Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Thanks man
First qeustion: yes it can be done after 6 hours of sleep. I prefer around 3 hours because I find it easier to DEILD but it is purely up to you, try experimenting with the time you wake up to feel whats best.

Second question: Counting is a good method, I like it. Again you gotta see what suits you, Counting and visualization work for me, but other prefer other methods. Give it a shot

Thanks man, last night alarm didnt wake me up so i will try again tonight :-)

Thank you man you are the best.It worked first time i tryed.But i wok up before the alarm,fell asleep after turning it off(i tought that i failed wothout the alarm),i had a normal dream and after that i woked up.Compleetly still with my eyes closed and i a few seconds i feeled vibration and saw yellow lights,then saw the dreamscene.I focused on it and bang i was in the dream fully lucid.I spended like an hour or so.I accidently woke up but did the tehnique again and reentered,thank man!

Originally Posted by fasttraceur2

Thank you man you are the best.It worked first time i tryed.But i wok up before the alarm,fell asleep after turning it off(i tought that i failed wothout the alarm),i had a normal dream and after that i woked up.Compleetly still with my eyes closed and i a few seconds i feeled vibration and saw yellow lights,then saw the dreamscene.I focused on it and bang i was in the dream fully lucid.I spended like an hour or so.I accidently woke up but did the tehnique again and reentered,thank man!

Ahaha great stuff. Well done

hey.i still wonder.If i wake up and i am not in rem,can i still deild?idk at what time i woked up after that dream...and i dont wanna spend a lot of nights just to find my rem...But i got to mention that i dream alot.Today my last dream stoped when i woke up at 12am.And i go to bed at like 23:00.But i sleep till 09:00-13:00 am...i will set my alarm after 4 hours of sleep,its that ok if i go to sleep at 23:00?

Originally Posted by fasttraceur2

hey.i still wonder.If i wake up and i am not in rem,can i still deild?idk at what time i woked up after that dream...and i dont wanna spend a lot of nights just to find my rem...But i got to mention that i dream alot.Today my last dream stoped when i woke up at 12am.And i go to bed at like 23:00.But i sleep till 09:00-13:00 am...i will set my alarm after 4 hours of sleep,its that ok if i go to sleep at 23:00?

It is possible, but it can go wrong. However if you happen to try DEILD outside of REM and you don't enter a dream you will usually just fall asleep.
4 hours after sleep is perfect. My favourite is between 3-4 lately but I've DEILDed at every time of the morning. The later you do it in the morning the higher chance of waking from a dream, however it will be harder to fall asleep. The inverse is true of waking up early, easier to fall asleep but less likely to wake up in a dream. You have to find that mix for yourself.

Thank you man.i apreaciate it.Btw i like to use the iphone calendar for a 2 seconds bip.It is wrong if the volume is too high?i tryed once on high volume and woke me up and i was refreshed ),but i think if i set up a low volume it will only bring my awarness and not wake me up completly.

Originally Posted by fasttraceur2

Thank you man.i apreaciate it.Btw i like to use the iphone calendar for a 2 seconds bip.It is wrong if the volume is too high?i tryed once on high volume and woke me up and i was refreshed ),but i think if i set up a low volume it will only bring my awarness and not wake me up completly.

If you guys don´t mind, maybe i can help here

I use an alarm clock ( 2 seconds bip ) every 15 minutes after 4,5 hours of sleep. Usually it hits right in REM 2/3 times per night. I usually can DEILD 1/2 times ( mostly OBE´s )

Try with different volumes..and you will find the best one. And choose a soft ringtone ! Some of them are very arousing

To greatly increase the chances of hearing the alarm, i also do WBTB + SSILD. It´s been pretty effortless for me.

I would like to add something that I read somewhere ages ago... Basically after you wake up, you imagine yourself on your bed as you are lying there (first person), but imagine that there is a skewer going through your body from head to toe. Now some force is spinning this skewer, and you are seeing your ceiling/wall/bed/wall/ceiling (fill in additional details which are in your room, paintings, posters, furniture etc) and keep doing this until you feel what dutchraptor described as an "extremely uncomfortable" sensation. When you get this, imagine yourself spinning off of your bed onto the floor; since this is all imagined, what should happen is that you should fall out of your body into a dream. Let the fun begin.

