Thread: shroom advice

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

The truth of the matter is, believe it or not, the mushroom is a spirit, which is alive. It will teach you something that you need to know. There is no point in going against it or trying to steer it in a positive direction. What mushrooms try to do is steer you into such direction, that the trip will influence and imrpove the rest of your life. All you need to do is have faith in the mushroom which has higher intelligence than you.

If you trip, and you say, ok I want it to be like this or that, it's like going to a teacher and saying to him you only want to hear this or that word... lol it really doesn't work like that in my experience.

I agree.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

The truth of the matter is, believe it or not, the mushroom is a spirit, which is alive.

A mushroom is a living thing yes...a fungus...that we kill by picking and eating it. I wonder if the mushroom spirit cries as it passes through my digestive system?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

All you need to do is have faith in the mushroom which has higher intelligence than you.

How is a mushroom more intelligent than a me?

I believe that plants and perhaps fungus evolved to become masters of chemistry, where as animals evolved to become masters of muscle movement and consciousness. There are chemicals that plants can make that we humans cannot even create in a lab. Plants are alive and have consciousness, and we have the ability to talk to them telepathically. We eat them, but one day we will die and our bodies will go back to the earth and be food for plants and fungus.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

We eat them, but one day we will die and our bodies will go back to the earth and be food for plants and fungus.

Unless, of course, you choose to have your corpse cremated and blasted into deep space. That seems like it would be a fun way to go out...

Originally Posted by Aquanina

A mushroom is a living thing yes...a fungus...that we kill by picking and eating it. I wonder if the mushroom spirit cries as it passes through my digestive system?

Third hand information:

I heard in a lecture about shamanism that what the shamans said was: if they picked a mushroom and threw away the end of it, with the dirt, etc still attached, and then tried to enter the shamanic realm, they were told to find the rest before they were allowed access.

My thoughts are that if we were to talk about a spirit inside the mushroom or something spiritual linked to the mushroom, the "worldly" arguments don't directly apply - e.g. pain felt. Furthermore I would doubt that the mushroom is the spirit, or that there is a spirit living inside, but rather that it would resemble some kind of physical link granting access to whatever you want to call it, spiritual, non linear/dualistic realm, hallucinogenic, whatever. The devouring to me seems almost symbolic, in the sense of a merging.

The point I was initially trying to make is viewed similarly in this sense by many forms of buddhism, in that "nothing should be declined" - as in everything the world has to offer is to be (graciously) accepted. Which includes meat for example - and that's coming from a strict vegetarian.

I'm not saying that this is how it is, or what I believe, but how I understand it being meant.

Obviously, this is the mythological, experience orientated approach and not a chemical, objective one. While arguing, I think that people should be on the same page before it's really possible to reach any understanding. And obviously words like spirit or realm in this context are very blurry descriptions. But I wouldn't know how to be more precise. I guess clarity comes through dialogue and experience.

It's also worth noting that picking and eating a mushroom doesn't kill "it" any more than picking a flower kills the plant that it grew on. Mushrooms are essentially flowers. Awesome flowers that make your brain to awesome things. This is where I would usually start whining about how it's been too long since I've eaten mushrooms but I was just minding my business using the internet at the mall the other day and somebody asked to use my lighter and than gave me a heaping handful of fresh mushrooms. So of course I ate them right there. It was a nice experience. I walked up Iao valley and had myself a nice little trip. Full on visuals and meditative state. Damn I love me some shrooms.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

How is a mushroom more intelligent than a me?

Well maybe it isn't more intelligent, but it has a different intelligence, and from this different intelligence you can learn something.. it was wrong of me to say higher intelligence.

Anyway, even if you do not believe that mushrooms are intelligent, they do change your perception of the world. And by just changing your perception of the world, you see the world through new eyes. Your own intelligence is nothing but your perception on the world, so mushrooms change your own intelligence. It is like they are borrowing you their eyes.. I guess it doesn't matter if the mushroom is alive or not.


What kind of visuals do you guys get on mushrooms? For me it's a wireframe I'm seeing, I'm wondering how it is possible, that many people I talked to, see the exact same thing? I'm starting to think that this wireframe might actually be underlying structure of reality, it could be "the aether". They could be electromagnetic waves.



Anyone experienced the same? In my case they are red lines tho.

the spirit of the mushroom is talking to us through the mind altering chemicals it produces

I'm sorry but aren't you the one that's never done shrooms? So you are basing this on experiments or observations or what?

