Is psychokenisis learnable?

So....oh I'm annoyed now. I don't believe how gullible some of you people are. And how quick you are to believe something just because you [I]want[I] it to be true. There's no evidence for psychokenisis, or whatever you want to call it, and it has been almost completely disregarded in the world of science, and facts. This alone should be enough to convince people that it's a load of....well, you already know what I think.

And someone said they could present a scientific way that this can be achieved? Then please...go ahead. If you think there's any way that nothing more than thoughts can move stuff, I very much look forward to seeing this evidence of yours.

Don't fall for those youtube videos. Be smart. If psychokenisis was documented on video, I don't think youtube would be the way to break it to the world.

And, it's not wise to call people closed minded because they don't accept something that has never, and probably will never be proved in any regard, simply because you're willing to jump at any idea that science doesn't agree with.

Brains emit brainwaves. Brainwaves are physical things. Waves. They could theoretically touch matter and make it do something.

I read somewhere that studies have shown that whenever a subject claimed that they were doing telekinesis, their brain was emitting theta waves (not normal) at around 7 Hz. All of them.

Does that mean nothing? I say it's unusual. When people are active, they emit alpha waves. When they are sleeping (dreaming) they emit beta waves. Theta waves are unusual (emitted while in an almost trance-like state mere moments before you fall asleep and switch to beta waves).

That seems significant to me.

I don't care if you believe in telekinesis or not, just don't flame over it. That is all I have to say.

I'm not putting down non-believers. :meditate:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...69920557391806

Logic is much more reliable than trust.

You can believe whatever you want, but it is wise to not trust others without evidence.

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Originally Posted by KingYetiTeffa

So....oh I'm annoyed now. I don't believe how gullible some of you people are. And how quick you are to believe something just because you [I]want[I] it to be true. There's no evidence for psychokenisis, or whatever you want to call it, and it has been almost completely disregarded in the world of science, and facts. This alone should be enough to convince people that it's a load of....well, you already know what I think.

And someone said they could present a scientific way that this can be achieved? Then please...go ahead. If you think there's any way that nothing more than thoughts can move stuff, I very much look forward to seeing this evidence of yours.

Don't fall for those youtube videos. Be smart. If psychokenisis was documented on video, I don't think youtube would be the way to break it to the world.

And, it's not wise to call people closed minded because they don't accept something that has never, and probably will never be proved in any regard, simply because you're willing to jump at any idea that science doesn't agree with.

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There's not enough evidence either way to prove or to disprove it.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Everyone is trying to prove something here, and yet no one has any evidence either way lol :D

I don't care about the evidence, i believe it is possible.

I believe that our brains are way too unknown to us, for us to say one way or another that its possible or not possible.

I believe it is possible not because i have proof it is, but because belief is a very strong force. If it is possible to do this type of stuff. We are never going to be able to do it, if we don't believe we can.(plus does it really hurt to believe in it, as long as you don't let it over take your life ? :) )

Also, if people could really do this stuff, i think there would be a bit more media coverage on it. Because this would be big news :)

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

There's not enough evidence either way to prove or to disprove it.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Everyone is trying to prove something here, and yet no one has any evidence either way lol :D

I don't care about the evidence, i believe it is possible.

I believe that our brains are way too unknown to us, for us to say one way or another that its possible or not possible.

I believe it is possible not because i have proof it is, but because belief is a very strong force. If it is possible to do this type of stuff. We are never going to be able to do it, if we don't believe we can.(plus does it really hurt to believe in it, as long as you don't let it over take your life ? :) )

Also, if people could really do this stuff, i think there would be a bit more media coverage on it. Because this would be big news :)

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There is another way of looking at all of this. It's not my idea, I think I read the idea on another Lucidity forum a few years ago.

If psychic powers exist, then why do we not see it in the animal kingdom?
After all, we have proven animals to use some very peculiar ways of interacting with the world and communicating with those around them.

Sonar is a prime example. Humans do not have a natural sonar ability, but many animals do.

