Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

It's great how quick you were to get into Deild you are like the best result from this guide XD XD. When I came to DV I barely saw any posts on Deild and I swore that I would change that, and look at it now. Nearly as famous as Wild but easier for most.

Lol thanks. Funny thing is I tried to do DEILD before but I just kept moving and I got so pissed I gave up. But now all of a sudden I am getting good at it when I read this guide. Must be magic or something...

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Ikr? I never had success with DEILD until I saw this guide and I knew I should do it. Strange...

Hi Dutchraptor,

I haven't been following this thread religiously, but I did read and take a copy of your guide onto my desktop for future reference. However what I did notice after a lot of my dreams or when I'm about to wake up then I have got into the habit of still keeping my eyes closed, then staying still.
This is quite a bit of progression for me, because to tell you the truth I haven't really been trying or concentrating.
The problem I do have is often than not then I want to write my (previous) dream down on paper next to me so I have been breaking the attempt off after 30 sec or a minute or so, in fear of forgetting earlier dreams.
I think in future, I will concentrate more on the attempt, even if it means sacrificing a previous (crappy type) dream, and the recall of it.
I brought that point up because I often keep my eyes closed after an LD, just in case I'm having a FA, so I try and 'wait' for another one if you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by RobStar

Hi Dutchraptor,

I haven't been following this thread religiously, but I did read and take a copy of your guide onto my desktop for future reference. However what I did notice after a lot of my dreams or when I'm about to wake up then I have got into the habit of still keeping my eyes closed, then staying still.
This is quite a bit of progression for me, because to tell you the truth I haven't really been trying or concentrating.
The problem I do have is often than not then I want to write my (previous) dream down on paper next to me so I have been breaking the attempt off after 30 sec or a minute or so, in fear of forgetting earlier dreams.
I think in future, I will concentrate more on the attempt, even if it means sacrificing a previous (crappy type) dream, and the recall of it.
I brought that point up because I often keep my eyes closed after an LD, just in case I'm having a FA, so I try and 'wait' for another one if you know what I mean.

Sounds like you are ready so, I'm sure you'll have no problems Deilding seeing as you have passed the first 50%. Let us know how it goes

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Sounds like you are ready so, I'm sure you'll have no problems Deilding seeing as you have passed the first 50%. Let us know how it goes

Thanks.

I might sort out an alarm out with a short/quieter beep tone as well hopefully.
I have been practicing on and off for the last week, usually if I wake up suddenly in the middle of the night. I have (sort of) disciplined myself not to open my eyes, etc. Still got a bit to learn, although it should be an adventure.

Yes I will let you know how I get on.

Regards.

I changed my mantra to see if I would get better results. My last mantra was "The moment I wake up I will not move" today and yesterday I used "When I wake up I will not move" But I moved when I used the second one. I will try this second one more time and if it doesn't work I will use the previous one. The reason why I changed my mantra is because it is someone else and I heard it is better to come up with your own. But I think in this case someone else mantra works. I guess I was trying to fix something that wasn't broken. But I will try that mantra one last time before I go back.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

I changed my mantra to see if I would get better results. My last mantra was "The moment I wake up I will not move" today and yesterday I used "When I wake up I will not move" But I moved when I used the second one. I will try this second one more time and if it doesn't work I will use the previous one. The reason why I changed my mantra is because it is someone else and I heard it is better to come up with your own. But I think in this case someone else mantra works. I guess I was trying to fix something that wasn't broken. But I will try that mantra one last time before I go back.

Good luck!

There has been a couple of times where I've woke up, and all I do is open my eyes but I don't move, at this point is it already too late to try to get back to SP without losing sleep?

