Thread: Forced Brief Awakening (FBA) Induction Technique - Early Testing

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

The thing with Aurora is that, for me personally, its is simply a DEILD alarm.

What I want from an EILD device is a toolkit that allows me to tailor a particular approach on a particular night using highly flexible combinations of timers, REM detection, current time, signaling, and success/fail feedback (feedback is critical!). With this basis, you can create notifications that focus on DEILD or DILD, as many times a night as you'd like. Aurora seems flexible from what you say.

Are there any ways in the tools to indicate either in the moment (ideally) or afterwards in a post-mortem analysis of the night that a particular signaling was wrong? I.e., that you were awake? I would think that feedback like that would be critical to the success of the evolving REM detection and signaling. In particular, I would hope that what would come out of "training" the device on your own sleep patterns would be a personal REM detection and notification regime that is effective for the particular user.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

What I want from an EILD device is a toolkit that allows me to tailor a particular approach on a particular night using highly flexible combinations of timers, REM detection, current time, signaling, and success/fail feedback (feedback is critical!). With this basis, you can create notifications that focus on DEILD or DILD, as many times a night as you'd like. Aurora seems flexible from what you say.

Are there any ways in the tools to indicate either in the moment (ideally) or afterwards in a post-mortem analysis of the night that a particular signaling was wrong? I.e., that you were awake? I would think that feedback like that would be critical to the success of the evolving REM detection and signaling. In particular, I would hope that what would come out of "training" the device on your own sleep patterns would be a personal REM detection and notification regime that is effective for the particular user.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Hi Fryingman, after a night with the Aurora on, I can upload the data to the app / website and it gives a graph of all the sleep stage including exactly when the lights cued, the graph shows deep sleep light sleep and rem. Also at any time during the night if I press the button on the device it will show that on the graph also.

So if im lying there awake and the lights cue then I can click the button and analyize what the graph shows the next day. Sometimes it shows on the graph that I was in REM when I know I was actually awake. This I believe is to do with REM and light sleep / awake having similar characteristics and so the algorithm thinks its in rem.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Also, why would you want the device to trigger in deep sleep? We cant lucid or OBE in deep sleep ..... or can we? :-/

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi Fryingman, after a night with the Aurora on, I can upload the data to the app / website and it gives a graph of all the sleep stage including exactly when the lights cued, the graph shows deep sleep light sleep and rem. Also at any time during the night if I press the button on the device it will show that on the graph also.

So if im lying there awake and the lights cue then I can click the button and analyize what the graph shows the next day. Sometimes it shows on the graph that I was in REM when I know I was actually awake. This I believe is to do with REM and light sleep / awake having similar characteristics and so the algorithm thinks its in rem.

That's a good feature. Better would be if you could click "I was actually awake here" and the device would adjust its algorithms accordingly.

Also, why would you want the device to trigger in deep sleep? We cant lucid or OBE in deep sleep ..... or can we? :-/

I probably should have written "when sleep is deeper." It's much easier to fall back asleep (at least for me) earlier in the night. The closer to morning it gets, the more overall awake I find myself, and more sensitive to external stimuli. So early REM could use stronger signaling perhaps, and later REM "quieter" signaling.