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Originally Posted by Tradl3s
Thanks for your input. I however, would call Gab's excellent tutorial bare bones and streamlined. Has it been awhile sinse you updated your LD count? If you have found WILD so easy, I assume you must have done a lot of them.
Some may recommend WILDing in slightly uncomfortable position. This may help you stay awake until the right moment, since it's not so comfortable, so you will not fall asleep as fast. But I can't recommend it. There are other things you can do to keep your mind awake. Like WBTB and mantras. But you can try, maybe it will work for you. I never sleep on my back. But I WILD on my back. With 3 pillows, so I'm half sitting. And not in bed, but on my sofa. This is to tell my mind, that I'm doing something special, not just simply going to sleep. It really is up to you, what will make you comfortable enough to fall asleep when time is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by giantsqu1d
It's better to swallow, than to worry about swallowing/not swallowing. While wilding, we are trying to forget about our physical body. And worrying about swallowing, or getting an itch, keeps our attention on our physical body. If you need to swallow, scratch, or make a small adjustment to you position, do it. Without thinking or worrying about it. Same way, as you do it when falling asleep normally.
If you are like the majority of population, you will never feel going into SP. SP starts after we start to dream. Any sensantion you may feel as you falling asleep, is simply noticing our body falling asleep and getting relaxed. We normally don't feel it, because our body falls asleep almost at the same time as our mind. But when we WILD, we are witnessing processes and sensations, that normally happen when our brain is already also half asleep.
Hypnagogic hallucinations, or HH, may or may not happen for you every time when you WILD. And yes, HH can be images, sounds, or sensations. But you may not get any of them, or they may be so subtle, that you won't notice. So don't wait for them. Just know, that anything can happen.
Dream journaling really is one of the best tools we have. Have fun with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicarious
You are right, WILD is not difficult at all. Unless you are not familiar with the basics. Then it's almost impossible to do. While you are right, that you need some prior sleep, WBTB and to fall asleep. You do that every time, you use a restroom at night, or you take a morning nap. Yet, any of those times doesn't result in a LD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradl3s
That's because there is so much more to it. Not in ways of physically doing something, but in ways of thinking, preparing your mind for the experience. In other words, mental preparation. Which includes RC+awareness, mantras, and reading a nice tutorial.
After some experience, people will find out, that you don't really need a tutorial. True. But that's after you have a few dozen WILDs. Because that's when you really understand, what WILDing is all about. There is nothing wrong with using the training wheels (tutorial). Once you understand the process, you can take them off.
And just a small correction to the length of the WBTB you recommend. The length can be different for everybody, and even for the same individual on different nights. It really depends on how you wake up and how long it will take you to wake up just enough. And visualization is not required. If you good at it and it doesn't keep you awake, or it won't make you fall asleep too soon, go for it. But it's ok to start out without it. Later on, you will also realize, that visualization is nothing more than starting to think about something. And it's ok, if you just thinking it and not seeing the images at all. Those will come later, as your dreaming process starts. Or they won't, and you will enter a WILD without the images, some different way.
I'll be trying this tonight! :D
Good luck and Have fun. Remember, every attempt is a good attempt, because it will teach you something, one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudlessSky
Today i wake up at 9.00 AM, and found that as a nice timing to try a WILD. it was my first interesting attempt with WILD, because at some point, i was working my mind, and i was imagining myself roll over the bed, and get out and get in the bed again, just with my mind. i think at some point i start to feel a strage thing that seemed Astral Projection, i dont have 100% sure, because i was feeling heavy HH, and maybe i was just confusing those hypnagogias with Astral projection, but i was almost sure that i was feeling myself levitate and get out of my body...then i was on my Kitchen and knew that clock had something wrong, and did the pinch nose RC, but i just feel so confused between that HH, and the dream forming itself, that i didnt have sure if was doing the pinch nose RC with my physical body too...but i was doing well the RC and i could breath...but i feel a kind lost on the dream, and didnt control the dream once again...but it was a very interesting attempt. sorry for my bad english.
That indeed was a great attempt. I may be wrong, but I believe, you did have a WILD!
You did get out of your body, did RC and it was working.
Many people get out of their bodies same, or very similar way you are describing it. Some call it WILD, some Astral Projection, and some OBE (out of body experience). But no matter what you call it, you did it!
Usually, when you have HH so advanced, that you interact with it, walk around in it... then it probably already is a Lucid Dream. Since dreams may start out as HH.
