Thread: meditating on shrooms?

Going back through this thread, I'd like to point out the book Remember, Be Here Now by Ram Dass. I find that reading through it, or gazing at the wisdom/artwork in the middle facilitates with deep meditation for me. A fair amount of the content is about phenomena that I find hard (or impossible) to articulate from a large/heroic dose of psychedelics.

Does meditation become deeper after having a larger dose trip? Or does it just depend on the person and their intents? At the very least, I feel that boundaries are loosened, and like whats already been said, new possibilities of reality and consciousness are realized and could allow for deeper levels of meditation. Again though, I wouldn't say that psychedelics are needed for deeper levels of meditation.

I think it still comes down to intent, practice, and just "being" and letting go. Still though, while largely unexplanable phenomena can be observed with meditation and psychedelics, I think that specific things can be focused on as well. For me, this could be contact with spirits/entities or memories, or whatever comes to mind. I think there is a difference here between meditating and "just being" and surrendering to the mechanisms of reality, and the conscious-intent exploration/navigation of the state. I think both could be equally terrifying and incredible, and things get real with psychedelics. So I guess as a disclaimer, I wouldn't advice psychedelic meditation for casual endeavors. There may not be a way to be totally prepared, but (hypothetically speaking) you'd better be expecting the whole spectrum of the experience and not just the meditative part, and I don't think this can be stressed enough.

Originally Posted by Neo Neo

Going back through this thread, I'd like to point out the book Remember, Be Here Now by Ram Dass. I find that reading through it, or gazing at the wisdom/artwork in the middle facilitates with deep meditation for me. A fair amount of the content is about phenomena that I find hard (or impossible) to articulate from a large/heroic dose of psychedelics.

Does meditation become deeper after having a larger dose trip? Or does it just depend on the person and their intents? At the very least, I feel that boundaries are loosened, and like whats already been said, new possibilities of reality and consciousness are realized and could allow for deeper levels of meditation. Again though, I wouldn't say that psychedelics are needed for deeper levels of meditation.

I think it still comes down to intent, practice, and just "being" and letting go. Still though, while largely unexplanable phenomena can be observed with meditation and psychedelics, I think that specific things can be focused on as well. For me, this could be contact with spirits/entities or memories, or whatever comes to mind. I think there is a difference here between meditating and "just being" and surrendering to the mechanisms of reality, and the conscious-intent exploration/navigation of the state. I think both could be equally terrifying and incredible, and things get real with psychedelics. So I guess as a disclaimer, I wouldn't advice psychedelic meditation for casual endeavors. There may not be a way to be totally prepared, but (hypothetically speaking) you'd better be expecting the whole spectrum of the experience and not just the meditative part, and I don't think this can be stressed enough.

I would enlist the same caution on trying psychedelics in general. If you're going to buy the ticket you may as well get the most out of the ride. Shrooms serve the purpose of medicine for the psyche, one gets the most out of it when they treat it as such.

As far as whether or not meditation becomes deeper on a higher dose, the easy answer is no. For one, you can never predict what sort of meditation you'll have going into it. If you're expecting to fall right into mindfulness you may find yourself disappointed and subsequently frustrated. A higher dose holds no influence on how you'll find that particular sit. Secondly, mindful meditation is to peer beyond Maya, psychedelics aid in this process but also intensify her dance so it's a double edged sword. The intensity provides enough of an edge to realize your mind is a cage and give you an opportunity to glimpse beyond it, but further increasing the sharpness of this edge does not increase the size of this window. You want "just enough" to make living inside your head unbearable without making your perceptual and cognitive factors too confusing to actually escape it. Adderall can help offset the mental disorientation but brings its own problems; the feeling of connectedness will be buried under an artificially amplified nervous system. Increasing the sensation of realness does not actually make things more real.

TL;DR More intensity does not mean deeper insight. Enlightenment is not waiting at the end of the rabbit hole, enlightenment is what comes after realizing the rabbit hole has no end.