Woooohooooo!!. I ALMOST Had a DEILD last night!. I woke up after a certain dream, I felt myself waking up, So I remained still, and kept my eyes closed. I waited like a minute, but I couldn't feel any paralysis? I tried to think about what my last dream was, instead of focusing on paralysis. I thought I heard something though?. I wasn't sure, as I wasn't fully aware or conscious. But I fell back asleep, and I had a lucid dream anyway!!! XD. lol a failure made a success!! . After I woke up from that dream, I almost had DEILD again.

Ok so for some reason my dream recall is getting worse so I'm not sure if this was a dream or it actually happened. But, when I woke up, I kept my eyes closed and thougt about the snippets of the dreams I had that I could remember so that they won't get away. Well, I forgot them but I remember this so I think it actually happened. I woke up naturally in the night and somehow didn't move. I don't know if it was because I knew I was comin out of a dream or i it was by mantra. I started the mantra last night and it was "I won't move when I wake up". I only said it a couple of times so I'm skeptical. Anyway, I woke up with my eyes closes and I didn't move a muscle. After maybe 7 seconds, i felt this strong vibration go through my body. Not really like through it, but it covered my body all at once. I was so sleepy so I couldn't get that excited but I felt great satisfaction. Right after, I heard some weird noises and I heard my mom saying "get up. What are you doing get. Go to school get up." i didnt want to open my eyes 1) because i thought it might make me fail 2) because i thought i might see something scary. I know you only see what you expect to see but since scary stuff is all anyone ever talks about, it was in my head and I knew I would. hahaha. So I knew at the time I had to start visualizing so I visualized me in my house. The picture was coming and going and so I decided I should try rolling out. I tried for about 2 seconds and then fell asleep . sooo what are your thoughts on this?

I hear a lot of people that like to WILD by doing a WBTB by drinking a glass of water before bed.. this kind of seems like a DEILD. I never wake up in the middle of a dream, it's always after.. thus it could be a DEILD, right? Or is the concept of skipping all of sleep paralysis by laying still?

Originally Posted by bobberski

Ok so for some reason my dream recall is getting worse so I'm not sure if this was a dream or it actually happened. But, when I woke up, I kept my eyes closed and thougt about the snippets of the dreams I had that I could remember so that they won't get away. Well, I forgot them but I remember this so I think it actually happened. I woke up naturally in the night and somehow didn't move. I don't know if it was because I knew I was comin out of a dream or i it was by mantra. I started the mantra last night and it was "I won't move when I wake up". I only said it a couple of times so I'm skeptical. Anyway, I woke up with my eyes closes and I didn't move a muscle. After maybe 7 seconds, i felt this strong vibration go through my body. Not really like through it, but it covered my body all at once. I was so sleepy so I couldn't get that excited but I felt great satisfaction. Right after, I heard some weird noises and I heard my mom saying "get up. What are you doing get. Go to school get up." i didnt want to open my eyes 1) because i thought it might make me fail 2) because i thought i might see something scary. I know you only see what you expect to see but since scary stuff is all anyone ever talks about, it was in my head and I knew I would. hahaha. So I knew at the time I had to start visualizing so I visualized me in my house. The picture was coming and going and so I decided I should try rolling out. I tried for about 2 seconds and then fell asleep . sooo what are your thoughts on this?

There is no need to visualize anything if you just want to go to your house. All you needed to do was just roll out after the vibrations calm down. When you do so your mind will go to the LAST place it remembers which is your bedroom. Other than that you were SOOOOOOOOOOO close. Good job man. Next time it happens just roll out of your bed and try NOT to fall asleep. Visualization is needed if you want to start off somewhere else besides your house.

Alright "When I wake up I won't move" doesn't work but "the moment I wake up I will not move" works perfectly. Now the vibrations seem to be hit or miss for me. I would wake up and not move and just stay there and...nothing happens. I focus on my last dream and try to remember and if If nothing happens I just get up and write the dream down. Waking up and not moving is not a problem but doing step 2 is tricky. Its just random but I will figure it out.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

There is no need to visualize anything if you just want to go to your house. All you needed to do was just roll out after the vibrations calm down. When you do so your mind will go to the LAST place it remembers which is your bedroom. Other than that you were SOOOOOOOOOOO close. Good job man. Next time it happens just roll out of your bed and try NOT to fall asleep. Visualization is needed if you want to start off somewhere else besides your house.

now, if you roll out of your body. Will you be floating like an OBE? And if you walk out of your house, will you just end up in your neighborhood, if you dont want to change the dreamscape?

