Thread: Sink Under Bed Technique (SUB)

Interresting. I should give this a try for sure.

Oh my, the factor of "Sinking" into/under your bed sounds like it will work phenominally, based upon my own experiances of feeling like im sinking into my bed as a general indication of a relaxed/near sleep state.

I'm going to try this one tonight, what is your personal success rate for
1. dream clarity/vivid/etc/etc
2. Induction of a lucid dream

Great!. Idea

I thought of this after having almost no success with the other WILD techniques.

So far, I have had maderate success every time I tried it. The first time, I was in a playground from my childhood. I definately was aware of what was around me, and I saw a tire swing moving back and forth, but the overall clarity just wasnt there. I stayed in that spot for a while, and whenever I lost lucidity, It would go totally clear.

The second time, I went through the trapdoor into the paradise with a field full of tall grass, yellow flowers, and trees. http://static.panoramio.com/photos/o...l/10119696.jpg I lay in the grass for a while with my girlfriend. It wasnt completely vivid, but was still amazing.

Last night I did it again, and went to my uncles back yard. At first it was hazy, but then when I examined my surroundings like where each tree was, and that there was a table with three chairs around it and a patio with a crack down the middle, it became a LOT more clear. I unintentionally looked at my watch, (I dont actually have a watch) and it said 4:17. I thought if I were in school I would just be getting home now. I lost lucidity.

Basically this method has definatally gotten me into the dreamworld the three times I have tried it, but my problems now are clarity, and maintaining lucidity which I cant seem to have together. Otherwise it works.

edit: I removed your image tags, the pic was just way too big -nina

this is something i did a few years ago when i started with LD.
nevertheless i changed the method after sometime of trying because my mind told me if i wanted to fly i had to go trough the top although SUB seemed a lot easier for me. after a while i forgot it...now it´s here again

your method has another advantage:
thinking of an other world under your bed influences your subconsciousness, so WILDing becomes easier after some time of practise IMO.

thanks for your input...i´m gonna try this (again) in some minutes.

I'll definitely give this a shot since (like a previous member posted in here) I get a falling sensation when I shift into SP. So I could use this to my advantage to imagine than I am falling through my bed to a "gateway".

Ive been practicing this technique every night and I have some refinements.

I have imagined a trapdoor under my bed leading into the dreamworld, but lately I have been having more success with forgetting that the room around me is even there, and imagining that my bed is sort of flying through the sky of the dreamworld. I imagine the dreamworld with a birdseye view and then do the SUB.

Also, It has been easier to do the SUB in my experience when I imagine myself getting very heavy and I imagine the bed bending in the middle to make a sort of hammock. It helps to imagine the bed as elastic and very stretchy. The farther I can stretch the bed down with my weight, the better. When I go through the bed I imagine it springing back to where it was while I am under it in the dream world

I'm going to try this, but instead of falling through my bed I'm going to try rolling off it into a trapdoor because I always get that sensation when I'm falling asleep

Failed.

i going to attempt to vairiant it off too; myself pretending that my bed is a portal slowly absorbing me into the dreamworld

Originally Posted by Toastypleez

I'm going to try this, but instead of falling through my bed I'm going to try rolling off it into a trapdoor because I always get that sensation when I'm falling asleep

Ugh. It failed, but it's probably because I tried to WILD too, and I got too freaked out and so I just fell asleep normally

I am going to try this tonight.

Originally Posted by Xyrin

I am going to try this tonight.

Same here!

It didn't work... While trying to get SP I fell asleep... I think it was a WILD! Because I still had a Lucid! I FLEW!

So, which part of it didnt work?

was anyone able to feel the sensation of sinking under your bed?

This is definately difficult to do, but from personal experience It always works to some degree if I manage to sink under my bed.

Ill try explaining in more detail how I do this to see if it helps.

There are a few main problems that I encounted when attempting a SUB.

1. I cannot attain deep enough relaxation.

Some nights I am just to energetic, stressed, or anxious to attain deep relaxation. At theses times there is really nothing I can do to become relaxed because by trying too hard to become relaxed, it is impossible.

A good way to practice relaxation is with this guided meditation. Get some headphones, lie down on your back and listen to this everyday for a while. This has HUGELY improved my ability to relax deeply.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLEweEr-Ow0

I have memorized the guided steps in this video and use them when attempting a SUB. They work very well for me. It may be good practice to attempt a SUB while deeply relaxed using this video.

As a side note, if you cannot feel a piece of your body that part is completely relaxed. It is good to try to get most of your body to this state.

2. I cannot sink under my bed.

This is the most difficult step. It requires you to believe that something is happening which you know logically is not. It is much easier to do when your mind is in a dream state, and your subconcious is able to create false realities around you.

Do not expect it to work as soon as you are relaxed. It takes time to work. If I am attempting a WILD SUB, I need at least 15 to 20 minutes of staying deeply relaxed before I attempt it.

It is important to imagine sinking under your bed. I dont want to overcomplicate things and have you trying to remember a series of steps while trying to do this, but this is what I do:

After becoming deeply relaxed for a while, I imagine all tension flowing upwards out of my body as I sink downwards. Dont even think about your surroundings at this point, just imagine you are accelerating downwards. Imagine that the tension is lightwieght, and as it leaves you, you become enormously heavy. So heavy that you cannot move a muscle because you are pinned to your bed. Imagine this for at least five minutes.

