Thread: Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Still no results. Leaning towards placebo.

There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo

Originally Posted by mcwillis

There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo

To be honest, at first I thought this would be another one of those techniques with a fancy acronym that gets 3 posts and dies out, or is just a rehash of old techniques. I was happily proven wrong.

Ok so i went to bed at 10am and fell asleep doing the techinque so im not shure how many cycles i did but then i natruly woke up at 3:00am . wich is weird beacuse i usly do my wbtb at 4am but any way i coudent fall asleep so i did the technique till 4oam then went to sleep doing the technique agian then i had a DILD whent lucid then i thought i woke up but i didt so i guess that somthing i have to wach out for

Originally Posted by Randoman

Ok so i went to bed at 10am and fell asleep doing the techinque so im not shure how many cycles i did but then i natruly woke up at 3:00am . wich is weird beacuse i usly do my wbtb at 4am but any way i coudent fall asleep so i did the technique till 4oam then went to sleep doing the technique agian then i had a DILD whent lucid then i thought i woke up but i didt so i guess that somthing i have to wach out for

Yes, this technique seems to give a lot of FA's and strange awakenings and feelings of that you can't fall asleep when you've actually fallen asleep and woken up again. But I like it. I see it as oppurtunities for DEILDs.

Been trying this since it came out... no results.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Been trying this since it came out... no results.

I haven't had the chance to do WBTB and test this properly. I wonder why it isn't working for everyone? Shame CosmicIron isn't here anymore to shed some light on the matter.

I think the reason this works has to do with how we tend to wake up with the same thoughts we were having when we fell asleep. Fall asleep doing the cycles, wake up doing the cycles. After you wake up the cycles become an awareness anchor that keeps you conscious just long enough to result in a DEILD.

The increase in false awakenings might occur because you're expecting to wake up a few times during the night. You dream about what you think about.

I've been really slack, haven't tried this technique for a week since school went back. I'll try again though...

Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked.

Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own?

It works fine if you just wake up on your own. That's the only way I do it now, did it last night with some interesting results. I had one false awakening in which I was paralyzed and was immediately lucid in a random dream. I won't go into detail about the random dream but it was scary... Very scary.

Originally Posted by DinoSawr

But if it's a placebo that works for so many people, is this a bad thing?

No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?

Originally Posted by McDreamy

@Dakotahnok
I was just reading back a little, and didn't you recently just post about how this worked for you by getting you out of a dryspell, and how you were pretty sure it wasn't a placebo? How long have you been practicing this technique?

Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

There are a lot of threads for techniques to induce lucidity on the forum but they don't have the high level of success that this technique has so I think we can safely rule out that this is a placebo

A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo stronger. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out.

Welp, I just tried it and had my first lucid. Holy hell I can't recommend this tactic enough. Its still almost 5AM so I'm going to see if I can have another one.

Originally Posted by Sea07

It works fine if you just wake up on your own. That's the only way I do it now, did it last night with some interesting results. I had one false awakening in which I was paralyzed and was immediately lucid in a random dream. I won't go into detail about the random dream but it was scary... Very scary.

My first lucid from this technique was also part nightmare, strange.

Although I'm not participating in the forums anymore, I'm still getting email notifications for replies to this thread. Seeing people's questions go unanswered like this somehow made me feel guilty . Therefore I've decided to come back to provide technical support until the warranty expires... LOL

Originally Posted by JeanLucGodard

Just a quick question, there's ten pages and I'm a little too lazy to scroll through all of them to see if this has been asked.

Must it be with an alarm clock or would this work if you woke up at the right time on your own?

You don't have to use alarm clock. In fact I never do since I always wake up multiple times during my sleep. For best result though you may want to get out of your bed and stay awake for a few minutes.

Yet another lucid. I'm going to get a t-shirt that says "I <3 SSILD" on it. Lol.

Originally Posted by Sydney

I know that happened to me too.. except I fell asleep on the first rep in the second cycle lol.
Hate it when that happens. Didn't get lucid though.

I suggest you stay awake a bit longer before doing the exercise. You will also want to be a bit more "diligent" while cycling through the senses. For example, try a little harder to pick up things in the dark...

Originally Posted by DannyY

My first lucid from this technique was also part nightmare, strange.

That IS strange....

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

No not at all! As long as people are getting lucid, I am happy. just wondering, when did I ever say it was bad?



Yes, that is correct. But after reading through the thread again I decided to change that thought. When I first posted I said this works and it probably isn't a placebo. Now I'm saying I think it's a placebo, but I'm not sure yet. I have been practicing it since it came out but stopped a couple of days ago. My MILD works much better.



A placebo can have a good amount of success. That's the thing with lucid dreaming, it's almost all intent which is why placebo's work so well. And the fact that the thread is getting positive feed back is just making the placebo stronger. I'm not saying it IS a placebo, I'm just saying we shouldn't be so quick to rule that out.

While I can't explain exactly why it works, I am confident it is not placebo. On the China based forum, I've collected thousands of success stories, all happened within 8 months, and quite a few people managed to learn to induce LDs at will using SSILD with near 100% success rate. It does take time and practice to master though... so it is still not as easy and idiot-proof as I want it to be... hopefully we can further improve it.

Originally Posted by CosmicIron

Although I'm not participating in the forums anymore, I'm still getting email notifications for replies to this thread. Seeing people's questions go unanswered like this somehow made me feel guilty . Therefore I've decided to come back to provide technical support until the warranty expires... LOL

We are glad to have you back.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

Been trying this since it came out... no results.

While you were doing this, were you experiencing the "trance"? The trance is the state when your mind begins to wander... you occasionally forget to continue the exercise, and when your thoughts come back you no longer remember how many cycles you have done or at what step you become lost. If you are not experiencing this then you are not doing the exercise correctly. Another possibility is lack of mental effort... I need to know more details about how you did your exercise in order to help you analyze.

Originally Posted by dakotahnok

Still no results. Leaning towards placebo.

Please give me more details on how you did it so I can help. Generally though, there are three major categories for failure:

1. Can't fall asleep after the exercise. This is due to too much mental effort and eagerness to get result during the exercise (essentially treating it as a WILD method)
2. Fall asleep too quickly. This is the opposite of the above problem. In this case you need to focus more during the cycles and spending extra time to stay awake before going back to bed may also help.
3. Not entering the "trance". The trance is the state when your mind wanders and you forget to do the exercise occasionally.

Originally Posted by mutualdreamer

I did everything perfect and was undisturbed but I still didn't get lucid Dx. I told myself to wake up after 5 hours, woke up at some time, used bathroom, got water, did 5 cycles, fell asleep in good time, had normal dream .
Tonight I will try not getting up at all and see if it goes better then.

Did you have trouble falling asleep afterward?

Wasn't really able to attempt SSILD because I was away But the other night (when I woke up in the morning) I just decided to do SSILD because I missed my chance in the middle of the night. So I did and after about 3 cycles I felt strangely relaxed.

Like really, really relaxed.
My dad woke me up though.

@CosmicIron: Yay!

Oh and do we need to stay still the whole time we're doing the cycles? I hate it because ever since I've stopped attempting WILDs I keep moving about every 20 seconds, repositioning my arm, leg, etc.