So I sacrificed a spider to Satan the other night

**Original Poster** · 03-18-2013 07:08 PM

I wrote out a prayer which offered a blood sacrifice in exchange for scarring Dick Cheney's face. My friend happened to be keeping a spider in a jar and I decided it would make a perfect sacrifice. She wouldn't let me light a candle so I lit a cigarette instead. After completing the prayer I doused the spider with hairspray, made a makeshift blow torch and lit it on fire.

Firstly, let's talk about the technique itself. What do you think the chances are that Dick Cheney's face will get scarred in the future, and do you think there could be any possible relation to this ceremony? What qualities would have been necessarily involved in a curse like this one? For example, I never called out Satan's name specifically but instead referred to him as the father of the dark and cruel, and other emblems. I did this because I wasn't too concerned with Satan himself performing the curse but was willing to call any cruel, disembodied being that would scar Dick Cheney's face. Would it be necessary to call out the entity by name or did the request get through? What's more pertinent to me, in actuality, is the nuances between disembodied entities and inner, psychological demons. Perhaps I would have needed to use a sigil to implant the curse into my psyche rather than a prayer and sacrifice which does little but appeal to the air surrounding us. In other words, the activity was in clear violation of "as within, so without" which is the only rule I really follow as a chaos magician. I'm curious if you believe that because I did nothing to change my unconscious beliefs about dick cheney's ugly face, nothing will manifest in reality and the ritual served no purpose, or if perhaps the ritual was enough but because I didn't use the traditional red candle or call our the dark lord's name specifically, it was castrated.

Secondly, what do you think the moral repercussion of the action was? The spider was starving to death in that jar, and my friend had no plans of letting it out. She intended to kill it eventually and in the meantime she certainly was not going to feed it. Granted, before I remembered she had that spider I was considering kidnapping one of the neighbors puppies and sacrificing that instead. But that seemed a little heavy and unnecessary for the spell I intended to accomplish. Aside from the harm caused for the spell, we have to look at the intention of the spell itself, which was to fuck up Dick Cheney's face, and make him look on the outside like the devil he is on the inside. This is unarguably a spiteful use of magic, and let alone whether or not you believe Dick Cheney deserves it, it certainly calls for a karmic backlash. It also further feeds polarization and generally lacks the transcendental nature of compassion I've been trying to imbibe for the last couple years.

For me, it was an experiment in black magic because it'd be boring if I solely adhered to a strict moral code, especially since one of the primary quests of the chaos magician is to transcend socially imposed structures and morality is one of them. The practice of chaos magick requires not that one become capable of justifying their actions but that they allow themselves to be unjustified beings, so that identity may become malleable and with it, reality.

**melanieb** · 03-19-2013 05:41 PM

I'm so glad you are doing your part to keep occult mysticism alive.

**Original Poster** · 03-19-2013 06:09 PM

I think the spell backfired. I went camping over St Patties weekend and fell head first on the fire while black out drunk. I currently have a sizable cut on my face but I don't think it'll scar. I'm not sure if the cut came from headbutting the fire but it would make sense since I burned the spider to death. But I can't recollect any details about what transpired so I can't say for certain, apparently I was also shoved into a ravine, so it may have been from that. According to one of my friends, dark magic is more likely to backfire if the ritual is performed during a waxing moon. But I figured there would be a karmic reaction no matter what.

**shadowofwind** · 03-20-2013 08:03 AM

For whatever it may be worth....

I think the thought in the first post about karmic backlash is a moral thought, and your desire for justice is part of what precipitated the backlash. So from the outset you failed to transcend morality.

If you wish to transcend morality, why burn a spider, why not murder a prostitute or something? (Note to Big Brother: I am very much not advocating this.) Are you too weak for that? Afraid of the consequences? Surely you're smart enough to avoid getting caught.

The morality I'm talking about doesn't have shit to do with what 'God' or 'society' ostensibly wants. Its about what you want. Do you want to hurt someone or not? Are you indifferent to it? If you're indifferent, then why not go ahead and mutilate someone, just as an experiment, or as something to do?

Or if you don't want to, if you're not merely indifferent to it, but its something that you actively don't want to do, then that's morality. And I think its silly to talk any more about transcending it.

