Thread: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)

So basically just go with the flow.. I'm not sure I can differentiate between a "phase entrance" or just "sensations" but I guess that's subjective anyway. Thanks for the reply!

I count 3 senses in your post, ...sight,sound,feeling ..we don't need to include smell ? .. just the three ?
And is 5 cycles enough ? ...its only 5 minutes ?

JP

Originally Posted by noxumbra

I count 3 senses in your post, ...sight,sound,feeling ..we don't need to include smell ? .. just the three ?
And is 5 cycles enough ? ...its only 5 minutes ?

JP

In bed there is normally nothing to smell or taste.

Last night I tried SSILD..after 2 cycles, i felt from what i can describe a small vibratiob.
Or maybe a small energy tingle....after that i think i fell asleep. Is this normal?...

So if this technique causes a lot of false awakenings i am definitely going to sleep with a sleep mask on. That way if i do have a false awakening and i can see i know I'm either dreaming or I had a False Awakening

I tried this technique last night and i did about 2 of the repetitions and then my mind drifted off on its own i realized it was doing this and i pulled it back after that i did about 2 more repetitions and when i got the the focusing on the body one my body felt very very light like i was kind of floating i didnt want to move cause i knew i wasnt in sleep paralysis and if i moved it would have ruined it. so i finished the 2nd repetitions and turned over and fell asleep like told. now i didnt have an OBE or an LD but i did have one of the most vivid dreams ive ever had. Like in my dream my friend was watching tv and i remembered the show that was on and what it was saying. anyway im going to try again tonight to see what happens

It doesn't matter if this technique works or not, when I can't fall asleep it puts me into sleep in minutes

After first repetition I'm almost falling asleep lol.

Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF

It doesn't matter if this technique works or not, when I can't fall asleep it puts me into sleep in minutes

After first repetition I'm almost falling asleep lol.

That means you are doing it correctly! Now all you need to do is to fine tune your sleep schedule and the length of staying awake prior to the exercise.

CosmicIron, I have to thank you again for taking the time to share SSILD and answer all of the questions that come up about it. SSILD is what I used to finally get my 3rd lucid dream several months back, and I've used SSILD for the majority of my LD inductions since then. This thing just delivers. Even though I've had success since those early days with MILD (and very recently with WILD), this is the one that I always keep coming back to. So, many thanks for sharing it and for hanging around even controversy would occasionally flare up.

I had a question on how best to employ SSILD when supplemented. I've recently been performing weekly trials w/ galantamine + choline during my WBTB. This has worked great for inducing SSILD-based WILDs, but I remember you discussing some time back that you use G+C for DILDs (via SSILD) with great success. I'm really interested in trying my standard DILD-via-SSILD, but G+C seemed to get me so buzzed that I have trouble falling asleep. That seems to leave WILD as the only option. In fact, if I don't include a tiny bit of melatonin with the G+C (an idea from Yuschak), I get pretty fierce insomnia for the morning sleep.

I guess my question is what sensation I should be looking for when trying to hit SSILD when using G+C? Should I be able to quickly fall asleep, just like with typical SSILD? I'm wondering if the fact that I can't SSILD as quickly as usual is an indication that I need to cut back on my free choline levels (particulary by dropping back on Alpha-GPC). Or should I just be expecting SSILD to take longer with that ACh buzz going?

I just know that when you are really in the SSILD "sweet spot", you can wake up from one LD, run a few cycles, and then hop right back into another one. That's an awesome feeling and I think that hitting a stride like that with high ACh levels would be mind-blowing. But it requires a really smooth, easy transition back into sleep. Have you encountered this particular roadblock yourself?

I will give this a go. Seems like some people are having success with it, so I'll try it out for a week or so

How long does it take usually to get it going? Do people mostly get it first try, or does it take a few attempts?

Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

CosmicIron, I have to thank you again for taking the time to share SSILD and answer all of the questions that come up about it. SSILD is what I used to finally get my 3rd lucid dream several months back, and I've used SSILD for the majority of my LD inductions since then. This thing just delivers. Even though I've had success since those early days with MILD (and very recently with WILD), this is the one that I always keep coming back to. So, many thanks for sharing it and for hanging around even controversy would occasionally flare up.