Originally Posted by shroomer

I would like to add something that I read somewhere ages ago... Basically after you wake up, you imagine yourself on your bed as you are lying there (first person), but imagine that there is a skewer going through your body from head to toe. Now some force is spinning this skewer, and you are seeing your ceiling/wall/bed/wall/ceiling (fill in additional details which are in your room, paintings, posters, furniture etc) and keep doing this until you feel what dutchraptor described as an "extremely uncomfortable" sensation. When you get this, imagine yourself spinning off of your bed onto the floor; since this is all imagined, what should happen is that you should fall out of your body into a dream. Let the fun begin.

That could totally work, thanks for the tip

Awesome guide, I tried DEILD a few times before but your guide is so good that I must try it.
I believe this time it will be a success thanks Raptor

No prob man Let us know how it goes

Well my first attempt with your technique went like this Accidentally incubated dream - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
so it's kinda promising I will try it again tonight.

Can i ask just this?

If you wake up and almost dont move and just act as if youre about to go to sleep is there any chance you might nail a deild with time?

I'll definitely try this! Thanks dutchraptor!

Every time I've tried DEILD after a LD I've never made it back in. However a few nights ago I reentered a dream (non-lucidly, alas) for the first time. The big difference was the state of mind: I was lying quietly, including mentally quietly after the (very brief) LD, lightly thinking about the dream, and I just drifted off and re-entered the dream in a room to the side of where I got lucid. Normally I'm pretty stimulated after a LD, perhaps frustrated a bit at waking up. For me the key is basically staying quiet and staying asleep, and just drifting off again.

The big question then is how to get that pearl of awareness in there to arrive in the dream already lucid...I'll have to experiment.

Originally Posted by CosmicMember44

Can i ask just this?

If you wake up and almost dont move and just act as if youre about to go to sleep is there any chance you might nail a deild with time?

You might, it all just depends on circumstances. Experiment with it, usually a lot of successful attempts are ruined just thinking that some things shouldn't happen. I've gone from thinking that you should lie completely silently to thinking you should be free to move and back and forth multiple times. There is no proper way exactly to do it, other than to feel your success and be relaxed.
Entering sleep without losing consciousness is a delicate process since you must let your body fall asleep, requiring a certain level of calmness. Yet at the same time you must keep your mind awake. More than a year I've practiced Deild and I'm still not sure where the line is.

Just keep trying and eventually you'll hit the spot.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Every time I've tried DEILD after a LD I've never made it back in. However a few nights ago I reentered a dream (non-lucidly, alas) for the first time. The big difference was the state of mind: I was lying quietly, including mentally quietly after the (very brief) LD, lightly thinking about the dream, and I just drifted off and re-entered the dream in a room to the side of where I got lucid. Normally I'm pretty stimulated after a LD, perhaps frustrated a bit at waking up. For me the key is basically staying quiet and staying asleep, and just drifting off again.

The big question then is how to get that pearl of awareness in there to arrive in the dream already lucid...I'll have to experiment.

Ahaha love your thinking there. I'm actually a large fan lately of just falling back to sleep with the intention of somehow keeping my awareness (and regaining it before I have fully entered a dream). There used to be an excellent guide floating around that described precisely that process, and I really liked it because of it's simplicity. Basically the only step is to fall asleep with that intention of holding your awareness.

Experimenting is the key, equally important though is not getting frustrated when it doesn't work out. For literally the past two or three months I didn't get a single LD through DEILD, yet I know I am able.
It can get very frustrating since there's not much to DEILD, if you fail you will only know the next day a lot of the time which gives the impression of a wasted night. In reality every night, failure or success, is valuable. To outline this, just a few nights ago I had one of the most revelation filled hypnagogic sessions, despite having gone through at least a hundred of them already. I just lay there not thinking or anything and all of a sudden I saw the clearest image of a window ever and I instantly remembered that the core to this whole process is falling asleep. A method is a great way to go about Deilding, but only when you follow it loosely. Keeping each step actively in the brain is a waste of energy and a definite way of making sure that you will have a hard time falling asleep.

Woohoo, just woke from my first DEILD!!!!!

It was soooo cool. The details are a bit hazy, but I was recalling some dreams from the night, lightly thinking about them, glad that I had any recall at all (having imbibed on New Year's Eve, and gotten to bed crazy late), and decided to just try to drift off quietly and DEILD, very lightly thinking of one of the dreams.