Now go and do it again :alien: Don't worry about control, that will come. Just observe, take your time, don't rush. Look around you, take in how it feels.
and bang! i did it today! it was very short, but it was the first time that i did the hands RC, and i could see my hands so big and weird, and i could push my thumb and he's get larger and larger! then i decided to walk through walls, but everything start to be dark, and i probably wake up...then i had a dream which i could feeling that it was reaching to the end, and i stomp my feets and try to interage with DC or something...but, yeah, my last LC was in september and it was a DILD. WILD can be so interesting, especially the one i did on the other day, that i was feeling some OBE feelings... and thanks for the support gab! good dreams
Yeeey! Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicarious
I agree 100%, with WILDs and the HH and transitions being very interesting. I looooove them. Wish you many more:alien:
i cant believe, i had more 2 lucids today...its like i can do it now, always that i woke up at 8h00/8h30 o'clock. feels so nice, the night that i read about dream control, and things like choosen a elevator (which appear in my 2 lucid dream ) or trying to change things in mirrors have happen...im excited about my simple way of achieve lucid dreamings everytime i woke up at this hour...i just do a WBTB , like 20/25 minutes in bed, trying to awake my mind and trying to remember dreams, and then just get sitting on the bed, go to the bathroom, and then its just so quickly that i dont have that worry about the frustration of never more fall asleep. It migh be the mental preparation and my relax state. i just wait, and decided when to do the WILD, just be like 5 minutes doing the whole physycal body relaxation thing, and then just get a little bit of mental exercises, until my mind drift away, then i just get into my normal sleeping position, and bang. second time, this week. :D
:breakitdown: Yes you can! Yes you can!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicarious
So last night, I attempted a WILD for the 5th time, but something odd happened. Usually, when you see hypnagogic imagery form in the blackness of your eyelids and they slowly form into dreams in front of your eyes, you feel separated from your real body and have this new dream body that you can now control, correct..?
Well, with my attempt last night, something quite unusual occurred. I did not feel separated or detached from my real body at all, I did not feel numb or heavy, no vibrations or hallucinations, or any of the signs that you're undergoing sleep paralysis. Yet, I could see hypnagogic imagery form in front of me and they were becoming more vivid as time went by. Finally, one stayed and continued to form and become a dream scene. I was standing near my friends at school while we were talking. I took a step forward in my dream, and suddenly felt an impact and pain on my foot and the dream was immediately gone. I was in waking life and my foot had slammed into the fan I keep near my bed. I thought I was still dreaming, so I did a few RCs, expecting them to work, but none did.
I tried the WILD again, but the exact same thing happened. I tried moving in my dream, but that body part did the same thing with my real body and my dream stopped when a part of my body collided with something in real life, when in my dream nothing was in the way. Basically, my body was not undergoing sleep paralysis but my dreams were still taking place. I have not heard about this happening anywhere else, and thought it was quite strange.
I will attempt this again tonight since it's Friday and I have nothing to wake up for tomorrow, but this time I will record pay much more attention to what I'm doing and try to see if there's anything I'm doing wrong. Hopefully there's nothing wrong with me :P
This can be a problem even after many years. You can LD in a state where there is a very very fine line between moving your dream body and your real body. It does not go away, but with practice you can sense when you are at risk for moving your real body. It just will take practice and experience. As far as practical advice, when I sense I am at risk for moving my real body, I float instead of walk. In the dream I can float forward and move objects by imagining the effect I want. That way my real body does not receive any impulses it might react to. Unfortunately you will just need some experience and practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplid
So I guess there's nothing I can do but practice. I tried it again last night and the same problem occurred, but it stopped the second time I attempted it. Thank you for the advice!
I don't know if this is true:
Non-rapid eye movement sleep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Dreaming is rare during NREM sleep, and muscles are not paralyzed as in REM sleep. People who do not go through the sleeping stages properly get stuck in NREM sleep and because muscles are not paralyzed, a person may be able to sleepwalk
But it may explain what you experiencing. And I agree with Sivason. Try to enter LD just by thinking about moving there. That way you will not move your real body. Happy dreams:alien:
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html
I've been having more recent success with WILDing lately with spending less time WBTB. Before I would do 30-45 min, but my hardest problem was falling back asleep. No matter how much I relax and let go during meditation before WILD, I just couldn't "get there." It only worked with I gave up after an hour and rolled to my side to my normal sleeping position and tried to fall asleep normally. Tada, it worked then haha.
So I realized I have to be much more tired or much less mentally focused. When I recite mantras or try to visualize too much, it hasn't worked.
What HAS worked for the me the last two times is not even getting out of bed at all. Simply wake up in the middle of the night, shift around onto my back and let it go. This happened to me about an hour ago, it only took maybe a minute or two for SP to kick in.