The point is, Evolution is an arms race, the creature with the most effective abilities has the advantage and goes on to breed. So this is why we see such diverse skills, bodies and sensory interactions in the natural world.

If psychic ability were to exist then we would almost certainly see natural selection/evolution take advantage of this in at least one species on our planet.


I mean, nature has taken advantage of: Electricity, the earths magnetic field, Sonar, infra red, ultra violet etc. etc.
In fact electricity and sonar were being used by animals many many years before humans even knew they existed!

And the argument is not "It does exist in nature, we just dont know where to look" or "We wouldn't recognise it"
Because we WOULD have seen this, there have been intense studies into the animal kingdom, this is why we know about things like Bats using Sonar etc.
And we WOULD recognise a psychic animal... the snake that can kill it's prey just by looking at it, the prey that could escape an approaching predator before it was visible... WE DONT SEE THESE THINGS IN NATURE.

Why?

I'm not against the idea of psychic abilities. I would love for them to be genuine. But the lack of any animal in the natural world using the ability, means one of three things:
either,
1) there is no such ability to take advantage of.
2)psychic powers are so weak or uncertain that they offer no advantage.
3)Psychic powers have for some reason not been stumbled across by the evolutionary process, in which case, nobody would have such abilities (but they potentialy could be possible on another planet)

All 3 answers would pretty much lead you to conclude that psychic powers are either non existant, impossible due to our biological heritage, or so weak and unpredictable that they are essentially worthless.

This is a real shame, because i'd love to be able to move things with my mind or read thoughts. However, If a Zebra cant "read the mind" of an approaching predator when it is a life or death situation, me wanting to make the pencil fall of the desk with my mind seems really tame in comparison.
So i'll just accept that, on this planet at least, it is highly unlikely that psychic powers exist.

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

And the argument is not "It does exist in nature, we just dont know where to look" or "We wouldn't recognise it"
Because we WOULD have seen this, there have been intense studies into the animal kingdom, this is why we know about things like Bats using Sonar etc.
And we WOULD recognise a psychic animal... the snake that can kill it's prey just by looking at it, the prey that could escape an approaching predator before it was visible... WE DONT SEE THESE THINGS IN NATURE.

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You're saying that as if the whole world has been explained by now, which is not true. The point is:

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

In fact electricity and sonar were being used by animals many many years before humans even knew they existed!

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And, only as a small example, a few weeks ago a new species of Ants has been found in the rainforests which is completely of of normal ants: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0915174538.htm

You think we know nearly everything about nature? Man you're far off. All we know is a small part the rest is unknown or just speculated

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.....I'm getting really annoyed at how easily people are falling for psycho-nonsense like this. This video literally proves nothing. And no video ever will prove anything even slightly "psychic".

Simply put, psychokenisis isn't learnable, because it isn't real. Just accept it. No-one can actually move stuff with their minds.

And if you think you can, I think it's time for a good old reality check. If that fails....you're mental. You are literally mental.

Oh may as well quote good old wiki here, just so you don't think I'm just making this up to further my own beliefs:

However, there is no scientific evidence that has gone unchallenged that shows psychokinesis exists. A meta-analysis of 380 studies in 2006 found only a "very small" effect which could be explained by publication bias.

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Dude how about chilling out.

Anyway people like you annoy me because you're unwilling to open you're minds. Now don't get me wrong, I have been known to be sceptical and resort to the scientific method.

However, results such as the one you posted from Wiki, aren't exactly great. It would be more valid if they had a larger group of studies to make it more valid.

What I find funny about scientists is that when do tests like this, they get one result and say that "because of this so and so doesn't exist". However that's not really true.