Sorry for my pissy tone here, its not personal, and my use of the word 'you' isn't personal either. I'm just trying to express a thought as directly as possible. As a person who is not afraid to kill but chooses not to, I'm kind of disgusted by all the faux-Satanism and voyeuristic bloodthirstiness of our culture, with its safe movie and video game horror fantasies and wars by remote control. Decide WTF you want.

**Universal Mind** · 03-20-2013 08:44 AM

That spider might.... might.... have been a retroactive reincarnation of Dick Cheney. It cannot be proven that it wasn't.

**Original Poster** · 03-20-2013 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

For whatever it may be worth....

I think the thought in the first post about karmic backlash is a moral thought, and your desire for justice is part of what precipitated the backlash. So from the outset you failed to transcend morality.

If you wish to transcend morality, why burn a spider, why not murder a prostitute or something? (Note to Big Brother: I am very much not advocating this.) Are you too weak for that? Afraid of the consequences? Surely you're smart enough to avoid getting caught.

The morality I'm talking about doesn't have shit to do with what 'God' or 'society' ostensibly wants. Its about what you want. Do you want to hurt someone or not? Are you indifferent to it? If you're indifferent, then why not go ahead and mutilate someone, just as an experiment, or as something to do?

Or if you don't want to, if you're not merely indifferent to it, but its something that you actively don't want to do, then that's morality. And I think its silly to talk any more about transcending it.

Sorry for my pissy tone here, its not personal, and my use of the word 'you' isn't personal either. I'm just trying to express a thought as directly as possible. As a person who is not afraid to kill but chooses not to, I'm kind of disgusted by all the faux-Satanism and voyeuristic bloodthirstiness of our culture, with its safe movie and video game horror fantasies and wars by remote control. Decide WTF you want.

I haven't transcended culturally imposed morality though, that's the point. It's still kicking and I haven't decided that I want to, either. Even this experiment I had to find justification for. My justification being that I kill spiders all the fucking time, and this one was going to be killed anyways so it's basically already sacrificed, I just so happened to direct the prayer.

You also seem to misunderstand what I mean by karma. I basically mean that I don't really know if, when performing magic, you can even select targets beside yourself. I suppose in a way it may be possible, but it seems like fantasizing about hurting others is a good way to manifest harm to yourself. Karma means doing, and attitude is the primary action.

Also I'm not faux-Satanist, I'm a chaos magician. I borrow symbols that my unconscious mind has given the most power to, because my unconscious mind is really what decides whether or not the magic works and if it's given up power to symbols like God and Satan through being brought up in a christian society then it's simply easier and quicker to utilize those pre-existing associations rather than attempt to build new ones. I am currently experimenting to see how I can utilize those symbols and what sort of unconscious agreements are taking my power, which ones I can keep and which ones I can remove. This is a very common stage for aspiring magicians, where one experiments with iconoclasm and identity. Morality is something I mostly intend to leave alone though because I know its purpose. Granted a lot of ethics are circular but I think doing harm to others ends up causing harm to yourself, and some mystical, misinterpreted concept of karma is not required for that. Karma is built into the fabric of society. Kill a spider, the scent of its guts will bring more. Betray a friend, no one will trust you. Not only that, but if manifestation were true then karma is built into the fabric of physics. Intend to harm someone, reap that intention's ripple on yourself. But I'm not perfect, either. And Like I've said many, many times, I'm kind of an impulsive goofball.

**shadowofwind** · 03-21-2013 03:00 AM

One way I think about this blowback effect, is that if I train a part of my mind to prey on people, its going to prey on me if I'm the most convenient target. It doesn't care. I think that this is one way to look at what motivates a lot of self-destructive drug behavior. Not a completely true way of looking at it, but not all wrong either.

I don't think its possible to completely free oneself from societal morality, because internally our identities are partially shared with others. We feel 'right and wrong' the way other people do, because to some extent we are them. This is how I experience it anyway. My moral sense does seem to be quite a bit different from most people's though, and I don't know the reason for that. Maybe something about my physiology and experience that amplifies some things at the expense of other things. Or maybe I'm spiritually distinct in a way that I don't understand.

I don't kill spiders, I capture them and take them outside. I don't have a justification for that, I realize that spiders are killers that lay a gazillion eggs, and all of them will die eventually irrespective of what I do.

If it had been me who had done your experiment, I think the primary reason for falling in the fire would not have been because I can't select targets besides myself. It would have been more that I'm driven to learn things, and the seeming educational value of the event would be what caused it to happen.

