Thread: Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

Woke up, stayed still for 3 mins and nothing happens. Ugh! Whats going on. DEILD dry spell? What am I doing differently it worked earlier....

Had another successful night last night! Actually managed to link two lucid dreams together with DEILDing! So happy!
I'm having one small problem though... when I try to 'roll out' or get out of my bed after I transition into the dream world it is INCREDIBLY hard to get out of my bed. I mean, I have to use every muscle in my body to sit up or get my body out of my bed (although I manage to do it) it's kind of annoying. Any ideas how to fix this? Does anyone else experience this?

This sure looks like a good technique for me, since I naturally wake up from a dream almost twice every night.

I'll try this for a few days and will post results here afterwards.

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Had another successful night last night! Actually managed to link two lucid dreams together with DEILDing! So happy!
I'm having one small problem though... when I try to 'roll out' or get out of my bed after I transition into the dream world it is INCREDIBLY hard to get out of my bed. I mean, I have to use every muscle in my body to sit up or get my body out of my bed (although I manage to do it) it's kind of annoying. Any ideas how to fix this? Does anyone else experience this?

try floating out of bed, or imagine a lock opening inside you freeing all your muscles.

Originally Posted by gndiego

This sure looks like a good technique for me, since I naturally wake up from a dream almost twice every night.

I'll try this for a few days and will post results here afterwards.

How about you try for a few weeks

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

try floating out of bed, or imagine a lock opening inside you freeing all your muscles.



How about you try for a few weeks

Will do. It's a very natural and hassle-free technique for me. Also, I have one question, now that I read Kaffy's post:

I once tried a technique that implied in sleeping and waking up several times in a row, using a sneeze button for my alarm. Right after I actually slept, I felt something similar to Kaffy: it was like I was floating/rolling out of bed, towards my right side. Kinda felt like I was going through the floor, and first thing after that I wake up in a lucid dream. Is this common in WILD/SP too?

Originally Posted by Kaffy

Had another successful night last night! Actually managed to link two lucid dreams together with DEILDing! So happy!
I'm having one small problem though... when I try to 'roll out' or get out of my bed after I transition into the dream world it is INCREDIBLY hard to get out of my bed. I mean, I have to use every muscle in my body to sit up or get my body out of my bed (although I manage to do it) it's kind of annoying. Any ideas how to fix this? Does anyone else experience this?

Yeah I have felt resistance when trying to roll out. At first it was hard but after a couple of times it becomes easier to seperate from your sleeping position. You can either wait it out till it gets easier or try floating.

EDIT: Wow you are getting the hang of this. Soon you will become a DEILD master lol

Ever since school started I haven't had time to write in my dream journal so now I can barely remember a dream a night. And, I don't wake up naturally in the night anymore.

Waiting for winter break...

Oh and maybe last week, I have a memory of waking up in the night, moving for a second but remembering what to do and I stayed still. I felt vibrations and really loud noises but nothing after maybe 5 seconds. I have no idea if that was a dream. The only reason I can remember it if it was a dream is because i thought about a bunch after i woke up.

Thanks Dutchraptor and Daredevilpwn, I'll definitely try the 'floating' technique to get out of my bed a little easier, or just wait it out Either way, I'm still incredibly happy I'm able to do DEILDing at all

I managed my 'first' (official, so far as I can remember?) DEILD after practicing on and off for the last two weeks. All I can say is that it was quite a bizzare, but worthwhile experience.
I hadn't been paying too much attention to LD, or this forum recently; to the point where even my usual DILD dreams were suffering, etc. However I thought that I would try this after trying to discipline myself to stay still with my eyes closed upon waking this couple of weeks or so, but I hadn't been doing it religiously.
Although I still have a long way to go with this, but it seems a technique (for anyone interested in LD) in pursuing, or indeed trying.

So thanks Dutchraptor for your excellent guide and to the fellow poster's on here who have offered encouragement on this theme / thread.

Hey guys, if you have an iPhone itouch or an iPad keep reading... There's an app called Dreamz and it wakes you up with a short alarm sound right as you enter REM sleep. I'm going to try it tonight and accompany it with Ditchraptor's DEILD tech. and post my results here.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

Woke up, stayed still for 3 mins and nothing happens. Ugh! Whats going on. DEILD dry spell? What am I doing differently it worked earlier....

