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Well, I wake up, I analyze any sensations on my body, look at any lights I see with my eyes closed, and listen to any buzzing in my ears. The thing is, though, that I can't seem to stay still or keep my eyes closed when I wake up, so is this impeding me?
You are not supposed to stay still upon waking up as this is not a DEILD technique, although if you can do it it's certainly helpful. Also, if you meant staying still or trying to keep your eyes close DURING the exercise, then you are definitely not doing it correctly. The key is to be comfortable and relaxed. It is perfectly okay to move while doing SSILD, just make up by doing one more cycles. Another suggestion is to do the cycles in shorter intervals in the begining as it will help you relax more quickly. As you go deeper into the trance, you will more likely to notice various sensations without too much difficulty. Whereas if you focus too much in the begining you may end up adding stress and even risk losing sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychoTR2
This has been giving me some success. I found that cycling faster at the beginning helps me a lot. I eventually slow down but I started keeping my awareness on the visual part constant while I cycled hearing and touch. Sometimes I had all 3 in awareness. I kept it going way longer than I intended and actually triggered an unintentional WILD. I think I will keep this one in my routine.
EDIT: BTW I think I should mention I DID do this at the start of bed time and I DID WILD at the start of bedtime. However, It wasn't the best of LDs so I would recommend WBTB first. But don't ever say something WILL NOT work. We are all different. :D
You are right. We are all very different. On our forum there is this guy who could always succeed, easily, with SSILD, upon first landing on the bed. To date he already registered more than a hundred LDs/OBEs, and that's within less than a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanous
EDIT: I should also mention that he does this with his wife sleeping in his arms... :P
This sounds great I am going to try this tonight... Sounds a little like dream yoga, but easier.
I will report back too :-)
Wife sleeping in arms is what has been letting me WILD/DEILD and still keep consciousness. I recommend it. :Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
Funny. I always want to not touch when I try to induce. May be worth a try. :)
That is what I thought at first as well, but then I woke up with my wife cuddling next to me and had a couple DEILDs, and decided to try it for a straight WILD and got it as well. DEILDs ever since though. :)
Okay can't believe it guys it worked! I had a lucid dream... first on in months!! I am surprised it worked because my husband was snoring in my ear and then my son woke up with a nightmare while I was doing it... then I couldn't fall asleep forever. Well I remembered what was said about it causing false awakenings so I did the noseplug method whenever I "woke"
Two times I did realize I was dreaming when I was in my bed and could still breath with my nose plugged. I tried to get up and I woke.. I still could not sleep, then I ended up doing another noseplug and realized I was dreaming again this time I was able to get up from my bed.
I had a ten minute lucid dream... I floated in the air, walked around my neighborhood naked, went inside a giant hollow tree and made some things levitate.
After that I decided to wake myself up because I don't have great dream recall yet and I wanted to write it all down.
I am exhausted today and feel like I didn't get any sleep but I'm really excited I finally found an easy method that works for me. Thanks!! :banana:
Who is this guy you speak of? Is he a Dream Views member or another forum? I would really like to ask him some questions. BTW I didn't mean to come across as hostile in my previous post. I'm always worried about that after the fact :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CosmicIron
He is not on this forum but I'm very familiar with his routine since he keeps his progress in very detailed logs on our forum and we stay in close touch. So basically you can just ask me and I can always forward your question to him in case I don't already know the answer. I didn't find any of your previous posts hostile so no worries. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xanous
Evening, i have question to the OP, coz im not sure i understand the exercise totally correctly.
So when i start the practise, first i try to see things flashes(i can most of the time),after this try to hear ringing,buzzing in my ears?And the third one?I need to feel my palm/finger(and the other bodyparts) touches the bed as im lying on the bed?
How long need to do 1 of the 3?And after the first(15-20secs?) go to the second and 3rd?
Ok, i found the answeres for my questions after reading couple of pages at ld4all.Someone asked the same things as i wanted to, and there he got answeres.
By the way i tried this 3 times, once for 'go to bed' time, once after wake up naturally in the mid of the night, and once after half an hour i got up in the mourning.Couple notes and more questions.
No lucidities yet, but when i woke up first time at night, i felt something wierd.No lucids but it seemed to me, i was more awake in my dream at night than in the regulars.Hard to say sorry:)
When i've tried couple hours ago, i was wide awake, but i go to bed again.I found with this tech is extremely easy to relax, and go deeper and deeper very soon.