The next thing I knew I was looking at some indoor scene in a hallway in a house. I think I was aware as the image formed and brightened. It was very bright, the lighting was very good. I thought wow, this is a really solid image, normally my HI is brief but this was really stable, I was kind of puzzled at where it came from. I just looked for about 10-15 seconds. I stepped in to the scene and it was a dream! I got a lucid rush, turned up a staircase to my left, bounded up the stairs, exclaiming, "YES! It worked!" reached the landing at the top of the stairs, another hallway, turned right, a bathroom was right there, I walked into it and started to shut the door behind me, and faded to awake in bed.

The cool thing about this was that I did not wake from a lucid, it was just a ND. Oh boy, I think 2014 is going to be the year of the DEILD for me, this is VERY exciting. I'm going to look into the alarm based options as well!

Stay quiet, stay asleep, and DEILD!

Thank you dutchraptor for this guide - one of the things, I wonder how I didn't read it already.
After what I have experienced - I think it was three times up to now - I thought/also got told - it had been DEILDs.
All the while having doubts about that - since once only, while trying WILD - I had intense vibrations and an extremely clear optical hallucination of a clear blue complex mandala - and then broke off the attempt.
And what I did was more like - waking up from an LD - falling asleep and with short loss of consciousness - to instantly be back in the same dream and lucid.
But not a real transition from being awake.
After what you describe - this is rather an instant DILD follow-up.

I have been able since a long time to sometimes re-enter a non-lucid, if I liked it, after waking up from it - and moving about - even getting up.
I think, these supposed DEILDs of mine were that with lucidity.

My husband is fiddling with my I-Phone at the moment - I wanted this auto-snooze for following another tutorial with multiple alarms - but couldn't get something installed.
Now I will - I really want to try this out tonight.
I suppose, that having had these HH once while almost transitioning - I should get them with a transit in general.
Or do you sometimes not experience any and DEILD anyway?

I would so love to learn DEILD - also pure WILD - but with your approach - the controllability will already be much improved.

Now I just need to get the tech-part right - I am not willing to program myself on waking up noticeably after every dream. That would in the future maybe interfere with work-schedule.
Because of having less time soon - I really want to learn something, that can easily be planned with.

Will report back.
My chances should be high with it, I think - because of this re-entering with short loss of consciousness coming relatively easy to me.

Was watching Michael van Gerwen smash all of his opponents over the last weeks and winning the World Championship of Darts yesterday by the way - what a player!!
Many Dutch are very, very good - you any interested in darts?

Cheers - aand - I wonderful new year I wish you!

Originally Posted by StephL

Thank you dutchraptor for this guide - one of the things, I wonder how I didn't read it already.
After what I have experienced - I think it was three times up to now - I thought/also got told - it had been DEILDs.
All the while having doubts about that - since once only, while trying WILD - I had intense vibrations and an extremely clear optical hallucination of a clear blue complex mandala - and then broke off the attempt.
And what I did was more like - waking up from an LD - falling asleep and with short loss of consciousness - to instantly be back in the same dream and lucid.
But not a real transition from being awake.
After what you describe - this is rather an instant DILD follow-up.

Indeed, though I would often consider the instant Dild to be an equally effective technique. While the two can be very different, there is also the way of doing DEILD (as outlined above) where we have a short lapse in consciousness, yet become lucid before entering the dream. So for a large part they share some properties.

Originally Posted by StephL

I have been able since a long time to sometimes re-enter a non-lucid, if I liked it, after waking up from it - and moving about - even getting up.
I think, these supposed DEILDs of mine were that with lucidity.

Exactly, that's a good example. Those non-lucids do actually exhibit lucid properties though, the fact that you can recall a dream scene like that implies there is some control involved...Interesting.

Originally Posted by StephL

My husband is fiddling with my I-Phone at the moment - I wanted this auto-snooze for following another tutorial with multiple alarms - but couldn't get something installed.
Now I will - I really want to try this out tonight.
I suppose, that having had these HH once while almost transitioning - I should get them with a transit in general.
Or do you sometimes not experience any and DEILD anyway?

Not always, but the problem with DEILD is that, sometimes they're very clear and sometimes is a big mess. So I can't conclusively say exactly how it feels, because I forget the feeling as soon as I'm not experiencing it (on most occasions).
There are two cases were I have gone against the coming norms of lucid dreaming, multiple times where I've entered dreams consciously with absolutely no HH, and a few times I've entered a lucid before sleep. Both cases have proved to me that almost anything can happen, in any circumstance.

