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[21:59:39] <Yomi> alright. that's much better!
[22:00:13] <frobthebuilder> k
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