Imagine that your bed is extremely elastic.

Imagine that you sink into your bed deeply like you would sink into a hammock. When you really sink into a hammock, the left and right sides of the hammock make walls on either side of you. When I do a SUB, I imagine that I sink into my bed in the same manner, except the walls are about 4 feet high. I REALLY sink DEEP into my bed. Before I sink through my bed, I am actually below the floor level of my bedroom.

Sometimes it helps to imagine bending just my knees or just my waist before I sink underneath my bed. This is much easier than trying to dive in all at once. It helps to stick my feet in the dreamworld first. If I am lying on my back, it feels like I am still lying on my bed, except its like I am dangling my feet of the edge of the bed. It also helps to let your legs dangle and swing them back and forth. I have actually slid through this hole that my legs were sticking through into the dreamworld once. Another technique is to imagine sticking your arms through the matress, and to push your torso through the matress almost like youre doing a pushup.

Overall, it is much easier to do a SUB combined with a WBTB or especially a DEILD. It is amazing combining a SUB with a DEILD, but then again a DEILD works amazingly well on its own.

3. I cannot maintain lucidity.

I dont want to give advice here because this is the area I struggle with most. All of my succesful SUBs and all of my lucid dreams for that matter have ended with losing lucidity.

It has helped me to use the mantra "This reality is a dream" while attempting a SUB.

But, the bottom line is, you have to turn of pat of your logical mind in order to believe that you are actually sinking under your bed. In order to do this the chances of you remembering that it is a dream decrease. This is probably the greatest flaw with this technique.

If you have any suggestions for maintaining lucidity during this please let me know.

Hope this helps.

Scenery to imagine.

1. Flock Hill, New Zealand: Used in The Lion The Witch, and The Wardrobe battle scene.

Spoiler for Flock Hill:

Credit to http://www.mooseyscountrygarden.com/...ll-narnia.html

2.The Grand Canyon, The United States of America

Spoiler for The Grand Canyon:

Credit to http://www.dirjournal.com/info/ten-o...-of-the-world/

3. Mount Zlatibor, Serbia

Spoiler for Mount Zlatibor:

Source: Multiple sources; used Google

Nice long description.
I like the technique you use, however, I think the most important part of this is not necessarily the sinking under bed, but the ability to relax into such a state that you are actually able to make it work.

Once you have reached that level of deep relaxation, I think it's not that important anymore which technique you use, as long as it somehow creates a feeling of movement away from your physical body laying in bed. For instance, instead of sinking into the bed, you could imagine your bed turning into a huge swing which is swinging back and forth 180 degrees, and then you just use that feeling of movement for your exit. It's probably more of a personal preference, I for instance have never been able to create that feeling of sinking into the bed, but I was able to create a feeling of rotation around my body axis.

If you are not relaxed deeply enough beforehand, neither of these techniques is going to work, because your mind will just not accept the altered reality (movement which actually doesn't exist) you try to force onto your body.

Can you also make this work when you are not laying on your back?

very true. Once you are in that state of deep relaxation you can basically use any technique.

However, the SUB technique is beneficial for two reasons.

1. It puts you into an even deeper state of relaxation. When I do the SUB it feels like it would almost be straining to become even more relaxed. Stress is a big reason why lucid dreaming fails. There is no such thing as to realxed for lucid dreaming. It provides you with a calm attitude in which you can accept the hypnogogic imagery, and it destroys the impatience that can prevent lucid dreams from happening. I have used several guided meditations which instruct the listener to imagine sitting in a chair and sinking deeply into it. This has proven to really immerse me into the meditation, and works well for me with falling asleep.

2. It allows you to consiously change your reality to the point where you can seemlessly transition from the reality you experienced in waking life to the reality in the dream. The problem for me personally with the WILD technique is that I do not feel immersed in the scenario I am imagining. It feels like an unreal fantasy that I will snap out of at any time. With the SUB technique, or techniques involving floating out of your body, or rolling out of your body. It is much easier to feel immersed in the dream and forget about your body alseep in your bed at home.

Can you do this technique when you arent on your back? Ablolutely. I cannot fall alseep on my back. I find it easier to do a SUB while on my stomach. I was inspired to use this technique when I was going to sleep normally and I started seeing imagery of an archery range under my bed. I was looking at it from above and it seemed a lot clearer when I imagined it as part of my present reality instead of trying to enter a new reality. I didnt do a SUB at this time, but it would have worked if I tried it.

Reading those visualization had me daydreaming pretty good; I remember doing something close to this as a child.

Huh. I think I tried this before. Well...somewhat.

This seems to be a pretty natural thing to do. Is there a better or different variation to this technique that has been successful?

This looks interesting, I'll try it out.

I know it may be a stupid question but..as with WILD is it better to do the "SUB" technique after 5-6 hours of sleep?

Yes, its definately better to try it after 5-6 hours. WILD techniques simply do not work when you immediately fall asleep because you dont start dreaming until 5-6 hours into sleeping. Please dont waste your time like so many have trying and failing to WILD at bedtime.

If you are just starting out, I would actually not reccomomend the SUB technique. Try some more proven methods first. Im still developing and refining this technique, and so far it has only worked for me.

This sounds really cool and I have a very active imagination, so it shouldn't be too much trouble for me I tired WILDing the past two days and it failed, so this sounds a lot easier, can't wait to try it!

This sounds very promising! I can't wait to try this! I will post my results if I can remember