Think about this analogy:

Think about the human brain. Millions of neurones linked to each and other. However these links don't touch the neurones and there is a miute gap between neurone and link. So it could be possible when someone is thinking part of these thoughts could be emitted via these tiny gaps as a type of signal reminiscent of electromagnetic radiation or something.
Now, scientists have created a spectrum showing gamma rays at one end (high frequency) and long radio waves at the other (low wavelength). Now these emitted thoughts that I was talking about could have a frequency higher that gamma rays or lower than long radio waves.
Just say someone's brain was able to pick these emitted thoughts up. They would be called a telepath. And the above idea could explain telepathy and the reason scientists say this doesn't exist is because they haven't created a machine sensitive enough to pick up these emitted thoughts.

Now I'm not saying the above analogy is correct and nor am I saying it is wrong so DO NOT TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT. All the analogy shows is the possibility that modern day science could be flawed when it comes to proving the existence of psi powers and ESP etc.

Or if the above analogy isn't good enough for you here's another:

Wasn't there a time when all the best minds in the world thought the earth was flat? Also there was a time when scientists thought the atom was the smallest thing and then they split it open and electrons and protons and other stuff come out of it.

So people who say that such a thing doesn't exist should take a moment to think. There is always a possibility that things exist and that is just the way things are. Just because there is a lot of evidence supporting the against argument (e.g. something exists) doesn't mean you can not rule out the evidence that supports the for argument (e.g. something exists).

Besides if there is some or a small amount of evidence supporting the existence of something then it must exist. End of story.

So KingYetiTeffa don't just jump to conclusions. Start weighing up both sides of the argument instead of looking at one and disregard the other.

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Originally Posted by ShadowmanX

You're saying that as if the whole world has been explained by now, which is not true. The point is:



And, only as a small example, a few weeks ago a new species of Ants has been found in the rainforests which is completely of of normal ants: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0915174538.htm

You think we know nearly everything about nature? Man you're far off. All we know is a small part the rest is unknown or just speculated

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Hmmm,
Seems like grasping at straws here.

My point is that there is not a single recorded or observed species that shows any behaviour that would suggest psychic abilities.
Considering the VAST sums of money and fame that such a discovery would make, and the huge amount of scientists studying animal behaviour over the past hundreds of years. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd that not a single case has been observed?

Also, why would nature come up with sonar in Bats? which is a VERY complex process, when the same effect could be achieved via psychic ability?
Also why would language evolve in humans? if there was the easier option of just sharing our thoughts?
If such abilites were available, why don't we have them?
Why do we have hands? when we could be moving things around with our minds?

Nature is very very frugal. She dosn't tend to waste engery or resources when a simpler alternative is available.


Sure the human race dosn't know EVERYTHING about nature, obviously not.
But we do have a pretty good understanding about how natural selection works, how evolution works, we also have hundred of years of recorded observations of many millions of species.
We also have prizes, fame and huge wads of cash, that would be lavished all over anyone who could prove and demonstrate psychic ability.
Think of the commercial value for such a discovery, the military value.
Scientists in this world arnt "closed minded", they are practical, if there was a way to prove such a thing then no doubt there would be a Faraday or Benjamin Franklin of psychic abilites already. We'd have something, some kind of basic recognition in the world of science.

But here is a question i want people who belive in these things to answer:

If astral travel is possible, why do we have physical eyes?

If telepathy is possible, why do we have language?

If Telekenisis is possible, why do we have hands?

If there are inate psychic powers in humans or any other animal, why then did evolution bother coming up with physical means to do EXACTLY the same job? Does astral travel burn more calories than walking somewhere?

I'm not being skeptical or closed minded, I just want to know how these sorts of simple problems with the idea of telepathy can be argued agains with logical explanations.

I would so love to believe, but i refuse to believe something that my intelligence and observations contradict.

If anyone has convincing evidence, or decent arguments to the points i've made, i would be very very happy to hear them. I'd like to be proven wrong, i really would!

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Originally Posted by KingYetiTeffa

So....oh I'm annoyed now. I don't believe how gullible some of you people are. And how quick you are to believe something just because you [I]want[I] it to be true. There's no evidence for psychokenisis, or whatever you want to call it, and it has been almost completely disregarded in the world of science, and facts. This alone should be enough to convince people that it's a load of....well, you already know what I think.