Disclaimer: I don't have time to be sufficiently careful with language here.

I think I misunderstood your thought about karma less than it appeared to you. What you said is closer to what I meant. I don't believe in karma or justice as results produced by a cosmic moral bean counter.

**Original Poster** · 03-21-2013 05:06 AM

Yeah, I switch back and forth between killing spiders and transporting them. I don't really follow a no harm principle regarding insects all of the time. I do agree though that once you understand you're not actually separate from others, a natural sort of morality develops. I think it's still integral toward magical philosophy that one tests which rules exist for a practical purpose and which agreements one makes blocks power or happiness. I would prefer a natural morality that serves me (in the larger sense) than a socially imposed morality that I follow because everybody else believes it's true. But I also intend to approach the dissolution of agreements with caution, if possible. Granted, eventually being cautious only goes so far, because it does feel risky to dissolve many of our agreements. Becoming something unjustified is a little scary.

**Michael** · 03-21-2013 05:11 AM

You'll graduate to sacrificing prostitutes within a year.

**DemiDevil17** · 03-21-2013 05:20 AM

you are no devil worshiper you must sacrifice your best friend to be on any santanitc shit you what to be on kill your best friend and you will learn the sahriagan lmao no im serious lmao

**Original Poster** · 03-21-2013 06:24 AM

sharingan*

**snoop** · 03-26-2013 12:14 AM

Your problem is that it wasn't a meaningful or substantial sacrifice. As that spider's death was guaranteed anyway, and you kill spiders all the time, how was this, in anyway, a worthy sacrifice for your "spell?" The backlash on you was probably due to such a petty excuse of a sacrifice. Should have went with the neighbour's puppy instead, or perhaps something even more substantial, such as a person. Maybe how pure the soul is makes a difference as well? The puppy is again a good idea, but if it has to be a person maybe you should sacrifice a baby.

**♥Mark** · 03-26-2013 12:52 AM

That's horrible. Why would you do that to a poor, defenseless, innocent Satan?

**Universal Mind** · 03-26-2013 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

Your problem is that it wasn't a meaningful or substantial sacrifice. As that spider's death was guaranteed anyway, and you kill spiders all the time, how was this, in anyway, a worthy sacrifice for your "spell?" The backlash on you was probably due to such a petty excuse of a sacrifice. Should have went with the neighbour's puppy instead, or perhaps something even more substantial, such as a person. Maybe how pure the soul is makes a difference as well? The puppy is again a good idea, but if it has to be a person maybe you should sacrifice a baby.

Running over a bunch of old ladies usually does the trick. It's more effective than beating up a room full of toddlers.

**Original Poster** · 03-26-2013 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

Your problem is that it wasn't a meaningful or substantial sacrifice. As that spider's death was guaranteed anyway, and you kill spiders all the time, how was this, in anyway, a worthy sacrifice for your "spell?" The backlash on you was probably due to such a petty excuse of a sacrifice. Should have went with the neighbour's puppy instead, or perhaps something even more substantial, such as a person. Maybe how pure the soul is makes a difference as well? The puppy is again a good idea, but if it has to be a person maybe you should sacrifice a baby.

The spider was a war prisoner. As is the custom of my people, we always sacrifice war prisoners to our dark gods.

**sloth** · 03-26-2013 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Original Poster

My friend

Is she cute?

**nicromno** · 04-06-2013 08:47 PM

How did you learn about chaos magick?

**Original Poster** · 04-09-2013 03:29 AM

This is a good start: Liber Null (intro to chaos magick) - Peter J Carroll pt. 1 - YouTube

**nicromno** · 04-09-2013 05:13 PM

Thanks, that's a really good start in fact.

**Karloky** · 09-01-2013 08:38 AM

Why would you kill poor spider?

**yondaime109** · 09-04-2013 05:40 AM

You dun goofed. You never screw around with the devil, Even atheist fear that guy.

**yondaime109** · 09-04-2013 05:42 AM

You better burn a cross and rub it all over your body until on the lust and lore is burnt off of ya. It wasn't a smart a idea to go screwing around with the devil to fufill your earthly desires. Just use LOA&NLP dammit.

**Spenner** · 09-08-2013 04:16 AM

How do you have any certainty that you were indeed sacrificing this to the devil? I guess it's like having the same certainty that your prayers are going to god, though.