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

now, if you roll out of your body. Will you be floating like an OBE? And if you walk out of your house, will you just end up in your neighborhood, if you dont want to change the dreamscape?

Personally for me, no. I just roll out of bed and 'hit' the floor. It doesn't hurt. Then I just get up and 'open' my eyes and I am just in my dream room. Not floating or anything. And yes you would be in your neighborhood. After all your neighborhood is something you can easily expect to be there when you walk out the door since thats how it is in waking life. Although it may look weird. One time when I DEILD I looked out my window and saw that the street lights were kinda weird looking.

"The moment I wake up I will not move" didn't work

Originally Posted by bobberski

"The moment I wake up I will not move" didn't work

You need to try again. You need to Visualize it, and believe it too.
Sometimes if you believe it, it will still sometimes fail, you just need to keep trying.
That's what I'm doing.

I did come quite close last night after conditioning myself not to open my eyes or move upon waking in the middle of the night. Because of this I was able to remember a previous, but nearly forgotton earlier dream I'd had, quite vividly as well which was amazing in itself.
I was also able to visualize myself flying, etc. at one stage.
I felt myself near enough going into another dream, although I did feel really uncomfortable and warm with a dry mouth, where I needed to get up and go to the bathroom. Otherwise I think I would have done even better with this (aborted) attempt.

Why doesn't the sleep paralysis come on after waking up successfully?. O.o strange.

Wow something weird happened today. So I woke up and stayed still. I felt the vibes coming on but something was strange. As I felt the vibes one of my feet started to feel like it was getting hot, I mean extremely hot like it was on fire. I couldn't bear it so I HAD to move. However I think I was actually in the dream when I moved. Looking back on it. I was in thick covers so it would be impossible to roll out in that. So I was successful in a way but I thought I failed. So I just went back to 'sleep' but of course I was already asleep so I just willingly lost lucidity without knowing it.

Hey Dutchraptor, for you personally, whats the probability that DEILD is successful if you wake up from a dream without moving?

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Wow something weird happened today. So I woke up and stayed still. I felt the vibes coming on but something was strange. As I felt the vibes one of my feet started to feel like it was getting hot, I mean extremely hot like it was on fire. I couldn't bear it so I HAD to move. However I think I was actually in the dream when I moved. Looking back on it. I was in thick covers so it would be impossible to roll out in that. So I was successful in a way but I thought I failed. So I just went back to 'sleep' but of course I was already asleep so I just willingly lost lucidity without knowing it.

Ouch. That's rough, but interesting!

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Wow something weird happened today. So I woke up and stayed still. I felt the vibes coming on but something was strange. As I felt the vibes one of my feet started to feel like it was getting hot, I mean extremely hot like it was on fire. I couldn't bear it so I HAD to move. However I think I was actually in the dream when I moved. Looking back on it. I was in thick covers so it would be impossible to roll out in that. So I was successful in a way but I thought I failed. So I just went back to 'sleep' but of course I was already asleep so I just willingly lost lucidity without knowing it.

Yikes!. I once had Samara Morgan visit me during Sleep Paralysis. Ughhhh I hope to god she doesn't return for round 2! :-s

Originally Posted by LucidRaider

Yikes!. I once had Samara Morgan visit me during Sleep Paralysis. Ughhhh I hope to god she doesn't return for round 2! :-s

Wow that must've been scary. I've been lucky as far as seeing freaky shit. Usually I don't see anything but If I do see something its usually stars or something.