Have tried them a few times in college. There are actually two types (that I know if), one grows on cow shit, and the other (where my experience lies) are grown in mason jars. The one in mason jars are injected with Psilocybin (it forces your brain to release a chemical to combat the psilocybin) and the chemical that your brain releases causes the visuals. So basically you trip off a chemical that your body produces. And depending on the amount, the visuals can be really intense.

sounds too, I swear I heard light bend, and what was really crazy was I was with a few friends then, and I wasnt the only one who heard it. more than one person will see the same visuals, which is really crazy as well. The colors are stright out of a dream. I would wave my lit cigarette and there would be a stream of color following the cherry.

My tips are make sure you are in a good headspace. have at the ready things that glow in the dark, maybe a headlamp, some Pink Floyd, the Doors, or some techno to listen to, and I recommend go out at night into a remote spot, maybe in the woods, but deff away from people. Oh, and some OJ and Dr Pepper to drink

My only caution is having a bad trip (not so much like a trip, you can stop a trip anytime, its more like a plane ride, you can not get off for 4 hours). And those 4 hours will seem like 8.

Have fun

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Well maybe it isn't more intelligent, but it has a different intelligence, and from this different intelligence you can learn something.. it was wrong of me to say higher intelligence.

Anyway, even if you do not believe that mushrooms are intelligent, they do change your perception of the world. And by just changing your perception of the world, you see the world through new eyes. Your own intelligence is nothing but your perception on the world, so mushrooms change your own intelligence. It is like they are borrowing you their eyes.. I guess it doesn't matter if the mushroom is alive or not.


What kind of visuals do you guys get on mushrooms? For me it's a wireframe I'm seeing, I'm wondering how it is possible, that many people I talked to, see the exact same thing? I'm starting to think that this wireframe might actually be underlying structure of reality, it could be "the aether". They could be electromagnetic waves.

Anyone experienced the same? In my case they are red lines tho.

I have, like a frame or wire work, I cant really define it, what you need to do is take it one step further. Because I am not a scientist, or a pharmacist, or a psychologist more correctly, I can not say for fact, but I believe that is the frame work that allows you to add the colors to everything. I really can not describe it, because when it clicked it all happened naturally and there was no forcing it. There was no telling of the mind to fill my world with color, it all just happened.

I point to shrooms, to that moment in time that changed my preception of the universe, when my mind opened and I became what I have always been... myself.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

I'm sorry but aren't you the one that's never done shrooms? So you are basing this on experiments or observations or what?

hmm I was stoned when I said that and it sounded like it made sense. What I believe is that everything happens for a reason. So when plants or mushrooms or what ever create chemicals that allow you to know who you really are, I think there is a spiritual intention behind it. Its not just a completely random coincidence

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

The truth of the matter is, believe it or not, the mushroom is a spirit, which is alive. It will teach you something that you need to know. There is no point in going against it or trying to steer it in a positive direction. What mushrooms try to do is steer you into such direction, that the trip will influence and imrpove the rest of your life. All you need to do is have faith in the mushroom which has higher intelligence than you.

If you trip, and you say, ok I want it to be like this or that, it's like going to a teacher and saying to him you only want to hear this or that word... lol it really doesn't work like that in my experience.

Guys, if we take this figuratively, it's perfectly accurate and good advice.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

I've had many many trips on high doses of bud, I've also tryed salvia several times, but i heard salvia alot different.
Ya the setting is a little sketchy because we are probably going to be walking around on the street most of the time,and also I probably have to come home eventually which may not be a problem if it lasts under 7 hours.
Do you think people would easly be able to tell if we are tripping?

if you have tripped on salvia and enjoyed it then i would say you are very well prepared mate. salvia scares the crap out of me because it temporarily wipes my memory, so i have no chance of getting lucid in the trip. mushies are much more gentle, and at a low dose you probably wont even trip properly, just be amazingly relaxed and giggly. first time i did them, i was on my own watching toons and it ws brilliant. i figured if i freaked out, it would only make it worse to be around other people, and as i wasnt aiming for the stars it was 100% fine. in fact later tries only brought about any worry when other people start asking you if you are ok.. not that an experienced sitter isnt a good idea though, just were all different. going to try some again soon myself. ive had good hypnagogic imagery from them just through gazing at things until the morph, but that was when i had no idea what was going on. now i understand it a little better and am going to try to use the imagery to enter a full on wild.

also even a bad trip can be one of the best experiences of your life because you can learn so much about yourself, and why you may have these negative throughtforms that cause the bad trip in the first place.

good posts chayba, although i would say that the consciousness of the mushroom allows you to open your higher consciousness. i think nothing has higher consciousness than anything else, just that everything is at a different stage along the path to full consciousness. oops i see you have altered that. yes ive seen the etheric grid too, at least i guess thats what it was.

i have had a good time on shrooms with music like the doors etc, but for a more intense trip id suggest listening to more relaxed instrumental ambient type things that will have nothing about them that can freak you out. or just sounds from a rainforest or something similar