I assume that you don't move without knowing.

It might be that you're not hitting REM, which means you'll have to change your wakeup-time. Before messing with time you should investigate the mental part.

Do you fall asleep or do you stay awake?

Do you have the same mindset or has it changed?

Do you use visualisation or OBE-exit for the dream entry?

Do you in any way feel different compared to before?

Good luck, Tucane

Originally Posted by gndiego

Will do. It's a very natural and hassle-free technique for me. Also, I have one question, now that I read Kaffy's post:

I once tried a technique that implied in sleeping and waking up several times in a row, using a sneeze button for my alarm. Right after I actually slept, I felt something similar to Kaffy: it was like I was floating/rolling out of bed, towards my right side. Kinda felt like I was going through the floor, and first thing after that I wake up in a lucid dream. Is this common in WILD/SP too?

Yes all the variations of WILD are associated with thingsw like this. After a while you get used to it.

Originally Posted by CloudOFmichael

Hey guys, if you have an iPhone itouch or an iPad keep reading... There's an app called Dreamz and it wakes you up with a short alarm sound right as you enter REM sleep. I'm going to try it tonight and accompany it with Ditchraptor's DEILD tech. and post my results here.

Yup, I used that for quite a while and it works quite well, lets hope it goes well.

BTW: I can't believe how well this is going, thank you everyone who has particapated. The success and progress in this thread has managed to keep it going on without a break, the enormous progress all of you guys have made gives me hope that one day Deild will be the technique practised by most beginners. I am glad that I have partially proven that Deild might be that ultimate technique most people strive for. Again I wish you good luck and hope that all particapants eventually succeed in what they came here to do.

Originally Posted by gndiego

Will do. It's a very natural and hassle-free technique for me. Also, I have one question, now that I read Kaffy's post:

I once tried a technique that implied in sleeping and waking up several times in a row, using a sneeze button for my alarm. Right after I actually slept, I felt something similar to Kaffy: it was like I was floating/rolling out of bed, towards my right side. Kinda felt like I was going through the floor, and first thing after that I wake up in a lucid dream. Is this common in WILD/SP too?

Yes all the variations of WILD are associated with thingsw like this. After a while you get used to it.

Originally Posted by CloudOFmichael

Hey guys, if you have an iPhone itouch or an iPad keep reading... There's an app called Dreamz and it wakes you up with a short alarm sound right as you enter REM sleep. I'm going to try it tonight and accompany it with Ditchraptor's DEILD tech. and post my results here.

Yup, I used that for quite a while and it works quite well, lets hope it goes well.

BTW: I can't believe how well this is going, thank you everyone who has particapated. The success and progress in this thread has managed to keep it going on without a break, the enormous progress all of you guys have made gives me hope that one day Deild will be the technique practised by most beginners. I am glad that I have partially proven that Deild might be that ultimate technique most people strive for. Again I wish you good luck and hope that all particapants eventually succeed in what they came here to do.

Originally Posted by Tucane

I assume that you don't move without knowing.

It might be that you're not hitting REM, which means you'll have to change your wakeup-time. Before messing with time you should investigate the mental part.

Do you fall asleep or do you stay awake?

Do you have the same mindset or has it changed?

Do you use visualisation or OBE-exit for the dream entry?

Do you in any way feel different compared to before?

Good luck, Tucane

I don't understand what you mean with your first question, if you mean if I stay up late then yes I do, but I have no choice. My mindset has never changed, I have goals for my dreaming adventures to motivate myself to do it. I don't use visualization, I 'roll' out of my bed, so I guess its the OBE method I guess. And do I feel any different from before? No I feel the same.

I already know what my problem is. It is my grandma. You see right now me and my mother are living with my grandma. It is a single bedroom apartment. Grandma sleeps in the bedroom me and my mother sleep on the couches. So there are a lot of potential problems like me not sleeping on a proper bed, but I have DEILDED on my couch before so my next problem is my grandma. She stays up late, even on school nights she stays up late. This is fucking up my sleeping cycles and I bet this is why I am having trouble with DEILD. The reasons I am living with my grandma are personal but before I moved to my grandmas place I had my own room and had a lot more luck getting lucid because I was disciplined and went to bed at a specific time, but now I can't do that.