And someone said they could present a scientific way that this can be achieved? Then please...go ahead. If you think there's any way that nothing more than thoughts can move stuff, I very much look forward to seeing this evidence of yours.

Don't fall for those youtube videos. Be smart. If psychokenisis was documented on video, I don't think youtube would be the way to break it to the world.

And, it's not wise to call people closed minded because they don't accept something that has never, and probably will never be proved in any regard, simply because you're willing to jump at any idea that science doesn't agree with.

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Whine.

Youtube videos are shit. Personally a lot of people would try to keep "PK" abilities out of the public eye...

But believing anything just because science hasn't proven it to be true is just as baseless.

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But here is a question i want people who belive in these things to answer:

If astral travel is possible, why do we have physical eyes?

If telepathy is possible, why do we have language?

If Telekenisis is possible, why do we have hands?

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What exactly is the point of any of these questions?


Just because we have one way for things doesn't mean their could be no other way... To assume something like that is even more ignorant than believe some wack ass youtube video...

Your questions have no answer, because they have no basis for questioning.

We have hands because we were born with them. We have language because we learned how to communicate verbally. We have physical eyes because we were born with them.

Two part questions are usually related in someway, not by the assumption that nature would never be redundant and provide two ways to the same means...(Anyway most of these ideas are quite different than their almost companions....)

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Whine.

Youtube videos are shit. Personally a lot of people would try to keep "PK" abilities out of the public eye...

But believing anything just because science hasn't proven it to be true is just as baseless.


What exactly is the point of any of these questions?


Just because we have one way for things doesn't mean their could be no other way... To assume something like that is even more ignorant than believe some wack ass youtube video...

Your questions have no answer, because they have no basis for questioning.

We have hands because we were born with them. We have language because we learned how to communicate verbally. We have physical eyes because we were born with them.

Two part questions are usually related in someway, not by the assumption that nature would never be redundant and provide two ways to the same means...(Anyway most of these ideas are quite different than their almost companions....)

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How dare you call me ignorant when you don't even take time to read my post and understand the points i am making. I never suggested that nature wouldn't have more than one way of doing something.

The point of my questions are pretty obvious.
If there is a simpler way for nature to do something, IT DOES IT.
We see it again and again and again, throughout nature.
If two brains can communicate psychically, then why on earth would language develop? if this was an inate ability?

And as for saying "We have hands because we were born with them."
are you serious? No we have hands due to billions of years of evolution, because hands worked in the environment that our ancestors lived in, and they still work today. However, Would hands have evolved if there was telekinetic powers available instead?
Would we have been throwing spears at our prey, when we could have overwhelmed them with a psychic attack?
would we be picking berries from trees when we could make them move with our minds?

Sure nature may sometimes evolve two ways of doing something.
BUT if that's the case, why are we using the lesser version as the primary version? The ability to see with a physical eye, is much more limited and delicate than that of an astral eye (according to claims about astral travel) so why is it that almost all animals that require to see things, use physical eyes?

Actually if you take this argument to the extreme conclusion, why do we have physical bodies at all?
If we are psychic spiritual or astral creatures, why are we living in little weak bags of cells that need to eat and shit?

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Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

How dare you call me ignorant when you don't even take time to read my post and understand the points i am making. I never suggested that nature wouldn't have more than one way of doing something.

The point of my questions are pretty obvious.
If there is a simpler way for nature to do something, IT DOES IT.
We see it again and again and again, throughout nature.
If two brains can communicate psychically, then why on earth would language develop? if this was an inate ability?

And as for saying "We have hands because we were born with them."
are you serious? No we have hands due to billions of years of evolution, because hands worked in the environment that our ancestors lived in, and they still work today. However, Would hands have evolved if there was telekinetic powers available instead?
Would we have been throwing spears at our prey, when we could have overwhelmed them with a psychic attack?
would we be picking berries from trees when we could make them move with our minds?