I had a question on how best to employ SSILD when supplemented. I've recently been performing weekly trials w/ galantamine + choline during my WBTB. This has worked great for inducing SSILD-based WILDs, but I remember you discussing some time back that you use G+C for DILDs (via SSILD) with great success. I'm really interested in trying my standard DILD-via-SSILD, but G+C seemed to get me so buzzed that I have trouble falling asleep. That seems to leave WILD as the only option. In fact, if I don't include a tiny bit of melatonin with the G+C (an idea from Yuschak), I get pretty fierce insomnia for the morning sleep.

I guess my question is what sensation I should be looking for when trying to hit SSILD when using G+C? Should I be able to quickly fall asleep, just like with typical SSILD? I'm wondering if the fact that I can't SSILD as quickly as usual is an indication that I need to cut back on my free choline levels (particulary by dropping back on Alpha-GPC). Or should I just be expecting SSILD to take longer with that ACh buzz going?

I just know that when you are really in the SSILD "sweet spot", you can wake up from one LD, run a few cycles, and then hop right back into another one. That's an awesome feeling and I think that hitting a stride like that with high ACh levels would be mind-blowing. But it requires a really smooth, easy transition back into sleep. Have you encountered this particular roadblock yourself?

Thank you for this nice post. I feel appreciated and It definitely made the effort feel worthwhile! As for combining SSILD with supplements, I suggest reducing, if not completely eliminate, the time to stay awake during WBTB. Since it takes some time for G+C to cross the blood brain barrier, if you stay awake for too long, then add on top of that the time to do SSILD, you will end up running right into the stage where there are a lot of acetylcholine in your system! While doing so will increase your chance of having a WILD, your risk of getting insomnia is also much higher. With traditional method, this situation is almost inevitable. SSILD, on the other hand, is a perfect solution for this. I suspect this is how it works under the hood -- the repeated stimulation of the senses cause not only increased level of acetylcholine in the brain, but also activate them to some degree. After all, these are neurotransmitters and they won't do any good if they don't ever fire. The SSILD cycles create a need for heightened attention and awareness, which in turn causes the corresponding transmitters to be fired, with some delay. This latency is what enables us to fall asleep after the cycles, and then once the neurotransmitters accumulate and get fired, we reach heightened awareness within our dreams, thus creating DILDs and realistic FAs (being aware that we are sleeping). My personal experience confirms this quite well. My routine goes like this --

1. Wake up after 4 hours. Without taking the supplements I usually do it after 5 hours.

2. Take the pills liberally. No need to worry about insomnia because it's gonna take a while for the stuff to cross the blood brain barrier. Sometimes I mix in L-Dopa and other stuff too.

3. Go to bathroom and then immediately return to bed.

4. Do 2 or 3 really fast cycles, say, a few seconds for each sense and totally don't care about the actual sensations. This is a very good warmup which helps you relax extremely quickly. in fact I find it much more effective than those traditional meditation-derived routines.

5. Do a few slow cycles. At this point you should find it easy to focus on the more internal sensations. For example, if you try very hard to see things in the very beginning, not only you won't see anything, chances are your eye muscle will strain and eventually make it difficult to fall asleep. Now do this after step 4 you will find it much easier to spot things in the darkness behind your closed eyelids without causing any strain. Same thing goes for hearing too. Keep in mind though -- do NOT focus too much at this stage! You shouldn't get attached to the sensations. You should allow your mind to drift and do not fight the desire to fall asleep. It's actually desirable for you to fall into sleep while doing this.

If you wake up again without having any dreams, chances are you are either experiencing a super realistic FA or missed an entire dream cycle. Don't despair. Just do a couple more cycles and sleep again. Or, you could try to relax the back of your head and allow it to sink into your pillow, while focusing slightly on the hearing. With practice you can use this technique to induce instant WILD. There are more to this technique but that's an entirely different topic so I won't elaborate here.

I hope this helps! Good luck and happy dreaming!

Originally Posted by realdealmagic

I will give this a go. Seems like some people are having success with it, so I'll try it out for a week or so

How long does it take usually to get it going? Do people mostly get it first try, or does it take a few attempts?