Originally Posted by StephL

I would so love to learn DEILD - also pure WILD - but with your approach - the controllability will already be much improved.

If you succeed, it certainly can, hence why I made the title "becoming an LD god". On the other hand, it's not a forgiving technique. The alarm method works, but poorly in comparison to being able to wake naturally and you will waste many nights experimenting. The natural approach on the other hand can take months to master, with may seem like wasted months. When you fail a DEILD attempt, you should fall asleep (always pull through to the end) and you will probably just wake up the next morning without a lucid.
When you do master it though.....It's very powerful.

Originally Posted by StephL

Now I just need to get the tech-part right - I am not willing to program myself on waking up noticeably after every dream. That would in the future maybe interfere with work-schedule.
Because of having less time soon - I really want to learn something, that can easily be planned with.

Will report back.
My chances should be high with it, I think - because of this re-entering with short loss of consciousness coming relatively easy to me.

Good luck, as you said you should do fine. Hope you get it quickly

Originally Posted by StephL

Was watching Michael van Gerwen smash all of his opponents over the last weeks and winning the World Championship of Darts yesterday by the way - what a player!!
Many Dutch are very, very good - you any interested in darts?

Cheers - aand - I wonderful new year I wish you!

Yup, I watched it too. Not a true fan, but I enjoy watching the world championships and I like playing darts. Michael van gerwen is crazy good.

Happy new year to you too stephL. Let's hope 2014 is a fruitful year for LDing

Thank you!

Ah - I have a problem - thought my husband had sorted it out - do you know, how to do the auto-snooze on DreamZ, goodNite or Alarmed for I-Phone - am too stupid/tired and husband too unwilling..?
Otherwise I consult the net tomorrow.
Maybe the waking up will not be a problem - I try it for tonight, if I don't get an alarm going off on it's own.

Interesting at what you hint there - will surely ask more one time.

You know - I dream of trying out lucid darting - just saw a documentary* on Arté - about lucid dreaming - also in sports-psychology..
I think of slow-motion, 3rd person perspective, simulating a pro teaching you - some sort of drive towards good gestalt, I read about..

Edit: *Saw it yesterday evening - repetition on Sunday 11:20 am or so.

HAHAHA!!

I think i got an extra bounce closer to deild .

What came to me tonight is that groggyness is a big part of deild and that you cant succeed if you wake and do everything right but this.
Also you dont have to stay still completely as long as you dont turn over cause too much movement will
just wake you up from the trance.
A leg or arm is okay if its in a weird postition actually it is better for me if i move arm or leg i think.
This way you wont feel excited about deild cause your tired and will focus more on sleep.

I will focus on this and i felt like this just this morning sad i could not give it much of a try because im not sleeping at home and my little nephew was making too much sound.

Anyway i dont think a normal way of deild will work for me cause most of the time i wake up but feel completely awake and even if i stay still for a normal deild so this one needs a bit of luck as well.

With this you TRULY are closer to sleep than with a normal wild haha.
I understand now how gab meant with her deild and how she think it works also i thank you. Duthcraptor for giving me advice that could lead up to this

Please - somebody tell me how to get auto-snooze on I-Phone - which app - how and where to put it - might be I am stupid or too lazy - but so many times it is mentioned - surely somebody can help me? I can't find the function in my above mentioned apps.
If not in here - I will open a thread on it.

Originally Posted by StephL

Please - somebody tell me how to get auto-snooze on I-Phone - which app - how and where to put it - might be I am stupid or too lazy - but so many times it is mentioned - surely somebody can help me? I can't find the function in my above mentioned apps.
If not in here - I will open a thread on it.

Mine is called 'Alarm Clock HD - Free'. It does work and it does have an autosnooze function. You can chose a song from your iPhone or any sound you like and then set the time after which it turns itself off... It is really easy to find. You just create a new alarm and then you get the option 'autosnooze'. The only downside is that it won't work if you close the app so that means that your battery gets drained quite a bit if you keep it open all night long. I hope this helps

Hope you find it, StephL ! I think not many people use this tech, at least to its full potential. Many people just set one alarm and most often not an autosnooze one. I am glad i found an app for android, but you can´t imagine how furious i get when it doesn´t work. It´s so annoying: you are putting all your hopes in that silly alarm, and then...oh «new update: bug fixed»

edit: did you check these ?

http://appcrawlr.com/ios-apps/best-apps-auto-snooze