Sure nature may sometimes evolve two ways of doing something.
BUT if that's the case, why are we using the lesser version as the primary version? The ability to see with a physical eye, is much more limited and delicate than that of an astral eye (according to claims about astral travel) so why is it that almost all animals that require to see things, use physical eyes?

Actually if you take this argument to the extreme conclusion, why do we have physical bodies at all?
If we are psychic spiritual or astral creatures, why are we living in little weak bags of cells that need to eat and shit?

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A psychic attack and the ability to possibly move something with your mind are two completely different concepts. Our physical bodies and abilities are obviously highlighted and accentuated, they are the easiest concepts to grab since they are so apparent.

Maybe you don't understand because you've never experienced any of these feelings first hand?

I read the post and understand what you were saying, I was just making a statement that your observations are no less ignorant than believing some wack youtube video.

You realize that without language the only thing we'd be able to send are images.....
If we had no written/spoken language we would be psychically communicating a bunch of nonsense... I mean sure theirs body language and other little things you'd be able to pick up, but LANGUAGE would allow us the ability to understand what we are sending and picking up with our psychic ability... That's why language flourished, it gives us the ability to comprehend and express ideas. We would be pretty useless if we were all psychic but unable to tell each other complicated things because of a lack of wordage.. I mean you can always send ideas and images but....

I have hands because I was born with them, evolution or not doesn't change the fact that I have hands because I was born with them. Sorry. (I do believe in evolution, but it's only slightly more proven than psychic ability...)

We are psychic and spiritual creatures living on a physical plane... What is hard to understand about that? We are not astral creatures, which is why we would have our normal sight.... We live in the realm that we reside in, if we had no normal vision we'd be walking into a lot of trees.

Astral travel how I understand it is being in a whole nother plain of existence parallel with our own... We'd be hard pressed to be stuck with just astral vision while living in the physical realm...

If you are to believe in evolution which I do...
Nature usually drops off the less used over long periods of time, which is why as a human race we have lost a lot of touch with our source, with our obsession with the material and physical.And we spend really short amount of time on this plain while incarnated into this body...(With or without beliefs of an afterlife or re-incarnation) Meaning no one alive today had the same body Millions and Millions of years ago... so know one knows what it was like back then..

Anyone else notice it odd that history seems to go Cavemen to Giant pyramids?

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

You realize that without language the only thing we'd be able to send are images.....
If we had no written/spoken language we would be psychically communicating a bunch of nonsense... I mean sure theirs body language and other little things you'd be able to pick up, but LANGUAGE would allow us the ability to understand what we are sending and picking up with our psychic ability... That's why language flourished, it gives us the ability to comprehend and express ideas. We would be pretty useless if we were all psychic but unable to tell each other complicated things because of a lack of wordage.. I mean you can always send ideas and images but....

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in my opinion you're not correct here, you just think so, because you used language now for several years and didn't often use anything else. I believe that anyone can understand anotherone through telepathy without using language through telepathy, I mean sending words. There is the possibility of sending it in, what I like to call, Thought format(I'm a programmer so don't wonder). I think the deepest thoughts are in this "format" and anyone could understand them, because the mind would translate it that way since every mind understands that "format". You can become aware of that if you stop thinking on the surface and start thinking deeper. if you think there are a few possible wals to think:

• thinking loud, which would be with using voice, is not so really thinking
• thinking silent, which is when you think but others can hear, well most of the time hm, hm, hm,....
• thinking inside, which is when you think in language and you nearly can hear your thoughts although noone else will be able to hear them acoustical
• thinking deep, that is when you use no language to think, here you are not bound to any words, that is also for example when you thinking about a word and you know that you know it but you just can't find the word, here you know it in that "Thought format" but are currently not able to convert it into language. i have no idea what causes this inability, but let leave it at that.

One more thing:
If you know how to think deep, you are really not bound to language, that means you think faster than you would talk, a lot faster

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Anyone else notice it odd that history seems to go Cavemen to Giant pyramids?

