Congrats on your first LD again! :)
I have still yet to get a LD from DEILD, because I am focusing too much on my body after I move :(
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Congrats on your first LD again! :)
I have still yet to get a LD from DEILD, because I am focusing too much on my body after I move :(
Hey, I read your journal entry, Really cool man, You have good reason to be happy :)
If it was all that easy everybody would do it :) :) :)
Y'know ?
Or maybe you dont :P I'm noticing that a really vivid dream with a story and good content is almost hard not to recall.
Right now I have been putting a lot of effort into recall to no end use. I still recall the best and most vivid ones months later and have to fight for the crappy ones with no plot to speak of, The better the dream the better the recall at least for me, Everybody is different of course but for abit I think I'll focus on content and let recall take care of itself and see how that works.........
Bill - It's great that you have decent recall. I'm still jealous of your three page dream, haha!
I heartily agree with your concept, I think the same theory is applicable to life. I mean, you remember your predominant memories because they're exciting and interesting. However, do you really recall that time you sat in maths class and completed a test, or that time you had dinner by yourself? That happens far less frequently, because it's not as relevant. I mean, I'm sure we see value in the things that excite us, because they're the contents of our perpetual being. Vivid dreams, are something we crave and invest time in, we put just as much output into recalling them I suppose. Good luck anyway Bill, tell me how everything goes :)
Marine - Could you elaborate on your problem? Are you experiencing difficulties falling asleep, once you move from your position?
If you could supply me with the details, I'll be more than happy to help.
Just a question ;) . When you had the DEILD, what did the transition into your dream feel like?
Nothing, to be honest. Haha :P
I woke up, and I thought of DEILD-ing, straight away.
So I rolled onto my back, and closed my eyes. For a fraction of a second I considered creating my own scene, but I decided to go with my previous dream.
I imagined the scene, but I was really like.. rough? If that makes sense.
Like, I was yelling in my head. "I know this may feel like real life, but it's not. It's a dream. Thing about everything, how does it look, how does it feel?"
Then I transitioned, and I was aware. Nothing scary or unusual :)
Thanks! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by yuppie11975
So, my basic problem is that I move when I wake up after every dream. During the night I averagely wake up after 4-5 dreams, but I seem to move before I even know that I'm awake :( I realize that moving does not greatly lower the chances of a successful DEILD, but I need to train my half-awake mind that! When I move I automatically think all is lost so I go back to sleep. Reading your last post it seemed like you entered a dream using DEILD after rolling to your back, so that gives me confidence! Is it easier to transition to a dream on your back?
Thanks for your help yuppie :)
Recon, Recon, Recon. What are we going to do with you? Hahahaha.
Kidding! You're in a non existent predicament. Everything that you're clashing with, is easily fixed.
Let's break this down for you.
4 - 5 awakenings is spot on, that's exactly average, nothing to worry about there.
"I realise moving does not greatly lower chances" "but I need to train my half-awake mind that!"
That's where you're wrong. Moving is a physical element, the only thing you need to be able to do, is fall asleep.
When I moved, I did it for the same reason you don't want to move. To get comfortable, to relax, to put my mind at ease.
Your biggest problem, is your lack of confidence. You need to believe in yourself, in order to succeed.
You know what's humorous? You said it yourself, "I gave up, and I went to sleep."
You know what DEILD-ing is? Fucking going to sleep, aware! You're 99% of the way there man.
Why not be prevalent, and persevere? If you try and you fail, you're still gaining experience, and learning.
Always give it a shot, it's better than not trying. Trust yourself, trust your brain.
However, if your mental blockage is stubborn, and you're determined to stay still.
Why not try a mantra, they work WONDERS. Trust me.
I presume you know how mantra's work, but if not, here's a quick run down.
Recite it numerous times prior to falling asleep. Think of what the words mean, think of what they'll accomplish.
Say it for about five minutes, then go straight to sleep. Recite this: "I awake perfectly still."
Finally, no. It's not easier to transition on your back. I mean, what works for me, may not work for you.
I prefer sleeping on my back, when I intend on DEILD-ing. I like sleeping on my side, when I intend on DILD-ing or MILD-ing.
It's just the way I'm wired. Look, hypothetically, if you slept best whilst you were hung upside down, with a Chinese midget kicking you in your testicles at regular intervals, then that's what you'd ideally do. Do what makes YOU comfortable.
Best of luck man, tell me how it goes.
Absolutely no worries if you have any more questions.
Thank you so much yuppie!
That was a really good "wake up" call! ;) I really appreciate you putting a lot of your own time into coaching me. I have to admit when I was reading this I was laughing because it made perfect sense! I can't believe I didn't notice any of this earlier :D So in total, I can move (turn my body) to get comfortable as long as I don't wake up my mind too much as to not get out of REM. This is great news! I wonder how many DEILDs I would've gotten if I didn't "give up and fall asleep".
