Yuppie's DEILD guide - The easiest way to lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by Triforce

But now WILD is just short for "wasting time when you could be DEILDing".

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Haha :D

Quite interestingly, I had forgotten the whole lucid dreaming thing, this DEILD happened sort of accidentally when I woke up, saw into my dream and staid still by accident.

The event made me realize how little effort the whole DEILD procedure takes. I'm definitely going to focus more on this!

One question though.. how would you guys compare the difference in logical thinking in WILD and DEILD?

PS. I have a "REM dreamer". I could combine it with DEILD, as it tends to occasionally wake me up in the beginning of a REM cycle.

Well, ADEzor, I'm going to play it straight with you, WILD is probably easier to think in, but I mean, being able to logically think, isn't what you want to be doing anyway. I think a lot of us would agree that being able to think rationally and logically, is a sign of alertness, and we really want to be in a sleep state when trying to DEILD, all you have to do is think back to your last dream, not mentally revise for your maths test :P

I had this happen last month almost every night but I assumed it was day dreaming until I woke up from one, I Never tried, It just happened when I awaken I keep my eye closed and lie still for recall, I do have to admit that when it happens I have a choice of going ahead or doing recall but not both, I Likened it to a crossroads, If I go ahead with the waking dream I can not recall the one before..

Nice work on this guide all the way around! I'm going to be adopting DEILD as my secondary technique and you've left me feeling much less intimidated by the idea than I had expected. :) Thanks for posting it.

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Originally Posted by yuppie11975

Yeah, DEILD can kill your recall a bit, not going to lie. I actually spent a week JUST on recall, and then focused on DEILD. Because while using/attempting the techniuqe, you don't get the chance to write your dreams down.

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Yes, this is the one interesting issue with the technique that I'm still not quite sure how I'll address. I'm thinking of those wake-ups where I have just barely enough presence of mind to roll on my side and chicken-scratch a couple of keywords in the margin for later dream recall in the morning. Those are probably my DEILD opportunities and I do worry about throwing those NLDs up on the "sacrificial altar" so to speak.

So yeah, I'm nervous about taking the dream recall hit but like they say, when one's making omelettes, not every egg is gonna is make it. :)

When you're practicing DEILD, do you still manage to recall those earlier dreams sometimes or are they almost always wiped out?

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Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Nice work on this guide all the way around! I'm going to be adopting DEILD as my secondary technique and you've left me feeling much less intimidated by the idea than I had expected. :) Thanks for posting it.



Yes, this is the one interesting issue with the technique that I'm still not quite sure how I'll address. I'm thinking of those wake-ups where I have just barely enough presence of mind to roll on my side and chicken-scratch a couple of keywords in the margin for later dream recall in the morning. Those are probably my DEILD opportunities and I do worry about throwing those NLDs up on the "sacrificial altar" so to speak.

So yeah, I'm nervous about taking the dream recall hit but like they say, when one's making omelettes, not every egg is gonna is make it. :)

When you're practicing DEILD, do you still manage to recall those earlier dreams sometimes or are they almost always wiped out?

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For me personally, whenever I've DEILDed it's been after I've recalled a really good dream. I believe you need that intense dream experience so that you can really focus on all the details and fade back through into a dream. You just have to take the chance that you may forget this dream when you next wake up and let it go. It's a pretty big downside, but with a huge pay off if you successfully enter a lucid dream.

Dream recall of earlier dreams sometimes persists after DEILD attempt, moreso if you become lucid from your attempt and even greater chances if your DEILD associates with the previous dream.

Cheers Canis. Generally, I find that your recollection of dreams has multiple variables when attempting to DEILD, such as; Prior experience, previous journalling, emotional state, amount of sleep. As a rule of thumb, however, dream recall can still be maintained to a decent level, especially when you ensure your dream recalling ability is at a good level, prior to attempting to DEILD. Please do give it a go, and tell me how it works out!

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Originally Posted by yuppie11975

Cheers Canis. Generally, I find that your recollection of dreams has multiple variables when attempting to DEILD, such as; Prior experience, previous journalling, emotional state, amount of sleep. As a rule of thumb, however, dream recall can still be maintained to a decent level, especially when you ensure your dream recalling ability is at a good level, prior to attempting to DEILD. Please do give it a go, and tell me how it works out!

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Ditto.
When I try Deild as a way out of a dry spell I end up with a blank sheet of paper.

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Originally Posted by yuppie11975

Cheers Canis. Generally, I find that your recollection of dreams has multiple variables when attempting to DEILD, such as; Prior experience, previous journalling, emotional state, amount of sleep. As a rule of thumb, however, dream recall can still be maintained to a decent level, especially when you ensure your dream recalling ability is at a good level, prior to attempting to DEILD. Please do give it a go, and tell me how it works out!

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Complete success! Starting out, attempt #1 (chaining from a non-lucid dream) failed. I woke up from the NLD with my eyes still closed. Good so far. However, recall took a moment and while I was rebuilding my memories of the dream scene, real-world concerns (in particular, the need to use the bathroom) took over and blew up the attempt.

Attempt #2 was chaining from a lucid dream immediately into another lucid dream. This worked extremely well. I just kept my eyes shut, used a little imagination, and popped back in a few seconds later. Aw yeah! :)

This came with one downside, though -- I no longer remember the moment that I became lucid in the first LD! Recall in the first LD did take a hit but it was far from a total loss. I still came away remembering the vast majority of it. (I recorded the experience as my most recent DJ entry.) In the end, I still recalled four dreams from last night (if you count the two lucid chains as a single dream.)