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A few words about pyramids: It is currently not known what they were good for and how they could have been constructed the way they are. Some archaeologists even think there was a fourth pyramid which was destroyed by its creators for reasons only speculated.

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Originally Posted by ShadowmanX

in my opinion you're not correct here, you just think so, because you used language now for several years and didn't often use anything else. I believe that anyone can understand anotherone through telepathy without using language through telepathy, I mean sending words. There is the possibility of sending it in, what I like to call, Thought format(I'm a programmer so don't wonder). I think the deepest thoughts are in this "format" and anyone could understand them, because the mind would translate it that way since every mind understands that "format". You can become aware of that if you stop thinking on the surface and start thinking deeper. if you think there are a few possible wals to think:

• thinking loud, which would be with using voice, is not so really thinking
• thinking silent, which is when you think but others can hear, well most of the time hm, hm, hm,....
• thinking inside, which is when you think in language and you nearly can hear your thoughts although noone else will be able to hear them acoustical
• thinking deep, that is when you use no language to think, here you are not bound to any words, that is also for example when you thinking about a word and you know that you know it but you just can't find the word, here you know it in that "Thought format" but are currently not able to convert it into language. i have no idea what causes this inability, but let leave it at that.

One more thing:
If you know how to think deep, you are really not bound to language, that means you think faster than you would talk, a lot faster



A few words about pyramids: It is currently not known what they were good for and how they could have been constructed the way they are. Some archaeologists even think there was a fourth pyramid which was destroyed by its creators for reasons only speculated.

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I dunno, I think if we all just communicated with our minds with no understanding of language we would have a hard time expressing things. Yes some things would be easy to understand, but it's like communicating with someone who only speaks a language you don't, you can get some things across but not everything. But this is just my opinion..

Thoughts are more easily understood when you have words to describe them with.

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Originally Posted by DeathCell

Thoughts are more easily understood when you have words to describe them with.

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Thats exactly what I meant, you used language all of your life so its hard for you to believe that it might be easier without language. It's because we all most of the time think on the surface in our language.

for all you naive sceptics, this part of the forum is for believers ONLY.

and many psycic abilies are learnable. psipog.com

okay Im back for today and tomorrow, you guys still want my attempt at an explanation? Ill give my explanation if you still want it.

BTW.. I made a psiball while meditating and gathering energy, I sent it to someone and seconds later their nose began to bleed, can you explain that?

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Originally Posted by Erikkujonson

okay Im back for today and tomorrow, you guys still want my attempt at an explanation? Ill give my explanation if you still want it.

BTW.. I made a psiball while meditating and gathering energy, I sent it to someone and seconds later their nose began to bleed, can you explain that?

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Most likely you just caused some minor damage to his energy field. Don't worry about it, he will heal. I've gotten hit hard enough to cause really annoying muscle spasms all over my body, and my field healed after 3 days of rest. Just don't go around attacking people randomly. Karma's a bitch. :D

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Originally Posted by Neeros

Most likely you just caused some minor damage to his energy field. Don't worry about it, he will heal. I've gotten hit hard enough to cause really annoying muscle spasms all over my body, and my field healed after 3 days of rest. Just don't go around attacking people randomly. Karma's a bitch. :D

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Ya, I wasn't trying to hurt him, he's my friend. Um, does he have to know about psi to be affected by energy field damage?

Let's think about this in a non-inflammatory way. consider this theory.
It is my own belief.
My theory: It's all true in some respect.