The app woke me up once (it normally wakes me up a bunch of times but it fell out of my bed after the first time) and I waited a few seconds then did your technique and was COMPLETELY tricked by a false awakening xD... I'll make sure to do a reality check tonight

Originally Posted by CloudOFmichael

The app woke me up once (it normally wakes me up a bunch of times but it fell out of my bed after the first time) and I waited a few seconds then did your technique and was COMPLETELY tricked by a false awakening xD... I'll make sure to do a reality check tonight

What technique are you referring too? Do you mean the 'roll' out method? or some other technique someone posted here that I overlooked

I did what Dutchraptor said... Imagine yourself in a place using all 5 sense... I was very self-destructive though because I stupidly imagined myself in my bed x(... It was all I could think of and I didn't wanna wake myself up too much thinking about a place to go.

Originally Posted by Daredevilpwn

I don't understand what you mean with your first question, if you mean if I stay up late then yes I do, but I have no choice. My mindset has never changed, I have goals for my dreaming adventures to motivate myself to do it. I don't use visualization, I 'roll' out of my bed, so I guess its the OBE method I guess. And do I feel any different from before? No I feel the same.

I already know what my problem is. It is my grandma. You see right now me and my mother are living with my grandma. It is a single bedroom apartment. Grandma sleeps in the bedroom me and my mother sleep on the couches. So there are a lot of potential problems like me not sleeping on a proper bed, but I have DEILDED on my couch before so my next problem is my grandma. She stays up late, even on school nights she stays up late. This is fucking up my sleeping cycles and I bet this is why I am having trouble with DEILD. The reasons I am living with my grandma are personal but before I moved to my grandmas place I had my own room and had a lot more luck getting lucid because I was disciplined and went to bed at a specific time, but now I can't do that.

Seems like you've found our the issue on your own. The only quick solution i can see is trying to make the couch as comfortable as your bed was, using pillows, extra sheets and such. That way you'll get that part of the environment fixed.

For clarification. The first question referred to your failed attempts; you said that nothing happened. I just wondered if you lost conciousness or if you stayed awake when your attempt ended.

Greetings, Tucane

Originally Posted by Tucane

Seems like you've found our the issue on your own. The only quick solution i can see is trying to make the couch as comfortable as your bed was, using pillows, extra sheets and such. That way you'll get that part of the environment fixed.

For clarification. The first question referred to your failed attempts; you said that nothing happened. I just wondered if you lost conciousness or if you stayed awake when your attempt ended.

Greetings, Tucane

Ahh ok thanks for claryfying. What I meant when I said nothing happened is that I simply stay awake, I don't lose consciousness. That only happened once when I tried to DEILD and did a DILD instead. Thanks for the help!

I'd like to thank dutchraptor for this great guide (and everybody on this thread for the conversation/motivation). I don't think i've seen a technique work so quickly for beginners before (usually people are complaining about never getting lucid. Here, people are only complaining about the frequency/dryspells). You've converted me from a MILD+DILD dreamer to a DEILDer.

Went to bed early and tried to DEILD. I felt the vibes but it was only in my foot, I know it wasn't just poor circulation because vibrations from DEILD and just poor circulation feel pretty different, at least to me. After awhile the vibes in my foot stopped and I didn't go into dreamland. But this is a good sign I am getting there so I will take it as a victory.

Just a quick question for y'all: Do you usually end up in the dream scene you imagine or in bed when you DEILD? Almost all my DEILDs have been false awakenings

Originally Posted by VictoReverie

Just a quick question for y'all: Do you usually end up in the dream scene you imagine or in bed when you DEILD? Almost all my DEILDs have been false awakenings

50/50, all you have to do is close your eyes inside the dream again and imagine where you want to be, it's quick and you get used to it after a while.

Almost did a WILD and then a DEILD, I know I was so close to doing these. I lost consciousness Just before I fell asleep during WILD, not exactly trying to do this, just trying to be aware of my thoughts and allow that to carry over to my dreams. Woke up in my Dream in a different room, was trying to go back to sleep when I felt vibrations and they were intense. I then woke up in My room and knew I was awake, but unfortunately I rolled over. But I'm pleased with how real the dream felt, and how close I was to Both of these methods.