Thread: Forced Brief Awakening (FBA) Induction Technique - Early Testing

Thanks, Ezzo, for the update . Aurora is supposed to be all about practice, not theory. Lights/audio/vibrate effectiveness may vary per person, over time. At some point, I hope people will post reviews, there are supposedly hundreds of devices shipped to early supporters now.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Thanks, Ezzo, for the update . Aurora is supposed to be all about practice, not theory. Lights/audio/vibrate effectiveness may vary per person, over time. At some point, I hope people will post reviews, there are supposedly hundreds of devices shipped to early supporters now.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Thanks, Ezzo, for the update . Aurora is supposed to be all about practice, not theory. Lights/audio/vibrate effectiveness may vary per person, over time. At some point, I hope people will post reviews, there are supposedly hundreds of devices shipped to early supporters now.

The thing with Aurora is that, for me personally, its is simply a DEILD alarm. The ideal situation would be for me to put it on, it then detects REM and flashes lights to wake me up to perform a DEILD but in reality thats only happened a few times. There is a 'secret' forum for Aurora users (On Slack) and only a few people are trying to master DEILD with the device - the majority are expecting to just put the thing on and become lucid, but we know thats just not going to happen for them.

Im going to spend the next 4 weeks really putting Aurora through its paces. I must say that the accompanying app / website that shows the sleep data is extremely good and its really easy to adjust the light settings (colour, intervals, length of flashes etc).

I am beginning to think that a WBTB is needed to see the lights when returning to sleep as the WBTB makes sleep lighter.

The Aurora has about 30 built in 'tunes' but they come from the motherboard and are very very 'tinny' much like the old digital watch alarms of the 1990's. However the 1 time I did try the Aurora with a 'tune' it did wake me and I did have a DEILD - I must need to retry.

So for the next month im going to attempt a DEILD using the built in audio tunes. I will post my results and hopefully the audio route will work better for me.

Fryingman - How do you DEILD? For me I use the Michael Raduga Techniques from his book 'The Phase'.

If I was to post a review of Aurora, Id say the following ...

The packaging / presentation and 'look' of the device is fantastic / stylish and much like the feel of unboxing a new phone
The manual - was written by me!!!! :-) so I will say its a great manual :-)
The app / website to analyze sleep data is amazing
The ability to alter the light settings and timings is also 10/10
The rem detection I would give 7/10 - it does give a lot of false readings and false light cues
Comfortability - really comfy, easy to sleep in but has given me a headache a few times (maybe the straps were too tight)

I think for the future they need to implement much better audio with the ability to record your own voice and then be able to transmit via bluetooth to earbuds

Overall the Aurora is pretty good, there are a lot of bugs but iWinks are always trying to improve it. They are always releasing software / firmware updates to improve the algorithmn. I get the impression that the iWinks team are really in this for the long haul and im sure there will be Aurora 2.0 in the future.

Ezzo

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

The thing with Aurora is that, for me personally, its is simply a DEILD alarm.

What I want from an EILD device is a toolkit that allows me to tailor a particular approach on a particular night using highly flexible combinations of timers, REM detection, current time, signaling, and success/fail feedback (feedback is critical!). With this basis, you can create notifications that focus on DEILD or DILD, as many times a night as you'd like. Aurora seems flexible from what you say.

Are there any ways in the tools to indicate either in the moment (ideally) or afterwards in a post-mortem analysis of the night that a particular signaling was wrong? I.e., that you were awake? I would think that feedback like that would be critical to the success of the evolving REM detection and signaling. In particular, I would hope that what would come out of "training" the device on your own sleep patterns would be a personal REM detection and notification regime that is effective for the particular user.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

What I want from an EILD device is a toolkit that allows me to tailor a particular approach on a particular night using highly flexible combinations of timers, REM detection, current time, signaling, and success/fail feedback (feedback is critical!). With this basis, you can create notifications that focus on DEILD or DILD, as many times a night as you'd like. Aurora seems flexible from what you say.

Are there any ways in the tools to indicate either in the moment (ideally) or afterwards in a post-mortem analysis of the night that a particular signaling was wrong? I.e., that you were awake? I would think that feedback like that would be critical to the success of the evolving REM detection and signaling. In particular, I would hope that what would come out of "training" the device on your own sleep patterns would be a personal REM detection and notification regime that is effective for the particular user.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Hi Fryingman, after a night with the Aurora on, I can upload the data to the app / website and it gives a graph of all the sleep stage including exactly when the lights cued, the graph shows deep sleep light sleep and rem. Also at any time during the night if I press the button on the device it will show that on the graph also.

So if im lying there awake and the lights cue then I can click the button and analyize what the graph shows the next day. Sometimes it shows on the graph that I was in REM when I know I was actually awake. This I believe is to do with REM and light sleep / awake having similar characteristics and so the algorithm thinks its in rem.

Ideally there could be "phase of night" differences: in the early (mostly deep sleep) night, it could use more aggressive signaling, while later in the night (lighter sleep) the notifications would be adjusted so as not to prevent falling back asleep again.

Also, why would you want the device to trigger in deep sleep? We cant lucid or OBE in deep sleep ..... or can we? :-/

Originally Posted by ezzolucid

Hi Fryingman, after a night with the Aurora on, I can upload the data to the app / website and it gives a graph of all the sleep stage including exactly when the lights cued, the graph shows deep sleep light sleep and rem. Also at any time during the night if I press the button on the device it will show that on the graph also.

So if im lying there awake and the lights cue then I can click the button and analyize what the graph shows the next day. Sometimes it shows on the graph that I was in REM when I know I was actually awake. This I believe is to do with REM and light sleep / awake having similar characteristics and so the algorithm thinks its in rem.

That's a good feature. Better would be if you could click "I was actually awake here" and the device would adjust its algorithms accordingly.

Also, why would you want the device to trigger in deep sleep? We cant lucid or OBE in deep sleep ..... or can we? :-/

I probably should have written "when sleep is deeper." It's much easier to fall back asleep (at least for me) earlier in the night. The closer to morning it gets, the more overall awake I find myself, and more sensitive to external stimuli. So early REM could use stronger signaling perhaps, and later REM "quieter" signaling.