Basically this is a half-religious, half-pseudo scientific way of saying we could all be right and it is all a big piece of the puzzle. Many people believe that we have souls which reside in another plane of existence and come from this plane of existence to be put into human bodies. Well think about it. If these "souls" as we call them come from some other plane of existence, chances are they aren't carbon based, and probably aren't even visible. If a soul were to try and communicate with other souls -- would they use their mouths? No, they wouldn't.They probably don't even have mouths. And until we have the ability to explore other dimensions then we will never find evidence of this but one thing is for certain.. they would use some other form of communication. Non verbal communication in some spiritual or mental way. If a soul were to say, be born into a human body for whatever reason, then the only connection between the soul and the world we see before us is the brain. However the brain is to the soul is like beer goggles to your eyes... everything would be muddied and discolored; and the body is the vehicle the brain controls to move around, but compared to a being comprised of energy it would be ... clunky to say the least.
Seeing as how we have the most advanced brains of any animal in the world, the connection between our consciousness and personality (soul) would be alot better than any other animal in the world. Music, beauty, art, poetry.. No other soul-vehicle perceives these things but the human model because has the least muddying lens to look through. Human beings who accept they they are their own vehicles tend to worry about more materialistic things. now, if someone were to realize that connection through some way or another, than they could theoretically break it, causing astral projection. If telepathy, psi and other phenomena are spiritually (not religiously) related, then it would require an extra dimension of study to cover for the inadequacies of our own minds...

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Originally Posted by Neeros

Most likely you just caused some minor damage to his energy field. Don't worry about it, he will heal. I've gotten hit hard enough to cause really annoying muscle spasms all over my body, and my field healed after 3 days of rest. Just don't go around attacking people randomly. Karma's a bitch.

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One little tip:
Before trying to hurt someone with energy, which is irresponsible in my eyes, first try to heal with energy. It is much better than causing damage. I'm glad I taught this skill myself, although i cant do much, but i can stop pain and i can heal stiff muscles to a certain point, with multiple tries I should also be able to fully heal them.

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Originally Posted by Threadbreaker

Let's think about this in a non-inflammatory way. consider this theory.
It is my own belief.
My theory: It's all true in some respect.

Basically this is a half-religious, half-pseudo scientific way of saying we could all be right and it is all a big piece of the puzzle. Many people believe that we have souls which reside in another plane of existence and come from this plane of existence to be put into human bodies. Well think about it. If these "souls" as we call them come from some other plane of existence, chances are they aren't carbon based, and probably aren't even visible. If a soul were to try and communicate with other souls -- would they use their mouths? No, they wouldn't.They probably don't even have mouths. And until we have the ability to explore other dimensions then we will never find evidence of this but one thing is for certain.. they would use some other form of communication. Non verbal communication in some spiritual or mental way. If a soul were to say, be born into a human body for whatever reason, then the only connection between the soul and the world we see before us is the brain. However the brain is to the soul is like beer goggles to your eyes... everything would be muddied and discolored; and the body is the vehicle the brain controls to move around, but compared to a being comprised of energy it would be ... clunky to say the least.
Seeing as how we have the most advanced brains of any animal in the world, the connection between our consciousness and personality (soul) would be alot better than any other animal in the world. Music, beauty, art, poetry.. No other soul-vehicle perceives these things but the human model because has the least muddying lens to look through. Human beings who accept they they are their own vehicles tend to worry about more materialistic things. now, if someone were to realize that connection through some way or another, than they could theoretically break it, causing astral projection. If telepathy, psi and other phenomena are spiritually (not religiously) related, then it would require an extra dimension of study to cover for the inadequacies of our own minds...

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Okay, I will tell it the same way as you did, as theory, based on my own thoughts and what I read about psychic skills and William Buhlman who is, well you could call it a professional Astral Traveller.

What you call soul is an energy body, and since there are no elements in energy it can't carbon or anything based. About the communication: A few post upwards i wrote different types of thinking, with the last one to be the nearest similar to lets call it "spirit communication". Since they are energy they also can form themselves any way they want as long as they know, so they could also use mouthes to talk, what they might not do because i think its much slower and more difficult than the "spirit communication".
And we have the ability to explore those dimensions, its called Astral Projection and Out of Body Experience. Though not much people use those skills or even know about them.

About those things I'm pretty sure. Of course I can be whole wrong, but until that is proven I guess I wont walk this planet anymore(What I mean is that the atitude of people wont change so easy within the next hundred years).

