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I'm going to do shrooms in sometime in the next week. I was wondering if you guys could give me some advice and maybe some insight on what to expect. I'm a little sketchy about it lasting so long and being really intense. I'm going to do it with 3 friends I think maybe 2.
Wisest move would be to not do it, but if you insist...
You can probably expect hallucinations and possibly temporary synesthesia. I used to work with someone who did shrooms from time to time. They described it as being...weird. Brake lights, for example, would become stretched and elongated, and the light would just sort of hang in the air.
Beware of a bad trip. Those happen every so often, and can haunt you for a long time.
dude you've never even done shrooms and you're giving me advice? No thanks I'm looking for somone who has had experience with this.
Everyone I know whos tryed it says it is not a party drug. They have also said it is life changing. I've heard in low doses (which is what is best to start with) you do not even hallucinate. Plus shrooms are harmless physically its not dangerous besides they're illegal most places. I'm sure there are alot of people on this site who have experience with shrooms I want to know what to expect, which is probably really hard to describe but a general idea of how I can aproach this in relation to dealing with life and the vibe of the trip i guess.
Um....yeeaaahhh...then maybe you should have specified that before jumping on me.
Also:
Wikipedia
Ask.com - What's Your Question?
You could probably turn up more trip reports with five minutes of searching than you'll ever get in this thread. Shrooms aren't exactly the most common drug on the market.
Erowid is your friend.
wow thats a really cool site!
And I'm sorry i jumped on you mario...lol
A sitter isn't entirely necessary, but I could see it being helpful to have someone around who's in their right mind :P
Go light on dosage for your first time. Make sure you know at least how strong the srooms are, preferably what species. For my first (and so far only) shroom trip, I took a mere 1.5 grams of above average shrooms, and I found that to be enough.
Have some music ready. Whatever kind of music you like, but go for something light, upbeat. The Beatles, Hendrix, Yes, The Who, and The Doors were among what I kept at hand.
Other than that, all I can say is don't think you can imagine what it's like if you've never tripped before. Some experiences with high doses of cannabis are a good precursor, but it's quite different from pot. Just remember to take whatever comes at you. Don't try to fight it, and you won't have to.
One more note, on bad trips, it's not a Russian roulette type of thing. They don't just happen at random. There are a number of things that affectthe trip which are more or less under your control, set and setting being the most important. Your attitude toward the situation has a huge effect on how you feel, so just keep a positive mindset about it. The other half of that is setting. Make sure you're somewhere familiar. Being able to be outdoors is very nice, but the main thing is to be somewhere where you feel safe.
I've had many many trips on high doses of bud, I've also tryed salvia several times, but i heard salvia alot different.
Ya the setting is a little sketchy because we are probably going to be walking around on the street most of the time,and also I probably have to come home eventually which may not be a problem if it lasts under 7 hours.
Do you think people would easly be able to tell if we are tripping?
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Do you think people would easly be able to tell if we are tripping?
Yes and a half. Don't think you can just talk around it like pot. Pot is a background high. When you're tripping, you're really out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
If you can't secure a more favorable setting, I would reccomend you postpone the trip. Trippping is something you want to hold off on untill you get the ideal opportunity. Either go 100% or don't go.
hmmm ok i was kind of feeling that way. I want to do it in the forest with a couple friends I vibe well with, that would be cool. :P
Check out shroomery.org, as well as Erowid.
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Have a sitter! Even if the trip isn't that intense, if you're doing it for the first time with multiple people, it might be a good idea to have at least one sober person around. More than likely you'll be fine, but trust me, if stuff goes down you'd wish you had someone there as a sitter.
I think you should do it by yourself your first time. No distractions like music, TV, etc. Ive tripped around sober people and I always find myself getting annoyed by them really quick because they make a spectacle out of me. They all expect me to do something crazy because im on shrooms. Forests are my favorite places to trip you will see why. Everyone is different, some people will feel comforted and empowered by being around others but my most profound trips have been by myself in silent darkness.