Thank you so much yuppie for all of your help, it is VERY much appreciated! :D
It's fine, Recon! Haha :)
I was in exactly the same position as you, about a year ago.
Now I'm a competent and capable lucid dreamer, just like you'll be.
You're well on your way, I think you're super close.
I thought it was humorous as well by the way, so blatantly obvious ;)
But yeah, it seems like you've sorted out what you have to do now. Please tell me how you go!
Ok I will be sure to try it out tonight! I really think that I'm getting close! :)
Yuppie, This is messed up. I got up and sleep staggered to the bathroom then flopped back down in the bed on my back thinking about the previous dream and I was back in it. I read somewhere about just doing nothing to collect my wits first so I sat on the river bank in the grass looking at the water and it seemed to be working but
then my hungry, wailing #$%#* cat demon woke me up.
Ok so I had a FA and I turned it into a LD! The dream was very unstable and no matter what stabilization technique I used nothing was working and I finally woke up after about 3 minutes dream time. When I woke up I stayed perfectly still and tried to DEILD, but no dream came to me. I was using all of my senses but I think I couldn't go back into REM because that was 8 hours after falling asleep. Sleeping 8 hours for me is a large amount of time so I think my body was telling me to get up, because it was not going into REM sleep. I was still laying there for 15 minutes tying to transition, but like I said before, nothing happend.
It is still one lucid in my arsenal though! It was cool, I did a nose-pinch RC that worked but I couldn't see anything because I wear a sleep mask, so I opened my eyes and saw what looked to be my room. I heard on the forums that if you do an RC and it works that you are dreaming and it's okay to open your eyes, but I have never tried it before. It was actually pretty cool!
Unlucky Bill! Haha :P
Nice work Recon, did you get up to anything interesting in your lucid?
I'm really rooting for you to grab that DEILD, I know you can get there! :)
Well, that's the thing! I had te FA after 8 hours of sleep(which is a lot for me), so the dream was pretty blurry. No matter what I did though it stayed like that so I decided to just ride it out. The dream lasted 5 minutes though. When I woke up I remained perfectly sill for 20 minutes to DEILD but it didn't work, because once again I think my body wanted to get out of REM :(
When you have dodgy lucid dreams, it's important to remember that you're the boss.
Do you know about dream stabilization? There are some great articles, so I'll leave that to you to research.
You can always turn your lucid into a great one, never admit defeat.
I'm sorry to hear about your FA DEILD attempt, there are many more chances to go though!
Don't be sorry! I got lucid which gave me practice ;)
I know all about stabilization. I literally tried every technique in that dream but nothing worked. I think that it was because the inevitable was that the REM cycle was ending, so there was nothing I could've done. Hopefully tonight goes better! :D
Sometimes you just get those dreams that are bound to fail :P
Tell me how it goes man! :D
I have been waiting for something good to say but several times lately I have FA dreamed I was awake and recalling my dreams and recording them and going back to sleep.. Then waking up to an empty recording and by then recall is just a wisp :( :(
This is how it's been going....
6:00am I got up and went to the bathroom and came back to bed then got back up and went back out to feed the cat but then while laying in bed I watched myself come back in the door and put it on my recorder and thinking that was done I went back to sleep, How I ever recalled it is a mystery :P
Bill, a great way to combat FA's is to ensure you perform a reality check every time you wake up.
Make sure you're sincerely sceptical as to whether you're dreaming, and you should catch yourself out, ,whenever you have an FA.
Still here ;)
Nothing over the weekend really. I was pretty tired though and slept well. I think I've told you that I'm also working on WILD as well as DEILD. Yesterday, I woke up at 5:59 am, and got up to go to the bathroom and everything. I had to get up at about 7-7:30, so I decided to lie down and try to WILD. I also listened to some binaural beats as well with it. It went pretty well, and I actually started to see/feel the dream scene unfold before me, but then I got pretty excited and woke up somewhat...Then, my dad came in with my step mom, and woke me up by tickling me and pulling the blankets off my bed.
Thanks dad ;)
Hahaha!
Gotta love your parents :P
I've had numerous foiled attempts due to my father.
They're always stomping around the halls or blending food -.-
I'll have to take it out on them in my next lucid ;)
Excitement I think is the curse of the lucid dreamer, I just battled excitement in an afternoon nap for several minutes with everything in the toolbox and even with nearly a year experience this particular dream got me in the end. I was certain I was dreaming anyways but there's always outside traffic noise here so I used that for a check,
No noise, I'm dreaming :P