But im not sure i do the 'body scan' part correctly.I try to notice if my bodyparts have a wierd feeling. and then i imagine to move my legs arms head, another position.Is that right?
I have not problem with the other two ,(try) to seeing flashes, and hear voices.If i can see(not vivid pictures, just yellow flashes) may i go through to the next step after half a minute?
And about the hearing thing.If im at dead quiet places, i always hear in my ears ringing.Is this ok?I concentrate to hear it more and more, and it takes no effort to me at all:)
Interesting thing, i have had no chance to turn into lucid after i go back to bed after 6 hours of sleep.I did the cycles, and fell asleep, and my timing was right, coz i slep 1 hour and started with a dream, but no lucid.
Hope u all understand what i wanted to say.
Oh and forgot to mention, i tried in the past couple days to wake up without open my eyes, and not moving at all, without success.But this night and mourning i could do that.So it is usuful for those who wanted to practise the waking up without any move for deild too.
I wake up 3 times and did that all 3 times.I dont know is it because of this tech, but it seems it helps for this too.At least suspicious.
The most important part to remember with this tech is this -- do NOT expect it to work WHILE you are doing it. If during the exercise you get strange sensations that's great, and if you go straight into LDs from it well that's even better! However, you should always consider that as moments of luck, and learn not to pursue them.Quote:
Originally Posted by itsok
Having said all that, there will be times which you encounter intense imagery, sounds, body sensations, and kinesthetic illusions. When those do happen, you should stop cycling and focus on observing the sensation without getting excited. You can also try pushing them a little bit mentally to make them more intense, but do not do it too eagerly.
It is fine to hear ringing noises when quiet. Actually you WANT to hear that! As for feeling the body, there is no set rules. You can focus on just some parts like your hands, feet, etc., or you can scan your body head to toe. Again, if you don't feel anything unusual that's perfectly okay!
Another advise I like to give -- do the first few cycles more quickly then slow down gradually. When you just begin cycling, your mind and boy are not yet ready; therefore no matter how much attention you focus you still won't feel anything and if you keep on forcing it you create tension which is no good. After a few quick cycles though, you begin to get closer to the trance. At this point you will find it has become much easier for you to observe the various sensations without much effort!
As for this method helping you stay still upon waking up, I'd say your observation is correct. SSILD is good at producing realistic FAs so basically these moments which you think you have awakened are indeed FAs! Because they are FAs they are much easier to deal with -- even if you forgot to stay still for some brief moments you still will be fine!
ty, maybe i missed a nose plug RC while those awakenings, if it was FAs:)
Good to mention to do the first couple cycles shorter, i didnt pay attention for it.But i can hear the slight ringing noise in my ears, right after i close my eyes.
I tried to dont pay attention for it, when i do the body scan, or the (try) seeing flashes.I focuse on the ringing only when i am at that step.
Is it best to wake up during REM to do this technique?
Think so.
But i tried this tech the last 3 days when i went to bed first time too.And then again when i woke up in the night, and/or in the mourning.
I did this this mourning after 5 hours of sleep, when i woke up, get out of bed, breakfast,cigarettes, and went back to bed, then starting the exercise of the ssild.I did the cycles about 4-5 times, and fell asleep.I think i woke up, with massive body sensation i was vibrating strongly or something.It was strong enaugh.But i did the nose rc and failed:(
Then i fell asleep again, and get 1 hour of sleep with non lucid dream.
During the vibration stage, the ability to move your dream body instead of the physical body in fact is, a skill, which can be trained and improved. When in deep trance and SP, whenever you move it's likely you are moving your dream body. However, there will be times when you are sort of in the middle, between things. In this case, if your focus/awareness is on the physicals then you move your real body; on the other hand, if you focus on the dream side then you can move your dream body. I can this Focus Point of Awareness. As you become better at shifting this focus point, it is not impossible to shift it while being wide awake, without going into sleeps first at all. There is a post about this, let me see if I can find it for you... Ok here it is:Quote:
Originally Posted by itsok
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/theory...4/#post1930739
Next time you are in the trance, don't abruptly move to do RCs. Instead, try to feel the subtle dream hand -- it is very light and can be moved without physical effort, and slowly raise it to reach for your nose. This will increase the chance to succeed with the RC as well as helping you shift the focus to the dream.
Thank u very much i will read the posted link this late evening, couz i dont have much time, and will take my questions if i'll have one.