About the brain I have a pretty wild theory, I just came to some day. i think the brain is the connection between material body and astral body/spirit/soul. So i dont see the brain as the working part, only as the translation part. The, well, thinking is done by the spirit or more likely the subconcious

Check out this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMQQZdnBV8
A lot of practice, and you'll be able to make things move, but start out in annoying people.

I feel like certain people either want this too much and are overlooking key components, or refuse it so wholeheartedly they just don't care to look.

If human's are the only thing on this planet with large enough brain capacity to even come close to remotely achieving Psychokinesis why would we be looking at other animals? That is completely Irrelevant. If one want's to study the most basic of brain function's we could look at a monkey sure but that still doesn't fully describe the human brain.

If we only just recently gained the ability to video document things as a species, let alone write comprehensible things explaining such phenomena why would we assure that previous cultures did not to some degree attain this ability, then were wrote about as gods amongst men etc. Seem logical? Let me throw this out there.

The Mayan's believed in skull transmuting. The literally caved in the front of the skull and wore headdresses that allowed their brain to use both the right and left hemispheres (probably all aspects of their brain) simultaneously. Probably resulting in astounding results. How do you think something such as this would be documented back then? By people not equipped at all to explain what it is they are doing. We have evolved enough now to fully explain what it is that is going on around us but in our search to be able to do so we are too cold and calculating to leave room for something more. You must come at a subject from all angles, good and bad and make a clear and informed decision based on your own intuition. This is the only thing that is real proof to yourself. If I ask you something along the lines of "What do you think about god" and you respond well Religion... Blah blah... "I did not ask you what men say about god, I ask you what YOU think of god" see where I am coming from. don't place wholehearted belief in something until experienced for yourself, one way or the other. Most people in the past had to die to reflect back on their lives, we have the ability to consciously change our course in life at any given moment. We are the creators of our own destiny. Take it for what it is we are an advanced species yes, however I think we are far behind in many aspects compared to Atlantis, Egyptians and Mayans. We of course have come a long way and improved on many many things. We can do astounding things, why not leave room to still be astounded?

P.S. Sorry for the Necropost I am new here and did not take note of the date of posting.

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Originally Posted by KingYetiTeffa

.....I'm getting really annoyed at how easily people are falling for psycho-nonsense like this. This video literally proves nothing. And no video ever will prove anything even slightly "psychic".

Simply put, psychokenisis isn't learnable, because it isn't real. Just accept it. No-one can actually move stuff with their minds.

And if you think you can, I think it's time for a good old reality check. If that fails....you're mental. You are literally mental.

Oh may as well quote good old wiki here, just so you don't think I'm just making this up to further my own beliefs:

However, there is no scientific evidence that has gone unchallenged that shows psychokinesis exists. A meta-analysis of 380 studies in 2006 found only a "very small" effect which could be explained by publication bias.

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Oh really, well I have been able to make an inverted pyramid like in the video to spin by thought alone. It took a while but the key to success is in what Abra said in the third post. When I thought about the fact that I have no conscious understanding of HOW I actually make my arm move for example I entered an incredible state of consciousness and I was then able to make the inverted pyramid spin. Think about it. When you want to move your arm you just do it. But do you consciously KNOW HOW to send the correct electrical signals from your brain synapses, through your central nervous system to all of the ligaments and muscles and then contract and expand the muscles involved to make your arm move. Of course you don't KNOW HOW you do this. You WILL your arm to move and it does. Apply the same principle to psychokinesis and WILL the inverted pyramid to spin like you WILL your arm etc., it worked for me.

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Originally Posted by slash112

for all you naive sceptics, this part of the forum is for believers ONLY.

and many psycic abilies are learnable. psipog.com

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lol noob slash

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Originally Posted by Spartiate

lol noob slash

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Yea but I like to try to get visiting non-believers to use the cells encased in their skulls; even if for a short while.