That would be a much better choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
Yes, I agree. With a sitter try to find someone who actually understands what mushshrooms are about!Quote:
Originally Posted by stormcrow
But the most profound are probably by yourself in silent darkness.
The important thing is to not be afraid! A lot of people try to make everything perfect for their first experience with a psychedelic drug in order to avoid a bad trip, but it is better to foster the idea that whatever happens, everything will be alright. If you plan things out too much, then even a slight deviation from what you expected to happen can put off your mood and set you down a path of negativity. Just go with the flow. It is important to do some planning though, for instance; plan to not be around any negative people who might bring you down, especially the type of negative people who feed off of creating drama. If any of the people you plan on tripping with are like this, I would suggest backing out.
Thanks for all the advice you guys. Storm crow that is exactly how I feel. and thats a really good point you made Xaqaria, the trip really is all in your head and so is your opinion about the situation you are in. Although i do find negative people are a total energy drain.
So it turns out the connect we were supposed to get shrooms from moved out of town all of a sudden, so I'll just have to wait for another opportunity I guess.
Xaqaria does have a good point.
I have found myself in a few situations that could have been very difficult to go through while tripping and the best way is to just say "it's ok, chill out". Remember that as kind of mantra, "relax", you will be much less likely to do either anything stupid, ruin your trip, get freaked out or anything. If you relax, you are much more likely to keep control and "sanity" over what you are doing and to "lose it" much more efficiently... meaning get the best out of the experience.
Even if the trip turns dark or bad, or whateer,... just... chill out and let it go. You will eventually be able to steer it in another way if you just relax. But since this is your first shroom trip, most likely it's just going to be beauty and wonder and infitiy anyway. ;) a trip is often what you really think it's going to be. Once the expectations are gone... well... it can be anything... enjoy! :)
While I do like all of them... I wouldn't put them on while on a trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supernova
My choice would be to try something without a simple structure and leave out the vocals. Something that puts rythm in the foreground or something that is experimenting with different sounds. It can easily get weird I guess, but your senses are probably heightened enough to actually get "difficult music" on "another level"... y'know... ... I don't know... Sphongle or Aphex Twins usually do the trick for me... but there are no limits. Have different genres ready, familiar stuff too!!, and then just go with what feels right!
...or silecne / the sound of nature... that sometimes works best
I think lucid dreamers are the most equipped to control psychedelic trips; they are very similar to dreams. If you are able to use lucidity to over come nightmares, it will be much easier to keep your trip going in a positive direction.
The truth of the matter is, believe it or not, the mushroom is a spirit, which is alive. It will teach you something that you need to know. There is no point in going against it or trying to steer it in a positive direction. What mushrooms try to do is steer you into such direction, that the trip will influence and imrpove the rest of your life. All you need to do is have faith in the mushroom which has higher intelligence than you.
If you trip, and you say, ok I want it to be like this or that, it's like going to a teacher and saying to him you only want to hear this or that word... lol it really doesn't work like that in my experience.
No. Drugs contain the compound psilocybin, which is a well-known, studied hallucinogen. There is no higher intelligence locked in this piece of fungus. There is nothing magical going on behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
In light of your other threads about god and DNA, I'm calling troll. GTFO.
The human body is surrounded by an electromagnetic field which is our consciousness, same goes for plants.
Electromagnetic theories of consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not a troll. You're an extremely close minded noob. You calling me a troll and saying GTFO is trolling and just extremely rude behavior when I'm dead serious. Learn to have some respect for your fellow human being please.
People like you truly make me sad. How can you be so extremely aggressive against me when I'm only trying to say the truth? Why do you hate what I'm saying so much? Why all this hate, why all this anger? I'm saying what I believe. Do I not have the freedom of speech?