It depends... If you do it correctly it is very possible for it to work the very fist time. I have seen numerous such success stories. However, there are many common mistakes that people tend to do, which will result in less than optimal result. Therefore I suggest you read the entire thread closely before attempting the exercise. There are LOTS of good information buried in this thread.

Hey CosmicIron,

I'm testing this technique for 30 days, and writing down results of each day.
I'm at the day 2 now. When I did the SSILD, It felt like I've been doing it for like one hour. It was because I think I felt asleep during second cycle and then woke up, and finished 3 more.
Later then I had feeling that I can't fall asleep, but it was FA I believe. And suddenly I woke up for real, still being calm and relaxed, I started hearing high pitched noise in my head. It wasn't distracting at all. It sounded like this: Zippyshare.com - hi pitch.mp3

I think I misread your post, and I started to concentrate on that noise. It faded away.
What was that?

Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF

Hey CosmicIron,

I'm testing this technique for 30 days, and writing down results of each day.
I'm at the day 2 now. When I did the SSILD, It felt like I've been doing it for like one hour. It was because I think I felt asleep during second cycle and then woke up, and finished 3 more.
Later then I had feeling that I can't fall asleep, but it was FA I believe. And suddenly I woke up for real, still being calm and relaxed, I started hearing high pitched noise in my head. It wasn't distracting at all. It sounded like this: Zippyshare.com - hi pitch.mp3

I think I misread your post, and I started to concentrate on that noise. It faded away.
What was that?

Your observation was correct. Basically you slipped into sleep while doing the cycles and then wake up in an FA while still doing the cycles. This is not uncommon and you will eventually learn to differentiate it from real insomnia. As for the high pitched noise, it is a common sensation associated with phase entrance. When you hear that it is a good indication you are already in a phase. Try to slowly raise your hand (without using the muscles) and reach for your nose to do a nose pinch RC. Chances are you will succeed and you can just roll out of the bed to enjoy an OBE. Concentrating on it will cause it to go away and eventually wake yourself out of the trance. You can also try to observing it passively and raise its levels with just the right amount of mental effort, but that can take some practice. Anyway, you were REALLY REALLY close.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Your observation was correct. Basically you slipped into sleep while doing the cycles and then wake up in an FA while still doing the cycles. This is not uncommon and you will eventually learn to differentiate it from real insomnia. As for the high pitched noise, it is a common sensation associated with phase entrance. When you hear that it is a good indication you are already in a phase. Try to slowly raise your hand (without using the muscles) and reach for your nose to do a nose pinch RC. Chances are you will succeed and you can just roll out of the bed to enjoy an OBE. Concentrating on it will cause it to go away and eventually wake yourself out of the trance. You can also try to observing it passively and raise its levels with just the right amount of mental effort, but that can take some practice. Anyway, you were REALLY REALLY close.

No word can express how thankful I am right now, so I'll just say thank you.
You know, I don't believe in some OBEs and stuff like this. Is that the same as Lucid Dream?

Originally Posted by MrOMGWTF

No word can express how thankful I am right now, so I'll just say thank you.
You know, I don't believe in some OBEs and stuff like this. Is that the same as Lucid Dream?

IMHO, OBE really should be called out-of-body-like-experience. It's not exactly the same as LD, if we view them from the perspective of an "experience". However, the claim that OBE is the result of soul leaving body, or in astral projection terms the astral body being projected into different objective realities, is FALSE, IMO. I've had many thousands of OBE/LDs, and I have been able to observe the formation process of these experiences, as well as the subtle links between mind and body. Many people and authors go extra length to describe certain glorified experiences, in elaborate details often, but I feel the truth actually lies in the less glorious ones. Ones that they either ignored, never experienced, or deliberately camouflaged. This is one topic I wish to address eventually in the future but I won't do it here. I've received my fair shares of flames on this forum so I have no intention to attract more

Just had my own lucid dream from this!

And not just a lucid dream, but also two strong false awakenings. (It even captured the details of my parent's room, which I rarely sleep in, and my younger brother sleeping next to me!)