I usually feel the detachment from my physical body, I call it OBEs because it literally feels like my sense of self exits my body and is now in the bedroom. But apparently OBEs, astral projection, and lucid dreaming are all the same, no?
Well you have now discovered the most important thing of all, that this is an art and not a science. Every person needs to explore and figure out what works for them. Both ways of doing WBTB can work, but it depends on the individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by mylkhead
Are you sure scratching itchy parts of my body doesn't ruin the process? I've had one successful WILD, my position was hands-on-top-of-head-feet-crossed. The next attempt was really uncomfortable and waste of energy and time. Any tips?>
You should be in comfortable position. You may be in it for a while, so you don't want to get pains or anything from being in uncomfrotable position. Your main goal is to fall asleep, that's another reason for being comfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjlacanlaled
If you don't move, things may go faster. But if an itch or ache will distract you, you may not be able to fall asleep. So best thing to do is to scratch or change position, or swallow. Do it same way, as you do it when going to sleep normally. Without paying any attention to it or worrying about it. Good luck.
It's funny how when we try to fall asleep we can't. We do it every night, no problem. And we're often scratching itches, and moving our legs, and our mind is thinking about whatever it wants. The problem is we usually aren't being aware or conscious of it. Some of my best WILD experiences occured when I stopped trying to WILD and gave up. First I was lying on my back, perfectly still, meditating, aware and conscious, watching my breath, and relaxing every muscle. I ignored any sensation or stimuli and got into a deep trance. My hands were numb and felt like heavy blocks, but I was not in the vibrational state yet. I couldn't get there!Quote:
Originally Posted by gab
After an hour of that, I said, "F*ck it" and gave up. I rolled over and went to sleep, content with not having a WILD that morning. And as I'd drift off, I would suddenly become alert and aware. It was happening! I didn't resist and eventually floated out of my body for some great OBEs and lucid dreams.
Yes, this! The secret I found to going back to sleep in the middle of the night after performing some LD nighttime activities is not to "try to sleep," but simply to drift off with no expectations whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by mylkhead
With WILD though one must maintain a *little teeny tiny* pearl of awareness in there somewhere. The trick is getting it to be there so small that it doesn't stop your drifting off, but that it keeps you aware enough to enter the dream lucid.
Yeah that's an awesome way of putting it. It's a paradox. Like you need to have intent to have a lucid dream, but you can't "try." You have to "show up" and do an early morning WILD attempt or WBTB, but you can't be caught trying to hard or it doesn't happen. I keep hearing you need to let it happen to you, but you have to put in the time to give yourself the opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
It's like meditation, you don't try to meditate. You just be. But there is still the effort in the showing up and resisting of urges, temptations, distractions. That's not easy. Trying not to try. A paradox! I just keep remembering to let go, and be ok with no results. And that this moment is a moment I'm sharing with my higher self no matter what. It's always there for me. The practice is good even if you do no have have an OBE or LD.
Exactly. I happened to me as well, that I got a WILD or OBE just seconds after "giving up". In other words, when I stopped trying hard and wishing for it. Also, just after changing position.
We have to let it happen on it's own. We do our daytime mental preparation, but at night, we should be passive observers. Let our mind surprise us. To me, a WILD/OBE is like a cat. More you call it to come to you, more reluctant it is to come. But show it "I don't care if you don't come to me" attitude, and it just may jump into your lap the moment you stop paying attention to it.
That is what I did and yes you were right. I woke up suddenly and I didn't move..after a minute or so I started to vibrate..got so excited so it failed..but I fell asleep again.
Bingo! Eliminate the "trying to". "Trying to" sleep, "trying to" WILD, "trying to" DEILD, etc., usually results in just a bunch of "trying" and no sleep/dream/WILD. DEILD is probably the clearest example of this: lightly consider a dream, and just drift off, and all of a sudden, there's the dream, waiting for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by gab
This is a great tutorial and lots of information. I have been using a similar method for years to AT or just relax before sleeping. I was never really taught to WILD, I guess I just found my own way some 30 years ago. I am a natural lucid dreamer, but I don't try to interact with my dreams much anymore. I'm kind of amazed with this whole sight and the experiences people share. I have a question, but I'm not sure if many of you would understand.
here goes....I meditate almost every night and at about the 20 minute mark I keep getting hy, now usually I get colors and a sensation of being sucked through a swirling tunnel just before AT. I consider that state as the actual projection then travel comes after for me. My question is at what point should I try to lucid dream instead of projecting?? I hope this makes sense to someone so I can have more active LD and less AP?