You are behaving like a troll, and doing exactly what trolls do. If you wish to engage in serious debate, first start by plainly stating your claim, and supporting evidence for your claim. In this case, it would go something like...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
"I claim that consciousness is a magnetic field because (source x), which is influenced by undetectable spirits found in psychedelic mushrooms (source y), rather than the compound psylocybin, which is largely studied and generally accepted to be the source of hallucinations brought on by mushrooms (source z). Further, I claim that these mushroom spirits can influence the magnetic field surrounding us (source w), and that this interference is the reason behind mushroom trips (source v)."
If you can deduce that yourself, then what is the point of me doing it?
I'm just being vague, because I'm pretty confident you are intelligent enough to understand what I'm talking about or where I'm getting at which you evidence with your reply.
Alright, you've stated your claim (or rather, I stated it for you and you agreed with it). Now, back up your claim with evidence, for unless you do, there is no reason to believe this incredulous claim you have set before me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
I guess you're right that there is no reason to believe this claim and the only way to accept this is through personal experience. I wouldn't have believed it either if it wasn't for thne fact that shrooms once told me "Carlos Castaneda" I never heard about this name before, I looked it up and ended up with books on lucid dreaming
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
A mushroom is a living thing yes...a fungus...that we kill by picking and eating it. I wonder if the mushroom spirit cries as it passes through my digestive system?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
How is a mushroom more intelligent than a me?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
I believe that plants and perhaps fungus evolved to become masters of chemistry, where as animals evolved to become masters of muscle movement and consciousness. There are chemicals that plants can make that we humans cannot even create in a lab. Plants are alive and have consciousness, and we have the ability to talk to them telepathically. We eat them, but one day we will die and our bodies will go back to the earth and be food for plants and fungus.
Unless, of course, you choose to have your corpse cremated and blasted into deep space. That seems like it would be a fun way to go out...Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
Third hand information:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
I heard in a lecture about shamanism that what the shamans said was: if they picked a mushroom and threw away the end of it, with the dirt, etc still attached, and then tried to enter the shamanic realm, they were told to find the rest before they were allowed access.
My thoughts are that if we were to talk about a spirit inside the mushroom or something spiritual linked to the mushroom, the "worldly" arguments don't directly apply - e.g. pain felt. Furthermore I would doubt that the mushroom is the spirit, or that there is a spirit living inside, but rather that it would resemble some kind of physical link granting access to whatever you want to call it, spiritual, non linear/dualistic realm, hallucinogenic, whatever. The devouring to me seems almost symbolic, in the sense of a merging.
The point I was initially trying to make is viewed similarly in this sense by many forms of buddhism, in that "nothing should be declined" - as in everything the world has to offer is to be (graciously) accepted. Which includes meat for example - and that's coming from a strict vegetarian.
I'm not saying that this is how it is, or what I believe, but how I understand it being meant.
Obviously, this is the mythological, experience orientated approach and not a chemical, objective one. While arguing, I think that people should be on the same page before it's really possible to reach any understanding. And obviously words like spirit or realm in this context are very blurry descriptions. But I wouldn't know how to be more precise. I guess clarity comes through dialogue and experience.
It's also worth noting that picking and eating a mushroom doesn't kill "it" any more than picking a flower kills the plant that it grew on. Mushrooms are essentially flowers. Awesome flowers that make your brain to awesome things. This is where I would usually start whining about how it's been too long since I've eaten mushrooms but I was just minding my business using the internet at the mall the other day and somebody asked to use my lighter and than gave me a heaping handful of fresh mushrooms. So of course I ate them right there. It was a nice experience. I walked up Iao valley and had myself a nice little trip. Full on visuals and meditative state. Damn I love me some shrooms.
Well maybe it isn't more intelligent, but it has a different intelligence, and from this different intelligence you can learn something.. it was wrong of me to say higher intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquanina
Anyway, even if you do not believe that mushrooms are intelligent, they do change your perception of the world. And by just changing your perception of the world, you see the world through new eyes. Your own intelligence is nothing but your perception on the world, so mushrooms change your own intelligence. It is like they are borrowing you their eyes.. I guess it doesn't matter if the mushroom is alive or not.