By the way -- two lucid dreams chained together counts as just one lucid dream, right? :)

Sweet job man, it's hell easy, correct?!
It comes down to you, I actually think the general consensus is that each chained lucid, counts as their own individual dream. So, say you chain a lucid, then another one, from your first lucid, then it would be counted as three. I don't think there's a problem with that, it's quite an achievement chaining lucids! It's up to you, however :)

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Originally Posted by RareCola

For me personally, whenever I've DEILDed it's been after I've recalled a really good dream. I believe you need that intense dream experience so that you can really focus on all the details and fade back through into a dream. You just have to take the chance that you may forget this dream when you next wake up and let it go. It's a pretty big downside, but with a huge pay off if you successfully enter a lucid dream.

Dream recall of earlier dreams sometimes persists after DEILD attempt, moreso if you become lucid from your attempt and even greater chances if your DEILD associates with the previous dream.

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this is exactly my problem with DEILD. I have to have a really good vivid dream or i just wake up with nothing

- Or you could craft a mental dream, and go from there!

the only problem i have with this is that, when i am succeeding in this technique, i have remained still and i can feel the dream taking over me, i kind of get exited and panic a little bit and my heart rate incrases and this makes the technique stop working any tips please? :)

JoshGoldie I think you have the same "problem" as me, DEILD has one problem.... You need to wake up within the REM or very close to REM to be able to re-enter the dream.
Last night I woke up after EVERY REM Period and couldn't re-enter a single time. I am not sure how to solve this problem I guess it depends a bit on luck.
I did end up re-entering NON-rem dreams after some of these attempts, but they aren't as fun and exciting as a REM-Dream...

If you are in REM you only need to lay still and have closed eyes, the rest takes care of itself in a matter of seconds.

Mate, that was a bit incoherent. "You need to wake up within the REM to be able to re-enter" then later you state "I did end up re-entering NON-rem dreams." Make up your mind dude.
Anyway, good old JoshGoldie; I think your problem is more of an experience issue. I know you're not going to like the standard "It'll come with time" answer, but it's honestly the main solution. It's like how your first few lucid dreams go down, you're overwhelmed with excitement, and you normally end up losing them after a few seconds, then, as you grow with experience, you're able to take control, and prolong them. In the meantime, just reassure yourself that you're capable of remaining calm. I also suggest mantras, they're pretty effective. Just go with something that will enable you to stay calm, such as; "I will remain calm, when I awake." etc.
Best of luck bro, tell me how it goes!

Do you guys see that?! I think it's a - no, it can't be! Wait, it is! It's a wild bump!

Come on guys, give me some activity :(

Heres some activity then.
Sex never comes to a good end in those for me :P

Hmmm I havent tried DEILDing recently... But one thing bugs me though. Lets say i wake up at night... manage to stay still and keep eyes closed... can i get aware enough to produce a lucid dream?

On first thouguht it seems like there's hardly not any time to wake the mind up

ADEzor - The amount of awareness required to successfully DEILD is minimal. All you really need to accomplish is staying focused on your conciousness; which isn't very difficult. You could also try mantra's to increase your chances of staying aware, but trust me, it's not hard :)

Try the Tae-Re-Re mantra

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Originally Posted by woblybil

Try the Tae-Re-Re mantra

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Elaborate, please?

This was posted by someone in DV before and thats where I found it.
Mantras and Recitations for Astral Travel and Out-of-Body Experiences | Belsebuub

While you're there pick up on the RAOM-GAOM mantra for dream recall.
Mantra's are funny too. They seem to work best for me when I have no clue.
I dont use them exactly as I heard them and the reason is that its the belief that it will work that makes it work so sometimes when they do not work and sometimes they dont, A weak spot in that belief is the cause.

I think its better to use mantras that carry meaning for you personally (probably you would be using words of your own language). Theres nothing "special" the words/syllables in that link. You might as well utter any combination of sounds, attach a meaning to it (like this word will give me an OOBE) and it would work just as well as "Tae-Re-Re"

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Originally Posted by VictoReverie

I think its better to use mantras that carry meaning for you personally (probably you would be using words of your own language). Theres nothing "special" the words/syllables in that link. You might as well utter any combination of sounds, attach a meaning to it (like this word will give me an OOBE) and it would work just as well as "Tae-Re-Re"

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All of what you say is true if you believe it will work..
This is for the inexperienced although I still use quite often, Like when im almost awake and theres no time to make up my own or when I try to recall with absolutely no clue to what I was dreaming about its already available instead of making something up.
I should add that I dont actually say the mantra or dresser for the most part. I may say it once to start it rolling around in my head and then keep it going in there or some I cant say like Tae Rae I use the memory of how it sounded on the website. And they like everything else it seems do not work every time :P

There are no instructions for mantras there, There are some here.

Mantra Raom-Gaom | Samael Gnosis

Like Egypto. Following instructions one would wait for the anahata sound or chakra which sounds like the ocean to some and then start the mantra and look for a doorway like a red triangle and pass thru it and circle to the right and find a path leading to the temple or where ever else you are going. Following that for me has summoned up Demons so I dont do it anymore :P