I recorded it all here: Lucid Dream 15 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Thanks so much, CosmicIron!

Originally Posted by Venryx

Just had my own lucid dream from this!

And not just a lucid dream, but also two strong false awakenings. (It even captured the details of my parent's room, which I rarely sleep in, and my younger brother sleeping next to me!)

I recorded it all here: Lucid Dream 15 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Thanks so much, CosmicIron!

Thank YOU! I'm very happy to hear this technique worked for you. Your experience is another testimony of the technique's ability to produce frequent and extremely realistic FAs. Good luck and may you have more success! Feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding the technique. I will help as best as I can.

Fantastic!

I had my first OBE, another lucid dream, and 4 more false awakenings using this technique.

I recorded it all here: Lucid Dream 17 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I'm really starting to think this method has something significant going for it. I'm going to continue testing.

Originally Posted by Venryx

Fantastic!

I had my first OBE, another lucid dream, and 4 more false awakenings using this technique.

I recorded it all here: Lucid Dream 17 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I'm really starting to think this method has something significant going for it. I'm going to continue testing.

Very fasinating experience indeed! I enjoyed reading it. Thank you!

Thank you for this method!
Im not sure, but i think i had an obe!
I remember waking up at around 5:45 because my hamsters knocked something over and were making a lot of noise. I decided to try a method and chose this one. I remember pondering whether to go on my back or side, but i went with side and i don't even think i had time to much time to even do anything because i was so tired i just fell asleep. Now this is where it gets confusing. I remember being in my room and jumping while saying "im having an obe!" but it was in third person view, which you're not supposed to have during an obe. Then it suddenly moved to normal view and i screamed "I can fly now!" and i jumped through my wall and flew over some trees. Time passed and i was looking over and ocean at a city skyline. I decided to go back to my body, so i said "i want to go back to my body" and everything became very blurry and i believe i woke up. This seemed a little to dream like, and im not sure if had a lucid dream or an obe

Originally Posted by Gooeythrough12

Thank you for this method!
Im not sure, but i think i had an obe!
I remember waking up at around 5:45 because my hamsters knocked something over and were making a lot of noise. I decided to try a method and chose this one. I remember pondering whether to go on my back or side, but i went with side and i don't even think i had time to much time to even do anything because i was so tired i just fell asleep. Now this is where it gets confusing. I remember being in my room and jumping while saying "im having an obe!" but it was in third person view, which you're not supposed to have during an obe. Then it suddenly moved to normal view and i screamed "I can fly now!" and i jumped through my wall and flew over some trees. Time passed and i was looking over and ocean at a city skyline. I decided to go back to my body, so i said "i want to go back to my body" and everything became very blurry and i believe i woke up. This seemed a little to dream like, and im not sure if had a lucid dream or an obe

LOL. It appears that you had relatively low lucidity during it, and that was probably due to the fact you fell asleep so quickly. However this is indeed an genuine SSILD experience. As for whether this is an OBE or LD, my opinion is that they are not all that different, certainly not in the sense of LDs being dreams while OBEs being soul leaving body or astral entity entering objective realities.

I tried this last night and the results were shocking. I've always had trouble sleeping (30 minutes until sleep on the best nights) and last night after several cycles I found myself getting extremely close to sleep, and even felt the "falling" sensation once. Next thing that happened was, I was extremely close, and then all of a sudden i felt my eyelids twitching really bad, and I noticed that my eyes had been open for the last minute or so. After trying for about 8 more cycles I finally fell to sleep.

Originally Posted by iareHuuman

I tried this last night and the results were shocking. I've always had trouble sleeping (30 minutes until sleep on the best nights) and last night after several cycles I found myself getting extremely close to sleep, and even felt the "falling" sensation once. Next thing that happened was, I was extremely close, and then all of a sudden i felt my eyelids twitching really bad, and I noticed that my eyes had been open for the last minute or so. After trying for about 8 more cycles I finally fell to sleep.

Based on our experience, the eye-open sensation is frequently illusionary than real, which happens when you are on the verge of entering a dream. For example, one may think she has openned her eyes and even sees the ambient light, but in reality it is late at night and the bedroom is completely dark.