Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Originally Posted by TheAssassin56

It's written. This is part of the technique and you must resist this urge no matter what. That's what he wrote.
I'm looking forward to this technique, but i'm still afraid of SP even though i never experienced it. Damn it what a waste!

Don't worry, the SP can be fascinating once you wish to explore it.

He's right about the part on resisting the urge to move. It's not the only way, or necessarily the easiest but it's good when you persevere. The only problem is it can get so uncomfortable you just don't have any will power left, but usually at this stage your attempt has already failed and you would proceed with trying WILD or just falling asleep. The nice part about DEILD is that the hardest part should be getting the wakingup right, after this entering the dream shouldn't be too difficult.

Give it your best shot

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

The nice part about DEILD is that the hardest part should be getting the wakingup right, after this entering the dream shouldn't be too difficult.

Aye, but there's the rub. I very very rarely having these wake-up-know-I-was-dreaming-remain-still-and-quickly-drift-back-to-sleep perfect moments. Waking from LDs almost all the time is due to excitement so I'm usually *very* awake and aware, I have yet to fall back into an LD from an LD. My LDs are also frequently at the end of the last sleep cycle of the day so my body/brain is just "done" with dreaming and can't make it back in. And when I wake from NDs, I'm usually so "out of it" that it takes a while to realize I had been dreaming at all, and by then I've usually already rolled over or my hands are numb or I have to use the bathroom so badly that I must move.

It seems the alarm (from any source) DEILDs are the most likely to succeed since stumbling on those perfect moments through the night randomly seem so rare. Any hints in developing that "wake up with stillness and dream memory" ability would be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Aye, but there's the rub. I very very rarely having these wake-up-know-I-was-dreaming-remain-still-and-quickly-drift-back-to-sleep perfect moments. Waking from LDs almost all the time is due to excitement so I'm usually *very* awake and aware, I have yet to fall back into an LD from an LD. My LDs are also frequently at the end of the last sleep cycle of the day so my body/brain is just "done" with dreaming and can't make it back in. And when I wake from NDs, I'm usually so "out of it" that it takes a while to realize I had been dreaming at all, and by then I've usually already rolled over or my hands are numb or I have to use the bathroom so badly that I must move.

It seems the alarm (from any source) DEILDs are the most likely to succeed since stumbling on those perfect moments through the night randomly seem so rare. Any hints in developing that "wake up with stillness and dream memory" ability would be greatly appreciated!

Actually that's something I struggle with myself too. I just don't like the whole alarm clock method, I don't think it can really wake you up exactly right,

My mantra's have worked on and off, seemingly randomly and never last that long. When it goes right though what happens i notice myself waking up before I have opened my eyes. The mantra I use most often is "I will notice as I'm waking up". I don't what it is about it, but it seems to wake me up through the night and catch the zone just right without forcing it.

More importantly, I actually use a method that another DV'er showed me. Instead of staying completely still you just try sleep but with the intention of waking up again right before you enter the dream. Basically you trick your body into thinking your falling asleep without having to try maintain a certain level of consciousness, then right at the last moment you kinda get shocked in and you can enter the dream lucidly.

I'm almost certain this is the absolute best way to do it, with the right intention it can just come and strike up straight away. The hard part is obviously maintaining the willpower to spend a solid month repeating a mantra before you start seeing any tangible results.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Actually that's something I struggle with myself too. I just don't like the whole alarm clock method, I don't think it can really wake you up exactly right,

I just acquired a REMee and this is one of the uses (DEILD alarm) I intend for it. The trick is to find the right mix of brightness, pattern length and style, and delay. Hopefully it will "wake me up right", or even better, lead me to lucidity directly if not yet lucid if I'm already dreaming!

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I just acquired a REMee and this is one of the uses (DEILD alarm) I intend for it. The trick is to find the right mix of brightness, pattern length and style, and delay. Hopefully it will "wake me up right", or even better, lead me to lucidity directly if not yet lucid if I'm already dreaming!

Ya if that works it could be a very potent mix. Though a REMee still stakes a lot of willpower to use as well. Kepp us notified on the REMee btw, hopefully it produces some good results.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Ya if that works it could be a very potent mix. Though a REMee still stakes a lot of willpower to use as well. Kepp us notified on the REMee btw, hopefully it produces some good results.

Will do. I'm recording my experiences in my "remee reconsidered" thread in lucid aids.

I realized this morning I saw some strange lighting effects last night at one point in a dream (a glass-walled [dream sign] "weather sauna" with lightning, strong winds and rain inside), may have been remee!

If I wake around 5-6 hours I switch it to nap mode. If I'm slow falling asleep I have to reset it to nap mode so it doesn't wake me up just as I'm falling asleep.

I expect a long tuning time, that's OK. Fricking thing is less comfortable and hotter than my regular sleep mask, though. Woke up with my forehead all sweaty at one point.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Don't worry, the SP can be fascinating once you wish to explore it.

He's right about the part on resisting the urge to move. It's not the only way, or necessarily the easiest but it's good when you persevere. The only problem is it can get so uncomfortable you just don't have any will power left, but usually at this stage your attempt has already failed and you would proceed with trying WILD or just falling asleep. The nice part about DEILD is that the hardest part should be getting the wakingup right, after this entering the dream shouldn't be too difficult.

Give it your best shot

I'll give it a shot