But this post was useful, coz i didnt know what i was doing wrong, coz the sensation was suberb intensive, it felt like i will maybe vibrating off the bed to floor.Was wierd.
But i thought it was FA, that's why i tried immidiatly the nose plug RC.So it wasnt FA?Im asking this because, i felt i fell asleep and went some elapsed time, and just happened after that.So it wasnt during the ssild exercise.
Quick note: As i said it was the 5th or 6th time to try this tech, and i think i was so close to reach something result, because i did the cycles at least 5 times.(The previous attempts only took 2-3)And the timing was good too, coz i had regular dreams in this one hour, just after i fell asleep after the trance.
It was close and gives me more hope.And again, why i did the rc right after i noticed this state, coz i though it was fa.If u have false awakening u dont need to care about to trying move only ur dream arms, right??Coz u only can move that if u try anyway.
Thanks
EDIT
I've read the posted theory about SSILD, it was very interesting!I am hoping so much i can get that state where i was in the mourning's attempt.Yeah maybe i didnt do enaugh cycles at the attempts before.I did today 5-6 and it looked good.Especially after read that linked post, i will know what i need to try at the massive vibrationin state.Just reach that often,able me to keep trying:)
Hi all
This tech is really do something, i've had a False awakening this mourning.I did not RCed haha..I know for sure that was FA coz, when i woke up IRL, i remembered i met somewho in my room after get up.
Honestly i was surprised the tech almost drive me into success, coz i've problems the last two days in my case while doing the exercise.I feel my legs very nervous, and this is not a sign to roll over, coz i feel it right after a lay down.I'm sure you all know what i mean with this feeling.It's like u wanna shake ur legs, or kick in the air couple times, becouse ur legs are nervous.
This is terrible for the SSILD cycles, becouse 1,U wanna finish the cycles soon, and roll over to your side to fall asleep 2, your mind wont wondering couz the feelings in your leg disturb you.
But surprisingly a had a FA anyway.I did couple times the cycles, and it looked not too good while doing that, coz my mind didnt wondered, and didnt poped up random thoughts,And I had not to go back to to cycles in mind, coz didnt wondered even once.
I dont know why appered this problem with my legs, i had no problem the first couple days when i tried this tech about a week ago.Hope it will desappear, coz doing the cycles is uncomfortable in the last two days.
I dont know why the hell occoured this problem with my legs..Its really strange.It ruins my attempts for making it perfectly.I found this tech very useful, not just for about lucid dreaming, but it is amazing relaxation technique.Or it was?Coz it doesnt work even for relaxation couple days ago, coz my damn legs.I feel nervous in them, and have to move.Uncomfortable the whole exercise,and cant relax so well, like in the first couple days when i found this tech.Hope it will desappear soon, maybe i should search the web for fixing this problem.
That does happen to me sometimes too. It's not the technique but a condition as it happens with every technique I've used. I find it is normally caused by me being physically exhausted but mentally still excited. I suggest when this happens, don't force it. It's a sign that you are not getting enough rest. We always have another chance to LD :)Quote:
Originally Posted by itsok
Sorry but u meant when i feel it in my legs(its not very strong,but annoying), dont force the ssild cycles, and wait for another mourning with the next attempt, if i wont feel that time?
By the way, it is familiar when u go to bed ,but im feeling it currently now too:roll:
(Sitting on a chair) :)
Another FA this mourning after wbtb/ssild
Already had 2 FAs, and 1 extremely strong body vibration state, becouse of this tech in about 1 week.Need to use to the reality checks after waking up IRL.Im already working on it, this is great if the FAs happening this often, it should be a dream sign to do RCs.
Oh and forgot.Interesting thing i go back to sleep not the same room, when i was sleeping at night, and the false awakening happened in this unusual another room,where i was actually laying.
There's been a few conflicting comments in this thread, so if you could clarify that would be great.
You said the idea was like self-hypnosis, it's not a way to get into sleep paralysis, but to "massage" your brain so it'll be easier to become lucid in a dream. (the massage part is from another thread for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about)
However, in response to MadMonkey's comment you wrote:
Shouldn't he be ignoring it and just going to sleep afterwards?Quote:
When the HIs and vibrations get intense you should immediately do a nose RC and get up. Do not wait for it to die down because you will likely just wake up as you introduce more rational thoughts into the process. Getting real close!