What kind of visuals do you guys get on mushrooms? For me it's a wireframe I'm seeing, I'm wondering how it is possible, that many people I talked to, see the exact same thing? I'm starting to think that this wireframe might actually be underlying structure of reality, it could be "the aether". They could be electromagnetic waves.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9295/emwavez.jpg
Anyone experienced the same? In my case they are red lines tho.
the spirit of the mushroom is talking to us through the mind altering chemicals it produces
I'm sorry but aren't you the one that's never done shrooms? So you are basing this on experiments or observations or what?
Have tried them a few times in college. There are actually two types (that I know if), one grows on cow shit, and the other (where my experience lies) are grown in mason jars. The one in mason jars are injected with Psilocybin (it forces your brain to release a chemical to combat the psilocybin) and the chemical that your brain releases causes the visuals. So basically you trip off a chemical that your body produces. And depending on the amount, the visuals can be really intense.
sounds too, I swear I heard light bend, and what was really crazy was I was with a few friends then, and I wasnt the only one who heard it. more than one person will see the same visuals, which is really crazy as well. The colors are stright out of a dream. I would wave my lit cigarette and there would be a stream of color following the cherry.
My tips are make sure you are in a good headspace. have at the ready things that glow in the dark, maybe a headlamp, some Pink Floyd, the Doors, or some techno to listen to, and I recommend go out at night into a remote spot, maybe in the woods, but deff away from people. Oh, and some OJ and Dr Pepper to drink
My only caution is having a bad trip (not so much like a trip, you can stop a trip anytime, its more like a plane ride, you can not get off for 4 hours). And those 4 hours will seem like 8.
Have fun
I have, like a frame or wire work, I cant really define it, what you need to do is take it one step further. Because I am not a scientist, or a pharmacist, or a psychologist more correctly, I can not say for fact, but I believe that is the frame work that allows you to add the colors to everything. I really can not describe it, because when it clicked it all happened naturally and there was no forcing it. There was no telling of the mind to fill my world with color, it all just happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
I point to shrooms, to that moment in time that changed my preception of the universe, when my mind opened and I became what I have always been... myself.
hmm I was stoned when I said that and it sounded like it made sense. What I believe is that everything happens for a reason. So when plants or mushrooms or what ever create chemicals that allow you to know who you really are, I think there is a spiritual intention behind it. Its not just a completely random coincidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned
Guys, if we take this figuratively, it's perfectly accurate and good advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba
if you have tripped on salvia and enjoyed it then i would say you are very well prepared mate. salvia scares the crap out of me because it temporarily wipes my memory, so i have no chance of getting lucid in the trip. mushies are much more gentle, and at a low dose you probably wont even trip properly, just be amazingly relaxed and giggly. first time i did them, i was on my own watching toons and it ws brilliant. i figured if i freaked out, it would only make it worse to be around other people, and as i wasnt aiming for the stars it was 100% fine. in fact later tries only brought about any worry when other people start asking you if you are ok.. not that an experienced sitter isnt a good idea though, just were all different. going to try some again soon myself. ive had good hypnagogic imagery from them just through gazing at things until the morph, but that was when i had no idea what was going on. now i understand it a little better and am going to try to use the imagery to enter a full on wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
also even a bad trip can be one of the best experiences of your life because you can learn so much about yourself, and why you may have these negative throughtforms that cause the bad trip in the first place.
good posts chayba, although i would say that the consciousness of the mushroom allows you to open your higher consciousness. i think nothing has higher consciousness than anything else, just that everything is at a different stage along the path to full consciousness. oops i see you have altered that. yes ive seen the etheric grid too, at least i guess thats what it was.
i have had a good time on shrooms with music like the doors etc, but for a more intense trip id suggest listening to more relaxed instrumental ambient type things that will have nothing about them that can freak you out. or just sounds from a rainforest or something similar